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Increasing Demand and Opportunities for Homegrown Products Here and Abroad

Wednesday, September 16, 2026

Summary

  • Rep. Thompson touted doubled export promotion funding and House farm bill passage while witnesses urged Congress to expand demand programs for cotton, produce, timber and biobased products.
  • Alexis Taylor (Chief Global Policy Officer, International Fresh Produce Association) requested at least five billion dollars in specialty crop aid based on sales losses, plus labor reform and nutrition funding.
  • Rep. Salinas pressed Alexis Taylor on Oregon wine exports falling eighty-three percent to Canada, with Taylor warning lost branded markets take years to rebuild despite promotion programs.
  • Republicans credited trade deals and tax relief for shrinking the farm deficit, while Democrats blamed tariffs, SNAP cuts, beef imports and aid dependence for deepening farm hardship.
  • The hearing builds momentum for Senate farm bill action, year-round E15 legislation, Buying American Cotton Act and bioeconomy incentives to lift long-term farm demand.

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Rep. Thompson (PA-15)5:32 – 11:48

The uh committee will come to order. Welcome and thank you for joining today's hearing entitled "Increasing demand and opportunities for homegrown products here and abroad." After opening remarks, members will receive testimony from our witnesses today, and then the hearing will be open to questions. So uh, once again good morning everyone, and thank you for joining us today as we discuss some of the agricultural programs policies and tools that we have at our disposal for enhancing demand of homegrown agricultural products, both here and across the world. Uh, thank you especially to the expert witnesses joining us today. We look forward to hearing your experiences and perspectives on this vital matter. Everything to we do in on this committee is tied to the principle of supporting American producers. I'm extremely proud of the work this committee has done over the last few years, and I'm grateful for those members on both sides of the aisle who stepped up on behalf the American producer. We passed the largest investment in American agriculture in a generation. Last summer we passed a farm bill from the House of Representatives in April and I look forward to the Senate upholding its end of the bargain soon. We also got the Whole Milk for Healthy Kids Act signed into law and the House passed legislation to approve year-round E-fifteen sales. We've stepped up to the plate when economic assistance is needed. And most importantly, we have put thoughtful policies in place to build a stronger foundation for the farm economy over the long term. Uh, just next month producers will begin seeing the modernized commodity payments, which made possible by last summer's working families tax cuts bill. Outside of the agriculture title, this legislation also included historic tax savings for producers. Provisions such as estate tax relief, immediate expensing, and capital gains deferral on land transfers are all designed to keep farms and the family. and support the next generation of producers. The House Committee on Agriculture has done its job in the hundred and nineteenth Congress and I look forward to continuing this work through the end of the year and beyond. Supporting the American producers is inherently linked to the idea of increasing demand largely because American producers are so good at what they do. Over the last hundred years we have seen total farm output in the US triple. Thanks to innovation, investment and the hard work of American producers, our country yields far more agricultural products than we could ever consume at home, even in years of lower harvests. This dramatic increase in supply leaves both producers and lawmakers with different challenges and opportunities that must be addressed. From a national security perspective, American agricultural abundance is one of the greatest assets we have as a nation. Food security is national security, and the simple fact that our farmers and ranchers more than provide for our citizens is a strength, not a disadvantage, and we should all re- all remember that. Even still, American producers need demand to match this exceptional supply. Our policy tools must advance alongside the innovations that have enabled our producers to create a stunning rise in productivity. This has been a guiding principle of this committee. And I'm proud to see this take shape in the policy that we've championed over the last several years. Last summer through the passage of the working family's tax cuts, Congress more than doubled the funding allocated for trade export promotion programs. These are programs that work hard to get American agriculture products on shelves around the world. And this was a state of priority of nearly every single member of this committee on both sides of the aisle. This legislation also included increased funding for technical assistance for specialty crop programs, which helps producers navigate non-tariff trade barriers that threaten the export of US specialty crops. The bipartisan spirit of funding these programs was carried into the Farm Food and National Security Act of two thousand twenty six which included over one hundred bipartisan pieces of legislation within it many of which are focused on increasing demand for homegrown ag products. One of these is the Wood Innovation Grants program, which invests in projects uh producing new and innovative forest products such as wood pellets and mass timber. When foresters have more flexibility in what product can can uh bring to market, their potential for sustainable revenue growth increases dramatically both at home and abroad. Another program we strengthened in the new farm bill is the Bio-preferred program, which works to increase the development and purchase and use of bio-based products, which include everything from biofuels to construction materials to fertilizer. This plays a significant role in expanding markets and creating new revenue streams for American producers. There are also important policy levers available that fall outside of this committee's jurisdiction, such as the Buying American Cotton Act, which would use tax incentives to encourage greater use of US grown cotton and finished products sold to American consumers. While this falls under the jurisdiction of the Ways and Means Committee, I look forward to hearing our witnesses today speak on the potential impact that this proposed legislation would have on American producers. I'm uh well aware that times are tough in the farm economy today. It is a situation that has been years in the making and farmers are feeling the pain. While Congress and the administration have provided us some short-term relief, it's important that we do not lose sight of the policies that can provide for a durable long-term recovery. Again, thank you to each of our witnesses for taking the time out of your busy schedules to join us and share your perspectives on this critical topic of increasing long-term de- demand for American producers with that I now yield to the ranking member, Craig, of uh for her opening remarks.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)11:49 – 17:03

Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. Uh, good morning to our witnesses. Uh, I wanna begin simply by thanking you for being here today and for being, uh, such great, uh, stalwart supporters of the American farmer. We're here to discuss creating opportunities for America's farm families. I firmly believe that Congress and the current administration should do more to expand market opportunities at home and abroad for American agriculture. For example, and I know I sound like a broken record on this point, making simple policy reforms like allowing year-round E-fifteen would be a big help to the farmers that I represent in Minnesota. The truth is, though, that this administration can't seem to get out of its own way. Earlier this Congress, Republicans and Democrats worked hard to get E-fifteen included in an omnibus appropriations package. only to have that effort fail once again. The administration destroyed USAID, which in previous years purchased roughly two billion dollars worth of US grown agricultural products annually. The administration cancelled the previous administration's programs that resulted in per purchases of food from local farmers for schools and communities. And the Trump administration More recently sold out American cattlemen by prioritizing three hundred thousand metric tons of Argentinian and Brazilian beef, even as our ranchers struggle to rebuild the US herd. The president's governed-by-tweet approach has rattled cattle markets with small producers selling calves at three hundred to four hundred dollars less than they were just a few months ago. That's money taken farmers and handed to our foreign competitors, not exactly America first. Congressional Republicans cut a hundred and eighty-seven billion dollars in nutrition assistance throwing millions of American citizens off SNAP including more than one point five million children, resulting in less American food being bought and more hungry Americans. That represents about twenty-five billion dollars in lost revenue for family farmers. The administration cancelled funding to help young and beginning farmers acquire farmland so they could get into farming. The president declared a worldwide trade war. The American Farm Bureau calculates losses due to Trump's tariffs to be around thirty billion dollars for the twenty-five, twenty-six crop year. And that's before he threw the latest trade grenade at Canada, one of our largest trading partners. Now, I know that a number of my colleagues on the dais today can't Criticizer complained many of the policies that I also know they don't support. The administration began a war with Iran that sent the cost of fertilizer and fuel to record highs. Farm diesel is at six dollars and thirty-one cents per gallon as of this morning. I could go on and on and on, but at some point the chairman would probably ask me to stop. The result of all these actions are lost opportunities and higher costs for farmers. Consequently, Americans' uh America's farm country is in a crisis. Fifteen thousand farms were lost just last year, according to USDA's own data. Farm production expenses are forecasted to increase by seven point one billion dollars this year. Farm bankruptcies were up seventy percent in the Midwest over the past year. The administration brags about reducing the ag trade deficit, but it's not because farmers are exporting more. It's because Americans are importing less because they cannot afford Trump's tariffs. So I say again, if we wanna create opportunities instead of closing them out of markets and putting a bull's-eye on their backs with tariffs and trade wars maybe the administration should start by getting out of its own way. When you're in a hole this deep, the first step to getting out is to stop digging. I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today who represent a wide range of perspectives I hope to hear an honest assessment, not only about what proactive, positive things can be done to improve demand for their products, but also what this administration should stop doing that undercuts those opportunities. I'll conclude with one final statistic, which I think speaks for itself. USDA expects direct government farm payouts will increase by nearly seventy percent this year. If the president or the country was winning, like he says we are, farmers would need seventy percent more government payouts this year than last year. They would be getting it from the marketplace like they want. Trump is running up a tab that hardworking Americans cannot afford. Congress must start standing up for farmers and stop giving the president a free pass at the expense of farm country. With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)17:04 – 18:17

I thank the General Lady, the Chair would request that other members submit their opening statements for the record so the witnesses may begin their testimony and to ensure, that there's ample time for questions. Our first witness today is the Honorable Alexis Taylor, the Chief Global Policy Officer at the International Fresh Produce Association. Prior to this role she served as the Under-Secretary of Agriculture for Trade and Foreign Agriculture Affairs. Our next witness is Mister Patrick Johnson. a farmer in Tunica, Mississippi. Our third witness today is Mr. Carlyle Currier, the president of the Colorado Farm Bureau. Our next witness is Dr. Alex Buck, the chairman of the board of the Plant Based Products Council. Our fifth witness is Mr. Tyler Shields, uh the chief operating officer of the Bingaman and Son Lumber Incorporated. And our final witness today is Mr. Chad Franke, the President of the Rocky Mountain Farmers Union. Thank you to all for joining us today and we're now gonna proceed to your testimony. You each have five minutes. Uh the timer in front of you will count down to zero at which time your point, at which point your time has expired. Under Secretary Taylor, please begin when you're ready.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)18:19 – 22:45

Thank you. Good morning, Chair Thompson, Ranking Member Craig, and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today and for holding this hearing to better understand the issues that are critical to the future of American agriculture. As was mentioned, my name is Alexis Taylor. I'm the Chief Global Policy Officer at the International Fresh Produce Association. IFPA proudly represents growers, shippers, distributors, retailers, and food service providers across the fresh produce and floral supply chain. They feed American families, support two million jobs, and contribute more than three hundred and thirty-five billion dollars to the US economy each year. American specialty crop growers have faced a convergence economic pressures over the over the past several years. Input, regulatory, and labor costs have all risen sharply, while farm returns have not kept pace. And these challenges are amplified for specialty crops, which are uniquely labor-intensive and often have limited ability to absorb input cost increases because of their perishable nature. A strong specialty crop sector requires more than productive farms. It requires profitable markets, growing consumer demand, and the ability to compete. For growers that means connecting American production with consumers at home and market opportunities abroad. In the short term, IFPA and the Specialty Crop Farm Bill Alliance are calling on Congress to provide dedicated economic assistance of no less than five billion dollars for specialty crop growers. But the amount of assistance is only part of the equation. Program structure matters just as much. Assistance should be based on actual sales losses, not acreage, to provide a more accurate measure economic harm across a sector with widely varying crops, costs, and market values. This committee took an important step in the farm bill to establish a framework for specialty crop assistance, but stronger language is needed to require this framework to be used. Beyond the immediate need, labor reform would provide critical long-term support for the sector. The H two A program has not been meaningfully updated in decades, which is why IFPA strongly support Chairman Thompson's securing agriculture's Thank you, Chair Thompson, for your leadership on this issue. Beyond these improvements in the long-term viability of the specialty crop sector, Congress also has powerful tools at its disposal to d increase demand for fresh produce here at home. Today, nine out of ten Americans fall far short of the recommended fruit and vegetable intake levels. Strengthening federal nutrition programs to ensure they provide consistent access to fresh fruits and vegetables will not only in uh help Americans improve their through better diets, it also strengthens domestic markets for American farmers. To meet this opportunity, we need systematic solutions to make it easier for everyone to choose fresh fruits and vegetables. This includes fully funding the WIC fruit and vegetable benefit, and modernizing USTA's procurement to prioritize produce. And because convenience and trust drives what people buy, investing in reliable, efficient supply chains, and in maintaining confidence in the safety of fresh produce, deeply matters as well. Finally, we need to preserve access to key trading partners and open real opportunities abroad to strengthen the competitiveness of the US produce industry the US exports over seven billion dollars in fresh fruits, vegetables and florals each year, but our growers face real barriers to competing. Tariffs on critical ag inputs raise costs to farmers who are already economically strained and create uncertainty that makes planning difficult. Non-tariff barriers like shifting pesticide residue limits and unsan uh unscientific sanitary and phytosanitary requirements can shut American products out of foreign markets entirely. Trade also plays an important role in maintaining year-round access to affordable fruits and vegetables for consumers, while also creating new opportunities for American growers abroad. Continued federal investment in market development programs such as TASK, MAP, and FMD provide US growers and businesses with critical tools to address trade barriers and expand export opportunities. Congress has a vital role to play in easing the pressures facing specialty crop growers strengthening their competitiveness and growing demand for American fruits vegetables and florals these are not separate objectives when we invest in nutrition reinforce consumer confidence expand ma- markets at home and abroad we create a stronger demand and a stronger future for US specialty crop producers on behalf of the

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)22:55 – 23:01

Under Secretary Taylor, thank you so much for your your testimony. Mister Johnson, please begin when you're ready.

Patrick Johnson (Witness)23:02 – 27:37

Chairman Thompson, Ranking Member Craig, and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify here today. My name is Patrick Johnson and I'm a partner in Cypress a family farming operation in Tunica, Mississippi, where we grow cotton, rice, corn, soybeans and wheat. While recent years have been very difficult, let me first state that I'm enormously grateful for all of the things that Congress, USDA and the Trump administration have done to help producers. But significant challenges remain. In the Mississippi Delta, Producers like me are facing the fourth consecutive year with input costs that exceed market prices. Additional short-term assistance is important, but the long-term sustainability of our operation depends on building stronger markets and increasing demand for the crops we grow. In the case of cotton, nothing would be more beneficial to me than the passage of the Buying American Cotton Act or BACA. Under BACA, items fully manufactured in the United States or imported in the U uh into the US would qualify for a tax credit based on the level of US cotton content and US-based processing. Higher credit values would apply to US cotton items produced entirely in the US or in countries with which the US has a free trade agreement or preferential trade program. The opportunities are enormous. American consumers currently purchase about eighteen million bales worth of cotton products each year, of which about four million bales worth of goods contain US cotton. Baca is designed to close that gap and turn the purchasing power of the American consumer into demand for US grown fiber. In addition, the bill would reorient Cotton supply chains by incentivizing manufacturing in the US and with our partners in this hemisphere. BACA is common sense legislation. It is no surprise that congressional support for the bill continues to grow. So far the House legislation has the backing of nearly a hundred cosponsors from both sides of the aisle, stretching uh across the country from California to Maine. In fact, only one other bipartisan tax introduced in this Congress has more co-sponsors. Cotton farmers will also benefit from increased consumer awareness of the virtues of choosing natural fibers over synthetic alternatives. Last year the cotton industry launched the Plant Not Plastic campaign to educate consumers on the environmental harm and adva adverse health impacts caused by micro-plastics from polyester clothing and textiles. So far this camp campaign has reached tens of millions of US consumers. Because cotton is not the only commodity I produce, I'm also encouraged by the increasing support for the Grown in America Act, which would establish a tax credit to incentivize the purchase of US grown crops including rice. The legislation's twenty-five percent tax credit would apply to qualifying businesses including farmer cooperatives, based on the value of the commodities purchased from US growers that are used in domestic manufacturing of food and beverage products. Passage of the Grown in America Act would boost demand here at home, where producers can realise more of the value of their crop, while generating greater economic activity and jobs in our rural communities. Reducing our dependence on foreign markets would also decrease volatility and ease supply chain pressures. Both BACA and the Grown in America Act share the same goal and are parallel in purpose, even though the mechanics of the two bills differ to meet the unique needs of each supply chain. Both bills are essential and I hope that Congress will move to pass these pieces of legislation before the end of the year. We must work to bring our cotton and rice markets back to profitable level levels and strengthen domestic demand. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and I look forward to your questions.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)27:38 – 27:45

Mr. Johnson, thanks so much for your testimony. Much appreciated. Mr. Currier, uh please begin when you're ready.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)27:46 – 32:56

Good morning, Chairman Thompson, Ranking Member Craig and members of the committee. My name is Carlisle Currier and I serve as President of Colorado Farm Bureau. I'm also here today representing the American Farm Bureau Federation. I want to thank you for the opportunity to join I live and ranch in Colorado's western slope in the rural community of Plateau Valley, home to around fourteen hundred residents. Ranching is the lifeblood of our community, sustaining families like mine since the eighteen eighties. My son Joel is the fifth generation on our ranch. Joel and I raise beef cattle and ship calves in the fall when they come off our US Forest Service permit at around six to seven hundred pounds. Our beef is fed, finished, and enters the supply chain for consumers. Like many other businesses, an ranching return is tied to demand. The return on my investment in my own herd is forever tied to consumer demand for American beef. As an aging rancher, I often run calculations as to how tax liabilities impact today's bottom line and tomorrow's next generation ownership. Fortunately, Congress fortified long-term capital investment into the beef industry by making permanent critical tax provisions in the one big beautiful bill act passed last summer. Provisions like permanent estate tax exemptions and business income deductions will enable farmers to invest back into our businesses encouraging herd rebuilding and empower empowering succession planning. Ranching in the west comes with many challenges. I'd like to thank the committee for including necessary updates to the Livestock Forage Program or LFP, the Livestock Endemony Program, and vitally important animal health programs. Because of these changes, ranchers who experienced a day two or greater drought for more than four weeks are eligible for LFP. More importantly, LIP will now cover unborn livestock losses. Nothing helps a cattle rancher more than strong demand, fair and free trade, and a consistent marketplace. Recently, producers have been receiving record prices for their cattle. This is due in part to the closure of the Mexican border because the New World's crew warm, persistent drought, and ranchers exiting the business while cattle prices are at record levels. These factors and others have led to the lowest cattle numbers in the United States in many decades. We greatly appreciate American consumers' unwavering demand for beef, and we are acutely aware of the sensitivity surrounding the cost of it at a grocery store. Ranchers are no different. Numerous products essential to our operations have also increased in price. The fact remains that the price consumers are paying for beef in the store are the result of supply and demand I'm not alone when I say I was caught off guard by the recent decision to waive the tariff rate quotas on three hundred thousand metric tons of lean beef trimmings for ninety days since the announcement cattle prices have dropped fifteen percent which equates to three to four hundred dollars per head. Furthermore, this is happening when most ranchers are selling their spring calves. To put it simply, the timing of this announcement could not have been worse. I mentioned earlier about premiums. There is no better premium than the USA label. We are thankful that the President and his administration are continuing the voluntary product of the USA label that was proposed and finalized under his predecessor. This vol voluntary label can create increased opportunities for ranchers like me, to capture additional premiums within the market. Under the twenty twenty-six standards and criteria for the voluntary labor, label the Trump administration empowered Americans, producers and consumers alike, to leverage the power of the free market. While consumers often face stick or stock at the grocery store, prices have not discouraged consumers from purchasing muscle cuts of beef. In fact, demand has increased year over year. The improved quality of beef has kept demand strong. Suffice to say, consumers around the world cannot get enough the high quality beef produced by American ranchers. We must continue to pursue open trade opportunities that allow us to supplement our country's demand for beef. Producing high quality American beef and bolstering the market for primal cuts as center plate proteins equips producers to capitalize on premier retail opportunities that are expanding like never before. Durable policy decisions have long been the hallmark of federal egg policy, that has provided much needed sustainability for ranchers in their communities. It is legislation like the Farm Bill that has provided the framework for farm economies and our local food system. As both a rancher and a consumer, I c- certainly recognize that we must carefully balance producers' bottom lines with the for-real affordability of our nation's food supply. Reactionary policy decisions often cause unrealized turbulence rather than realized gain. Thank you for having me here today, and I'm happy to answer any questions the committee may have.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)32:57 – 33:02

Mr. Currier, thank you so much for your testimony. Uh, Doctor Buck, please begin when you're ready.

