Summary
Sen. Cruz alleged federal prosecutors estimate over half of $18 billion across fourteen Minnesota welfare programs since 2018 was lost to fraud.
Kristin Robbins (Chair of the Fraud Prevention Committee, Minnesota House of Representatives) said Walz officials shut down criminal investigations and retaliated against whistleblowers raising fraud alarms.
Sen. Cruz pressed Robert Weissman (Co-President, Public Citizen) on prosecuting complicit officials, and Weissman called accountability essential but prosecution uncommon.
Sen. Whitehouse and Sen. Durbin condemned federal immigration enforcement violence and Trump corruption while Sen. Cruz focused exclusively on Minnesota welfare fraud.
Robbins urged Congress to mandate eligibility documentation, expand audits, enforce one-year repayments, and track outbound cash to prevent further fraud.
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View on Congress.govSenate
Senate Judiciary
Subcommittee on Federal Courts, Oversight, Agency Action, and Federal Rights
1h 41m
Witnesses3
Co-President, Public Citizen
Independent Investigative Journalist
Chair of the Fraud Prevention Committee, Minnesota House of Representatives
Members who spoke9
Transcript
Good afternoon. Hereby call to order this hearing, Somali scammers, fighting fraud in Minnesota and beyond. There are few crimes more morally repugnant than stealing from vulnerable children. Every dollar stolen is a meal not eaten, a doctor's visit missed, and a future diminished. Child welfare fraud plunders our children's potential and erodes our nation's future. And disturbingly, at the start of this new year, America has learned that this kind of looting was not occurring in some distant or lawless place, but in the heart of America's Midwest. Federal prosecutors in Minnesota now estimate that half or more of the eighteen billion dollars spent since twenty eighteen across fourteen Minnesota welfare programs may have been lost to fraud. If confirmed, the amount stolen would rank among the largest welfare frauds in American history. In Minnesota, a welfare system designed to uplift the most vulnerable children was treated like an open ATM, exploiting both taxpayers, and the public trust extended to immigrant communities. Over the last decade, Minnesota Democrats didn't just fail to stop the fraud. They made it easy and profitable, and in a totally lawless fashion, silenced anyone who pointed it out. Taken together, the record shows that the fraud was not accidental or unforeseeable. but was the product of deliberate inaction, willful blindness, and calculated abuse. Today, we will proceed in three parts. First, we will show that Minnesota was clearly warned by journalists, by auditors, and by its own independent oversight bodies, and that the state responded by passing laws and promulgating safeguards intending to stop this abuse. Secondly, we will examine how Minnesota's Democrat leadership deliberately turned a blind eye, failed to enforce those safeguards, and in some cases retaliated against those who tried to sound the alarm. And third, we will explain how the fraud actually took place, the mechanics by which these schemes operated, and the very real harms they inflicted, not only on taxpayers, but on vulnerable children, and on law abiding Somali families whose trusts and identities were exploited. First, Minnesota was warned. Let me be clear about one foundational fact. Minnesota was not caught unaware. Minnesota was warned repeatedly, unmistakably, and years in advance. This fraud did not arrive suddenly. It did not emerge from an unforeseen loophole. And it did not occur without notice. As far back as twenty ten, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel exposed widespread child care fraud across the upper Midwest in a Pulitzer prize-winning investigation that sent a clear warning to regulators, providers, and the child care industry as a whole. Without strong oversight and verification, fraud would flourish. Minnesota was on notice. Nearly a decade later, Those warnings were no longer journalistic. Now they were official. In twenty nineteen, the Minnesota office of the legislative auditor issued a formal report examining Minnesota's child care assistant program, the CCAP. The legislative auditor identified serious deficiencies in oversight, including inadequate attendance verification, weak financial controls, fragmented enforcement, and an over-reliance. on provider self-reporting. The auditor warned plainly that these conditions created a high risk of fraud. Critically, the auditor estimated that approximately one hundred million dollars of child care assistant programs' funds had already been lost to fraud. Minnesota Democrats responded, but not out of vigilance, out of political necessity. The report landed just months after they won their new majority in the state in the twenty eighteen elections. Faced with a damning audit and mounting political pressure, Democrats acted, on paper at least. Following the twenty nineteen report, the legislature amended CCAP statutes and promulgated new enforcement policies designed to close precisely the gaps the auditor had identified. By twenty nineteen, Minnesota had the warnings, the audit findings, and a panoply of legal authorities to detect, stop, suspend, and prosecute fraud. But that brings us to the second part of the story. Democrat leadership ignored the law they had just passed, attacked whistleblowers, and failed to enforce it. Once Minnesota had been warned and once Minnesota Democrats wrote the solution into law, the duty was enforce the law. Instead, they treated legislation as a press release, not a mandate, providing political cover while allowing the money to keep floating. Federal audits later confirmed what internal staff had warned all along. Minnesota failed to verify attendance, failed to use its suspension authority, and failed to intervene early when red flags appeared. What's worth ra- what's worse, rather than go after the fraudsters, the state went after the whistleblowers. On January thirty-first, twenty twenty-six, the Minnesota Star Tribune reported that staff at the Minnesota Department of Human Services repeatedly flagged fraud risks and lax lax safeguards, only to have those concerns ignored, dismissed, or met with retaliation. According to that reporting, current and former DHS employees sent an anonymous letter to the US House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, describing serious and systemic failures dating back to at least twenty nineteen. Employees reported being reassigned, called racist and xenophobic, sidelined, excluded from key discussions, and in some cases subjected to what they described as threats or workplace surveillance after raising red flags. Minnesota's Democrat leaders did not reward integrity. Instead, they punished it. When bipartisan legislation was introduced to establish an independent Inspector General Minnesota Democrats blocked it. The Democrat House Speaker at the time explained why. An Inspector General quote, " is not part of the budget framework," citing an eighteen million dollar cost over four years. As billions were being pilfered by fraud, and as whistleblowers were being silenced and punished, Minnesota Democrats had the gall to say that an inspector general costing only four point five million a year was too expensive. That wasn't fiscal prudence, that was a choice. It was willful blindness. The programs move billions of dollars each year and they're concentrated within a relatively small number of administrative pipelines. Minnesota's Somali community receives welfare benefits at rates far higher than the state average, making these programs both financially significant and politically sensitive. In a state where the two closest statewide elections were decided by less than one percent, the Somali community votes overwhelmingly Democrat. The numbers are stark. Eighty-one percent of Somali households in Minnesota receive some form of welfare, eighty-one percent, compared to twenty-one percent of non-Somali households. Fifty-four percent of Somali households receive food stamps, compared to seven percent of non-Somali households. Seventy-three percent are enrolled in Medicaid, compared to eighteen percent of non-Somali households. And twenty-seven percent receive cash assistance, compared to six percent. of non-Somali households. In December twenty twenty five, Minneapolis resident, resident David Hoek, who is here today, accompanied by journalist Nick Shirley visited child care centers, autism clinics and health care facilities across Minneapolis. They went on a Tuesday. Not a Saturday, not a holiday, not in the middle of the night. Tuesday during the day, what they found? Blacked out windows. Misspelled or non-existent signage, I will say we will always remember the leering center that promoted good leering. Multiple quote providers registered to the same address and no kids present. It's amazing having child care centers and autism centers with no kids. And by the way, it's not subtle. You walk up, there's no toys, there's no kids, and the windows are blacked out. This is not hidden. It is obvious, except for the Democrats that didn't wanna see it. Had the state done its job, had it sent inspectors instead of press releases, that fraud would have been obvious. To understand just how calculated this fraud became, consider the most disturbing example of all. In September twenty twenty five, federal prosecutors charged Asha Farhan Hassan for orchestrating a fourteen million dollar fraud scheme against Minnesota's EIDBI autism program. The program exists to provide medically necessary early and intensive care to children with autism. Fraudsters turned it into a profit engine. According to the charges, Hassan and her partners recruited children from the Somali community, paid parents cash kickbacks, used unqualified individuals as quote unquote therapists and build Medicaid for services never provided or grossly inflated. Where a child did not already have an autism diagnosis, the scheme allegedly worked to obtain one. In other words, there was no child they could not qualify because the diagnosis itself became the means to an end. According to the Univer- University of Minnesota, one in twelve eight year old Somali children in Minnesota was diagnosed with autism. compared with one in twenty-eight non-Somali children statewide. In Minnesota, Somali children are seven times more likely than their non-Somali peers to receive autism quote-unquote treatment. These figures show extraordinary concentration and extraordinary billing, the precise conditions fraudsters ex exploit. And here's the deepest human cost. Telling an immigrant child that he has autism, not because he does, but because someone wants to get paid. Imagine the weight of that diagnosis on parents who may not speak English fluently, who trust authority, who believe the government would never lie about their child's health. That label can follow a child for life, shaping education, self-image and opportunity. Doing that for financial enrichment is not merely fraud, it is the deliberate exploitation of children and the calculated betrayal of parents. And once fraud proceeds are laundered and sent overseas, in twenty twenty three, the Somali diaspora sent nearly two billion dollars back to Somalia. Once they're sent overseas, they're effectively unrecoverable. Meanwhile, Al Shabaab, the US-designated foreign terrorist organization and Al-Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia controls large swaths of territory and systematically extorts money moving through its financial channels. When billions of dollars are stolen from US welfare programs and sent abroad, there is no credible way to ensure those funds do not enrich jihadists within Al Shabaab. As one confidential source told the Manhattan Institute, the largest funder of Al Shabaab, a Islamist terrorist organization in Somalia, is the Minnesota taxpayer. Listen to that again. The single largest funder of Al Shabaab, a terrorist organization in Somalia is the taxpayers of Minnesota. Taken together, the evidence before this committee leads to one unavoidable conclusion. Minnesota was warned. Minnesota's Democrat leadership failed to enforce the laws it passed. And that failure allowed organized fraud to flourish, harming children, betraying families, and robbing the public of trust and resources. This hearing is necessary because Minnesota's elected Democrats were complicit in this fraud. They stood to benefit politically from looking the other way as fraudsters robbed the taxpayers of Minnesota. Look at the bench of witnesses. To this hearing, I invited Governor Tim Walz. He's not here. I invited Attorney General Ellison. He's not here. I invited Mayor Frey. And Tiki Brown, the Commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Children, Youth and Families. Not one of them agreed to testify and defend his or her conduct. They are hiding out after having served as the lookout in a bank robbery that was robbing the taxpayers of Minnesota. The people of Minnesota and the American people deserve better. And not a one of these Democrats has given any credible excuse why they're terrified to answer questions. Now recognize the ranking member.
What a strange thing it is to have a hearing about Minnesota that doesn't address what's on the front pages of every newspaper about Minnesota. The violent and unwelcome federal occupation of its largest city by the chairman's political party, an occupation that has already caused the deaths at federal agents' hands of two American citizens and left many more injured and that is roundly criticized by law enforcement leaders, including those in Texas, as unprofessional and dangerous. That may explain why elected officials in Minnesota have something better to do today. No mention today of one hundred violations by agents there of federal court orders. No mention of the sacking of the vain little commander of that operation. No mention of the venomous lies told by Secretary Noem
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about the shooting victims without investigation or sympathy as their bereaved families grappled with grief at their deaths. I've done law enforcement briefings and rule one is to tell the truth. What a strange thing it is to have a hearing about fraud in Minnesota that doesn't acknowledge that the wide-ranging investigation and prosecutions of nine billion dollars worth of fraud in that state began years ago under the Biden administration. No mention of the fact that the current administration drove out the career prosecutor leading those cases. When it demanded he investigate the victim of an ICE shooting, not the agent who did the shooting. Fourteen prosecutors have left the Minnesota U. S. Attorney's office in the past month. And what a strange thing it is to have a hearing about fraud that doesn't look at the colossal fraud perpetrated by this administration. Starting with the president's own conviction of thirty-four felony fraud counts. The dismissal of inspectors general who watch out for fraud. The destruction of the Justice Department components that prevent and prosecute Corruption. The self-serving billion-dollar crypto-deals that line the pockets of the president and his family. The pay-to-play presidential pardons that strip fraud victims of their restitution. The disabling of consumer protection offices and regulators that defend the public against fraud. It is a carnival of fraud and self-dealing. On top of all this, the biggest fraud ever perpetrated in America is going on right now, facilitated and accelerated by the Trump administration and implemented through a massive semi-covert climate denial fraud operation and a twinned massive, semi-covert, dark money political corruption operation. This fraud costs Americans hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Seven hundred and seventy billion dollars annually. According to the International Monetary Fund. Eight hundred and twenty billion dollars annually in health care costs, from another report. Climate-related disasters cost the United States one hundred and fifteen billion dollars last year. How was this fraud done? This long-running fraud operation began when oil industry scientists reported to their bosses the dangers of fossil fuel pollution, and instead of responsible stewardship, the bosses hid the reports. That was stage one. Stage two moved from hiding to purposefully misleading. A federal court shut down Big Tobacco's fraud operation to mislead the public about the dangers of tobacco That tobacco fraud operation was quickly repurposed by big oil into its own fraud operation to mislead the public about the dangers of its product. Stage three kicked off with Citizens United, which gave the fossil fuel industry the ability to spend unlimited amounts of political money and spend it secretly. This dark money political corruption operation swiftly strangled bipartisanship on climate. Before stage three, there were multiple bipartisan climate bills in the Senate, and John McCain ran for president on a legitimate climate platform. All of that was killed by fossil fuel dark money. dangerous stage where the corruption is so entrenched that the fossil fuel industry can infiltrate and weaponize the federal government as its own industry tool to defeat energy competitors whose product is cleaner, safer, and cheaper. But no Republican dares talk about that problem any longer. Such is the party's dependence on those big fossil fuel donors. President Trump asked the fossil fuel companies for a one billion dollar campaign slush fund in twenty twenty four and they expect and got a return on their investment. Quid pro quo. The lies and fraud are legion, but to use just one Rhode Island-based example, senior cabinet officials continually assert that offshore wind is unaffordable, when the opposite is true. Anyone reading the contract can see that Revolution Wind will bring nine point nine cent kilowatt hours to an eighteen cent kilowatt hour grid. The administration's weaponized attacks, rejected as pretextual, went zero for five in federal court, including before a Trump appointee. Instead of focusing on this massive fraud, or holding the administration accountable for the monumental levels of fraud and corruption in its own ranks, a Texas chairman holds a hearing on fraud in Minnesota, which is neither the biggest issue in Minnesota, nor the biggest example of fraud. There's a biblical saying about the mote. in another's eye and the beam in your own from the Sermon on the Mount. "Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own?" asked Jesus. I will leave it at that.
I wanna commend my Democrat colleagues for giving an ode to Homer Simpson. When something is distracting, scream, scream, squirrel! Because we saw a speech about global warming. We saw a speech about orange man bad. We saw a speech about how today's Democrat party exists seemingly exclusively to defend violent criminal illegal aliens and to demonize law enforcement. And yet miraculously, in that enormous word cloud, virtually nothing about nine billion dollars stolen from Minnesota taxpayers by Somali fraudsters with Democrat politicians knowing full well what is happening, facilitating it, and harvesting votes and campaign dollars from the people robbing the children of Minnesota. My Democrat colleagues want you desperately not to focus on those facts. And so instead, miraculously, the Democrats have discovered the Sermon on the Mount. Well, this hearing is going to focus on nine billion dollars stolen from the taxpayers and hundreds of millions of those dollars going to the Al-Shabaab terrorist organization funded by the Democrats. As much As my colleagues on that side of the aisle don't wanna talk about it. With that, I recognize the chairman of the full committee, Chairman Grassley.
Senator Cruz, thank you for chairing this important subcommittee hearing. And uh, I wanna point out an association with your emphasis in your remarks about the importance of whistleblowers and uh uh inspectors generals uh rooting out uh and exposing uh fraud. Uh I'll speak about that a little bit, but uh not as strongly as you have, and I wanna say that I appreciate your bringing that up. Uh during my time in the Senate, I've exposed waste, fraud and abuse within many government programs. At the end of last year, the American people loaned learned of shocking and sophisticated fraud schemes in Minnesota. Billions of taxpayers' dollars may have been lost. to crime. What happened in Minnesota is as bad as it gets. These fraud schemes have targeted federal programs designed to help children with autism, the elderly, and small businesses. It's deplorable that fraudsters would target programs designed to help Americans struggling to take care of their children and their families. It's also deplorable that the Walz administration allegedly retaliated against whistleblowers who tried to expose this fraud. If true, such retaliation should not go unpunished. In large scale fraud schemes like these, whistleblowers are public's greatest asset and allies. Congress, federal agencies and state agencies must protect whistleblowers. And the executive branch must hold criminals fully accountable to the law. That's why in January I wrote to nearly ten agencies, including the Department of Justice and the FBI, regarding the allegations. This is all about accountability. I wanna know what the government's doing to solve these problems, hold wrongdoers accountable, and take steps to ensure this never happens again. Director Patel announced in December twenty twenty five that the FBI deployed personnel and investigative resources to Minnesota. Attorney General Bondi has ordered additional Department of Justice prosecutors to Minnesota. And on January the eighth, the Trump administration announced the creation of a new division for national fraud enforcement within the Department of Justice. This new division will focus on rooting out fraud across the federal government and it'll be led by a new assistant attorney general. The treasury department's introduced uh additional reporting requirement for banks and other financial institutions in Minnesota. These new requirements are designed to alert regulators to suspicious overseas transfer of cash. Regarding these financial oversight efforts, Secretary Bessette uh recently stated quote, Minnesota is going to be the genesis of a national rollout. A national approach is needed now more than ever. The Department of Education has also reportedly begun creating a dedicated fraud detection scheme and has already prevented one billion dollars in student aid fraud. since January, twenty twenty five. I expect the administration to provide the committee with updates regarding these efforts. However, the as the title of this hearing suggests, allegations of fraud have extended beyond Minnesota to other states. Fraudsters are operating uh on a national scale, affecting federal programs from Medicaid to student aid and beyond. The federal government and state governments whether Republican or Democrat, are in charge, must always respect the taxpayers and their monies. The same is true of the Inspector General community. Federal and state agencies across the country must work together to get to the bottom of these sophisticated fraud schemes. This should not be a partisan issue. Senator Cruz, thank you again for holding this area.