Alex Buck (Witness)33:04 – 37:30

Chairman Thompson, Ranking Member Craig, and members of the House Agricultural Committee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify on this important topic. It's my first time testifying to before Congress and I'm honored to appear before you as the Chairman of the Plant-based Products Council. In addition, I serve as the Director of Industrial Innovation, at the Iowa Corn Growers Association where I direct research and business development projects on behalf of Iowa's corn farmers. The Plant-based Products Council, or PBPC, represents businesses large and small that contribute to the bio-economy supply chain, including farmers, feedstock processors, manufacturers, and companies that use plant-based products. As a feedstock agnostic organization, we are dedicated to policies that expand consumer-driven markets for plant-based products, and advance the adoption of renewable plant-based materials for uses beyond food and fuel. Some plant-based products already on the market today include power tool lubricants, soaps and shampoos, construction materials, textiles, and lightweight packaging to name just a few of the thousands of products on the market today. As a PHD chemist, but more importantly as a husband and a father, I trust plant-based products and use them every day in my home. PVPC launched its annual consumer research program in twenty twenty to better understand how Americans view plant-based products and the broader transition to renewable materials. In twenty twenty five, eighty-six percent of consumers said they are likely to purchase or use plant-based products within the next three months. Plant-based products are no longer a hypothetical market. Consumers increasingly see these products as everyday options, creating demand for farmers and others across the supply chain. PBPC's research also shows more than seventy-two percent of consumers say they support federal laws including tax breaks that would incentivize the build-out of the American ag bio-economy as demand for bio-based products grows, so does demand for the corn, soybeans, wheat, and other crops used to produce them. Every new bio-based product represents a new customer for America's farmers. By supporting the bioeconomy, Congress can help ensure that agricultural production remains connected to a diverse and growing range of markets in the United States. The bipartisan, bicameral, Bio-manufacturing and Jobs Act would strengthen USDA's support for bio-based products, and help modernize federal policies that support market growth. And we appreciate the Ag Committee's leadership to include provisions of this legislation in the House-passed farm bill. Among its provisions, the legislation would modernize USDA's bio-preferred program, and improve federal procurement opportunities for bio-based products. The legislation would also enhance data collection and market visibility, and establish more consistent terminology for bio-based products. Additionally, the bipartisan, bicameral, agricultural, bio-refinery, innovation, and opportunity act, or the AgBio act, would greatly strengthen and improve USDA's bio-refinery, renewable chemical, and Bio-based Product Manufacturing Assistance, also known as section section nine thousand and three. We are again appreciative of Chairman Thompson and the committee's leadership on this issue and glad to see many of these provisions also included in the House Farm Bill language. Simply put, we cannot win the global race for bio-manufacturing if American innovations must leave the United States to scale. The US has world-class farmers, abundant agricultural feedstocks, and outstanding research and innovation. However, we need stronger incentives to ensure that those advantages translate into domestic bio-manufacturing investment. The bipartisan bio-based materials investment and production act would offer tax incentives to expand production capacity for plant-based products in the United States. Let's export valuable plant-based materials, not jobs and technology. The agricultural bio-economy offers an opportunity to expand markets for farmers, create jobs in rural communities, Strengthen domestic manufacturing, improve global competitiveness competitiveness and enhance national security through a stronger domestic bio-manufacturing base. On behalf of the Plant-based Products Council, thank you for holding this important hearing on new markets and the opportunities they create for American agriculture. Thank you for the opportunity to testify, and I'd be pleased to answer any questions.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)37:32 – 37:37

Doctor Buck, thank you so much for your testimony. Mister Shields, please begin when you're ready.

Tyler Shields (Witness)37:39 – 42:37

Chairman Thompson, Ranking Member, and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. My name is Tyler Shields and I serve as Chief Operating Officer of Bingaman and Sun Lumber, a third generation family-owned hardwood products manufacturer headquartered in Pennsylvania. Our company operates five facilities across the Commonwealth and purchases green lumber from more than a hundred and twenty-five saw mills throughout Pennsylvania and neighboring states. We produce a full range of hardwood products. from logs and lumber to chips, pulpwood, and value-added products, serving customers in more than forty states and thirty-five countries, generating more than seventy-five million in annual sales. Today, I come before you as a proud member of an industry facing significant challenges. US hardwood lumber production has fallen from twelve billion board feet in two thousand to roughly four billion board feet in twenty, twenty-five, driven largely by low-cost imports and substitute products, Hundreds of rural saw mills and pulp mills have closed as a result, and in just the last five years the industry has lost more than forty thousand jobs. Despite these challenges, I believe our industry remains optimistic about the future of American hardwoods, because we understand a simple truth. Americans are deeply connected to their forests, and healthy forests are only possible when strong, reliable wood products markets make active management economically feasible. Well-structured federal programs and policies can help rebuild demand for American wood products, while supporting our rural economies and forest health. Federal innovation programs already demonstrate what's possible. Efforts like the Farm Builds, Wood Innovation and Community Wood Grant program help manufacturers modernize equipment adopt advanced technologies, and bring new value-added hardwood products to market. Bingaman is proud to be Pennsylvania's first manufacturer of thermally modified hardwood lumber and we are now a partner in advancing emerging, hardwood, mass timber applications. With assistance from the USDA and the US Forest Service, we've invested over twenty million dollars in modernizing our material handling systems expanding kiln drying capacity and implementing AI-enabled lumber inspection technology. These investments have improved our efficiencies, addressed workforce challenges, and strengthened our ability to remain resilient in rapidly changing global markets. But innovation only reaches its full potential when paired with strong reliable markets, and that's where federal policy plays a critical role. Federal procurement is one of the most direct tools available. When federal agencies build, renovate, or furnish facilities, American hardwoods should be prioritized. This aligns with recommendations advanced by the National Hardwood Lumber Association, sets an example for state, local, and institutional investment, and ensures loc- taxpayer dollars support domestic hardwood manufacturers, our forest landowners, and our rural communities. A targeted tax incentive would further strengthen demand and encourage broader adoption of sustainable domestically produced wood products. Wood innovation grants that strengthen the Real American Hardwood Coalition boost consumer and specifier aw- demand and awareness while abroad the American Hardwood Export Council funded through the USDA's Market Access and Foreign Market Development program expands markets reduces trade barriers and grows global demand for American hardwoods. Research investments should be increased and coupled with a stronger results-driven commercialization strategy to accelerate the transfer of promising forest products laboratory innovations into marketable products. Workforce development also remains essential. Programs like the Jobs in the Woods Act and the RISE program will support training models shaped by employers responsive to modern skill demands and capable of preparing workers for the full forest product supply chain. Bioenergy and renewable fuel markets offer another opportunity to create demand for low grade wood mill residuals and forest restoration material. Updating the renewable fuel standard to allow woody biomass from public and private lands to qualify as RIN eligible feedstock will create exciting new renewable fuel markets while supporting forest resilience. However, as we work to strengthen those long-term foundations, short-term stability also matters. The proposed twelve billion dollar agricultural relief package includes two hundred million dollars designated for hardwood manufacturers. This will provide critical short-term support to businesses as they continue to navigate economic uncertainty. We appreciate the Hardwood Federation and Chairman Thompson's leadership in ensuring hardwoods were included in this package and look forward to its passage. A stronger future for the American hardwood industry depends on vibrant, well-functioning markets that reward innovation, support existing infrastructure, sustain our rural communities, and keep forest landowners engaged and the active management our forests desperately need. Thank you to the committee for your leadership on these issu- issues, your support of rural manufacturing, and your commitment to America's working forests. I look forward to your questions.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)42:41 – 42:47

Thank you. Mister Frank, your, Frankie, your may begin your testimony when ready, please.

Chad Franke (Witness)42:47 – 47:45

OK. Mister uh Mister Chairman, Ranking Member Craig, and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today. My name is Chad Franke and I serve as President of Rocky Mountain Farmers Union, representing over fourteen thousand family farmers and ranchers across Wyoming Colorado and New Mexico. I also serve on the board of National Farmers Union. I grew up on a fifth generation farm and cattle ranch in northeastern Colorado. My wife and I created and operated a Berkshire pork business and a feed mill before selling that and moving to central Wyoming several years ago. Today's hearing is about building demand. We need strong local and regional markets, new opportunities for farmers and ranchers, and stable export markets. But demand alone is not enough if farmers and ranchers cannot capture the value of that demand. Family farmers and ranchers have been under tremendous economic pressure for decades and are at a breaking point. Congress has had to repeatedly step in with emergency assistance because decades of failed farm policy has not addressed the underlying causes of farm income instability. Family farmers and ranchers want fair markets, not government payments. One of the biggest barriers to creating new opportunities is the lack of fair and competitive markets. Recently, I spoke with a colleague about building a USDA inspected facility. capable of processing about two hundred head of cattle per day. This would be for a source-verified, state-branded beef product. On paper, the investment makes sense. In practice, it will probably never be built. The reason is not a lack of cattle. It is not a lack of consumer demand. It is not a lack of profitability. It is uncertainty created by a marketplace dominated by a handful of large companies with enormous market power. as recognized by President Trump and Secretary Rollins. When people do not believe they can compete on a level playing field, they won't put their investment at risk. When investment in new ideas stops, we miss opportunities to meet local demand for homegrown products. We see the same challenges at RMFU's Cooperative Development Center, where we help evaluate new business opportunities to build stronger local economies and the demand this hearing is about. But too often, good ideas run into the same obstacle. Highly concentrated or unstable markets make the dollars not work. That is why increasing demand and increasing competition must go hand in hand. Congress should protect and strengthen the Packers and Stockyard Act to bring more accountability to the large meat packers. reinstate mandatory country of origin labeling so the beef the for beef so the consumers know where their product comes from and American ranchers gain that recognition for their products. Continue the efforts to strengthen antitrust enforcement across the economy. These are not separate issues from demand. They are essential to ensuring that demand actually benefits family farmers and ranchers. We should also continue investing in local and regional food systems. Many farmers union members expanded production and invested in the equipment necessary to serve schools and food banks through USDA's local food pr- purchasing initiatives Those programs created stable markets and helped growers connect with their communities. When the programs were cancelled last year, Not only did it hurt the communities that they were serving, but many farmers were left with the lost markets and lost investment dollars. That experience highlights an important lesson. Building new markets takes time, financing, consistency, and commitments. Farmers need confidence that successful programs and markets will not disappear overnight, or be taken from them. The House Farm Bill authorizes these local foods efforts and is a good start, and we'll thank we're thankful for their inclusion. Family farmers and ranchers are always looking for ways to create more value, develop new markets, and meet consumer demand. We are ready to do our part. But if we want more investment, more processing, more local foods, and better opportunities for American agriculture, we need markets that are fair, competitive, and stable. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you and I look forward to any questions.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)47:45 – 48:31

Thank you, Mr. Franklin. At this time, members will be recognized for questions in the order of seniority, alternating between majority and minority members, and in the order of arrival for those who joined us after the hearing convened. You'll be recognized for five minutes e- each in order to allow us to get uh to as many questions as possible. I recognize myself for five minutes. Uh, Mr. Johnson. Would you set the scene for us on some of the unique challenges the cotton industry is facing today? Uh from your perspective, how do you see the Buying American Cotton Act mitigating some of those challenges and further benefiting the entire cotton supply chain, from the producer to the consumer, and in particular the unfair competition we deal with the Chinese and what's going on in the ginning industry?

Patrick Johnson (Witness)48:32 – 50:07

Okay. I uh the cotton industry, cotton production, just like many other uh crops, producers are facing uh ever-increasing input cost. We have uh USDA projects that in two thousand twenty seven uh uh per acre cost for uh cotton will exceed a thousand dollars for the first time and that'll be a that would be a record high uh cotton has a very uh require specialized equipment, a a cotton picker costs one point two million dollars, or a stripper that is used in Oklahoma and Texas close to a million dollars. It has a single purpose. And uh so our market it's really haven't kept up with that. Baca, uh we have two major challenges, Brazil has come on and is now the number one exporter of cotton that we compete with, uh and also synthetic fibers are or our other competition. And Baca works to incentivize uh brands and retailers first of all to use cotton rather than synthetics and in particular to use uh US cotton and if you look at that, uh in my testimony we're using eighteen million bales, buying eighteen million bales worth of cotton in this country, only four million is US, but there's an addi additional twenty-two million bales of polyester of synthetic fibers that's being used. So Uh Baca helped shift uh some of that market share back to cotton and in particular US cotton.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)50:08 – 50:37

Miss Taylor, wheat is one of Oklahoma's top export commodities. And I know my wheat farmers in Oklahoma see the value in market promotion programs like MAP and FMD. In your opinion, how will the investments made into these programs from the Working Families Tax Cuts Act and the Farm Food and National Security Act help expand markets abroad and provide greater certainty for farmers who are dealing with tough commodity prices here uh at home.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)50:39 – 51:32

Thank you Congressman. I think for those market development programs that are based at USDA, what we have found is they are highly effective. Um Texas A and M did a study a few years ago that found for every one dollar in those export promotion programs invested from USDA about twenty-four dollars and fifty cents of US exports resulted. I don't know about you, I wish my portfolio performed that well. Um and so I think what we find is while there are federal dollars invested in these programs, industry also comes to the table to invest their own resources into um opening markets, addressing technical issues, um building consumer trust, uh building consumer knowledge. And so we find them highly effective uh programs and um I think it's an important part of the overall economic picture is having reliable uh predictable markets for US um agricultural products all over the world.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)51:33 – 51:58

Mister Curry, your testimony notes that the most effective way to bring down beef prices is to rebuild the domestic cattle herd. Producers in turn are making difficult decisions today, knowing that rebuilding the herd is a long-term investment that they may not see the benefits of for several years. In your view, what can Congress do now, if anything, to support producers as they work to rebuild the domestic beef cattle herd.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)51:59 – 52:51

Uh thank you for the question, Congressman. I think the most important thing is stability in the market that we uh don't have changing regulations as we go along every time a a regulation is is changed after we make a decision it interferes with our long-term plans so we're very thankful for ha having stability um we we very much want to regulations that are consistent and fair. Um we that's part of the reason we support so strongly the the voluntary USA label, so that we can promote our product and not be burdened with a high cost that would come from from some kind of mandatory program. Uh those type of programs um do not benefit the average cattleman in the long run, but uh voluntary programs that we can use to our advantage are what really help us. Thank you.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)52:52 – 53:10

Mister Franke, I'm out of time, but I'm much calmer now thanks to local volunteer firemen than the last time we were together. I would ask you to respond in writing to that question, I uh just asked Mister Curry, when you have a chance. With that uh my time's expired, I now recognize the ranking member for five minutes for questions.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)53:10 – 54:01

Thank you so much uh Mister Chairman. Um Mister Franke, let me start with you, uh while there are a number of good farm policy changes contained within the house version of the farm You've remarked to the press that the farm bill passed by the House would have little impact on farmers' bottom lines in the midst of a very serious economic downturn. You've also noted that farmers have become in re increasingly reliant on ad-hoc payments. Um, what would you like to see changed in federal farm safety net policy to help mitigate the reliance and then you know further what policies that may not be included in the uh farm bill one way or the other are impacting the need for these payments. So really two part question.

Chad Franke (Witness)54:03 – 55:14

Yeah. Uh thank you for that question. Um our position is the underlying uh food and farm policy contained in both versions passed by this house and being debated later today in the senate. Um really accentuates that it is decades of failed farm and food policy. Um the prices that um our producers get for their products, they don't get any say in that. Um what they pay for their input costs, they don't get any say in. They are price-takers, not price-makers. So we really need some policy that supports them, that cannot uh make their own prices. Um Over the last ten years uh we are very thankful that we've gotten it, but the hundred billion dollars of ad-hoc emergency uh payments just goes to show that the underlying farm economy is not working. Uh one thing that we could add, we have a program called I'mset that's a voluntary uh supply management that would benefit soil health. It's also uh driven by the producers and not by

Rep. Craig (MN-2)55:31 – 55:39

Mister Franke, has um Mister Franke, has um has USMCA been in the round good for the American farmer? has USMCA been, in the round, good for the American farmer?

Chad Franke (Witness)55:42 – 55:44

USMCA.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)55:44 – 55:46

The Mexico-Canada Trade Agreement.

Chad Franke (Witness)55:44 – 56:24

Sorry, I'm throwing out a name. Yes, um they're a good trading partner. Um I believe overall it is. Um however, I disagree with my colleague from Colorado. Um I believe that uh the burden is not large on mandatory country of origin labeling. And um the actions to reduce or uh remove M cool in twenty fifteen um as a result of a World Trade Organization action, I don't think was beneficial to our family farmers and ranchers. I think it was beneficial to those who process the meat. And I would ask as we negotiate USMCA that MQ will be included in that.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)56:24 – 56:30

D do you think we should renegotiate USMCA? Mexico and Canada are important trading partners for us.