Thank you, Mister Chairman, I now recognize the ranking member of the full committee.
Thank you, Mister Chairman. This is the subcommittee's second hearing this year. Last month we had to listen to my Republican colleagues push for the impeachment of federal judges who had the nerve to rule against the Trump administration. Today's hearing marks another low. In the last month, federal agents shot and killed two of our fellow Americans in Minnesota. Bystanders and journalists have documented numerous abuses of constitutional rights by federal agents in Minneapolis, including warrantless arrest, use of excessive force, racial profiling, surveillance of protesters, and the detention of US citizens and children. This abuse of power and much needed oversight of the Trump administration should be the focus of this subcommittee, because of the individuals involved in what they have done. Somewhere along the way, many of my Republican colleagues decided they could tolerate the scenes of agents shooting innocent American citizens. But the timely topic to them is fraud by one immigrant group in that same state. As part of their need, ongoing need to carry water for the president, they have chosen to embrace his bigoted, attacks on Somali immigrants, whom he has called garbage. The shameful title of today's hearing reflects that same approach. I want to be clear. Fraud is a crime and it should be prosecuted accordingly. In fact, it was the Biden Justice Department that opened the Minnesota fraud investigation and brought the first prosecution. And it is the Trump Justice Department that has diverted prot- prosecutors and FBI agents away from fraud investigations to focus on the president's mass deportation campaign and his effort to establish some sort of retribution for his political enemies. According to the Cato Inst Institute, a conservative operation, American citizens accounted for ninety five percent of federal welfare fraud losses from twenty thirteen to twenty twenty four. American citizens. So to suggest that the Somali community is disproportionately responsible for fraud is just not supported by the facts even from the Cato Institute. If we're serious about fighting fraud, let's talk about a president who has more than doubled his net worth since his return to office. Blind trust as an a possibility have been replaced by eyes wide open money grab. Let's talk about senior administration officials. who have misused government resources and taxpayers' dollars for personal purposes in travel. Let's talk about fraudsters who have made huge contributions to the president and been rewarded with pardons. Business executives who have committed Medicare fraud, securities fraud, wire fraud, crypto fraud, tax fraud. If we're worried about people breaking the law in Minnesota, our focus should be on the Trump administration's Department of Homeland Security. Last week The chief federal district judge in Minnesota, a Republican appointee, noted that ICE violated ninety-six court orders in Minnesota in January alone, likely more than some federal agents have violated in their entire existence. But Minnesota is not the only place suffering from this cruelty of this administration. For months the administration has targeted my home state of Illinois as part of reckless attacks they claim are law enforcement operations. In reality, they are not enforcing the law. They are breaking it with their racial profiling, detentions, threats and use of excessive force. Last month the administration expanded its attacks by trying to freeze billions of dollars in essential funding for children and families in five democratic-led states. Illinois was targeted along with Minnesota, New York, California and Colorado. Political retribution at the expense of children. The administration provided no support for their allegations that these states were improperly awarding benefits. But the explanation is obvious. This is another act of political retribution by the Trump administration. This hearing is an affront to the people of Minnesota and the memories of those who lost their lives at the hands of immigration officers. The real fraud we should be focused uh focused on is the one perpetrated by this president and his acolytes, IU.
Thank you. I will now uh introduce the witnesses. The first witness we have is the Honorable Kristen Robbins, a native of Crookston, Minnesota. Kristen Robbins currently sh- serves as the chair of the Fraud Prevention Committee in the Minnesota House of Representatives, where she works to uncover the large scale fraud in Minnesota and to hold state agencies and fraudsters accountable. Representative Robbins is also co-chair of the bipartisan bicameral Civility Caucus. which aims to build relationships and trust across parties and between the House and Senate. Prior to joining the House in twenty eighteen, Representative Robbins co-founded and served as the executive director of the Economic Club of Minnesota, a nonprofit focused on strengthening Minnesota's economic competitiveness and previously served on the State Commission to end chronic homelessness. She received her bachelor's degree in economics and political science from Bethel University, and her master's degree in economics from Washington University. Our second witness is Robert Weissman, who is the pres- co-president of Public Citizen, the consumer advocacy and pro-democracy organization. Weissman focuses on government and corporate accountability, among other issues. He is the author of The Corporate Sabotage of America's Future and the co-author of two other books. Previously, he worked as director of the corporate accountability organization, Essential Action, and as editor of the Multinational Monitor, a magazine that tracks uh multinational corporation. Weissman is a graduate of Harvard College and the Harvard Law School, uh a a fact uh for which I hope we can forgive him.
Mm.
Uh our final witness is David Hoek. Uh David Hoek is most well known for his role as the Minneapolis whistleblower in YouTuber Nick Shirley's video uncovering massive fraud within Minnesota. Mr. Hoek was born and raised in Minnesota, where he attended the University of Minnesota and ran for Attorney General in twenty ten. As an investigator, he has devoted considerable time and resources over the last several decades to scrutinizing Minnesota's elected official and exposing corruption. He is, he co-founded Minnesotans for Responsible Government, where he serves as a lobbyist. And we'll start now. Representative Robbins, you're recognized.
Thank you, Mister Chair. Thank you for inviting me to testify as chair of the Fraud Prevention and Oversight Committee in the house. I have been working tirelessly over the past year to expose the massive fraud that Tim Walz and his administration has enabled. We've also proposed solutions and worked to hold state agencies and criminals accountable. We have a long way to go, but we are getting results. With my brief remarks, I want to highlight three things. how this started, where the money is going, and provide a road map for how states can prevent fraud and we can partner better with the federal government. First, how it started. The original fraud scandal was tied to the Child Care Assistance Program, or CCAP, which is a federal program for low income families with children. There have been allegations of fraud in this program since twenty eleven. By twenty fourteen and fifteen there were raids, charges and convictions of child care providers for billing non-existent or absent children. with fraud exceeding a million dollars in some cases. In March and April of twenty nineteen, just a few months into the Wall's administration, the legislative office uh auditor published two reports about the sea cap fraud. They outlined the fraudulent providers and the alleged movement of millions of dollars in cash out of our state, to Somalia, with allegations that the money was going to fund terrorism. Unfortunately, according to multiple whistleblowers, soon after these reports were released, the Criminal Investigation Unit for child care fraud, which had been leading the charge on these prosecutions, was shut down by the Department of Human Services. Rather than conducting criminal investigations of fraud, the Walz administration essentially renamed fraud as " overpayment" and then referred any overpayment cases to a new internal overpayment committee, which would decide if they should pursue reimbursement. The DHS staff in this unit were no longer allowed to talk to their counterparts in the criminal apprehension without prior supervisor approval. Failure to address child care fraud and the decision to stop criminal investigations led directly to the largest COVID fraud scandal in the nation. In March of twenty twenty, Representative Ilhan Omar authored a bill called the Meals Act, which eventually was incorporated into a larger COVID package. This law enabled stated states to waive the normal eligibility requirements for t- participating in the national school lunch program. eliminating income requirements, site inspections, and expanded distribution methods. Minnesota took full advantage of these waivers and enabled site sponsors, like Feeding Our Future, Partners in Quality Care, and Gar-Gar Family Services to bill for hundreds of millions of fake meals for fake children. Just one of these groups, Feeding Our Future, became the largest COVID fraud in state and national history, bilking taxpayers of at least two hundred and fifty million dollars. To date, there have been seventy-eight indictments and sixty-one in the Feeding Our Future scandal, with more cases to go on trial this spring. The Feeding Our Future prosecutions prosecutions then revealed that as many as half of those defendants were also getting state money in other Medicaid funded programs. Yet despite reports on this, back in twenty twenty-three, more than three years ago, Tim Walz and his