Chad Franke (Witness)56:30 – 56:37

I believe that we do need good trading partners, um and I do believe we should uh renegotiate USMCA.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)56:37 – 57:28

Thank you. Um I wanna turn to Miss Taylor now. Uh last year Republicans cut about a hundred and eighty-seven billion from the SNAP program. So far five million Americans have lost access to those benefits, including one point five million children. Uh in fact in Minnesota, seventy-seven percent of those who've lost SNAP since the bill passed are children. Uh that's not just the millions of Americans, but producers and grocers, too are going to suffer financially. That one hundred and eighty-seven billion dollar cut actually translates to about twenty-five billion in lost revenue to farmers. Can you explain just a little bit about how snap dollars drive domestic demand, and how can Congress attempt to prevent this impending harm to American producers and consumers?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)57:30 – 58:09

Thank you, Ranking Member Craig. Um, as we think about um producer profitability, markets domestically are a key part of that. Um at the same time we're balancing that the vast majority, nine out of ten Americans do not meet the minimum recommendations. So a priority for IFPA and our members are how do we get more fruits and vegetables to American consumers all over the country. Um one of our big priorities is around incentives. Um we know and we have data and evidence to back up that incentives do encourage uh additional consumption. why um one of our priorities in the farm bill was the Gusnett program, double up bucks, um and that because we have seen that to be highly effective.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)58:07 – 58:08

Yeah.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)58:10 – 58:34

Um I think another area that we're really focused on uh from the fresh produce perspective is in school meals is getting more fruits and vegetables to those students um every single day uh not just because they um are it is an important market for our producers, but also because that access and diversity of access uh from a very young age um really grow lifelong consumers of uh fresh fruits and vegetables.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)58:34 – 58:41

But, Mister Taylor, I'm out of time, so I'm gonna have to say that as a mother of four, I appreciate your efforts. Uh and Mister Chairman, I yield back.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)58:41 – 58:46

Ranking members' time has expired. The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Georgia for five minutes, Mister Scott.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)58:47 – 59:03

Thank you Mister Chairman. And um Mister Currier, Mister Lucas asked uh basically the same question that I had. Um for you, but I wanna reiterate that the US cow herd is at a is a seventy five year low, is that correct?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)59:04 – 59:05

Yes, that's true.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)59:06 – 59:54

And um one of my concerns as I listen and talk with my producers back home is that um, you know, as as we continue to sell uh heifers and other things, it's kind of like when you have a a CD and you're eating into your principal sometimes, and I I worry about you know, the long-term implications of that for some of our for our individual producers. But it it's um i i it it's hard for me to believe i and I was at an auction a couple of weeks ago at the Turner County Stockyards what a calf that was gonna have to be bottle-fed, that was just a couple of days old, sold for at that auction. And I would just when you've been to auctions, what have you seen these calves sell for that are under a week old?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)59:56 – 1:00:02

Well I I never sell calves under a week old, but I I know this last year there were some that were selling a local auction barn

Rep. Craig (MN-2)59:59 – 59:59

Well

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:00:02 – 1:00:05

for over a thousand dollars so they are valuable.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:00:05 – 1:00:08

How ma how many years have you been in the cattle business?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:00:09 – 1:00:15

Uh I've been in it all my life. I got out of college in nineteen seventy six and went immediately back to work on the ranch with my parents.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:00:16 – 1:00:21

Fair fair enough. Uh have you ever seen a calf that could hardly walk sell for a thousand dollars?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:00:21 – 1:00:26

I I've seen calves that could hardly walk, sell for ten or twenty dollars and so yeah,

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:00:26 – 1:00:26

Yeah.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:00:26 – 1:00:28

thousand dollars is pretty amazing.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:00:28 – 1:00:47

Yeah, I've I've sold cows at sixty cents a pound after I fed 'em all winter long. But uh you mentioned the the nature of uh you know as w as we see this press for for the mandatory country of origin labeling you're you're supportive of voluntary

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:00:48 – 1:00:48

Yes.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:00:48 – 1:01:02

correct? And that's what most of the cattlemen that I talk to or in favor of as a voluntary, because if you go mandatory you basically have to go with the digital tags where somebody knows that animal is one hundred percent of the time, is that correct?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:01:02 – 1:01:09

Well I think if if a mandatory program was going to have any credibility, it would have to be tire tied to some kind of identification.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:01:10 – 1:02:47

I I I do too, and that's one one of my concerns is is all of those increased costs falling back on the producers so uh I appreciate you being here that's good living when you get to ride around with range. pellets in the back of your trucks and uh and uh share that with the next generation. Uh Miss Taylor, you stressed that non-tariff trade barriers like burdensome certifications and inconsistent residue standards can shut US gro growers out of key markets. Um I can tell you in the timber industry we've seen this specifically with the European Union and their deforestation regulation, and and the European Union's selective enforcement of uh who they apply it to and and choose not to apply it to. Uh the Trump administration's been working to eliminate the non-tariff trade barriers and the selective enforcement of trade barriers uh over the course of the past year uh trade deals such as US Ecuador agreement and and other reciprocal trade uh have removed or formed burdensome non-tariff trai trade barriers such as licensing licensing and facility registration. Can you talk more about the importance of removing the non-tariff trade barriers and the positive implications that these actions are having on producers? And I would just suggest to people who who don't deal with trade, the non-tariff trade barriers are harder to deal with than the tariff. If a tariff is ten percent, it's ten percent. If it's twenty percent, it's twenty percent. It's the non-tar you can at least see it. It's these non-tariff trade barriers that continue to hamper our producers.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:02:50 – 1:03:43

Um Congressman Scott, uh absolutely, I think one one of the things with non-tariff barriere tariff non-tariff trade barriers that are so challenging to your point exactly um they can limit access full stop uh for uh a variety of especially crops fresh fruits and vegetables to export markets and so really tackling those in a systemic way one that is science is a huge priority. And there are a variety of programs at USDA and tools USDA has that are critical to this. So task, technical assistance to specialty crops with uh which this committee uh passed and expanded. That funding was critically important. Also a program at USDA known as the ACE program, the assisting specialty crop export program, another tool to try and tackle some of those non-tariff barriers um which again can fully limit access to that market so they are critically important in tackling them for the produce industry. is key to developing those markets that we need.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:03:43 – 1:03:43

Mm-hmm.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:03:44 – 1:04:05

I I know people are frustrated with trade and and other things. I'll tell you as someone who's actually been in the room, we we want science-based and transparent trade negotiations. And uh unfortunately what gets reported more oftentimes than not is a is a one-sided story from someone who simply doesn't like our president.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:04:04 – 1:04:06

Gentlemen, time has expired.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:04:05 – 1:04:07

And so uh with that I yield.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:04:07 – 1:04:10

Gentleman yields back. The chair now recognizes the gentleman

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:04:14 – 1:04:25

Thank you, Mister Chairman, um thank you to our witnesses uh for being here today. Um at the Freeport, Illinois, fast stop today. Gas is four dollars and fifty-eight cents a gallon.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:04:25 – 1:04:26

Mm.

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:04:25 – 1:06:59

Diesel there is six dollars and thirty cents a gallon. The policies of the Trump administration are taking farm country to the end of its rope. As harvest season gets underway, farmers in my district have been undercut by Trump's reckless trade policy, tariffs, and his war with Iran. I recently visited Eastland Feed and Grain in Shandyn, Illinois, population one thousand, and the war in Iran has spiked their fuel costs so much that they're trying to figure out how to pass on nearly ten thousand dollars of extra fuel costs every month. When farmers tell me that they can't take much more, We now have a tit-for-tat trade war with Canada. What that means is we we need the import potash from Saskatchewan. That's input costs for next season. We export ethanol to Canada, our neighbors to the north, they need it. And so this new trade war, the effects remain to be seen. But one thing is for sure, no one back home Asked for this. I will say as my blood pressure rises, um, the sky isn't completely cloudy. Um, forgive me, I'm the weatherman in Congress. Um, a ray of light does shine, um, as a new opportunity for year-round E fifteen exists. Um, you know, I I fought so hard here in this committee room, um, in our farm bill mark-up to make sure that E fifteen would not be left out. And I'm so happy that it still remains um in our discussions today. You know, I've been asking people at gas stations um all across my district and here just the other day right on Southeast Pennsylvania Avenue, um what they think about E fifteen. Well, a lot of people don't know what it is, when I tell them what it is and what it means for our farmers, what it means for people at the pump, it's a complete win-win. Um The truth is, it also helps our economy. Um, to Doctor Buck. Two weeks ago I didn't think that w- my first question to you would be a trade war with Canada but here we go. Uh, Canada matched Trump's recent tariffs dollar for dollar, uh rate for rate. Um, it's a hit to Illinois' economy by more than a billion dollars. Um, are you concerned that the administration's reckless and unnecessary trade war with Canada uh could affect the certainty of our ethanol market?

Alex Buck (Witness)1:07:01 – 1:07:27

I appreciate your question. Uh, I would say the Plant-based Products Council, we're broadly supportive of the biofuels industry, but we focus primarily on non-feed and non-fuel products. However, a lot of the uh fuel uh can also be used as an input for chemical markets, and so anything that increases uh the cost of production can be a challenge in terms of commercializing a technology that will allow consumers to benefit excuse me benefit from bio-products.

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:07:27 – 1:07:43

Right. So for instance, in my district there's an ethanol plant in Peoria, Illinois that takes corn ethanol, and now they're manufacturing a homegrown nail polish remover. Didn't know that we could do that until just a couple of years ago. How can we make sure that this is a a part of our economy going forward?

Alex Buck (Witness)1:07:45 – 1:08:20

Uh, the most impactful ways that we can imp expand and impact these sorts of markets is to ensure that we have uh commercializable pilot scale and demonstration facilities. We have a lot of uh laboratory uh technology, we have a lot of opportunities in commercialized scale, but these new technologies need to be demonstrated in a mid-tier size. And so that's where the um Agriculture, Bio-refinery, Innovation and Opportunity Act or the Ag-Bio Act I mentioned, uh can re-establish cost share for these pre-commercial opportunities, as well as the loan guarantees to help make that scale.

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:08:21 – 1:08:21

Dang.

Alex Buck (Witness)1:08:21 – 1:08:28

There is a huge amount of scaling outside of the United States. And if you can't start your scaling inside the United States,

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:08:28 – 1:08:28

Love it.

Alex Buck (Witness)1:08:28 – 1:08:30

you can't commercialize inside the United States.

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:08:29 – 1:08:42

Thank you, sir. Um, I have my time remaining is uh minimize or maximize the to Under Secretary Alexis Taylor, I just wanted to talk with you about LFPA. Do you support mandatory LFPA being reinstated?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:08:43 – 1:08:57

Congressman, um, IFPA is supportive of market developments wherever they be, and I think local markets are an important uh component, particularly where we when we can leverage local and regional uh supply chains to bring that local produce uh to consumers in their communities.

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:08:57 – 1:08:58

So you do support it?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:08:58 – 1:09:10

Um we had many members uh utilize that program and from what we understand over half actually went to fresh produce um and so it was a very important program I think for many of our members who participated in LFPA.

Rep. Sorensen (IL-17)1:09:10 – 1:09:13

Let's make sure that we keep that in it. Mister Chairman I yield back.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:09:13 – 1:09:19

Gentleman yields back. The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Washington State. Uh Mister Newhouse for five minutes.

Rep. Newhouse (WA-4)1:09:19 – 1:11:15

Well thank you Chairman Lucas. Um Chairman Thompson, Ranking Member Craig, thanks for having this very, very important hearing. Um, and also thank our witnesses for making the effort to come here today. Appreciate very much your input. You know, as a former Director of Agriculture to the de- State to the North, uh, uh, Miss Taylor, um, and also a farmer, I, I, I think I can say I relate to what's, uh, what all you guys are talking about. I've, I understand very well the uh, necessities of both domestic and foreign markets and enhancing our ability of our producers to find those markets. Uh, that's why I and others successfully led the legislation to literally double our funding for the market access and foreign market, the development programs, which we're very proud of and it was long overdue. So I'm ha- happy to report that. Um, so let me ask you a couple questions. First of all, I'll start with you, Miss Taylor. Um, you know, in my conversations and work with the current administration, uh, I'm very happy to report that I've seen an increased interest and focus on specialty crops and it's something that we've been working very much to gain that kind of, um, awareness of the importance of that part of the agricultural industry. Could you tell us a little bit maybe more about what you hope to see out of this administration in terms of the market access that we should work towards for especially crop producers um and maybe particularly in terms of you know you mentioned some of those, but some of the non-tariff barriers that uh that we should be working on. Um and I appreciate your uh y y you mentioned that in your testimony, but if you could delve into that a little bit more.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:11:16 – 1:11:30

Certainly. Thank you, Congressman Newhouse. I think it's an important question. Um, you know, we think about market development both here at home uh and that is why some of our large priorities about how do we expand consumption here, right? Only nine out of ten Americans do not meet the minimum

Rep. Newhouse (WA-4)1:11:28 – 1:11:29

Good job.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:11:30 – 1:12:06

recommendations um t for fruit and vegetable consumption. So how can we get more Americans uh more fruits and vegetables on Americans' plates? Um, as we look to overseas uh I think developing uh those markets are really important. Uh, the programs you mentioned, MAP and FMD, critical to that where the industry comes together, uh leverages federal dollars to be able to uh provide consumer information, build awareness of these specialty crops in these markets. Uh task is another really critical uh component to addressing some of these non-tariff barriers. Um a tariff a non-tariff barrier can keep products out of a market wholesale.

Rep. Newhouse (WA-4)1:12:06 – 1:12:06

Yeah.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:12:06 – 1:12:20

And so tackling these very challenging technical issues and having resources and programs to do that is I think vital to the specialty crop uh uh um industry to be able to, not just open the market, but then build that awareness through programs like Map and FMD.

Rep. Newhouse (WA-4)1:12:20 – 1:12:46

Yeah. Thank you very much. Um, to kind of stay on that uh thread uh uh that thought, Mister Shields, welcome. I'm shocked somebody from Pennsylvania is here, but uh good to see you. Um, you you mentioned also in your testimony similar to m Miss Taylor about the Map and FMD programs. Could you expand on how that has uh been helpful to producers in the lumber industry.

Tyler Shields (Witness)1:12:48 – 1:13:50

Yeah, so, you know, for us, really the American Hardware Export Council is a huge component of giving, getting access to those markets, and they do a great job in a couple of ways, I'll say. Number one, they're out there representing the industry as a whole, going to emerging markets where it might not be feasible yet for companies to maybe go out there and market themselves, but they're connecting the industry with opportunities. But also, they're a great uh conduit to work through issues that we find with non-tariff barriers and trade barriers. Example being uh Turkey, for example, just had a wholesale ban on the importation of oak products from anywhere that has oak wilt and AHEC was really important in communicating that information and keeping the market up to date and similarly they're very active with issues related to EUDR and the European Union uh some of the uh aspects of that policy just you know, they want a geo-located uh tag for every piece of wood fiber that could go into a tablet of paper like this.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:13:50 – 1:13:51

Mm.

Tyler Shields (Witness)1:13:51 – 1:14:08

When you think about a log, okay, we know where that's harvested, but how many logs go into creating this piece of paper or this tablet? And so those sorts of things a and the support that's offered through those programs are really helpful to th to the industry 'cause you you can't work through those issues yourself as just a stand-alone company.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:14:08 – 1:14:08

Mm.

Rep. Newhouse (WA-4)1:14:08 – 1:14:27

Yeah, I appreciate that. Well, um five minutes goes by quickly, but I just wanna express my appreciation to every single one of you for coming and talking about some of the not only opportunities we have but the necessity of trying to get some profitability built back into our agricultural industry. So thank you all for being here. Mister Chairman, now Yield back.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:14:28 – 1:14:32

Gentleman Yields back. The chair now turns to the gentleman from Illinois, Mister Jackson, for five minutes of questions.

Rep. Costa (CA-21)1:14:32 – 1:14:34

Yes, sir. Um sorry.

Rep. Jackson (IL-1)1:14:34 – 1:14:38

Thank you, Mister Chairman. Can I pass at this time? I just stepped in.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:14:38 – 1:14:39

Absolutely.

Rep. Newhouse (WA-4)1:14:38 – 1:14:39

You're back, sir.

Rep. Lucas (OK-3)1:14:39 – 1:14:46

The chair now turns to the gentlelady from Oregon, Mrs. Salinas for five minutes, if you please.

Rep. Salinas (OR-6)1:14:46 – 1:16:29

Uh thank you, Chair Lucas, Oh, well, okay, questions. um thank you to the chair and the ranking member for holding today's hearing, and thank you to our panelists and especially to Ms. Taylor who I know has had a number of years in Oregon, so thank you. Um Oregon has been hit really hard on trade and tariffs um this past couple of years. Miss Taylor, I'd like to discuss Oregon wine for a minute. You are familiar with the industry from your time um at Oregon's Department of Ag. Canada has historically been the most lucrative export market for Oregon wine. Last week I sat down with our wine producers who share that their sales are down eighty-three percent from last year. I wanna say that one more time, I want everyone to hear that, eighty-three percent to Canada, our largest export market. The picture is the same on the national level. In twenty twenty four the US ran a two hundred and fifty four million dollar wine trade surplus with Canada but in twenty twenty five, that turned into a ninety million dollar deficit. In response to tariffs enacted by the Trump administration, Canadian stores retaliated and pulled Oregon wine off their shelves. I've also had trouble um and I've heard from again our producers who have had trouble getting corks, barrels and glass bottles at a reasonable price as a direct result of these tariffs. These wineries, these are small family-owned businesses who cannot simply pivot and try to find domestic markets when their export markets are disrupted. Effective on the twenty-ninth of this month, the administration is banning Canadian wine and spirits from entering the country. So, Miss Taylor, you opened markets for a living at USDA. Once a market like Canada is lost, approximately how many years does it take to win it back?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:16:32 – 1:17:12

Thank you, Congresswoman Salinas. Um I think it is a real challenge once a market is lost. We have seen this over the years. Um consumers develop n recognition, particularly I think for a branded product um like wine. Um they develop different um um per uh purchasing um and I think it is very challenging um once those markets are lost. I do think that is why some of these programs like MapFMD for the specialty crop sector in particular task is are so important, um because once you are out of that market these these programs can be leveraged to help build that consumer awareness, but re- try to rebuild back some of that consumer demand.

Rep. Salinas (OR-6)1:17:12 – 1:17:27

Thank you. Um so just a follow-up. Map and FMD did exist last year, correct? Okay, um you're nodding yes. They did not stop an eighty-three percent drop in sales for Oregon wine. Is that correct?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:17:29 – 1:17:29

Correct.

Rep. Salinas (OR-6)1:17:29 – 1:17:49

That is correct. Okay. So has the Trump administration or did the Trump administration in any way that you know of work with the wine industry or any of these agricultural products to develop alternative markets to replace Canada as their export sales?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:17:49 – 1:18:22

Uh, co- Congresswoman, I can't speak to the wine industry specifically. Um but I will say um that is part of what these pr MapFMD programs are. Um they are year over year, so that can be challenging, um projects in a snapshot in time. Additional program um that was created several years ago is known as the RAP program, the Regional Agriculture Promotion Program, which allowed the industry to actually fund projects over a five year window, which gives them a lot more ability to fi fund some of these long-term projects. Um and that I think has also been useful as they look f to diversify markets around the world.

Rep. Salinas (OR-6)1:18:23 – 1:19:56

And that is what I'm hearing right now from my ag industry and our specialty crops is that they need some stability right now and some predictability. So, um, staying with you, Miss Taylor. Uh, the Market Access Program and the Foreign Market Development Program are great, and I'm so glad they are still standing. I wanna be clear about what they can and cannot do. Canada bought twenty-eight billion of American farm products last year. It's our second largest market behind only Mexico. In August, the USMCA negotiations collapsed. And on September eighth, Canada put tariffs of fifteen, twenty-five and fifty percent on twenty billion dollars of our goods. The same day, this administration escalated again. So the federal government is spending real money to promote American products in markets, it is destroying with tariffs. And that is the contradiction here at the center of this discussion and this hearing. And last week I held a trade round table lots of organizations from around Oregon, but many producers, and I heard the same recurring theme. Trade relationships take decades to build, and stable market access is not easy to come by. A grower builds these relationships over years to earn a buyer's trust, and some of that work was funded by these very programs. And these relationships have been wiped out in a year. by this administration that is presumably trying to help. They are not helping. They are hurting my farmers in Oregon. And I'll leave it there.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:20:00 – 1:20:05

General Lee Yopes back. Now recognize the General Lee from Illinois for uh five minutes.

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:20:07 – 1:21:21

Thank you, Mister Chairman, for hosting this hearing, and thank you to our witnesses for being here today. As many of us on the committee know, harvest season just around the corner. In fact, my my guys are at home in the tractors. Total farm output has nearly tripled since nineteen forty eight with many thanks to the continuous innovation in seed genetics and farm equipment. My husband and I run a fourth generation family farm, and like many of you on this panel, I have a diverse operation that includes both row crops and cattle. Miss Taylor, thank you for being here. Illinois utilizes a hundred and four acres to grow fresh produce across three thousand two hundred farms. A sizable amount of the harvested produce is transported on refrigerated trucks. In the first quarter of twenty twenty-five, the US shipped around nine point three million tons of fresh fruit and vegetables on trucks. Given the dependence on trucks on trucking, I want to talk more about how this Congress can better invest and build a more reliable transportation network for our producers. Would you please expand on that?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:21:23 – 1:21:25

Congresswoman, um, thank you for that question.

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:21:24 – 1:21:24

Mm-hmm.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:21:25 – 1:21:33

I I would say, you know, the supply chain and supply chain reliability is so important for uh for the specially cropped sector.