agencies didn't stop those defendants from getting additional state money in other Medicaid programs. We now have found fraud in Medicaid programs including autism centers, sober homes, non-emergency medical transportation, integrated community supports, and housing stabilization services. In December, our committee held a hearing on credible allegations of fraud in two new areas, adult day services and assisted living facilities. We now have seen allegations of fraud in fourteen Medicaid programs. The former first US attorney who led these prosecutions for years stated that the estimated fraud is nine billion dollars. And this doesn't count fraud in SNAP or child care programs. So where's the monis- m- money going? Minnesotans pay their taxes and they expect their money to go to things that help their communities. Roads, schools, health care, and not to be taken by criminals. To buy resorts in Kenya, apartments in Nairobi, property in Turkey, or luxury homes and cars in the US. Worse yet, Minnesota taxpayers have allegedly found their ways into the hands of terrorist organizations like Al Shabaab, both directly and directly. The money is walking out the door at the Minnesota, Minneapolis, St. Paul airport. Back in twenty seventeen, the estimate was about a hundred million dollars in cash was going out annually from our airport. According to TSA, in twenty twenty four, there were three hundred and forty million dollars in cash outbound. And in twenty twenty five, it was three hundred and fifty million. This is astonishing, not only because of the amount, but because of the, it is so out of proportion to other airports. The cash out of Minneapolis is ninety-nine percent higher than cash going out of Dallas, Atlanta, and JFK in New York. It's ninety percent higher than what's going out of Seattle. Minnesotans are incredibly frustrated that their hard-earning h- hard-earned money is being siphoned off by criminals while their taxes keep going up and vulnerable citizens don't get the services they need. Other states should learn from our failures. There are some basic common sense principles to stop the fraud. First, culture matters. Fraud flourishes when leaders ignore it and criminals see they can get away with it. Tim Walz has not held anyone responsible. Second, fraud flourishes when basic internal controls are not followed. This is not complicated. Third, truth matters. We cannot be cowed by charges of racism or Islamophobia, which have been successfully weaponized to limit scrutiny and fraud in Minnesota for years. This is not ancient history. It is still happening. When I testified before the House Oversight Committee on January seventh, I was stunned to be called a racist six times in that hearing. This is the same playbook that has been used to protect Minnesota criminals for years. Any time a whistleblower or legislator raised questions about Somali fraud in daycares, nutrition centers, autism centers, they were called a racist or said that charges of racism would ruin their careers. So where do we go from here? State and federal partners work together. We need your help to have more audits of these programs and to enforce current laws that require states to pay back in one year if they have been found fraud or overpayment. We also need the federal government to require documentation, not just attestation, for eligibility in these programs. We also need more resources at the US Attorney's Office than CMS to help with investigations. And finally, the federal government should have greater power of oversight and investigation of cash going out of our country. I'm thankful for the brave whistleblowers, journalists, and the federal and state partners in this committee for helping us um identify fraud. We cannot allow this to continue. The time for accountability and justice is now.
Miss Weissman.
Thank you, Senator Graham and members of the committee. Fraud and scams are indeed a scourge in America, across this country, not limited to Minnesota. Taxpayers are cheated when fraud is done against government programs. Beneficiaries are harmed as well. Fraud and the private sector steals billions from consumers and in extreme cases, drains families of life savings and sends them in to a cycle of misery. Unfortunately, the reality is the Trump administration is systematically dismantling the anti-fraud programs of the federal government. Those programs aim to deter fraud, punish wrongdoers, and bring restitution to victims. The administration is undermining all of that. It is fair, it is fair to say, in fact, that through its actions, the administration is fostering more fraud, facilitating more scams, empowering corporate and small-time fraudsters alike and depriving victims of the justice to which they are entitled. As regards Minnesota, there plainly is some fraud that has gone on, as there is throughout this country. Where there is fraud, it should be investigated and prosecuted. No one wants tougher enforcement more than legitimate providers and the beneficiaries of the programs that are being defrauded. That said, it is unhelpful to make claims about fraud in Minnesota or anywhere else, based on exaggerated numbers or shaky evidence. And in the case of Minnesota, it's worth pointing out that the efforts by the U. S. Attorney are being undermined by this administration driving out the people who are engaged in the prosecution of the fraud in Minnesota, and by diverting the FBI from its work on fraud to immigration enforcement. Moreover, there is no justification for suspending social service programs, vital service social service programs, as we all agree, as punishment for fraud. That punishes innocent people and leaves the fraudsters alone. Nor obviously is there any rationale for pursuing suspension of programs on a partisan basis. Now the subtitle of this hearing is Dealing with Fraud in Minnesota and Beyond. I wanted to pull back and talk for a few moments about the beyond. To be clear, the actions of this administration are undermining governmental, anti-fraud, and accountability agencies. When it comes to corporate fraud or scams perpetrated by those close to the administration, The policy is to ignore, forgive, or coddle the wrongdoers if they're actually caught. Moreover, the president and his top aides are shattering norms of conflict of interest, and basic ethical standards, creating a culture of impunity that for sure is encouraging more fraud against the government and around the country. This is not an administration that is determined to root out fraud. In short, for the super-rich and for the super-connected, This is an administration that is taking the anti-fraud cops off the beat. And for those who manage to get caught anyway, they give them, and they were doling out, get out of jail free cards. Let me explain the evidence behind this. When it comes to the Department of Justice, this administration has gutted or disbanded the public integrity section, the consumer protection portion branch of the agency. It has fired the agency's top ethics advisor. It has issued guidance to soften corporate crime enforcement. The president has pursued his pardon power in strange service of fraudsters, leaving aside the January sixth pardon, more than one third of all of the president's pardons have gone to those who perpetrated fraud or similar kinds of crimes. Those pardons have led to the cancellation of one point five billion dollars in fines and restitution owed including more than a billion dollars owed to victims of fraud and wrongdoing. The pardons themselves have re-victimized the victims. The president has eviscerated the system of inspectors general that the uh that the chairman was referencing earlier and what and and for whom has done so much to advance that IG system. Not only did he fire seventeen IGs at the start of his administration, he is responsible for firing two thirds of presidentially appointed inspectors general. Three quarters of the inspector general top offices were empty. As of October, we've looked at the staffing inside the IG's offices, drastic cuts across the board. The president had shuttered the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau illegally in our estimation, the closing down the most important anti-fraud agency in their federal government. He has slashed staffing at the Internal Revenue Service by more than a quarter, guaranteeing an increase in tax fraud, avoidance, and cheating primarily by the super-rich and costing taxpayers approximately two hundred billion dollars over the next ten years according to Yale University analysts. He has canceled enforcement against large corporations, more than a hundred and fifty separate times that we've been able to document in the first year of the administration. He is engaged in rampant conflicts of interest, including most startlingly a joint venture with the UAE affiliated company as reported by the Wall Street Journal this past weekend, compromising our foreign policy, destroying basic ethics standards, and inviting more fraud and wrongdoing by others around the country. He has destroyed the East Wing of the White House and then solicited funds from corporations and the super-rich to pay for his ballroom. Our effort, our investigations found that two thirds of those corporations contributing had government contracts, more than two hundred billion dollars in contracts over the previous three years. This committee is absolutely right to focus on fraud. Senator Cruz is absolutely right to bring his righteous anger against fraud. But that fraud is not limited to Minnesota. That is small potatoes compared to what this administration is perpetrating. This, I encourage this committee to focus on that fraud, to pursue the reversal of the policies that I've identified and serve the American people who absolutely, on a unified basis, want to counter fraud and wrongdoing in the government and in the private sector.
Miss Troek.
Thank you, sir. Good day. Uh, my name is David Hoek. I was born in Minneapolis. I'm a lifelong resident of Twin Cities area. And, although it's not in my testimony, I take exception to Mister Weissman's questioning of my data as being inaccurate. I'll get back to that. My journey into uncovering fraud in Minnesota, and ultimately throughout the entire United States as it turns out, began when I started to notice very unusual changes in the Minneapolis area. Remember, I grew up there, so I know Minneapolis very well. Most notably, the enormous number of child care facilities that had opened up. I would drive around the Twin Cities and it seemed these child care facilities were literally on every block. Some blocks had two or three child care facilities on the same block. Minnesota sees a fair amount of snow in the winter, and I began to notice, driving by these child care facilities, there were never any footprints in the snow outside these child care facilities. And I'd go by them three, four, five times a day, Monday through Friday, cuz my office is in the heart of where a lot of these child care facilities are. So I said, well, w- w- what's going on here with all these child care facilities? So I began to check the Minnesota Secretary of State's website to find out just who owned all Every single one of them was Somali owned. Not every child care facility in Minnesota was, but the ones that I was looking at that were by my office, and there were a lot of them. What's even stranger is that every one of these facilities is located in a commercial or industrial building. No play areas, bad neighborhoods, and several of the child care facilities had signage which stated they were open either seven AM to ten PM two PM to ten PM, quality learning centers, for example. or open twenty-four hours. Who the heck brings their kid to stay overnight at a child care facility in a rough neighborhood? None of it made any sense. The leering misspelling was the final straw for me. That's the spark that ignited my full-on investigation. So Minnesota has two different child care licenses available. One covers six AM to six PM, and the other one covers six PM to six AM. They're two very different licenses. So for a child care facility to be open twenty-four hours a day, or even from two p m to ten p m, they need both licenses. How many of these facilities that are open these extended hours have two licenses? None of them. Zero. They all have only one license. Minnesota child care supervision requirements include the following. For infant care that's zero to seventeen months of age, you have to have one adult supervising for every four children. And max eight in a group. For toddlers, which is eighteen and twenty-three months of age, it requires one adult for every five children to supervise. Max ten children in that group. For two year olds, you need one adult for every seven children. So, max of fourteen in a group. So, if a child care facility was building the state of Minnesota for ninety-nine children, IE, Quality Learning Center, that child care facility would need to have at least eight employees supervising those children. These cannot be ten ninety-nine employees. They have to be W two employees. That means we're gonna have at least eight W twos, and we're gonna have at least eight I nines. So, if the feds went in and checked that, what do you think they're gonna find? You already know the answer. One issue that is often brought up is that we are unfairly targeting the Somali community. This is a fair point to be made. As one Somali gentleman exclaimed in our second video, we're not the only community that does fraud. Fraud certainly exists in every community. It was the sheer volume and the blatant nature of the Somali fraud that demanded my attention. When one facility, Mako Child Care, has another child care, mini child care registered at the same address, but the sign still says Mako Child Care, it kind of stands out. And again, no children, no footprints in the snow, ever. This is what I mean by being blatant. Misspelled signage, posted hours that require two licenses, no child footprints in the snow, not even once. So how did we arrive at this point? Why are we having this hearing? We got here because of politicians, almost exclusively Democrats. A couple of names come to mind. Jody Harbstead, the former Commissioner of the Department of Human Services. And Shireen Gandhi, the current Commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Human Services. Harbstead put the whole fraud on steroids. She was steering the ship from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty five, during the COVID-nineteen pandemic. This is when the whole fraud network exploded into what we see nationally today and to what we see in my numbers which are accurate. So, now we hear that Minnesota Department of Human Service is forging documents and back dating paperwork all in an effort to cover up their complicity in this fraud this is just more criminal behavior from the gang Minnesota Department of Human Services, it's criminal behavior. Minneapolis was the incubator for this nationwide fraud, which we're now seeing in Maine, we're seeing it in Washington State, we're seeing it in Columbus, Ohio. It was constructed here in Minneapolis. And the idea behind it was if you can get a population in here and fit them into this fraud framework, you have a guaranteed voting block for all eternity. The fraud was started and then it expanded out, and now you see it all around the country. So why is fraud bad? Why is it a bad thing? Why does anybody care? Fraud is bad because it steals from the blind, it steals from kids with cancer, it steals from disabled, it steals from the homeless, it steals from wounded veterans, it steals from everybody in this room. So, what is the answer? How do we fix this? The way we fix this is that the federal government has to go to the Minnesota Department of Human Services and every social service agency and say, look, If you issue a payment using federal money and it goes to a fraudulent company, you run the risk of us coming in, arresting you, handcuffing you, parading you out, bringing you in front of a judge, and putting you in prison. So if you're gonna issue a payment, you better make sure that it's a legitimate company. Otherwise, don't issue the payment. Go on Google Earth. Look at, it's a liquor store. It's a grocery store. Why are you issuing payment to a child care or a transportation company That doesn't even exist. Why are you issuing a payment? It's criminal behavior. The federal government has to has to use that cudgel over these people and say, look, you better be sure if you issue that payment that it's legitimate payment, or you could end up in prison. Thank you.
Thank you. Uh Before we move to questioning, I wanna ask if each of the witnesses could rise so that I can admit administer the oath. If you would raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony that you're about to give before this subcommittee is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God.
I do.
All of you have answered affirmatively. You can have a seat. And I hope your opening statements were truthful. I should have done that before before your opening statements, but I I guess we'll have to take your word for it. Um Representative Robbins, let's let's start with you. How broad was the fraud that was perpetrated in Minnesota?
We are still getting a handle on it, um, but it's all of the ch- not all of, but a huge segment of the child care programs, um, autism services, sober homes, emergency transportation, uh, uh, fourteen areas of Medicaid fraud, SNAP, benefits. Um, we are still, I would say, getting whistleblower reports, uncovering new vectors of fraud. Um, we just discovered the adult day services and the assisted living. Those haven't been counted in the total so far. So, I, I believe it's much broader than we currently know, and we will continue to, to expose it.
Is there any chance the elected Democrats in charge of the state were unaware of the fraud?
No. There have been credible whistleblower allegations, press reports, and Office of Legislative Auditor reports for many years.
Mr. Hoek, I want to thank you for your citizen journalism and your hard work, uh, pressing for accountability here. Um, I will say I watched, uh, the the video that you did, uh, with rapt attention. It was profoundly effective. It was also, by the way, an indictment of all of the so-called journalists, uh, on the national level because none of them could be bothered to actually go and investigate. I wanna ask you the same questions I asked Representative Robbins. Number one, how broad do you believe the evidence shows the fraud in Minnesota was?
It's easily in excess of thirty billion dollars when you take everything into account. You've got all of these NGOs, you've got nonprofits, you've got county money, you've got city money. You've got CCAP money, you've got another thing called Great Start. So there are all these piles of money that factor into the fraud. I don't know that anybody can ever determine an exact number, but I kept telling the US attorney when he came out, he said, you gotta get your number up, you gotta get your number up, and he did. He kept ratcheting up the number, ratcheting up the number, and I kept saying, you gotta be at least at thirty billion dollars. So going back to whether Governor Walz knew about it, Governor Walz admitted, knowing about the fraud, early in his first term, Say twenty twenty. Well, Minnesota statute three point nine seven one, subdivision nine clearly says that if you are made aware of fraud in a state agency, you are obligated to re- immediately report that fraud to the office of the legislative auditor. Immediately. The legislative auditor is then the body that determines which law enforcement agency to bring into the investigation. Governor Walz did not contact the office of the legislative auditor, he say he contacted the FBI. About what? That's not what the law says.
How many organizations receiving taxpayer funds did you visit in total?
How many?
How many organizations or ostensible organizations?
Companies?
Yeah.
Uh, two hundred.
Um, of the child care centers you visited, how many kids did you see?
The only place that I saw children was at KinderCare and New Horizons, which are in my opinion legitimate, they're large scale, they have play areas, um, and they also receive C cap money, but they're the only places that I saw where there were children present, ever, at any of them.
How about the autism centers, did you see children, did you see patients there?
Never.
Um.
So that's not to say there weren't any, but there were never there, there were never any there, when I was there there were never any footprints in the snow, same thing.
Uh, Mister Weissman, uh, you're co-president of Public Citizen, which describes itself as a consumer advocate and a pro-democracy organization. Would you agree that the fraud in Minnesota was staggering and shocking?
I agree that there is fraud in Minnesota. I don't believe these estimates are grounded in any evidence that I've seen. The nine billion dollar figure was based on a claim just that, well, I think that half of them must be fraudulent. I just heard a comment just saying boost the number up. But peop- be clear, and with respect, you missed my testimony, no question there's fraud in Minnesota and absolutely I share your righteous anger about whatever degree of fraud there was there.
Do you agree that any Democrat politician, or let me be clear, any Republican politician that had knowledge of the fraud and was complicit should be prosecuted?
I'm not sure what they're being prosecuted for, but also in my testimony I described also outside of Minnesota the manifold ways that this administration is enabling fraud.
I, look, I I understand.
Oh,
And and the and the reas- ho- hold on, hold on, hold on.
I I I I think I just think the standard is that you want to prosecute people
Sir, sir, I'm gonna ask a question and then you can answer it.
Yes, sir.
Your organization describes itself as a pro-democracy organization. I'm gonna try to find out
Right.
if you actually are pro-democracy or if you're simply pro-democrat We've seen the Democrats who wanna change the topic. So I get you want to testify how much you hate Donald Trump. But I'm quite certain Donald Trump was not running a fraudulent daycare center, or a fraudulent autism center in Minnesota. So, all of the talking points about how you dislike Trump, set them aside. We will see the Democrats on this committee go down those talking points. Do you believe elected politicians in Minnesota who were aware of this fraud and were complicit in it should be prosecuted should there be accountability.
There absolutely should be accountability. It is not normal to prosecute government officials for not prosecuting fraud. That is not a standard I'm aware of that you've advocated or that anyone else has advocated in the Senate.