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:21:32 – 1:21:33

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:21:33 – 1:22:16

Uh, from the moment uh that produce is harvested to the moment a consumer buys it u and uses it, we're under really time constraints, right? Mm-hmm. Um because of the perishable nature. Mm-hmm. Uh many of the products that are being harvested in the field go directly into ref- refrigerated trucks so I think having reliable infrastructure uh roads, bridges, ports, Mm-hmm. uh rail all become a really important part of how um we can ensure that fresh produce gets to consumers in the fastest uh time frame possible. I would also say that um the fresh produce industry is uh more maybe one of the most sensitive to fuel costs increases because those trucks are refrigerated and running on diesel fuel and so costs

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:22:14 – 1:22:15

Yeah.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:22:16 – 1:22:20

there hit us first and hit us more often at more stages in that supply chain.

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:22:20 – 1:22:41

Mm-hmm. You mentioned in your testimony that without access to reliable cold chain and transportation infrastructure perishable US produce is un- unable to enter global markets risking quality and freshness. Can you talk about our ports of entry? upon this issue of refrigerator transportation.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:22:41 – 1:23:40

Absolutely, uh Congresswoman, as we think about uh sending US uh grown fresh produce to other parts of the world, cold chain becomes even uh more of a challenge and even more important. Um ports of entry, if they don't have reliable cold chain to move that product into, right, the degradation of that product just accelerates. Um we're also seeing for several parts of the world increased time on the water, uh which also then uh becomes a challenge, so FAS, the US uh USDA foreign agricultural service, um actually has a program which has been highly underutilized that they have worked to try to reform it um several times over the years um but just to haven't been able to really get it to be utilized which would invest in um cold chain and infrastructure airports to bri be able to bring in US grown products. And so I think there are some tools out there that we would welcome the opportunity to kind of look at to see if we can better utilize those programs. to be able to move US uh fresh produce, fruits and vegetables into those markets.

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:23:41 – 1:24:25

That's great. We'll look forward to um continued conversations on that and how we can work with you. Mister Currier, thank you for being here. I wanna talk about family farming. You mentioned in your biography how you're a fourth generation to work your family farm. Your son is fifth generation. Congratulations. You also mentioned how your parents were both very involved in various church, civics, and farm organizations. Mister Currier, you have also been involved in several committees or task forces for the local school district and chaired the advisory committee for the local FFA program. Can you speak about the importance of raising the next generation of family farmers?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:24:26 – 1:24:39

Well, absolutely. Congresswoman, thank you for the question. Um if we're going to have continue to to ha have viable agriculture in the future, it's hugely important that we do uh get our young people involved and

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:24:35 – 1:24:40

Mm-hmm. Mm.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:24:39 – 1:25:06

we make all the possibilities available to for them to continue in in farming. I think um both for those who are children of of farmers and ranchers and coming back to the farm need to have the ability to do that, but I'm also very concerned about uh being able to to bring new and beginning farmers into the into the business. There are I I know what Colorado State University,

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:25:02 – 1:25:03

Mm-hmm.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:25:06 – 1:25:28

our land grant in Colorado, uh the actual majority of the ag majors in the college agriculture today are not traditional uh farm family members. They're they're people that are interested in agriculture, that are are interested in getting in the business, and they need a lot of help and assistance in getting em involved. And that's you know, that's our future.

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:25:29 – 1:25:37

Absolutely, and considering the age of the average farmer um and the possible largest Oh.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:25:37 – 1:25:38

Good. Good to finish your thought.

Rep. Miller (IL-15)1:25:38 – 1:25:54

L the largest turnover of land um possibly in the history of the world in light of um what's going on in the future with farm farmland, I think we need to look for ways to allow our young people to get into the industry. Thank you, and I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:25:55 – 1:25:59

Okay, well ladies time expired, recognized gentlemen. Illinois, Mr. Jackson, for five minutes.

Rep. Jackson (IL-1)1:26:00 – 1:28:00

Thank you, Ranking Member Craig. Thank you, Chairman Thompson. Mister Chairman, when we talk about increasing demand and opportunity for homegrown products, uh, here and abroad, we should begin with a basic principle of markets. You cannot strengthen the American farmer by making his inputs more expensive and his customers harder to reach. Yet that is precisely the danger created by this Trump administration's trade policy. For example, in twenty twenty five American agriculture exports to China fell sixty-six percent, all because of policy, not because of the hard work of the farmers. The farmers were taken out of growing markets. USDA specifically associates that decline with reciprocal tariffs and reduced Chinese demand for American soybeans. This was policy Once again, that has hurt the American farmer. Uh, look at the other side. Tariffs affects imports on our fertilizer, the machinery costs, equipment, and other inputs. This year, farmers have confronted particularly sharp increases in the fertilizer, all because of an unnecessary war. So, think of this as a as an investor would. Your costs are rising, your export opportunities have been disrupted, your margins are narrowing, and your debt is accumulating. Chapter twelve bankruptcies have reached an all-time high in twenty twenty five under these trade policies. It's forty six higher percent higher this year than it was last year. And I'm still trying to find the opportunity. So that's why I want to direct the question to you, Mister Buck. Uh, Doctor Buck, thank you for your service. Um, and the bioeconomy as a new chapter, a new pillar for growth for agriculture beyond the food, the fuel, and the uh feed. Farmers in my district can paint the picture of what this means. How does turning their corn into soybean into plant-based new products uh benefit the United States?

Alex Buck (Witness)1:28:02 – 1:28:55

Uh, thank you very much for your question. Uh, right now the US economy uh the bioeconomy adds about four hundred and eighty-nine billion dollars in annual value to the economy and there's over four million jobs. In fact, the bioeconomy has demonstrated a uh two point seven nine multiplier in terms of jobs for uh t opportunities and so what's what that means is those jobs uh affect rural uh communities and and uh Main Street because biomass is bulky and by converting the uh usually the starch or the or the oil from the different crops into chemicals, we still have the co uh the co-products of feed but we're then able to export and transport pure uh products. That means these are high value jobs, uh high median higher than the median income jobs as well as a higher uh t property tax base increase in the local communities so.

Rep. Jackson (IL-1)1:28:55 – 1:29:04

Well Doctor Buck let me ask one other question, how can we win this on the global race, who are your competitors, how is China doing, how is Europe doing, and where are we on the global market?

Alex Buck (Witness)1:29:04 – 1:29:45

The main competitors in the bioeconomy are exactly those two um uh regions as you mentioned uh China has uh emphasized bio-products uh in three of their last uh five year plans and in fact the European Union has ten times the number of of bio-refinery facilities, uh, pilot facilities as the United States does. And so we're losing, uh, the opportunity to try to benefit our, uh, rural farmers. And they're the China has, uh, been investing private dollars as well as their, uh, government dollars, uh, fourteen point four billion dollars from China versus the ten point four billion dollars from the US private sector. We are, uh, losing the opportunity to commercialize and utilize farm products in the United States.

Rep. Jackson (IL-1)1:29:47 – 1:29:48

Thank you, Doctor. You're back, Chairman.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:29:50 – 1:29:54

Gentleman yields back. Now recognize the gentleman from Kansas, Mister Mann, for five minutes.

Rep. Mann (KS-1)1:29:56 – 1:32:02

Thank you, uh, Chairman Thompson. Thank you all for being here today. I represent the big first district of Kansas, the western two thirds of Kansas, except for the counties that are around Wichita. You know, in Kansas right now, combines are rolling. Um, our family, I think if I call my dad right now, he's sitting in his combine, um, which which has happened. And and and we're really seeing this increase we've seen the last few weeks, this uptick in commodity prices is really helpful. But as we all know, they need to continue to be higher given where input costs are. And I appreciate the chairman for having this hearing focused on how do we raise demand for our products. Um, State Fair's going on in Kansas right now as well. Met with a group of farmers on Saturday and and conveyed to them, I think, the three things we oughta be doing to increase demand and put upward pressure on prices. I think the the three clearest things in my view are getting trade deals done. And I appreciate that the you know, at these deals we've gotten done, agriculture in many ways has been the lead um products in those deals. Um the dollars we put for doubling MAP and FMD in the working families task us last summer very important um that those are in place as we get these trade deals done number two getting year-round E fifteen um finalized, signing of the law I think is probably the clearest path to the end zone on immediately raising demand. And the third thing is getting food for peace moved um to the back home to the Department of Agriculture permanently. All three of those things to me are are some of the things we ought to be focusing on, and I appreciate you all's comments about your sectors, um all of which I agreed with as well. Couple of quick questions, um first of all for you, Doctor Buck, um when we talk about the overall ag sector, you're on D fifteen, continues to be part of that conversation. I appreciate you mentioning that in your um opening testimony here, and throughout your testimony, as you know in the House we passed year one D legislation a few months ago and the Senate farm bill includes that. Um hopefully it's gonna get passed out later today. Can you share what it would mean for the biofuels industry in the country if year round E fifteen were to get passed and specifically what would the impact be on our commodity prices as best as you can forecast it?

Alex Buck (Witness)1:32:03 – 1:32:44

Uh thank you very much for your question. Uh the Plant Based Products Council, we are broadly supportive of biofuels and enhancing the opportunities within their However we focus primarily on and extensively on biochemicals and bio-products such as ethanol for use in as a feedstock for chemicals, uh acetic acids, polypropylene, other opportunities to produce uh bio-products that we can then diversify the markets within within ethanol. Uh but in terms of the impact of the market, um f the fuels just like bio-products both will help impact commodity prices in a positive way because as demanding for those increases we know that the uh basis the local e- c uh communities is very very beneficial.

Rep. Mann (KS-1)1:32:45 – 1:33:36

The uh um offer year-round, E-fifteen, it removes the regulation and it lets the market work. And that way the market, and not just regulation, is dictating how much ethanol uh the consumer wants. Uh and and they should have the we should have the right to be able to sell them to that market. Um second question for you, Mister Currier, appreciate um your work call out of Farm Bureau, of course right next door to Kansas. Last year uh p you know the committee um this committee in the Farm Food Now Security Act earlier this year. Um when we passed it out it included my legislation that would transfer a food for peace program from the State Department to its rightful home at USDA, which is where it used to be, so it's returning food for peace back home. I've always felt like having that at the back at the Department of Agriculture um where they would really be the steward of it and making sure that we're sending commodities and not just dollars would be really important. Um I was also glad to see

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:33:49 – 1:34:32

Yes, thank you for the question. I uh I think Food for Peace has been a very successful program for for many years and and can always be improved upon. You know, um I I look at the fact that there's over eight million people in the world today that need to be fed. And uh I'm very proud of what we've done as farmers in the US to be able to achieve the ability to feed those large populations. And uh, you know, Feed for Food for Peace has been a program that has really helped us be able to accomplish that in in countries where they don't have the financial resources to to feed themselves and and is a program that uh has been very successful, and we strongly support it.

Rep. Mann (KS-1)1:34:32 – 1:34:35

Yeah, and I appreciate Farm Bureau's s support of Food for

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:34:53 – 1:34:58

Gentleman yields back, now recognize the gentlelady from Ohio, Miss Brown, for five minutes.

Rep. Brown (OH-11)1:35:00 – 1:36:40

Thank you, Chairman Thompson, um and to the ranking members as well. Uh, Mister Chairman, we all agree that increasing demand for homegrown agriculture products is a worthy pursuit. But I fear this administration's rhetoric on this subject doesn't match reality, because the so-called American first administration has undercut our American farmers and made their products less competitive both at home and abroad. The President's reckless tariffs agenda has disrupted agricultural export markets and pushed some of our biggest customers toward competing suppliers. The war in Iran has sent diesel prices skyrocketing, almost seven dollars per gallon here in Ohio. We've seen the administration open the door to hundreds of thousands of tons of additional foreign beef imports, at a time when American cattle producers are trying to rebuild a herd that has fallen to a seventy-five year low. And we're seeing deep cuts at USDA where farmers go for market information, technical assistance, conservation programs, and the basic services that keep American agriculture running. While I'm glad my colleagues on the other side of the aisle are interested in talking about new markets, I think the moment we are in warrants a conversation about how this administration is harming existing markets, propping up foreign agriculture competitors, and stifling opportunities here at home for the American farmer. Mister Frank, thank you for being here today. Would you agree that Importing hundreds of thousands of tons of additional foreign beef does not increase demand for beef produced by American cattle producers and is actually harmful to our domestic producers.

Chad Franke (Witness)1:36:41 – 1:36:43

I would agree with that. Um

Rep. Brown (OH-11)1:36:43 – 1:36:47

Thank you. And would you agree that when American cattle producers are trying to

Chad Franke (Witness)1:36:44 – 1:36:44

uh

Rep. Brown (OH-11)1:36:47 – 1:36:52

rebuild the domestic herd putting additional foreign beef on the market makes that job harder?

Chad Franke (Witness)1:36:53 – 1:37:03

I think the downward pressure on uh cattle uh live cattle uh prices is not helpful for rebuilding the herd and that is the result that we've seen.

Rep. Brown (OH-11)1:37:03 – 1:37:15

Thank you. And would you say that if our goal is to increase demand for American agricultural products, imposing tariffs that make those products more expensive and less competitive in global markets, is working against that goal?

Chad Franke (Witness)1:37:16 – 1:37:17

I would agree with that.

Rep. Brown (OH-11)1:37:17 – 1:38:50

Thank you. Look, market access is down, input cost and farm bankruptcies are up, and American farmers are being asked to compete in a global marketplace facing more uncertainty at home and more competition from foreign products abroad. And small and family farmers are the ones being hit the hardest. They are facing rising costs on the front-end and increasing con- consolidation and concentration across agricultural economy on the other leaving them with less leverage and fewer choices. So when we talk about increasing demand for homegrown agricultural products, I want to make sure we are also talking about fairness and make sure that those opportunities translate to the backbone of American agriculture, the family farmer. Our farmers and ranchers can grow, produce and compete with anyone in the world, but they need a stable and competitive marketplace that works for them, not one that is compromised at every turn by short-sighted policies and unnecessary uncertainty. Farmers deserve a fair shot. They deserve the certainty to plan for the future, the opportunity to compete, and the ability to earn a fair return on what they produce. And I look forward to working with my colleagues to hold this administration accountable and make sure that when we say we are supporting American agriculture, our policies actually deliver. And with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:38:51 – 1:38:56

Thank you, John. Lady, she yields back now. Recognize the gentleman from Minnesota, Mister Fencek, for five minutes.

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)1:38:57 – 1:41:19

Thank you, Chairman Thompson, uh thank you for holding this uh important hearing today, and thank you to our witnesses for being with us. Uh, I'm a fourth generation farmer from southern Minnesota and honored and uh humbled to be uh giving that fifth generation a chance to do the same thing. Uh, I know firsthand American farmers, we produce the highest quality, most affordable food supply in the world. Wanna level set here a little bit. Uh, the the the Trump administration inherited a huge problem, a fifty billion dollar ag trade deficit. We saw uh no new ag trade deals and we haven't really lived that life uh since the Jimmy Carter era. And because of it, what we have seen is a very stale commodity markets uh at the same time over, over the last years, I would say, you know, pre-COVID, COVID, post-COVID. uh, inputs that have been just continually on the rise with a very stale market side. So, uh, the - the simplistic farmer in me says the math doesn't math. Now, here's the good news. The ag trade deficit has been, uh, reduced over the last eighteen months. We have seen, uh, that fifty billion dollars get, uh, get down towards the twenty billion mark. We're seeing new ag trade deals. And because of it, I will say, uh, again, as a farmer, not political spin, not, uh, political rhetoric, but what I see on my farm, able to sell my soybeans that I'm gonna be combining here in the next week and a half, uh, for over thirteen dollars a bushel. Last year, it was close to a l- a little under eleven dollars a bushel. Corn, I'm getting close to five dollars. Last year it was four. So the opportunities to - to - to make a little bit in the market right now are there. We have to really address now the input side. Um, w- we also on that input side, I mean, there's the to- there's the cost of - of doing business as a farmer and - and one of that doesn't get talked about maybe enough is just the whole tax, the tax burdens. Uh, so, m- mister courier, uh, you know, you know this. The average age of farmer in this country right now is fifty-eight years old. Uh, and like you, I'm a fourth generation farmer thinking about the fifth generation and how we can transition the farm to the next generation. Uh, family farmers in my district wake up every day to to ensure that we can get our operations to that next generation. And so tax policy is a key factor.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:41:34 – 1:42:56

Yes, uh thank you for the question and absolutely uh the the big beautiful bill act uh uh most importantly to me um basically eliminated the the problem with the state taxes. which is a huge problem for any business, and particularly agricultural businesses, farms, to to pass on to family members. Um you know, the state taxes is is really largely a tax on inflation. It's a very unfair tax and for years if if you build a business and and the the value of the dollar went down it became more valuable, uh in terms of of uh the dollar that it was worth. Um you tax that and it took a farmer would have to sell half his farm to pay the state taxes passed on to the next generation. So that has been been huge and you know I'm I have land that my my great-granddad paid less than two dollars an acre for, that today because of of various forces and and changes in in markets is worth several thousand dollars an acre. Um it's the same value for agriculture it was when my great-granddad bought it. And that shouldn't be taxed away from my family for me to be able to pass it on to my my my kids. So that's huge.

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)1:42:56 – 1:43:57

Yeah, I appreciate that, Mister Currier, and uh I uh I am sure that you can relate to this, but uh in southern Minnesota we say farmers are land rich, cash poor. And that tax policy really a farmer is faced with, well I don't have the cash so I'm gonna have to sell the land which breaks up the family farm. And so the tax uh changes that we made are very uh important to the generational operations to make sure we do give a fighting chance for that next generation. I have a few seconds left here, I wanna go to the input side, be we've talked about the market side a little bit in the tax burn, but on the input side uh Mister Johnson you highlighted uh in your testimony the dichotomy of uh greater certainty on the input side and the uh opportunities with the market but the need on the input side. uh lead legislation that requires USDA to publish weekly fertilizer price reports, uh giving farmers more transparency. Do you believe actions like this, along with USDA's efforts to increase domestic fertilizer production demand can be helpful for farmers right now?

Patrick Johnson (Witness)1:43:57 – 1:44:30

Uh I do, Congressman Finstad, and I appreciate you introducing that legislation. I think in conversations with growers, one of the things that causes more uh confusion is what is actually driving uh the price of fertilizer components, so more transparency is a great thing. Also encouraged by what Secretary Rollins and the administration is doing to try to bring more fertilizer production into the US to maybe uh bring more stability, so we're not exposed to the volatility caused by geopolitical events.

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)1:44:31 – 1:44:33

Thank you. Uh thank you, Mr. Chair, you're back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:44:34 – 1:44:45

Gentlemen, this time has expired, now recognize the General Lady that hosted an outstanding subcommittee visit uh to her home state of Hawaii. Mr. Kuda for five minutes.

Rep. Tokuda (HI-2)1:44:47 – 1:47:21

Aloha, Mister Chair, thank you very much by the way for coming to Hawaii, even despite the fact that a hurricane uh literally blew blew through a few days before and was on its way. Um I know my my community, our farmers, ranchers, producers really appreciated everyone's visit. Um I know we've talked about a lot of of different things. today, I wanted to touch upon two particular areas. When we talk about having a dependable market for our farmers, ranchers and food producers, as I've gone out into the community, um, talk with our farmers, talk with our grocers. In fact, the grocers in particular really emphasize that's they chase the snap dollar. That's literally what they told me. They chase the snap dollar, uh, because that helps keep their doors open, but because they recognize that for every dollar of SNAP on that card, it's at least a dollar fifty in economic activity, even more in rural communities like mine's, probably closer to a dollar eighty. And so when we cut a hundred eighty-seven billion dollars in SNAP assistance, we didn't just take food off the table of hungry Americans, we took a guaranteed stable committed market away from a lot of our farmers ranchers and food producers. Um, between SNAP between gussnip, which even doubles up the amount of fresh food and proteins that people can get from our farmers and ranchers, that really hurt a lot of our folks back home and I would guess across the country. In addition to that, if you take a look at the billion dollars in cuts to TFAP to local scou- um local you know LSA programs uh LFPA programs, you know local food for schools and food that went to our food pantries as well again they weren't They weren't buying exported, you know, imported food. They were buying from farmers and ranchers locally. So when we talk about creating a stable market for agriculture here in the United States, what did that do when we cut a hundred and eighty-seven billion dollars from SNAP, a billion dollars from LFPA, local food for schools program, LFS, for TFAP, what did that do when we took those billions of dollars out of the and destabilized potentially, you know, the a a guaranteed buying um from our ranchers and and farmers. Any thoughts on that? Do you think it hurt our farmers and ranchers when you cut a hundred eighty-seven billion dollars from SNAP? I'll ask any of you.