So so you you think it's perfectly okay
I did not say it's okay.
if let's say i- if let's say Governor Walz or Attorney General Ellison knew about the fraud benefitted from the fraud in terms of bundling votes, benefitted from the frauds in terms of collecting campaign finance violations, and deliberately looked the other way. You think that's, you you think that's not criminal conduct?
In that hypothetical, it is not okay. A hundred percent not okay.
Ye- ye- ye-
But also, if you'll permit me, that hypothetical is in fact happening throughout this initiative.
A- okay, yes, I get it. You, you dislike Trump.
But
I understand you dislike, sir, sir.
there's nothing about whether I dislike Trump, Mr. Cruz, it is whether I have a standard of accountability.
Sir, sir, sir, sir, sir. So, so, so let me let me let me, sir, sir, please.
You question my commitment to democracy. I'm asking for his personal accountability,
Please do not inter-
and I am being clear,
Please do not interrupt me.
I am being business-oriented.
Please do not interrupt me.
I believe I was answering, sir.
You may answer questions after I ask them. You've heard the evidence and testimony about daycare centers with no children, with no toys, with no facilities, with windows that are blacked out. Do you believe it is possible that the officials sending millions of dollars to those fake daycare centers and fake autism centers didn't know what was going on?
Uh, well, what I heard was claims about that, and I too have watched the video. We're both parents. I'm glad that the child care centers don't open their door for someone who's knocking there. I don't view that as evidence that the child care centers are fake child care centers, although I'm sure there are some. My understanding is that state investigators have gone to do their duty at those exact same child centers and have found that most of them actually are operating correctly.
Well, I,
That's that.
I will say it is disappointing that you had a chance leading a nonprofit that is supposedly pro-democracy to take a principled stand. Instead, you decided to defend the Somali fraudsters because it benefits elected Democrats.
That is, that is, that is
That's disappointing. It is a it's a good question. But but you know what? I I'm gonna give you something you're gonna like, an opportunity to say all the ways you dislike President Trump, because I'm gonna recognize the ranking member who will surely ask you why Trump is terrible and do everything you and he can do to change the topic from the actual, topic of this hearing. Ranking member Whitehouse.
Before we get to that, um, I don't wanna leave what seemed to be a pretty flagrant mischaracterization of your testimony uh without an opportunity for you to address that mischaracterization, if you would care to begin with that.
Appreciate that. Just briefly, I was disagreeing with the premise of the question that we have been displayed this evidence showing criminal wrongdoing. Obviously where there is criminal wrongdoing, and I testify to this, I ag- support aggressive investigation and prosecution. To the degree there is wrongdoing in Minnesota, it should be aggressively investigated and prosecuted. I'm not sure that the claim that all the evidence we've been presented today is, in fact, evidence of that, but I don't deny it for a moment that it is occurring in Minnesota.
Let me ask you another question. Um, in a democracy, is there a significant difference between private individuals engaging in fraud and self-dealing against the government And government officials, public officials engaging in fraud and self-dealing against the government.
They are both wrong, concerning, problematic, but the betrayal by public officials is morally and from a political point of view, more consequential.
Yeah, it's a worse element, isn't it? So the chairman has uh pointed out that President Trump did not run a fake daycare. What are the four or five things that Trump did that used his position to enrich himself and his family at the expense of the American taxpayer?
Well, I've detailed this in my testimony. Most shockingly is the report from the Wall Street Journal this past weekend about a Trump-connected business partnering with UAE in a deal that directly put a hundred and eighty seven million dollars in the pockets of the president and his family. He additionally has joint ventures or elaborate licensing deals with Saudi companies, companies from Qatar. He is engaged in this elaborate cryptocurrency arrangements that have made him at least two billion dollars by independent estimates and maybe even more just in the course of the last year.
And um let's look for a moment at the pardon process, which used to be operated under the supervision and scrutiny of the Department of Justice, and now appears to have moved to the lounge at Mar-a-Lago. Um, it seems that there is a pay-to-play arrangement by which people can acquire pardons. Can you elaborate on that?
Yeah, what we've seen the president use his pardon power aggressively, and I I I don't begrudge him for doing that whatsoever. But what is shocking is that leaving aside the January six pardons, they've been so heavily focused on those who've committed white-collar crimes and particularly fraud.
Bad crimes.
Uh, people who have um, committed those crimes, shown no remorse for those crimes, owed restitution for those crimes, or excused for restitution for those crimes, and who appear to be getting off because of their connection to the president, because they've hired high-priced lobbyists to get them there, or have made or they or their families have made contributions to the president's political committees or those that benefit him directly.
Do you think that fits into what the public generally understands to be pay to play?
Yes, sir.
So, um. We are now, um. in a political environment and government in which the cops basically have been defunded or fired. The inspectors general have the job of rooting out fraud and corruption. Um What's the Trump administration doing if it's concerned about fraud and corruption with the inspector general corps of the United States?
Well, I don't believe it is concerned about fraud and corruption. I believe it's effectively advancing fraud and corruption, including by eviscerating the IG community. As I mentioned, two thirds of the IGs presidentially appointed have been fired by this president and the IG staffs are massively diminished in just one year. These are the agencies that are in charge of doing exactly what we're talking about, in Minnesota. It's their job to find that kind of fraud. If there was a genuine commitment to being worried about that fraud, not for partisan reasons, because we actually cared about fraud, we'd be, as Senator Grassley said, supporting and strengthening that IG community, not cutting it off at the knees.
My time is up and uh I've paid the members the courtesy of staying within my time.
Senator Schmidt.
Thank you, Miss Chairman. Um, American citizenship is a gift, but also a sacred duty. It comes with extraordinary rights and important responsibilities. Responsibilities are a precondition to those rights. That's why our forefathers created strict rules for naturalizing new citizens. On the front end, those who wish to become Americans must prove they are persons of good moral character and of loyal to our country and attached to our constitution. On the back end, we have the ability to revoke the citizenship of those who lie or deceive us in the process of securing it. We've seen those standards of citizenship be debased. Look at the stories of just the past few months in Minneapolis, case after case, naturalized US citizens behaving in ways that show beyond any shadow of a doubt that they were net never fit for citizenship in the first place. In Minnesota, naturalized citizens defrauded our government for billions of dollars. One individual stole almost one point seven million dollars from a program intended for poor children. Just today, a naturalized citizen in Massachusetts pled guilty to stealing over a million dollars from our welfare programs. Something has to change. It's why I've introduced the scam act. to expand and accelerate our ability to denaturalize people who should have never become citizens in the first place. If you use your new citizen citizenship to commit massive welfare fraud, aggravated felonies, or espionage, or join drug cartels or terrorist organizations, you are never fit to be called an American at all. I encourage my colleagues to on this committee to support that important legislation. Now, uh, Mister Weissman, um, you are the co-CEO of Public Citizen, is that correct?
Co-president, yes sir.
OK. President, OK. Is welfare and grant fraud in the national public interest?
I'm sorry, is it?
Is n- is welfare and grant fraud in the national public interest,
It is hundred percent contrary to the national interest.
addressing it? OK, but taking it on would also be in the national interest, correct?
Taking it on is absolutely in the American interest.
OK. Is fraud prevention in the, I'm sorry, is um, is fraud prevention racist?
Fraud prevention is not racist, no.
OK. Are current fraud prevention efforts by the Trump administration in Minnesota racist?
D- no.
Okay. Are deportations racist?
Are deportations racist? It depends. They can be racist, sure.
Okay. Is ICE racist?
I think the practices of ICE right now are abhorrent and should be abhorrent, exactly as you said for American values. I think the practices of ICE right now are abhorrent.
But ICE itself, the organization is a racist.
The enforcing immigration and customs laws per se is not racist. What ICE actually is doing, I believe can fairly be characterized as racist,
Okay.
yes sir.
Alright. I ask this because um we did a little bit of digging into Public Citizen and found two things. One is you're funded by George Soros, correct?
Uh, the Open Society Foundation is one of our funders, yes.
Okay. And you call just about everything you don't like racist.
That is not true, but
Okay, well, I'm gonna give you a few examples.
Sure.
On December eleventh, twenty nineteen, Public Citizen tweeted that the banking sector as a whole is racist. On August seventeenth, twenty twenty one, Public Citizen sent in a press release that algorithmic racism was a major problem and that we need to start creating anti-racist algorithms. On December twenty third, twenty twenty, Public Citizen tweeted that our healthcare system is a racist abomination. On April seventeenth, or on April seventh, twenty twenty three, Public Citizen tweeted that expelling two si- Tennessee state reps for violating the legislature's rule was racism. On April fifteenth, twenty twenty one, Public Citizen tweeted that law enforcement in this country has been overrun by racism. On June twenty fifth, twenty twenty, public citizen tweeted, " Racism is the reason DC is not a state." On January fifteenth, twenty nineteen, public citizen tweeted that asking about citizenship status on the census was racist. On August twenty fourth, twenty twenty, public citizen tweeted, " Defund our racist, hyper-militarized, murderous American police force." On July tenth, twenty twenty, public citizen tweeted that " Law and order is a racist dog whistle." Do you stand by these statements?
Well, I appreciate the depths to which you've gone to research in the context of all those statements. Yes, sir.
So all of those things are racist.
If you wanna go through them, we can talk to them for sure.
So here's, I'm I'm really glad that I'm no,
But to be, but to be clear,
no, hold on. I'm glad for this moment of clarity because
okay.
a lot of witnesses would try to sidestep that.
That's correct.
But what you have shown in the in the questioning we've seen before, in just these examples, the public interest isn't your interest at all. It is not your interest at all. You use racism as an attempt to intimidate And it's not twenty twenty anymore. The American people are over it. So what you're gonna find is, we are going to prosecute, and it has nothing to do with race. We're gonna prosecute because fraud was committed on a level that is so offensive to this country, your words that don't mean anything aren't gonna stop what's coming. And I want you to take that back to George Soros and all these ridiculous funders you have to try to muddle the issue. Because justice is coming. And by the way, if I have it my way, we will denaturalize all these fraudsters and send them home. Mr. Chairman, I'm out of time.
Senator Harano.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a hearing about fraud and uh I would say that uh that includes corruption, political corruption. Uh so I wanna talk about political corruption in this regime. There are so many examples of political corruption in in this administration, in this regime, and the thing is uh that what is astounding to me is that This corruption, which is fraudulent, costs people money, is so overt. And I know that that um at least Mister Weissman has uh talked about some of this corruption but let me just repeat some of this because I think it's important for our American people to know what is overtly happening in our country that constitutes political for corruption and in my view fraud. For example, President Trump accepted A four hundred million dollar jet from Qatar that he plans to keep. He plans to keep after his time in office. What is that? Overt. Members of Trump's team, including Kash Patel and Christine Noem, use taxpayer-funded private jets for personal travel. To visit with girlfriends, to go to golf courses. Overt. Tech billionaires have received special access. to the White House in exchange for paying for the president's new ballroom in the East Wing. And uh as noted, uh the a lot of these tech billionaires want something from the White House. That's why they're doing this. I'd say uh you know it it it's practically extortion if not extortion for this kind of overt kind of corruption to be happening. And then Trump's family has made at least five billion dollars from the same cryptocurrency market that Trump's administration refuses to regulate. And in case anyone needs a reminder, the president himself was convicted of thirty-four thirty-four felony counts of falsifying business records. That is called fraud. Mr. Weissman, I would ask you a few questions about
Mm.
all of this overt corruption. Now, As mentioned, Trump has pardoned dozens of people, including several of his billionaire buddies. Uh many of these pardons followed one million dollar or more contributions to support the Trump campaign f- uh f- from friends and family of the convicted criminals. For example, Trevor Milton was serving a four year prison sentence and owed six hundred ninety-five million dollars, six hundred ninety-five million dollars in restitution to victor- victims and he was pardoned. So all that restitution money, forget it, forgiven. Pardoned by Trump after he and his wife contributed almost two million dollars to support Trump's campaign. Paul Walzak owed four point four million dollars in restitution to victims, and was serving an eighteen month sentence when Trump pardoned him following Walzak's mother spending one million dollars to attend a Trump fundraiser. Julio Herrera was pardoned after his daughter contributed one million dollars to a Trump super pact. Mister Weissman, do you see a pattern here?
I think the pattern is exactly what you're just saying, Senator, which is that people who've made contributions to the president's political committees or who have hired lobbyists, spending a lot of money with people who are close to the president, have managed to finagle p- uh pardons without showing any remorse and irrespective of the harms they perpetrated on victims.
Hundreds of millions of dollars literally in restitution out the window. So what do you call this kind of behavior? I call it corruption. And do you uh do you think that uh this pattern of uh Trump basically holding out his hand and extracting all this money from people for pardons and everything else um do you think that that pattern will cease?
I think there is zero percent chance of it ceasing unless the people and this Congress demand that it does so.
I do wanna mention, you know, the the DOJ is actually uh doing an investigation, in fact they're following up on a lawsuit that was originally filed by Biden against Ticketmaster, which sells tickets, owns venues, contracts with major performers, uh that they pretty much run the whole show. And uh this allows uh Ticketmaster to literally screw over fans, and so the Biden administration sued them for anti-competitive practices. Now what hopes that this lawsuit will continue, but now we are hearing that well-connected Trump world lobbyists are pursuing the Trump DOJ to drop the case, and this is reminiscent of these same lobbyists getting the Trump DOJ to drop another lawsuit um from going forward and they did so. So would you be surprised if this Ticketmaster lawsuit goes away and the Ticketmaster consumers customers which number in the millions will continue to get screwed? Would you be surprised if this lawsuit goes away?
I would not be surprised. I would not be surprised.
K, there you go.
Good.
Corruption rampant.
Yep. Senator Cornyn.
Am I pronouncing your last name correctly, Mr. Hoch?
Hoek.
Hoek? Thank you. Mr. Hoek, uh, do you think this kind of fraud is isolated to in Minnesota?
No.
You think it's pervasive?
Yes.
You think it just is a case of uh child care? Fraud or would it apply to more broadly to various nongovernmental organizations that are giving contracts by the federal gate, uh, different federal departments?
I think it covers
Here, why don't you get your microphone up there. Yes, sir.
I think it covers almost every organization, nonprofits, NGOs, uh, health care, adult daycare, autism centers. And so I wanted Go back to something that Mister Weissman said, so this is the second time now that he has questioned my data. He was just
Well, let me, if
discredited, so I offered in my second video a hundred thousand dollars to anybody who could prove my data wrong. So I stand by it.
K.
I'm sorry, Senator.
No, I you'll have plenty of chance to to refute uh refute what you disagree with there.
All right.
But so not limited to uh daycare, not limited to Minnesota, Um Are you continuing your investigation beyond Minnesota?
I am and I've heard from every state in the country where people are uncovering the same sorts of fraud. I can't say it's exactly the same, but I'm, every day I'm getting emails, I'm getting messages, you know, I'm in Ohio, I'm in Washington, I'm in California, the Texas all over, we're finding the same types of fraud here. And I just I can't it it's so massive that I can't possibly help everybody.
Uh, Chairman, I have a document uh published by the uh Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, non-profit organizations, total assets level, uh dated January the ninth, twenty twenty six. I'd ask unanimous consent to make that part of the record.
Without objection, it'll be admitted.
So, this document, and I'm happy to show it to you. shows that there are thirteen trillion dollars, thirteen trillion dollars, in total assets that are in the hands of NGOs or non-profit organizations. Does that number shock you like it shocks me? Thirteen trillion.
Well, Senator, I think what happens is we've become desensitized to these big numbers because we hear them so often. It's a shocking number all on its own. Yes.
So the p- It strikes me, part of the problem is when the US Congress appropriates money, they're appropriated usually to federal agencies, and then they then contract with NGOs and others. And I think one of the things we need to look at is what the those contracts provide for. And particularly with regard to the requirement for audits on a. Periodic basis. But. Your concern about fraud being more pervasive and extending beyond Somali child care and and Minnesota. Would it also extend to these thirteen trillion dollars in the hands of nongovernmental organizations?
There's certainly gonna be a a a a good portion of that. That is fraud. Now, w- one of the things, one of the reasons that I don't have a comp- a clearly defined number on the amount of fraud is because four times I've requested from the state of Minnesota the data for the payments, the Medicaid payments going to these transportation companies. And remember in the video, Nick and I went, and none of them existed. One was a liquor store, one was a grocery store, one was a mailbox. And so the state won't turn over to me the amount of money that companies are getting. That's why I had to take a national average in the video. And that's how I came up with the number, and it's staggering.
So what sort of recourse in terms of recouping the amount of money stolen in the Somali daycare uh operation?
Well, I think So, what has
How how how how how can that money be recouped if it can?
Well, you're never gonna get it all back, but again, we have to stop worrying about suitcases full of cash at the airport, and transfer wires going to Saudi Arabia and Kenya and all these other places you gotta cut the money off at the source and you gotta go to these social service agencies and and tell them, if you write a fraudulent check, you run the risk of going to prison, period. You have to have that sitting there so they're gonna think twice before the issue a payment cuz they might end up in prison cuz it's a felony.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Senator Graham. You're telling me that There are companies that are listed, that receive transportation payments that don't exist.
When I say they don't exist, all they are is registered with the state of Minnesota. They're a slip of paper. They don't exist. They have no office. They have no assets.
So the, it's a, it's a scam.
It's a total scam.
So here's to the people of Minnesota. Your governor, you better answer these questions. What can we do? We can get you here. and hold you accountable for the programs you're running in Minnesota. Miss Robbins, are you here to tell me that the system in Minnesota is broken and you're having a hard time getting people to help you?