Chad Franke (Witness)1:47:22 – 1:47:41

I'll answer that. Um, I've got a number of members that participated in the local food procurement assistance and the LFS program. Um they geared up, they bought the equipment needed to um ensure that they met the FISMA requirements and produced that local food for the local population.

Rep. Tokuda (HI-2)1:47:39 – 1:47:40

Mm-hmm.

Chad Franke (Witness)1:47:42 – 1:48:10

Uh that pause in that program severely hurt them. Um I had one member who owns a peach orchard, uh she was selling her seconds the stuff that's not necessarily the prettiest, It was going to the schools for the lunches. Um, she lost that market. She couldn't even afford to get them to the school, cuz the school couldn't pay for them. So, she lost that production. She lost that contract, and she almost lost the investment in that equipment needed to produce those.

Rep. Tokuda (HI-2)1:48:11 – 1:49:56

Does anyone else have experiences like that in terms of when a hundred eighty-seven billion dollars in SNAP money gets cut, and a billion dollars for local food for schools and the LFPA which goes directly to food banks and food pantries gets cut. Have you seen impacts on farmers and ranchers? Maybe the better question is who's gonna replace that money in terms of spending and buying power? Do we know the answer to that? Because we're talking about increasing you know, buying capacity here. Who has the ability do we think to replace a hundred eighty-seven billion dollars in snap cuts and a billion dollars in potentially not A grade produce um from our farmers and ranchers. I think the silence sometimes speaks everything, that we don't have s- someone to take the place of buying up the hundred eighty-seven billion dollars and counting in lost purchases from our farmers our ranchers and producers. And that hurts not just the farmers and ranchers and producers, but the hungry Americans who used to rely on those food baskets. And I can tell you that as someone who almost on a goes out to these distributions and I see the faces of the people who are just hungry for the vegetables and the proteins that are in those baskets. Um, maybe this is a question for Miss Taylor, you talked a little bit about food safety as well. We have seen a huge reduction in food safety staff. FSIS staff, eight hundred sixty positions cut, lost, retired, deferred retirement. That's twelve percent of their total staffing. FDA lost over eight hundred food safety personnel. What is this gonna do to increase confidence in purchasing American produce?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:49:58 – 1:50:43

Congresswoman, thank you for that question. I think, you know, having consumer confidence is first and foremost, um, uh, important to the fresh produce industry. Um, we are a product that is often eaten eaten raw, and our members, uh, in every step of the supply chain take food safety very, uh, seriously. Uh IFPA has long advocated for ensuring that FDA uh state public health officials um have adequate resources to be able to ensure not just food safety but the consumer confidence and I think clear communication is critical um coming out of this summer and some recent uh food safety outbreaks that we've really uh been experiencing uh on what is safe and what i uh what is not safe at that point in time and what is safe and when that outbreak is over um and so I think

Rep. Tokuda (HI-2)1:50:50 – 1:50:57

Thank you, and I and I'm sure everyone with explosive diarrhea in this country wished we had those staff in place to do the inspections. I yield back, Mister.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:50:59 – 1:52:36

You know, ladies, time has expired, I'll take the liberty of doing my five minutes. Um uh uh first of all I wanna just correct the record. Uh the any savings that we found in the SNAP program came from the inefficiency of the operation. Um, the fact is that nobody's SNAP benefits were cut, and for those who are paying attention, last week, uh, using a proper methodology that we put into the Farm Food and National uh that we put into actually to uh, I guess it had been uh, HR one, um, the the agriculture title, USDA just announced an increase to SNAP benefits as of October first. And so uh you know facts uh facts matter. Um in recent months the price of beef and the lowest cattle supply in seventy five years has been at the forefront of policy discussion here in DC. Mandatory country of origin labeling or Mco has been offered as a solution. While Mco is perhaps well intentioned I have serious concerns that reinstating it would increase cost across the supply chain while providing little to no benefit. to producers. A recent economic analysis found that reinstating M coal for beef and pork could cost more than one billion dollars per year driving up costs on both production and the consumption side um Mr. Carrier as a producer who retains ownership of your cattle would M coal increase your operational costs and if given a choice would you prefer a mandatory standard or a voluntary voluntary one?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)1:52:36 – 1:53:22

Uh thank you for the question. Yes uh you know as as you said uh study by I mean the Meat Institute uh said it would add a billion dollars per year to the cost of of uh operation with over seven hundred million of that from from the cattle industry um I question who's gonna pay for that I don't think the packers are gonna cover that cost I don't think the consumers are probably going to be hit with part of that cost but not the majority of it. I think us cattle producers would be the main ones paying that cost, and that's why I would not support a mandatory program. The voluntary program is is very work can work very well to our benefit, and if we a producer wants to spend the money to have a voluntary program, they can they can use it.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:53:23 – 1:53:36

Oh, thank you for that. Mister Shields, what specific forest products do you see as a bright spot with revenue growth potential in the coming years in the Pennsylvania wood products market? And do you Do you see these trends happening in other parts of the country as well?

Tyler Shields (Witness)1:53:38 – 1:54:23

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the question. You know, I think uh what we're seeing is that value-added products, and what I mean by that would be thermally modified hardwood, lumber, um mass timber applications, and while the pipeline for hardwood and mass timber might be smaller than softwood, there's still a market to be had there, and you know, particularly the bill you've sponsored, the Mass Timber and Federal Buildings Act, Those are the sorts of things that we see as new up and coming things that are gonna help grow demand. And I think there's a lot of opportunities for the federal government to really lead by example. And, you know, look at applications where they can use these, uh, these products that are new or old existing products. And, you know, see what that can do to help create trends in the marketplace and create more demand for our industry.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:54:25 – 1:54:53

Uh, thank you, Miss Shields, for that. Uh, Miss Taylor, uh, first of all, thanks for your leadership. Uh, uh, just you've always been a great leader in agriculture. Congratulations on on your current role that you've stepped into. I'm pr- I'm proud of the work that this committee has done to increase funding for our trade promotion programs at USDA. Um, can you speak about the benefit of additional resources for programs like MAP, FMD, and and TASK, and what it means for your members?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:54:55 – 1:55:45

Thank you, Chairman, uh, for that question. I think those support promotion programs are vital um to opening uh not just opening new markets, uh and addressing some of the very technical barriers that prevent US uh specialty crops from accessing them, but also then to building those uh consumers and that those markets and that demand for those products. Sometimes it might be the first time a certain product, a US grown cherry or blueberries are accessing those markets and consumers aren't sure what they are how to eat them. Um, and so some of those development and promotion programs I think are critical. So opening the door to US products and then helping our industries actually walk through that door and build those trading relationships to expand market, uh, export opportunities. Task Map, FMD are all critical to that, uh, and we greatly appreciate the over doubling of those, uh, uh, programs in the farm bill.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)1:55:47 – 1:56:14

Very good. Thanks so much. Um, well, I just have a few seconds left, so I'm gonna take that opportunity to send best wishes And my prayers to the Senate Agriculture Committee today um that uh they get that uh Farm Food and Ag Security Act passed out of uh out a committee. Sounds positive, we'll see at the end what happens. And I'll yield back to balance my time and uh recognize uh the gentleman from California Mr. Carbajal for five minutes.

Rep. Carbajal (CA-24)1:56:15 – 1:57:50

Thank you. Thank you very much, Mister Chair, and uh thank you to all the witnesses for being here today with us. Uh I think it's fair to say that many of the Trump administration's actions this last year and a half have run counter to the goals of increasing demand and opportunities for homegrown products here and abroad. There has been a lot of talk about putting American farmers first, expanding markets, and increasing demand for American grown products. But you cannot simultaneously tell farmers that you want them to produce more for the world, while making it more difficult for them to reach that world. Right now, our farmers are being asked to navigate a considerable amount of uncertainty. We are seeing a trade war that is disrupting long-standing markets, retaliatory tariffs that make American products more expensive overseas, as well as the conflict with Iran that has contributed to major disruptions in global energy markets. Farmers are getting squeezed from both sides. higher costs to produce and move their products, while facing greater uncertainty about whether they will have access to the customers they need. Miss Taylor, we know that farmers, especially specialty crop growers, plan well out into the future. Can you speak to how uncertain market access and changing trade relationships today will impact farmers' investments into their operations and supply in the long term?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:57:52 – 1:58:27

Thank you, Congressman. Uh, for many specialty crops, in particular some of our uh tree fruit, um it takes many years before uh after planting before they come to pr uh commercial production. And so they're looking those those growers and those operations are looking to long term t uh to have consistent stable markets to be able to sell their products to. Um and so I think that is one of the top priorities uh for um those longer term more perennial specialty crops is that those consistent markets that they're able to uh plan for and plan to uh what they will be down in the future, when their crops really come online.

Rep. Carbajal (CA-24)1:58:28 – 1:58:49

Thank you. Uh, Mister Franke, in your testimony you mentioned the economic benefits farmers saw from the Biden Administration's Local Food for Schools Cooperative Agreement program, LFS, and the Local Food Purchase Assistance Cooperative Agreement Program, LFPA. Lots of acronyms here.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)1:58:48 – 1:58:48

Yeah.

Rep. Carbajal (CA-24)1:58:49 – 1:59:25

I can attest that farms and schools within my district were beneficiaries of the local food for schools cooperative agreement program, and I've since had to deal with the fallout of this no longer being in place. Can you provide examples of how the LFS and LFPA programs have helped farmers access new markets and opportunities that were previously unavailable and can you also share how the cancellation of these programs have affected farmers' ability to maintain or continue accessing those new markets?

Chad Franke (Witness)1:59:27 – 2:00:31

Absolutely. Thank you for the question. Uh the Greeley Evans School District north of uh Denver uh is a big or was a big user of the LFS program. Uh I have some members who geared up to provide those foods for the school district. Um the food safety requirements to ensure that we are feeding good, healthy, safe food to our students can be pretty significant. The equipment needed to do it, the processes um make sense when you've got a long-term contract where you can provide a significant amount of your product to one source. Um you can invest in that equipment. Uh going to a farmer's markets, it's a little bit tougher to pencil that. So, when those LFS programs were in place, they had that good stable contract. When the LFS ended, that also ended their long-term contract. Now, they have a bunch of expensive equipment and they're not sure where that product's gonna go. Some of it they ended up just destroying, which is a real shame.

Rep. Carbajal (CA-24)2:00:32 – 2:00:54

Thank you for that insight. Miss Taylor, an often overlooked piece of the specialty crop industry is floriculture. But we know cut flowers provide valuable economic contributions, not to mention mental health benefits. Who doesn't smile when you see flowers? What are ways we can continue to promote cut floral production in the United States?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:00:56 – 2:01:49

Thank you for uh that question, Congressman. I think the uh floral industry in the United States faces many of the same challenges, um that other, especially crop sectors do. Uh so access to a reliable workforce, Um some increasing input costs, particularly on say seeds and bulbs that are necessary for expanded US production, um rising input costs um due to uh tariffs on say packaging and greenhouse growing equipment uh and so I think really looking at some of the broader challenges or broader um long-term uh uh support and long-term uh policies that we've been advocating for absolutely spread to the flora culture. uh sector as well as well as um ensuring that any economic assistance uh that passes, they are eligible for as well as a defined part of the specialty crop uh definition outside um from the farm bill.

Rep. Carbajal (CA-24)2:01:50 – 2:01:53

Thank you very much, Mister Chair, I'm out of time, I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)2:01:55 – 2:01:59

Time has expired, now recognize the gentleman from Arkansas, Miss Crawford, five minutes.

Rep. Crawford (AR-1)2:01:59 – 2:02:35

Thank you Mister Chairman, uh Mister Johnson, my district in Arkansas is the largest producer of rice in the nation. Um this is I'm Actually very proud of that, but as you know rice farming has not been profitable for several years now. You touched on this in your testimony, but one big way we can increase demand for domestically produced agriculture products, such as rice and even as an aside, catfish, is to stop foreign nations from dumping cheap products that undermine US farmers in our own market. For rice, India is by far the most egregious trade cheater in the world, and to help combat their blatant violations, I introduced the bipartisan prioritizing offensive agricultural trade disputes with my colleagues Congressman

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:03:02 – 2:03:04

I think those things h have

Rep. Crawford (AR-1)2:03:03 – 2:03:03

Mm.

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:03:04 – 2:03:32

presented a lot of challenges for our domestic rice production and uh it's just critical that uh we do bring that playing field to a a place where we can be competitive. I think uh this Grown in America Act is another piece to help support the domestic rice market by incentivizing the use of our uh US grown uh production, so I think all of those are very important.

Rep. Crawford (AR-1)2:03:32 – 2:03:49

Um you mentioned in your testimony how important the Grown American Act is, would be for crops for such as rice that rely on domestic uh market consumption, at least half of annual rice production. Um can you expand on those thoughts just a little bit more? Why do you think the Grown American Act is so important to the rice industry p in particular?

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:03:50 – 2:04:11

I think when you think about the supply chain and uh just downstream from our rice production, we need uh to incentivize investment in that supply chain and also incentivize the uh the use of our domestically grown crop uh and that and that grown in American Act does both those.

Rep. Crawford (AR-1)2:04:11 – 2:04:26

Gotcha. I'm gonna shift crops a little bit. Back in uh uh in May, USDA came out in support of the Buying American Cotton Act. Secretary Rollins also announced the new Great American Cotton Plan. If you can, what are some of the positive things that you've seen or look forward to seeing from that new initiative?

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:04:28 – 2:05:04

Well as I said in my testimony or earlier, Uh we really have two uh major challenges facing the cotton industry. Uh we have uh competition from Brazil in synthetic fibers, and the Buying American Cotton Act uh incentivizes the use of cotton over synthetics, and specifically US cotton, and it's also very uh supportive of our domestic manufacturing, which has struggled in recent years, and uh by providing a higher credit for cotton products that are processed in the US fully, uh it's supportive of them as well.

Rep. Crawford (AR-1)2:05:04 – 2:05:26

Let me go back and just um historic reference and you may recall the step two program in cotton and the dismantling of that that took place as a result of a WTO grievance that was filed Brazil using proxy nation to basically attack US cotton and that was one of the vulnerabilities, okay, that was ruled out.

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:05:39 – 2:05:45

I would agree uh the the trend has not been good for our US textile industry.

Rep. Crawford (AR-1)2:05:40 – 2:06:04

Mm. that um have lost a lot of the manufacturing base, but if you've got the cotton present and the incentives to utilize it here at home, would you see a a maybe a resurgence in the textile industry?

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:06:04 – 2:06:12

I think it definitely would be helpful in protecting what we have, and hopefully we could see additional investment in US textile industry.

Rep. Crawford (AR-1)2:06:12 – 2:06:14

Thank you, I appreciate it. Uh, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)2:06:16 – 2:06:22

Chairman yields back. Yeah, I've now recognized uh uh Miss Hayes for five minutes.

Rep. Hayes (CT-5)2:06:24 – 2:09:43

Thank you, and thank you to our witnesses for being here today. I would first like to say that sixty-two thousand seven hundred seventy people in Connecticut residents in Connecticut did in fact lose their SNAP benefits. So, there have been people who have lost benefits. And the increase that we just heard about a minute ago is a mandatory COLA for SNAP that is required by law as a result of the two thousand eight farm bill. So, nothing new. It happens every year, and this year's increase was probably a little bigger because of the inflationary prices um caused by the President's um policies, but the people who rely on SNAP have been impacted by cuts, the hundred and eighty-seven billion dollars in cuts to this program. I c- could not let that go unanswered. But one of the most important ways to increase demand for products grown and produced by American farmers is to ensure farmers have reliable markets in their own communities. I'm deeply concerned about the decision by the Trump administration to cancel the Local Food Purchase Assistance Programs or LEP LFPA and the Local Food for Schools Cooperative Agreement programs or LFS. These programs were designed to do exactly what we are discussing today, create new and consistent markets for American farmers. These programs go a step further by not only benefiting farmers, but also strengthening their local communities by helping schools, food banks, and families access nutritious locally produced foods. LFPA and LFS allowed schools, food banks, and other organizations to purchase directly from local and regional producers, and they can even throw in the pretty fruits and vegetables as well to schools. When USDA canceled these programs in March of twenty twenty five, the relationships farmers built with schools and farm banks were disrupted. and the investments farmers made to meet demand were undermine. If our goal is to increase demand for homegrown products, eliminating programs increasing these markets is not the right strategy. We're seeing the consequences in my home state of Connecticut. Connecticut Food Share, the largest food bank in the state, initially received three million dollars through LFPA and was slated to receive an additional one million before the program was canceled. The unexpected loss of this funding disrupted its inventory planning and required immediate adjustments to ensure it could continue meeting the needs of the people. Connecticut Food Share also previously used LFPA funds to develop its Farm to Neighbors program working with nearly one hundred local farms to strengthen and diversify the food system in Connecticut Connecticut was expecting an additional nine point three million dollars in funding through the LFPA and LFS programs. with three point seven million aimed at connecting Connecticut farmers directly with local pantries through L through LFPA and five point six million to bring local products to K twelve schools and early childhood education centers. This funding was critical to helping Connecticut farmers maintain stable markets while helping schools and food pantries produce fresh locally grown foods. These programs were particularly important at a time when costs are high and food insecurity remains a serious concern.

Chad Franke (Witness)2:10:07 – 2:10:11

Yeah, thank you for that question. Uh, as I had stated earlier,

Rep. Hayes (CT-5)2:10:10 – 2:10:10

Mm.

Chad Franke (Witness)2:10:11 – 2:10:45

the, uh, Entrance into this market can be pretty high in cost. Uh the equipment, the processes and everything to get into this system. Um so these stable uh higher quantity orders make a big difference. Um it allows them to put that equipment and the processes in place, that then lets them sell to farmers' markets and to locally as well, building demand locally for those products. And when these funds were uh lost, we lost that market and it was tough for uh some of those producers to continue.

Rep. Hayes (CT-5)2:10:45 – 2:11:07

Thank you. I think I'm particularly concerned because one of the parts of SNAP that people don't really talk about is SNAP education, so it is critical to introduce young kids to healthy food and produce very early, if you want them to be lifelong healthy eaters. How important are schools and food banks as reliable markets for growers, particularly small and specialty crop producers? Same.

Chad Franke (Witness)2:11:08 – 2:11:25

Yeah, um, so when these programs are in place, they're vital. And as you said, uh, getting youngsters to understand that, you know, fresh food is good. You don't have to eat the processed food all the time. It builds demand not just now, but into the future with those consumers.

Rep. Hayes (CT-5)2:11:25 – 2:11:33

Thank you. I still have students talk to me fifteen years later about the first time they had starfruit and it was with me in class. With that I yield back.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:11:33 – 2:11:39

And gentlelady yields back. Uh, the chair now now recognizes a gentleman from Tennessee. Mr. Rose for five minutes.

Rep. Rose (TN-6)2:11:42 – 2:15:07

Thank you uh Chairman Desjardins and thanks to Chairman Thompson and and Ranking Member Craig for holding this hearing and thank you to our six six witnesses for being here with us in Washington today. American farmers and ranchers and foresters are among the most productive in the world, but productivity alone does not pay the bills. Our producers need buyers, dependable markets and prices that allow them to keep operating. That is the central challenge before us today, ensuring that the demand for American products is strong enough to sustain the people who produce them. That requires looking seriously at what is displacing American products in the first place. We cannot talk about increasing demand for goods grown and manufactured here while ignoring unfairly priced foreign products that take their place. That means confronting China's role in undercutting On behalf of Tennessee's agriculture community, I have urged the administration to address several concerns that speak directly to today's hearing. Chinese products routed through Canada and Mexico to cur circumvent our anti-dumping duties. The severe strain on American hardwood producers competing with cheaper Chinese products and unfairly priced steel imports that undercut American manufacturers. Across these industries, my concern is the same. American businesses should not lose their customers and livelihoods because foreign competitors refuse to play by the rules. I appreciate President Trump's willingness to confront these practices and the administration's commitment to putting American producers first but the work is not done. We need enforcement that reaches companies evading our duties, trade agreements that deliver meaningful access and policies that translate by American into actual purchases from American producers. For Tennessee, that means keeping saw mills operating, strengthening domestic processing and manufacturing, and finding more customers for what our farmers and foresters produce. It also means developing markets beyond China so that our producers' futures are not dependent on decision decisions made in Beijing. Today I want to hear what more we can do to turn American demand into American sales, American jobs, and stronger American farms. Our producers have demonstrated that they can compete. Our responsibility is to ensure they get a fair chance and that cheating does not undermine um and determine who wins. In this spirit, Mister Johnson, I support the goal of increasing demand for American cotton. But we must ensure that an an incentive intended for American growers cannot be exploited through false origin claims including claims that disguise Chinese cotton as American. Stakeholders have raised concerns about the cost and reliability of tracing cotton through processing into a finished product. I have also heard that testing every bale would not be feasible. Under the Buying American Cotton Act, how would a business reliably verify that cotton is a i i it is claiming a credit for is actually American. And what would that verification cost relative to the credit's value?

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:15:09 – 2:15:44

The so one of the key components of the Buying American Cotton Act is the traceability of US cotton. And uh we have programs, the US Cotton Trust Protocol is one program that I uh participate in that has a sustainability uh aspect to it as well as a traceability aspect and uh we fully understand that the integrity of that traceability is a is a key component for the success of the program.

Rep. Rose (TN-6)2:15:45 – 2:15:54

If an upstream supplier falsifies the cotton's origin, who bears the financial and legal consequences and what

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:16:02 – 2:16:24

Uh that's uh a difficult question for me to answer as a producer. Uh we you know the industry has come together uh to put this program together, and i is supportive of it, and I think that the supply chain is confident that they can uh create that uh integrity of traceability that we need.

Rep. Rose (TN-6)2:16:25 – 2:16:29

Thank you. I'd I would be interested if you can uh reach out

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:16:29 – 2:16:29

Sure.

Rep. Rose (TN-6)2:16:29 – 2:16:40

and see if you can uh get us an answer to that question. Um, I p I see my time's winding down uh, Chairman, and so I'm gonna just yield back the balance of my time.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:16:40 – 2:16:45

General from Tennessee yields back. The chair now recognizes uh Mister Mannion for five minutes.

Rep. Mannion (NY-22)2:16:46 – 2:18:09

Thank you, Mister Chairman. Uh, Mister Shields, um, Environmental Science and Forestry, SUNY ESF, uh you earned your graduate degree there uh which is in the district so it seems like the perfect opportunity for me to brag a little bit about the great work that happens there and uh the work that you're doing to train the next generation of forestry and forest product professionals i happen to volunteer uh in the american chestnut foundation with uh doctor powell and doctor maynard i don't know if they were around when you were around but uh from the looks of your Goatee probably. Um uh uh uh in your testimony you talk about workforce development as essential to the future of the industry, particularly as manufacturers adopt more advanced technologies and modernize their operations. I also serve on Education and Workforce Committee, so I spend a lot of time thinking about how c we can better align education and training with the needs of employers. I've seen the great work in and out of my district at SUNY Cobleskill and SUNY Morrisville, Cornell, uh and uh and and ESF. Um so from your experience uh at ESF and now in the hardwood industry, is there anything Congress should be doing better um to connect institutions like SUNY ESF with forest product manufacturers? So we're training workers for the increasingly technical jobs that the industry needs.

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:18:10 – 2:19:09

Yeah, thank you for that question. So I I'll answer it on two tracks. So if we look at the forestry side of it, I think the best thing that the federal government can do is make sure that any dollars we put toward job training is robustly informed by the industry. Because the methods by which we collect data, uh actually do surveying on properties, you know, and our forestry work changes quickly with our technology. But on the other side of it, if we move away from forestry and even just to our hourly employees, Bingaman's a perfect example. We moved from a a very labor-intensive operation to just implementing new AI enabled lumber grating technology. So the type of employees that we're looking for, even from our local high school or trade school, is very different. So I in the same vein, anything we can do, whether it's at the high school level, trade school, or university level, to make sure that we're getting direct input from our companies in the industry to prepare everybody that's that's what we need, 'cause it's changing fast.

Rep. Mannion (NY-22)2:19:10 – 2:20:12

That's great to hear. And I've watched our community colleges and those higher ed universities, FFA and our and our uh K twelve school ag programs which is uh really inspiring to see do that kind of pivoting so I thank you for that Doctor Buck you mentioned uh thank you um in your testimony that the next generation of agricultural prosperity will come not only from growing crop crops but from transforming those crops into higher value products that create new markets for farmers and support domestic fan manufacturing we have a great example in central New York with Dumont Farms in Union Springs. They grow and process soybeans locally, produce soybean oil that can be used for fuel, and have worked with engineers at Cornell University and the State of New York to evaluate opportunities to produce biodiesel and renewable diesel. For a company like Dumont that already has the feedstock, processing experience, and some of the infrastructure in place, what more should USDA and Congress

Alex Buck (Witness)2:20:18 – 2:21:26

Thank you. Uh I think some of the uh priorities that can help to expand these would be the bio-based materials investment and production act it's an opportunity for b new capacity to come on-line to lower the uh burden of investment in these new uh capacities. But part of the other issue that happens is in order to be able to track the impactfulness of some of these like the Bio Mat Materials Investment and Production Act, the Bio-Manufacturing and Jobs Act, and the Ag Bio-Act, is to ensure that we have uh a a way to track the impactfulness within the federal government. And for example NAICS codes the North American Industry Classification System. Uh and back in the thousand eighteen Farm Bill OMB was told to update the NAICS codes for the bio-economy. In their two thousand twenty seven revision that they've recently posted, they declined to follow Congress's uh directive in order to update those NAICS codes. And so I think with all of these policies, as well as the ability to see and tran the transparency for consumers as well as the government I think that there are great opportunities to insure your um uh your you know region and regions across the United States have the opportunities.

Rep. Mannion (NY-22)2:21:27 – 2:21:41

Great. Thank you, Doctor Buck. I appreciate that. I'll use my last twenty seconds to say in New York twenty-two we have a thriving wine industry. Exports to Canada have decreased by Ninety-one percent. I yield back.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:21:43 – 2:22:17

Gentleman yields back. The chair now recognizes himself for five minutes. Uh, good morning and thanks to all of our witnesses for being here today and for sharing your testimony on this incredibly important issue. Uh, farmers and producers across the country are are facing significant financial pressures and ensuring that they have strong reliable markets for products they grow is as an important part of strengthening uh, farm country. So uh my first question is for any of our witnesses. What steps can Congress take to strengthen domestic demand for American grown products while preserving market driven decision making?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:22:22 – 2:23:19

Congressman, I'll maybe start, I think from a sp especially crap uh perspective, particularly fresh fruits and vegetables, um really tackling that uh policies and targeting policies that try to tackle the lack uh of Americans who actually meet the minimum recommendations. ten Americans do not meet those minimum recommendations. So I think uh policies such as GUSNIP uh double up bucks that are incentivize more fruits and vegetable purchases, um um developing markets through uh schools, um where we're t uh creating life-long consumers of fr fruits and vegetables are are very important um to helping develop those markets and I then I think the other component of that is having a reliable workforce um for the specially crop uh sector is paramount um if we wanna expand demand to meet these new markets that we're developing, domestically we need to have a workforce to be able to do that. And that's why IFPA and many others are supportive of Chair Thompson's Securing Agricultural Workforce Act.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:23:19 – 2:23:21

Okay. And any other members like to chime in?

Chad Franke (Witness)2:23:21 – 2:23:45

Yes. Uh, one way we can uh support farmers and ranchers across this country is ensure that they capture a fair share of the value that they create. When we look at the farmer's share of the food dollar, it varies from small to very small. Uh we need to make sure that um those that are creating these safe nutritious foods have the benefit of fair markets that allow them to capture that value.

Alex Buck (Witness)2:23:46 – 2:24:05

Okay. Uh I'd say dependable markets um are required, and part of that is uh the Bio-preferred program when it comes to bio-products. USDA has a robust opportunity for labelings for consumer transparency of bio-products, through the Bio-preferred program. And expanding the federal procurement side of Bio-preferred would be critical to expanding markets

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:24:07 – 2:24:35

OK. All right. Um, you know, as you know, farmers are experiencing increasing challenges to maintain a reliable workforce and meet increasing demand. Chairman Thompson's securing Agriculture Workforce Act takes major steps towards addressing some of those challenges. Uh, what would comprehensive ag labor reform mean for uh your farms or the farms you represent? And Anyone who wants to jump in.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)2:24:36 – 2:25:48

Yeah, I can I can speak to that. Uh we are strongly supportive of of the proposed bill that uh Chairman Thompson has introduced. Uh labor is a huge issue across agriculture. I happen to be in a situation where where I am fortunate enough, I'm able to um hire locally uh the labor I need for my particular ranch. In fact, uh most my employees are related to me in one way or another, but uh That is not true of many my neighbors uh you know and and you ha you have to have a secure labor supply if you're going to produce uh food of any kind because farming is very labor intensive. Uh labor rules have have and then inability to get adequate labor has really harmed agriculture and and when you can't get labor at uh harvest time or In my case when cows are calving in the spring um you know you're going to lose production. Uh so that labor piece is vitally important to us and we need to have not only availability of labor but uh be able to get it at a price we can afford.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:25:48 – 2:25:51

Okay, have a minute left if someone else wanna comment on that.

Chad Franke (Witness)2:25:51 – 2:26:34

Yeah, I agree with my colleague. Uh the need for labor in agriculture is pretty uh intense. Uh it's also very seasonal. Uh we had a pilot program that came out a few years back uh that allowed the sharing of H two A workers across different operations. Uh when you've got one operation in a town that needs a set of workers intensely for two or three weeks and then another one that needs it for two or three weeks, and then another one that needs it for two or three weeks. The HT two A program, that pilot program worked very effectively to allow them to pull together to pull one group and move them through the community. And we would appreciate uh understanding the flexibility needed uh in seasonal workers.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:26:34 – 2:26:36

Okay, and someone else can take the last twenty seconds.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:26:36 – 2:26:55

Congressman, I would love to. I think one of the other uh v uh uh um uh priorities in Chair Thompson's bill that is critical uh to especially crops is some of the changes to the controlled environment agriculture known as greenhouses today they cannot acce access the H two A program expanding it to them is critically important.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:26:56 – 2:26:56

Okay.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:26:56 – 2:27:19

Um several of our greenhouse uh grower grower members uh have told us just in recent weeks they would invest up to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars of of additional production in the United States except for they cannot get a reliable workforce so as we think about wanting to expand domestic production a workforce um addressing a reliable workforce with predictable costs for the specially cropped sector is one of our top priorities.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:27:19 – 2:27:23

Okay. Well my time has expired, uh so I I yield and I am now

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:27:28 – 2:30:13

Thank you very much uh, Mister Chairman and uh, Ranking Member. I think today's topic, increasing demand and opportunities for homegrown products here and abroad, is appropriate given the fact that uh folks are hurting in farm country. Uh, whether it's uh in the various regions that we represent or California, my home state, the largest agricultural state in the nation last year, sixty-one and a half billion dollars. uh that uh of at the farm gate of uh over four hundred commodities that we grow. And as a third generation farmer, I can tell you uh first hand how challenging it is these days. Uh I wanna talk about uh the impacts of tariffs, which I think are part of a one-two punch, impacting the the the difficult uh challenges where bankruptcies are at a all time high in California and elsewhere. I've told Ms. Taylor and Mister Franke, you're probably the two best on the panel to talk about tariffs. I have never been a fan, and members of this committee know, of tariffs. Uh, I guess in some instances they can be a a tool that can be used, but I think we're seeing deja vu all over again, as Yogi Bear once said, with the tariff run that the first Trump administration did and now this second run of it. Uh, tariffs are a tax on American consumers. That's what they are. There are taxed on American producers, agricultural producers, and manufacturers. That's what they are. And we pay for them. It's not the other countries that pay for them. I'm glad to see that the Supreme Court recognized the fact that it is, under the Constitution, the domain of the of the Congress. But I think you got a lot of factors that are engaged right now in this one-two punch tariffs and detain and deport because seventy percent of our workforce in California are undocumented. And these are some of the hardest working people you'll ever meet in your life, but for farmers, ranchers, dairymen, and women, and the farm workers to be able to make that magic with less than five percent of the nation's population, and and and ensure that food, which is a national security issue, that we're able to put food on America's ta- dinner table every night, is continued challenge that we deal with. Um uh I I the markets I, you know, like stability, right? And and they like certainty. And I can tell you that our agricultural producers, I you know, I I I been uh farming for twenty five years, uh worked real hard to establish those markets. To what degree do you think the impacts of the economic challenges we face in American agriculture, California agriculture, where forty four percent of our agriculture is exported, have impacted uh f- the farmers' uh bottom line? Mi- Ms. Taylor?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:30:14 – 2:30:29

Thank you, Congressman Costa, for that question. Um, you know, one of the challenges I think the specialty crop sector is been experiencing, especially, you know, fruit, vegetable and floral, is some of the tariffs on inputs, and those critical inputs that we need. So as we wanna think about expanding

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:30:29 – 2:30:33

Eighty five percent of the potash that we receive in California comes from Canada.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:30:32 – 2:30:32

Correct.

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:30:33 – 2:30:43

You look at diesel prices, you look at uh other impacts of this um war in Iran that's uh impacting uh every segment of the food supply chain.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:30:44 – 2:30:59

And broader than that, seed bulbs, packaging that is critical I th uh for protecting from food safety to uh the shelf life availability of spec many specialty crops all of that or much of that is being imported and there are not necessarily alternative sources.

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:30:58 – 2:31:10

And forty percent of our market uh with Canada and Mexico, what's this all about, fifty first state? I mean is this the way you teach treat your friends and your neighbors? It makes no sense.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:31:10 – 2:31:14

Canada and Mexico are our two largest trading partners in the uh specialty

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:31:21 – 2:31:31

So do you believe that this is a direct impact in terms of the issue of of cost that farmers and ranchers are facing that dairymen and women uh because of this impact to the tariffs?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:31:32 – 2:31:40

I think they are being impacted potentially on both sides and certainly on the input side um but also on the export side as we have seen some

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:31:39 – 2:31:41

Mister Frank, have you carried a comment?

Chad Franke (Witness)2:31:46 – 2:32:02

I'm sorry. Um I do agree. Uh we need good trade across the borders. Um and what's been going on in the um very uh chaotic way the trade policy's been carried out has not been good for family farmers and ranchers.

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:32:03 – 2:32:07

No, because uh it creates a havoc with uh markets.

Chad Franke (Witness)2:32:07 – 2:32:08

Exactly.

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:32:07 – 2:32:08

And and

Chad Franke (Witness)2:32:08 – 2:32:10

And stable markets are needed.

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:32:10 – 2:32:16

And guess what? Farmers, ranchers, they're price-takers, not price-makers. Is that not correct?

Chad Franke (Witness)2:32:17 – 2:32:18

One hundred percent.

Rep. Costa (CA-21)2:32:18 – 2:32:57

Since I was a kid, I've learned that written in my father's forehead. Price-takers, not price-makers. But the president doesn't understand that clearly. He doesn't care, obviously, as he continues to this chaotic effort, uh, you know, I'll I'll take these tariffs and I'll raise you more. And and then American taxpayers are paying the bill. My time's uh expired uh, Mister Chairman, but I I think we've gotta uh let the rest of the world know that we wanna continue to to be a honest broker and and let American agriculture do what it does best, which is put food on America's dinner table.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:32:58 – 2:33:04

Gentleman yields back. Uh the chair now recognizes the gentleman from Indiana, Mister Messmer, for five minutes.

Rep. Messmer (IN-8)2:33:05 – 2:34:02

Uh thank you Mister Chairman. Uh, I wanna start by thanking the witnesses for sharing their perspectives with the committee today. I would argue that increasing demand for US grown-up products is one of the most pressing issues facing agriculture in America. While it is certainly important to solidify uh access to foreign markets, we must also be d diligent to establish new and innovative markets on American soil. Over-reliance on foreign markets for market opportunities makes us very vulnerable to demand shocks. By encouraging domestic demand, we hedge our farm economies from instability. One of these critical dom domestic market opportunities is bio the bio-economy. Doctor Buck, in your testimony you mentioned the Bio-manufacturing and Jobs Act, a bill that I introduced alongside with Representative Alford, to expand bio-based uh the m the bio-based marketplace. Given your unique experience in the bio-industry, can you explain the merit of the bio-economy as a value-added opportunity for our farmers especially with the ongoing challenges that farmers are facing?

Alex Buck (Witness)2:34:03 – 2:34:42

Absolutely, thank you. Uh the agriculture has always thrived on a diversification in its operation, and so does the uh demand for those products, so by having a di unique diversity in demand for the products from ag commodities, for uh feed and fuel is beneficial, and now adding the bio-products will be very advantageous. Additionally most of the products that go into bio-base as a feedstock do uh utilize the vegetable oil or the uh starches and uh uh uh glucose, sugar, and so that leaves the high protein um uh high fiber feed very uh beneficial for our cattle producers and our general an animal agriculture.

Rep. Messmer (IN-8)2:34:43 – 2:35:07

Thank you. Um as our farmers have endured season after season of uh financial pressure, I've pr I've been proud to support supplemental assistance packages, but my producers w would always rather rely on well-functioning markets than government aid. Uh Doctor Buck, uh how can market development legislation like the biomanufacturing and Jobs Act provide long-term stability for American farmers in ways that supplemental disaster insurance can.

Alex Buck (Witness)2:35:08 – 2:35:44

Uh, the bio-manufacturing and Jobs Act definitely gives an a advantageous uh opportunity for the bio-preferred program, expanding uh for federal procurement and also transparency for consumers uh by understanding the uh uniform uh terminology and labeling that is utilized within bio-products. And so I think that by giving the uh transparency and given the stats that show that many uh consumers are interested and likely to purchase bio-based products we have an opportunity to marry together the agricultural uh feedstocks that we have with the demand that we see from consumers.

Rep. Messmer (IN-8)2:35:44 – 2:36:02

'Kay, thank you. Uh also in your testimony you highlight the utility of the North American Industry Classification System as an investment driver. How much private investment is the bio-economy missing out out on, purely because market data is lacking And what does it uh what does it mean for access to critical market opportunities for our farmers?