Thank you. The system is absolutely broken. There are fraud on multiple levels. There are failures of internal controls. And finally, we have help from the best.
And you're telling me your state has not been responsive.
No, they have actively, I would say, uh harmed whistleblowers who tried to uh point it out, and they have tried to shut down investigations.
You said fake mails for fake kids.
Yes.
Uh, would it help if you had to biometrically identify uh recipients of aid? That they'd have to be biometrically identified to prove they exist?
I think it certainly would help. I'm I'm a privacy advocate, so I'd wanna understand the details of that.
Well, number one, prove you exist.
Yes, prove you exist, like very basic. Just a recipient exists.
That's not, that's not a privacy problem. If I'm gonna give you money, is it too much to ask that you prove you exist?
No, that's why we need documentation,
Well, that's coming.
not attestation.
We're going to fix this. It's coming. We're not gonna sit on the sidelines and watch billions of dollars go to organizations that don't exist, rows of daycare facilities that don't provide daycare. It's in Minnesota. Bless you both trying to fix it. Is there any doubt, Mr. Hoek, to the extent of the problem that is billions in Minnesota?
Again, we don't know what the number's gonna be. It's gonna be uh uh it could be eighty billion if you go back
You just don't know.
Uh, we we don't know, but to the point about politicians knowing so, I filed a criminal complaint against Governor Walz for violating the law for not reporting the crime.
I just, I think when you ask the Medicaid services in in Minnesota tell us who you give money to, that's not unreasonable. So what I would think this committee should do, quite frankly, is that we should ask for an accounting. When Minnesota sends pay up wants to get reimbursed for SNAP benefits. Are you familiar with the SNAP program?
Yes, sir.
Do you have to provide names who got the benefits or they just give you a number?
My understanding is that there is a list, um, and the federal government is trying to get it from Minnesota before it's lost.
Well, I'm I'm telling you we can't.
Right. They're they're stonewalling.
I'm That's right. They're stonewalling. Taxpayers. Minority taxpayers. No matter what the color of your skin, You work hard for your money and the people at the top in Minnesota are trying to perpetuate the fraud, in my view. You can say what you want to about Trump. That's not why we're here. Seems to me that we would wanna make sure that a transportation company on paper actually exists. It seems to me that if we wanna feed a kid, they actually exist. And you know what? They're not giving us the data to prove that they actually exist. So how in the world can we, as the federal government, allow this to continue? We are not. Miss Robinson, are you begging us to help you?
Yes, and we're grateful for the help that's come recently from the Trump administration and from our partners here in these committees.
Mister Hoek, are you begging this committee to help you?
Yes.
Message received. Mr. Weissman, I don't wanna waste your time or mine. Bottom line is, we're gonna find a way to help the taxpayer. I don't mind. I like feeding kids who are hungry and can't afford to get a meal unless they get one at school. I don't mind helping Medicaid people to get to where they wanna go. I do mind when we're getting ripped off into the leadership of Minnesota, your day is coming. And if you think it's just Minnesota, you're Senator Cornyn, you're right, it's everywhere. And we're gonna find it. That's the least we can do as managers of these programs. God bless you all. Thank you. Senator Lee.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for organizing this hearing. Thanks to each of you for being here. The United States of America is one of the most generous countries in the entire world. It also happens to be one of the most upwardly mobile countries in the entire world. It's somewhat unique in the sense that a person can be born into poverty here, or arrive here as poverty, as a refugee or otherwise, and have the reasonable hope and expectation if they work hard, one day they are likely to be able to retire comfortably, if not wealthy. This requires access not so much to government programs as to robust institutions of civil society and free markets, more than anything else, much as many would like to have us believe otherwise. Key to those institutions of civil society are these charitable activities to which I referred. Uh, Americans donate nearly six hundred billion dollars a year uh in charity every single year. This in addition to an estimated one point eight trillion dollars annually that uh, federal and state governments spend on anti-poverty welfare programs, not including things like uh Medicare and Social Security that are about retirement uh r rather than anti-poverty measures. Now, i- if you ask almost anyone wh- which of those programs, whether a government program, whether state or federal, or very often it's a state program administered by states with a lot of federal funding, sometimes it's one or the other, very often there's a mixture. If you ask them what has a greater chance of achieving what I think should always be the ideal of any welfare system, the objective, which is to make poverty temporary rather than tolerable. I think nine out of ten, perhaps ninety-nine out of a hundred individuals would say that it is a privately funded welfare programs. Why? Well, because they're set up in such a way that they can be much more about the individual. They can be much more about identifying ways in which you can make poverty temporary rather than tolerable. In fact, one could argue that, uh, for these government programs making i- i- it's even too complimentary of many of the government programs to say that the objective is to make poverty tolerable rather than temporary. Very often the objective is to facilitate the very kind of waste, fraud and abuse that we see here, that we're examining here today, in a relatively uh uh discrete part of the country, involving the Somali community in one state, Minnesota. So, lest we delude ourselves into thinking that this is an aberration, lest we delude ourselves alternatively into thinking that, oh, all we need are better, smarter managers, more efficient people who will suddenly identify and become enlightened as to best practices to make sure this doesn't happen. This is what this thing does. You don't put a hornet's nest in your child's bedroom and expect that it won't cause problems at some point. You don't release blank checks. And allow those blank checks to be cashed at will by people who are not directly paying the bill because somebody else is three hundred and fifty million Americans are sharing in that burden. and expect there not to be fraud, not just occasional fraud, but massive, earth-shaking kinds of fraud that cause people to lose faith in the system. Meanwhile, what is it getting us? Under these systems, under, uh, particularly the federally funded state administered programs, under what circumstances do we have evidence that this is making poverty temporary rather than tolerable? And in what circumstances do we have evidence that it's not facilitating fraud? So, Let's not kid ourselves. This is, if anything, the tip of the tip of the iceberg. It happened to manifest itself very well because of Nick Shirley and a few other brave journalists who stepped into the fray on this one and have taken a lot of heat as a result but I suspect that this is the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Mister Ho, in your view, did the Minnesota State Government, uh, either through incompetence or willful ignorance Reckless blindness or otherwise, did it enable the Somali fraud in Minnesota?
Yes.
How did it do that?
Complicity.
Complicity. Complicity with what degree of awareness as to the level of fraud that was being undertaken?
Hundred percent.
Hundred percent. So this was not a bug, was it? This was a feature. So, uh, when we look at the fact that the federal government is thirty eight and a half trillion dollars in debt, When we look at the fact that we have impoverished Americans, keep in mind, when we spend this much money that we don't have, adding to that thirty eight and a half trillion dollar debt at a staggering rate approaching two trillion dollars a year, what does that do? I'll give you a hint. It is not the rich people who suffer. Rich people find ways of getting even richer during times of tremendous inflation. It is hardworking Americans, especially poor Americans, and middle class Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck. They are the ones who suffer. And damn all of us if we don't look out for them. Shame on all of us if we don't fix this. And by " fix it" I don't mean get smarter people have better procedures. I mean, maybe we should start looking at the fact that our Constitution puts this government in charge of a few things. National defense, weight and measures, trademark copyrights and patents, regulating trade or commerce between the states with foreign nations and with the tribes. There are a few others, but that's the lion's share of the power. we were not equipped from the beginning to be a welfare agency. The word " welfare" appears exactly twice in the Constitution, once in a non-operative, non-authority-granting preamble, and a second time in the spending clause, which was included as a limitation on the spending power rather than an expansion of it. There is no power to just look out for people generally, uh, uh, unless we rely on a bastardized version of the Constitution that has driven us into thirty eight and a half trillion dollars in debt, crippling poor and middle class Americans with destabilizing inflation, inflation that it makes it impossible to raise a family in this country. And shame on all of us if we don't take this as a severe wake up call, because this is going on all the time. Thank you.
Thank you, Senator Lee. Uh, this concludes today's hearing, although I will note that Governor Walz and Attorney General Ellison and Mayor Frey were invited. They could have come here and answered questions. They could have presented some sort of defense that they were not, as Mister Hoek just put it, one hundred percent aware, one hundred percent complicit, and indeed personally and politically benefiting from robbing the Minnesota taxpayers. They chose not to do so. But I'll make clear that invitation remains open. Governor Walts is welcome to come to this committee. Attorney General Ellison is welcome to come to this committee. Mayor Fry is welcome to come to this committee. And I'll tell you this, I won't hold my breath waiting because all three have entered witness protection when it comes to fraud in the state of Minnesota. Written questions can be submitted for the record until Wednesday, February eleventh at five p m. And I will ask the witnesses to answer in return uh the answers to the questions to the committee by february twenty fifth at five p m and with that this hearing is adjourned
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