Alex Buck (Witness)2:36:03 – 2:36:52

Uh I believe it's actually challenging to uh estimate how much private investment has gone into the United States uh for these products, because of the lack of NAICS codes, the North American Industry Classification System. The two thousand eighteen farm bill did uh direct the uh uh administration at the time to develop these NAICS codes and the two thousand twenty-seven uh revision that's been proposed uh declined to follow, the farm bill uh uh from two thousand eighteen. And so by having these codes, not only can we identify the impactfulness of the products, but we can also identify the impactfulness of legislation, like the uh Bio-based Materials uh Production Investment Act proposed uh as H R eighty-one, uh H R eighty-one thirty-seven. So I think that it's uh needed for us to track. If we can't measure something, if we can't track it, we can't affect it.

Rep. Messmer (IN-8)2:36:53 – 2:36:54

You can't prove what you don't measure.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:36:54 – 2:36:54

That's right.

Rep. Messmer (IN-8)2:36:55 – 2:37:19

Uh, well thank you, uh the bio-man bio-manufacturing and jobs act which included the in the House past farm bill is a solution to that data problem and a and a demand driver for Hoosier farmers. Uh this committee's farm bill meaningfully invest in rural communities and facilities long-term profitability for American producers uh to oppose the farm bill is just to turn your back on the American farmer I wanna thank the witnesses for your time and with that I yield back.

Rep. DesJarlais (TN-4)2:37:20 – 2:37:25

Gentleman yields back. The chair uh now recognizes Miss McClain Delaney for five minutes.

Rep. McClain Delaney (MD-6)2:37:27 – 2:41:10

Thank you to the chair and ranking member and thank you to all the witnesses. I think I'm one of the last ones to bring it home, so I really appreciate you um going through this. Um I so support policies that drive demand for our ag uh products, um really help incentivize foreign markets and new products research and really help um promote a stable workforce as we have discussed um you know, time and time again in this hearing. Um and I am a problem-solving Democrat, the daughter of an Idaho potato farmer, although I represent Maryland's sixth congressional district. Um but sadly many of the policies of this administration and what has come out of this Congress has really done the opposite of much of what we wanted to do here. Um this August I traveled across Maryland's sixth congressional district meet with our founding our our county farm bureaus. gone to our fairs, I met with the Maryland Secretary of Ag and local farmers, and I even convened a hearing about SNAP and farm to table uh with all of our western and mountain Maryland farmers and um specialty farmers. But their message was clear, we have an administration that is really not helping rural America and our farmers. In fact they said two refrains, we want trade, not aid, and that this is promises made and sadly promises broken to us. Between the cuts to USDA, to unfortunately BARC, our research in uh USDA research center in Beltsville, workforce instability, technical assistance programs being cut, obviously the nonsensical tariffs, cuts to SNAP, the war in Iran, and as we talked about, driving up diesel and fertilizer, imported mystery beef, and labor shortages, our agricultural producers are being squeezed. We've heard about this time and time again. And what is also very sad is that Eighty five percent, I think I just heard from my colleague of these products in the trade war, which are being impacted with Canada. Uh to me if Vladimir Putin had a hit list to break America, this administration is checking off every item on the wish list and serving it on a silver platter. But I am a member of this Ag Committee, and I believe that we have to solve problems, and that we have to help our farmers. I was just on the steps of the Capitol with my Democratic colleagues, talking about the issues of affordability, and the head of the farmers in Nebraska. Uh, a man named John got up and talked about all of these issues, and he said, we need help, and we need help now. So, um, not to bemoan this, it's really hard to hold a hearing on increasing opportunities for American farmers, when we have systematically dismantled the very markets and programs that farmers rely on and upset the labor. So, if we really wanna c increase opportunities for farmers right now, and why not repeal these nonsensical tariffs, reinstate SNAP, and end the war in Iran. So I'm gonna ask a couple of things. Mister Frank, you represent a wide variety of agricultural producers. Given the risin' rising cost of inputs and loss of critical domestic and export markets, what are the most crucial steps that right now Congress and this administration could take to ensure that our producers and farmers remain competitive? and sell the crops they grow. And then um Miss Taylor, you know, with respect to our specialty crops, farmers, um you know, SNAP, for every dollar you put into SNAP, dollar fifty comes back to our farmers, our truckers, our you know, our markets, you know, how are you looking at that with our specialty crop farmers and some of your issues on on workforce is very um yeah instructive and then any of you'd also like to to comment.

Chad Franke (Witness)2:41:14 – 2:41:37

Uh the single biggest thing that um legislature and the administration could do is take steps to ensure that the value created by our producers is captured by our producers that they're not held caught captive to the increasing input costs. And although the uh co price of commodities has come up, it still doesn't match um the cost of production.

Rep. McClain Delaney (MD-6)2:41:36 – 2:41:36

Yeah.

Chad Franke (Witness)2:41:37 – 2:41:41

So that would be the single biggest thing is implement those policies.

Rep. McClain Delaney (MD-6)2:41:41 – 2:41:55

The the farmer in Nebraska today said this is a catastrophe not like unlike that of the nineteen eighties and by the way my dad the Idaho farmer Tom he was the one that crashed and burned after the eighties so we don't wanna have that happen again.

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:41:58 – 2:42:17

Well, I'm not in the farming industry, hardwood industry, but I would say the single biggest thing for us is obviously it's a very global market. So stability is important. And you know maybe China and some other countries aren't the best trading partners all the time. But in particular some of the disruptions right now with the Canadian market have

Rep. McClain Delaney (MD-6)2:42:17 – 2:42:17

Yep.

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:42:17 – 2:42:28

been really impactful uh so you know stability and what the federal government can do to lead by example and use American hardwoods I think those are the two biggest things that can come from the federal government right now to help the industry.

Rep. McClain Delaney (MD-6)2:42:29 – 2:42:29

Excellent, Tyler.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:42:31 – 2:43:04

Uh Congresswoman, just on your s uh nutrition question and SNAP in particular, um you know SNAP is an important market uh for Americans to be able to afford a uh um uh fruits and vegetables, in particular fresh fruits and vegetables, about ten percent of SNAP is uh redeemed for fresh produce. Um and as we think about, you know, nine out of ten Americans do not meet the minimum recommendations, it's an important way um to be able to uh support all Americans' access to these pro uh key products to diet and human health. Um in programs like uh GUSNIP,

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:43:02 – 2:43:02

So agree.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:43:04 – 2:43:08

uh the incentive-based programs I think are also instrumental and we have data and

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)2:43:35 – 2:43:38

You know, all these time has expired, now recognize the gentleman from Wisconsin

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:43:36 – 2:43:36

Mm.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)2:43:38 – 2:43:40

Mister Van Orden for five minutes.

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)2:43:39 – 2:47:23

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanna clear up a couple things here. Um, we passed the farm bill out of the house on April thirtieth. That's four and a half months ago. It's been sitting at the Senate and uh like to thank the chairman for his prayers for the Agriculture Committee there. See if they can get that done. We passed E fifteen May thirteenth. That's five and a half months ago. It's been sitting at the Senate. So the issue is not the Trump administration, it's the Senate. It's just the way it is. We we have seven hundred bills sitting at the Senate that have been passed through this body. So it is not the Trump administration, it is the Senate. That is the problem. Uh, for my colleague from Illinois, they could lower gas prices by forty-eight cents immediately and fifty-five cents for diesel if they just reduced their individual state tax on the fuel. That would be very helpful to my neighbors to the south. Um, we've all noted that trade takes time to establish trade relationships. And I will just remind everybody there is zero new trade deals under the Biden administration. Zero in four years. It's a very, very dark hole the Biden administration put us in that we are we're trying to get out of now. There's been twenty new agriculture trade deals by the Trump administration in nineteen months. So we went from zero to twenty. And, again, this takes time. Um, can somebody turn off their phone? It's been beeping for a while here. Uh, so, we do not wanna have issues with our Canadian brothers and sisters. We don't. But friends don't treat friends like this. So, Canada is not the good guy in this story. They've been jamming my dairy farmers for an extended period of time. They are not following the tenets of the USMC that they agreed to, and they're going to. So when the American farmer can compete on a level playing field, we win every time. And Canada has been jamming us. And, and, you know, Prime Minister Carney is doing this for political purposes because he's unpopular in his own country and he is trying to confront President Trump. And that is to the detriment of Canadians and Americans. And every time they undercut something, it hurts our American workers and our farmers. And we're simply not gonna put up with this any longer. It's just not gonna happen. And people seem to forget there's a twenty-five percent spike in diesel fuel when Russia invaded Ukraine and Russia invaded Ukraine because of Biden's strategic weakness that he projected around the globe. That's what happened. Is diesel where we want it right now? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I had a very, very uncomfortable discussion with our refiners this morning. We're still exporting diesel out of this country right now. And there's, you can argue about second and third order effects if we reduce exports. But, you know, th they're American companies and Americans need uh a break at the pump right now, especially for our our farm diesel. Farm diesel's about thirty percent a gallon less than road diesel right now. Um, my buddies They contracted out at uh two sixty-four for last year for diesel. And we wanna make sure that, you know, by the November, December time frame when our farmers are gonna start contracting for the next year that these prices are reduced. Um, and we're working diligently to get that done right now. Uh, I kinda have I have a d- kind of an odd question for you, Mister Shields. Can you explain to me what China is doing to our mills right now?

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:47:25 – 2:47:35

Thanks for the question. Uh. You know, I think there's some differing opinions in the industry, because it's a global market for hardwoods. Over fifty percent of our grade lumber is exported.

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)2:47:35 – 2:47:35

Yeah.

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:47:35 – 2:48:05

China's the biggest buyer. But they're also importing a lot of hardwood logs right now. So, you know, it's we wanna maintain people's ability to make their own decisions for their their own company. But the issue that we're running into is that some of that lumber gets turned into low-cost cabinet components and gets re-imported back into the US. either directly or trans-shipping. And, you know, we have first-hand knowledge of this where we are we're um buying p uh we're

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)2:48:02 – 2:48:03

Tracking this.

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:48:05 – 2:48:12

selling to people who are saying we're finally starting to maybe see that some of those cheaper components that are trans-shipping they're running out of inventory.

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)2:48:12 – 2:48:13

Right.

Tyler Shields (Witness)2:48:13 – 2:48:15

And we are getting similar orders as a result of that.

Rep. Finstad (MN-1)2:48:14 – 2:48:41

So so this is what I I I've got some excellent companies in my district that that build mill machinery and what they're seeing is the Chinese are coming in, they're buying bulk They're shipping it to China, and then they're selling it at reduced prices in the United States, and our mills are closing because of this. That's exactly what the Japanese did to the United States of America in the nineteen seventies with consumer electronics. And China's on notice. We're not gonna put up with this any longer without a yield.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)2:48:46 – 2:48:52

Uh, gentlemen, Yield's back. Uh, now please recognize uh, Mr. Davis for five minutes.

Rep. Davis (NC-1)2:48:54 – 2:49:46

Thank you so much, Mister Chair, and and to the ranking member, and to our witnesses who are here today. Our cattle producers are challenged with making long-term investments in a market where they face real uncertainty, rising costs, and pressure from imported beef. If we want to rebuild the American herd and strengthen our rural economy, we need policies that put American cattle producers in a position to compete. Mister Currier, do you believe American cattle producers have enough competition and marketing options today? And if not, what specifically should Congress do to expand independent processing capacity and give producers more leverage in the market place?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)2:49:50 – 2:51:23

Uh, thank you for the question. I I think it's a very complicated issue because efficiencies of size are very important in in meat processing. But we also need s uh small processors to process locally, especially for those that are producing for niche markets that wanna be able to sell a farm to for locally. Um, there are a lot not a lot of options available in many communities for that to happen, they're in my in my own community, I I don't have that option. The nearest processor that's USD inspected is is more than a hundred miles away from where from my ranch if I wanted to do that it would be very difficult to do. Um, so it it there are issues involved in the inspection as well as issues involved with having a processor itself. Um, on the other hand, You know, most of my most of the beef produced in the US is not sold locally. It it is sold through big retailers. Uh, you need a strong uh market seller to to to be able to negotiate with those big retailers and and to be able to sell um our beef overseas where, you know, fifteen percent of our beef is sold is exported. So it's it's not as easy issue as it uh it might might appear on the process. We need both um local small processors as well as the the big processors.

Rep. Davis (NC-1)2:51:24 – 2:52:04

Thank you so much. Our soy bean growers are facing continued uncertainty in global markets. Rise in input costs and increase in competition. As I emphasized recently to a letter um to the President, A far more predictable, sustained access to export markets, not sporadic purchases or emergency assistance. Uh, Mister Johnson, ahead of the planned September twenty fourth Trump-Xi summit, all this uncertainty about China's purchase commitments affect the twenty twenty seven planning and marketing decisions.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)2:52:07 – 2:52:07

Well

Patrick Johnson (Witness)2:52:09 – 2:52:41

all of our commodities, uh soybeans, cotton, rice, the crops I grow are all much better than they have been, and uh I think there's uncertainty about how much um optimism about that meeting is built into the markets now, but uh we're we're uh thankful for the opportunities that the market's presenting right now, and and we hope that those uh market levels will continue into as we get into this winter and start planning for twenty-seven.

Rep. Davis (NC-1)2:52:43 – 2:53:07

And shifting gears, Miss Taylor, to labor. What would legislation like secure an American agricultural workforce act, what does that really mean to farmers? And um have we really jumped in at this point to assess and understand a potential impact of a bat uh back payments.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:53:08 – 2:53:40

Congressman, I can tell you uh every week we hear from our members um US producers and their number one challenge um is an accessible reliable workforce um I think uh with predictable costs and so um as we look to uh the securing agricultural's workforce act uh for uh that Chair Thompson introduced it's a top priority for IFPA, um because if we want to expand domestic uh c production, we need a reliable workforce to be able to do that.

Rep. Davis (NC-1)2:53:40 – 2:53:42

And can you speak towards back payments?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:53:42 – 2:53:49

Um I think I'll have to get back to you um at your office maybe in writing, we could reach out um and have a deeper discussion on that.

Rep. Davis (NC-1)2:53:50 – 2:53:52

Thank you. Mister Chair, with that I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)2:53:54 – 2:54:04

Uh thank the gentlemen, gentlemen yields back, now recognize Mister Harris for five minutes. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry, Mister Taylor.

Rep. Mannion (NY-22)2:54:05 – 2:54:05

for five minutes.

Rep. Taylor (OH-2)2:54:06 – 2:54:51

Thank you, Chairman, and thanks to each of you for being here today, I know it's a great imposition and we appreciate your time and expertise. Uh we've talked extensively today about cutting regulations and it's how it's essential to keeping our ag industry productive and profitable. Miss Taylor, you mentioned in your testimony that the regulatory cost on specialty crop growers increased over thirteen hundred percent for lettuce farmers in California over an eighteen year period from twenty or two thousand six to twenty twenty four. He also mentioned that the regulatory compliance costs rose from just one percent of production costs to twelve and a half percent over the same period. In your opinion, how can we exp expect our farmers to compete on the global markets with these massive outside costs? And what can Congress do to help lower this regulatory burden?

Alexis Taylor (Witness)2:54:53 – 2:55:34

Thank you, Congressman Taylor, for that question. Um so I think it is challenging and that is why we articulate some of these um long-term challenges that our specially cropped producers have been facing. I think uh uh agricultural workforce reform is critically important to be able to c compete on a global scale as is uh the farm bill. Uh there are key investments in um updating risk management, so it works for the uh specially cropped sector. Um and then some of those market development programs that we've talked about today, task map, FMD, uh to be able to um tackle really technical uh issues that might preventing especially crops from accessing those markets, but then also building demand once in those markets.

Rep. Taylor (OH-2)2:55:35 – 2:55:51

Thank you, Miss Taylor. Uh, Mister Currier, um, are you concerned that if California's onerous, harebrained, and in my opinion unconstitutional prop proposition twelve is not addressed, that states will start coming after our cattle and other livestock producers as they have our pork producers?

Carlyle Currier (Witness)2:55:52 – 2:56:26

Yes, I am very concerned about that. Uh, I think that, you know, the prop twelve problem needs to be addressed. Um, I had the privilege earlier this year of of doing some farm tours in Ireland and seeing what the the regulations are that have been imposed on on ranchers, on cattle producers in Ireland. If if we had the same requirements here, I don't think I could stay in business. Um and I think that's a danger when you can can have one state making regulations that affect producers across the country, so it it does need to be addressed.

Rep. Taylor (OH-2)2:56:27 – 2:56:30

Thank you, Mister Kerr, and thank you all again for being here today. Mister Chairman, I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)2:56:32 – 2:56:38

Thank you, gentlemen. Gentleman yields back now recognize Mister Figures from Alabama for five minutes.

Rep. Figures (AL-2)2:56:39 – 3:01:16

Thank you, Mister Chair. Uh, I wanna start by uh expressing my condolences to a farm family in my community, uh in my district back in Alabama over the summer break like many of us I had the opportunity to tour a lot of farms. Uh one was the JL Brown farm in McKenzie, Alabama, run now by uh Mister Miles Brown who is at at least a third generation, possibly fourth generation farmer there in Alabama. His mother uh was there when we went out to the farm and unfortunately passed away shortly after we left Miss Margaret Brown, and so I wanna extend my condolences uh again to Miles Brown, his wife, uh and the entire Brown family. Um, Mister Chairman, uh thank you for hosting this hearing, uh I appreciate the focus of this hearing because we When we talk about the future of American agriculture, we have to accept the fact that uh American farmers are currently being squeezed from both sides. Uh we are seeing that right now, particularly in the cattle industry. Um in August uh last month the administration announced that up to three hundred thousand metric tons of lean beef trim trimmings could enter the United States over a ninety day period without the applicable above quota tariff supplying to them and even one step further saying that that could be sold for twenty five percent under market value. Um that decision, uh as you are well aware, raised serious concerns among cattle producers, including the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, including the Alabama Cattlemen's Association, uh and others across this country. Uh particularly, you know, in this moment as American ranchers are already working to rebuild the domestic cattle herd. You know, the concern is simple, if we make it easier to bring in foreign beef, and we allow it to undercut market prices, uh while American producers are working to rebuild their herds, uh we have to ask what that means for the future of American beef production and long-term sustainability. and its long-term viability. Uh that is why I I wrote to you Chairman Thompson requesting an emergency committee hearing on that decision on that issue because um we need to know more uh about that uh and it's also why I introduced legislation to nullify the administration's proclamation to waive those applicable tariffs on certain beef uh products that are imported into the United States but this issue is bigger uh than just beef uh we have an administration imposing tariffs that have disrupted long-standing agricultural markets and made it harder for American producers to compete overseas. And I wanna be clear, I don't care if your name is Donald Trump or Joe Biden, uh when you implement policies that are harmful to our agricultural industry, that matters. And that is something that this committee should be addressing and should be making sure that we're leveraging our responsibilities here uh and our authority in this committee to make sure we're standing up for our farmers because this latest decision you know, is also coming at a time where Uh we've seen snap cuts uh which means uh families are spending less at the grocery store and most of the products sold in the grocery store originate on our farms. Um so that is inevitably uh something that's going to hurt the bo bottom line of farmers more than any other industry. Uh when farmers are simultaneously losing access to foreign buyers, uh we're creating a serious problem for producers who already have to contend uh with high input cost, debt, and volatility um in commodity prices. uh we need to build demand, we need to build domestic demand, uh and we need to be able to satisfy foreign demand. Uh that means opening and protecting reliable export markets, it means investing in domestic processing, it means encouraging businesses to purchase uh American grown commodities, um and it means making it easier for consumers, schools, hospitals, institutions uh and businesses to buy American agricultural products. Uh unfortunately uh Congress has increasingly uh increasingly been forced to respond to problems uh that are being created uh particularly in this administration most recently. That is why I introduced the Tariff Impacted Farmer Support Act to provide temporary assistance to farmers who are being harmed by the current trade environment. Uh but I wanna be clear, these temporary measures are not uh the solution, uh certainly not the long-term solution. I don't want American farmers to have to depend on emergency assistance because an administration any administration, Democrat or Republican uh has taken steps that disrupts uh their markets. Uh if we are serious about supporting American farmers, we cannot simply compensate them after the market has been lost. We must build the markets and sustain those markets in the first place. Now until this administration reverses policies that are actively undermining those markets, Congress has a responsibility to stand up for the farmers and ranchers who are bearing the consequences. Um Miss Taylor, we're here today talking about increasing demand for American agricultural products. Uh how difficult is it to increase demand when we're simultaneously giving our competitors an opportunity to take away uh markets that American farmers have already uh built and been supplying.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)3:01:17 – 3:02:03

Thank you, Congressman. Uh, for the specialty crop industry and the fresh produce industry in particular, nine out of ten Americans do not eat the minimum recommendations uh for fruit and vegetable intake every day. So I think there are a lot of opportunities to build additional demand through, um, incentive-based programs and SNAP. uh that we have data and evidence to know that when we incentivize additional purchases individuals consume more fruits and vegetables through other institutional buying such as the school meals program. These are great venues to get more fruits and vegetables in front of young people to build life-long consumers. So I think there are opportunities um within the existing programs today to expand um consumption which uh then will drive new markets and drive additional production for of US fruits and vegetables.

Rep. Figures (AL-2)3:02:04 – 3:02:06

Thank you. I see my time has expired. I yield back, Mister Chair.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)3:02:07 – 3:02:12

Gentlemen, his time expired, uh now recognize Doctor Baer from Indiana for five minutes.

Rep. Baird (IN-4)3:02:13 – 3:03:50

Thank you Mister Chairman and thanks for holding this meeting. And you know, uh I've spent my whole life in uh agriculture and so we're starting harvest in West Central Indiana across from that section. So it's pretty hard to sit here and and uh and talk when I know the work's going on. But anyway, Having access to people like you, and I want you to know from my perspective, you're the foundation of this country, and from the very beginning. And what you do and and the positive attitude you had about keeping us fed and and, uh, clothes and the fiber that we need around the world, uh, is impressive. And I think you oughta be proud of that. And I know you are, because if you weren't you wouldn't stay in the business. But but Uh I'm gonna start and I got questions for everyone, but I'm probably not gonna get to them. But I wanna start with Doctor Buck because I was reading your bio and uh and uh you've been directing uh research for Iowa corn farmers for the past twelve years or so but I found I found the things that you're looking at covering new plant-based palmers uh platform chem platform chemicals biofuels, fermentation derived products and so I'm gonna give you just a few moments of my time Because I think that is relevant to how we've stayed successful in agriculture, and because of research and the background, and it leads to my question here in a minute. So uh so Doctor B uh Buck, I'd like to give you an opportunity to express what you see in your research projects uh that's critical, and how you're expanding that, and and uh what you're looking at as being essential.

Alex Buck (Witness)3:03:50 – 3:05:27

Sure, thank you very much. Uh I I believe that the that the bio-manufacturing and bio-economy, potentially the next domino to fall against China, um especially after we lost um electronics and um and other uh pharmaceutical industries. And so having the opportunity to try to develop those markets here within the United States will keep those uh jobs and those opportunities here for our farmers and our ag products. Um but what I see in products is that chemicals and polymers are the next uh next phase where we have uh bio-polymers like plants being uh designed in uh Nebraska for polypropylene having opportunities for ethanol as a feedstock as a platform chemical in the in the products as well as uh bio-products that go into textiles uh like monoethylene glycol in your in your district in your uh state. And so I think it's very impactful that if we have these bio-products, we have these uh jobs, we have these uh higher property tax opportunities because of we have an opportunity to expand rural economies because the plants and the manufacturing will be in the rural economies. It's easier to ship pure chemicals and pure products a than it is to uh ship the uh the grains and the other products. Of course grains and products are shipped globally anyway, but having those uh stay locally, having the co-products of of proteins and fibers and feeds stay locally as we utilize the vegetable oils and the uh carbohydrates will be extensively important for us.

Rep. Baird (IN-4)3:05:28 – 3:06:56

Thank you. And you know, it's uh we have a good corn soy and a and uh uh corn growers and soybean producers alliance in Indiana. Uh one of the things the soybean alliance has done with their checkoff dollars is find another uh another material that we can put in the concrete or asphalt, fills all the voids better, and it's a product of the soybean, and I'm getting off track there, but but uh that's the kind of thing I think research and scale-up is really important, to making products from the p commodities that we produce and the livestock we produce, and so I just wanted to give you an opportunity to express that because I think it's so important to what we're doing. But I'm gonna go on with um you know this question and this relates to what we were just talking about. You know we've got tremendous agricultural research taking place at universities like Purdue, which I'm extremely fond of. Uh but uh but an invention uh in the university laboratory doesn't n- really make that product uh capable of being scaled up and manufactured in America. So what infrastructure or partnerships are most important uh to make sure that federally supported agriculture research research results in manufacturing facilities, and in jobs, and new commodity demand here in the United States. So I'm really looking to how to how we successfully take take it from the laboratory on in to scale up and make an actual manufacturing.

Alex Buck (Witness)3:06:57 – 3:07:44

As you noted, we have incredible opportunities and and u innovation happening in the United States, but the uh Bio-manufacturing and Jobs Act, the Agriculture, Bio-refinery uh Innovation Opportunity Act is gonna be extremely important to scale those facilities. We are losing our technologies to China and the EU because they have significantly more investment and r uh bio-refinery c uh for pilot and demonstration scale. And so by having the uh nine thousand three loan guarantee and establishing cost share for pre-commercial plants it will be extremely important as well as the bio-based materials investment and production act, which will help encourage investment from private companies into uh uh my bio-manufacturing of new products and new capacity.

Rep. Baird (IN-4)3:07:45 – 3:07:47

Thank you very much and I appreciate all of you being here.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)3:07:54 – 3:07:58

Yeah, now once time has expired, I now recognize Mister Harris for five minutes, please.

Rep. Harris (NC-8)3:07:59 – 3:09:19

Thank you, Mister Chairman, and uh thank you to all of you that are uh have been so patient and uh with your time today and your willingness to uh persevere uh for this general time. Um American farmers and ranchers, no question, are the best in the world at what they do and uh thanks to that expertise and hard work, you know as well as I do that the quality of American agricultural products is unparalleled around the world. American producers do take great pride in the fields they cultivate and the crops they grow and the livestock they raise, as they work hard to meet demand and feed families across the country. We know that's certainly true when it comes to American ranchers, as beef demand remains strong, domestically and internationally. And, Mister Currier, that's why I wanted to come to you for a moment. I've also heard from ranchers in my district that few things are more important to their operations than strong demand for American beef, especially as ranchers are being asked to make the long-term investment necessary to rebuild the domestic herd that we've heard a good deal about. How does increasing and strengthening demand for beef both domestically and internationally influence a rancher's decision about whether to retain heifers and invest in rebuilding the US cattle herd.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)3:09:21 – 3:10:11

Well, thank you for the question. Yes, uh, demand is is really what drives whether we're profitable or not. And I can't retain heifers if I don't have a a pretty good idea I'm going to be able to, uh, pay for that cost of development of that heifer which is a, you know, two, three year process before I get any return back from that heifer. You know, demand is great because of the quality of the beef we're producing. Um you know, even with the high prices we have today, our our exports this year are they're not quite record high, they're little four five percent below record, but on a value basis they're they're going to be record high this year, what we're exporting. So we both domestically and internationally, our demand is great for beef because of the quality of what we produce. We've really improved our

Rep. Harris (NC-8)3:10:13 – 3:11:09

So you would ultimately say strong domain gives ranchers an important incentive to invest in the future of their operations. And I I was interested in your testimony uh that you had uh shared in writing actually, deciding whether to retain heifers to rebuild the herd is not always an easy decision for ranchers because it requires them to forego revenue today for the possibility of a greater revenue in the future. And so it's a long-term investment that doesn't always pay off overnight. I was also thankful to hear you highlight the permanent tax provisions Congressional Republicans secured in H R one last year, which is gonna give American producers greater certainty and confidence in making those long-term investments. I do wanna ask from your perspective as a rancher, how will those tax provisions help give ranchers the confidence to make the long-term investments necessary to rebuild the domestic cattle herd.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)3:11:10 – 3:11:35

Well, it all comes back to being being whether we can be profitable or not. Uh, you know, if even if we can sell our product for a price that we can can uh secure a profit, if it's going to all be go to pay taxes, it it isn't worth going to the work of of doing that. It's not worth making the investment. Uh, we need to have a good return on our investment if we're we're going to invest that money into developing a

Rep. Harris (NC-8)3:11:59 – 3:12:00

Thank you, sir.

Carlyle Currier (Witness)3:12:00 – 3:12:00

Mm.

Rep. Harris (NC-8)3:12:00 – 3:12:43

Mister Johnson, I do wanna with just a brief few moments remaining, I would like to touch on the buying which I'm proud to be a co-sponsor, along with other members of this committee. Even though the United States is one of the largest cotton producers in the world, much of that cotton we produce is exported and relatively little being utilized here at home the Buying American Cotton Act is a common sense bill designed to strengthen domestic demand for American grown cotton while benefiting both our producers and manufacturers in your view, Mister Johnson, only benefit American cotton producers but also strengthen the relationship between domestic cotton producers and manufacturers right here at home.

Patrick Johnson (Witness)3:12:43 – 3:13:00

Sure. Well, first uh we appreciate your being a cosponsor of the bill and uh as I said that uh buying American Cotton Act not only will be supportive of our cotton market by incentivizing the use of US cotton but the credits

Rep. Harris (NC-8)3:13:10 – 3:13:13

Excellent. Well thank you, sir. Mister Chairman, I yield back.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)3:13:14 – 3:13:19

Thank you, gentlemen. Gentleman yields back. Now recognize uh the gentleman from Iowa, Mister Nunn, for five minutes.

Rep. Nunn (IA-3)3:13:20 – 3:16:41

Well thank you very much, Chairman, and Chairman I wanna say thank you very much for coming to Iowa and the great state fair. You showed a phenomenal steer out there in the cattle barn. Thanks to our cattle farmers as well. We have been uh aggressive on the Trump administration about making sure our cattle farmers have first opportunity not only to grow it here but make an American cattle starts in America. Also wanna say thank you um we have two incredible guests here today, Alexis Taylor as well as Doctor Alex Buck. Uh not only are they great Iowans, Chairman, they're both uh cyclones. The very fact that we had a uh rough last Saturday doesn't mean the rest of the season can't be just as good as this committee hearing, so I will kick it off and say thank you very much for taking the time. Uh we did lose to the Hawkeyes, but it was a uh it was a good game to watch. We're here today to talk about I think one of the most impactful aspects of what we can do for American agriculture. And that's about opening up new markets, driving demand for what farmers and ranchers here in the US produce, but also provide to the entire world. This is especially timely in the conversations I've had with farmers across my twenty-one counties. I go out every time with listening sessions invite farmers around the round table. And consistently what I've heard from these folks is they don't want a handout. They want the opportunity to produce and make a fair market return on their hard work. And that's exactly what I think we intend to do here in Washington to help them. It's one of the reasons that this committee has been such a forward leader on only passing the farm bill, but things like our biofuels bill that was able to be pushed through both this committee in a bipartisan way end up on the floor and again pass. I hope the Senate's listening because the house is delivered and the American people, the American farmer, are asking for it. So, Doctor Buck, I'd like to thank you first of all for your incredible work with Plant-based Productions Council and as the Director of Industrial Innovation at Iowa Corn Promotion Board. Iowa's providing what E-fifteen demand looks like. In August alone, Iowa fuel terminals moved more than forty-six million gallons of E-fifteen. Not only has that helped fill up You know, the F one fifty, it helps fill up my wife's minivan, and that's important for all of us. At this pace, E fifteen is on track to overtake E ten. I'm proud to say the momentum doesn't just stop at Iowa. Just this month even California said that they're gonna start selling year-round nationwide E fifteen in that state. And if California can do it, I think that's a wake-up call to the rest of the world. We've got a real opportunity here because we see a new statistic that shows that ethanol exports are up forty-one percent. There is a global market demand for it, and we can grow it, produce it, and make it right here in America. The message I think for everyone is clear. Year-round year-round nation YD fifteen is here to stay. But we also need to support the development of new innovations in this space, from sustainable aviation fuel to biodiesel and maritime, to help drive down costs but also expand new markets. Maritime fuel in particular has enormous potential. It's estimated that it could create an additional four billion, with a B, gallons of American biofuels, making it both more affordable for the consumer at home and also providing a domestic source of diesel rather than blending it with oil coming from countries like Russia or Iran. So with that, I'd like to talk about what do you think, Doctor Buck, are some of the biggest barriers preventing American farmers and biofuel producers from tapping into these new markets and what should we in Congress be doing to help unlock it?

Alex Buck (Witness)3:16:42 – 3:17:25

Uh thank you very much for the question. Uh I think the biggest impacts for farmers and biofuel producers is the access for those same chemicals as platform chemicals into the bio-production uh facilities so your leadership on the agricultural uh bio-refinery innovation and opportunity act is critical because we need those opportunities to re-establish cost share for these uh pre-commercial plants and we need the nine thousand three loan guarantees uh proposed to help expand those because getting from innovation at our uh land-grant institutions and getting on into the commercial phase is a huge gap, and we're losing our technology. We're exporting technology technology and jobs to uh Europe and China because we don't have those facilities.

Rep. Nunn (IA-3)3:17:25 – 3:17:40

Spoken like a good cyclone right there. God bless you, brother. And I think you're absolutely right. It's one of the reasons I've worked across the aisle, uh with my friend Nikki Baczynski here from Illinois on the Ag Bio Act, which looks at ways we can turn American agriculture and feedstock into the next generation of bio-based products.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)3:18:00 – 3:18:10

Thank you, Congressman, uh for that question. Um so packaging is an important part of fresh produce and how uh much many pieces of fresh produce are marketed to consumers, right? I'm

Alex Buck (Witness)3:18:10 – 3:18:10

Mm.

Alexis Taylor (Witness)3:18:10 – 3:18:56

Never seen a bulk raspberry bin for example. Um it helps can help protect food safety, it can help um uh shelf life longevity, um and those are all important parts uh a in a a highly perishable product. Um the industry has actually invested quite a bit in compost compostable packaging. Um as international regulations are evolving and changing around this, uh we wanna move away from single-use plastics, it's an important priority. We've actually uh tapped into some ACE funding at from IFPA to really help the industry bring some of these new novel uh compostable packaging technologies to our industry to see how they can still perform to protect food safety to extend shelf life um of our highly perishable products. So it's an important uh priority for the industry.

Rep. Nunn (IA-3)3:18:57 – 3:19:03

Helps the local farmer doesn't fill up a landfill. All good news all around. Mister Chair, thank you very much for convening this, I yield the remainder of my time.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)3:19:04 – 3:19:11

I thank the gentlemen. Uh before we adjourn today, I invite the Ranking Member to share any closing comments that she may have.

Rep. Craig (MN-2)3:19:11 – 3:20:43

Thank you, Mister Chairman, uh I wanna first say thank you to our witnesses, this has been uh one of the most insightful panels that we have had in such a critical moment in uh farm country uh to hear from you directly so thank you. Uh the political environment of course is one right now where it's very hard for some people just to speak openly and plainly. Um but we all know uh on both sides of the aisle, in fact we know, that the president's tariffs and trade wars have made things tougher for farmers. The bankruptcy levels really do speak for themselves. We all know that the war in Iran is making diesel and fertilizer way too expensive, and that even if commodity prices improve a bit, those benefits are swallowed by higher input cost. That's just a simple math. We all know that cancelling grants, firing farm super service agency staff, making farm equipment more expensive with the tariffs, delaying the implementation of year-round E-fifteen, it it just doesn't help. Farmers need this administration to get out of the way and let them farm and focus on developing domestic and international markets. That's what the country should be focused on from a policy-making perspective. There's been too much disruption, and it's time for policies that stabilize farm country. With that, again, I just wanna say thank you for your insightful comments today, and, Mister Chairman, I yield back to you.

Rep. Thompson (PA-15)3:20:45 – 3:25:39

I thank the General Lady. Um, I wanna thank her witnesses as well. Uh, you uh brought a um um a wide swath of uh expertise. to the table as we really looked and explored this topic today. Um you know I uh with seeing a a um no cuts to the SNAP benefits and in fact an increase marginal as it is uh as of October first you know my colleagues uh uh made a great point about how that is uh those SNAP benefits result in the purchase of uh agriculture commodities. And that's that's important. Um there was a lot said about opportunities uh with farm to school and farm to food banks. Uh two programs that were never authorized by Congress and therefore discontinued when the administration changed, no surprise. But the fact is both of those programs are included within the Farm Food and National Security Act uh that passed out of this committee in April. uh with marginal Democrat support but uh more importantly um under consideration today around three o'clock I'm told uh in the Senate. Um you know we have had uh nineteen trade agreements uh all that positively impacted uh agriculture that have been uh um have been agreed upon in in uh in the past like twenty months at at this point. Uh, we're seeing investments in nitrogen-based fertilizer plants, uh, to be being built here in our country, so we're not dependent on on other countries, nor do we run into geopolitical, um, uh, issues that prevent access to fertilizer. That's not an overnight solution. It's gonna take time. But I'm really pleased with what the administration is doing in leading on that. And it is an all of government approach. is not just the Department of US of Agriculture, it is the Department of Energy and and many other cabinet positions and quite frankly, agencies including the EPA, they're p- uh pulling on that rope. And then uh uh the benefits to at least the largest uh co- uh commodity in Pennsylvania dairy, uh where we see on the private sector investments, uh Chobani, uh building a plant in uh Lehigh Valley. I wish it was PA fifteen but Lehigh Valley's a great place and and that's gonna take a one third of our fluid milk uh for that plant. Uh that's an amazing boost to dairy, you put that on top of whole milk for healthy kids and uh restoring whole milk and flavor, yeah increasing consumption and demand within our schools um that's that's a good thing and it fits within the theme of what we're talking about today. This committee has stood and on the principles of supporting American producers. That has been our true north, has guided us in everything that we have done and everything we have accomplished and everything we will accomplish through the end of this calendar year. Um, as we heard today, the momentum of expanded markets are exciting. Um, this includes increasing demand, um, like, including resources to help producers navigate foreign markets. Technical assistance for specialty crops to help producers navigate non-tariff barriers something that we didn't always attend to in the past. Um doubling of map and and foreign market development monies as tools uh to help create new markets and quite frankly to be able to access them. The Woodinnovation grants which being from Penn's woods Pennsylvania um i- is very exciting. Uh the opportunities for those types of projects are the the investments And those monies have been rolled out uh at least in in the first wave of uh the most recent wave of uh innovative grants um in really strengthening our our forest products industry which is an important part of agriculture. The Bio-prefer program which we have heard so much about that proposal within the farm bill. And I just close as I always do to say um thank you so much to the uh staff on both sides of the aisle who really do such a great job of uh uh preparing us for uh for our hearings and they and they did so today with um and just offer my tremendous appreciation for that. Under the rules of the committee, the record of today's hearing will remain open for ten calendar days to receive additional material and supplementary written responses from the witnesses to any question posed by a member. The this hearing of the committee on agriculture is adjourned.

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