Summary
- General Steven Nordhaus (Chief of the National Guard Bureau, Department of Defense) said over 41,000 guardsmen support Operation Epic Fury worldwide on less than four percent of Pentagon spending.
- John P. Healy (Chief of Air Force Reserve, U.S. Air Force Reserve) warned seventy-seven percent of his fleet exceeds thirty-nine years old with a $1.5 billion sustainment backlog.
- Rep. McCollum pressed Nordhaus on the $605 million for DC deployments and $216 million reaction force, demanding detailed training offsets.
- Rep. DeLauro called DC Guard patrols a political stunt wasting resources while other members praised troops for restoring order downtown.
- Rep. Cole urged leaders to submit a supplemental covering Epic Fury costs to prevent readiness shortfalls and ensure Guard-Reserve recovery and retraining.
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Good morning. Uh, subcommittee on defense will come to order. Uh, we have a number of members are gonna be straggling in there's various mark-ups up so I apologize for that. But uh to keep everybody uh on time we'll go ahead and begin the subcommittee hearing. Uh, today the subcommittee will convene for an open budget hearing to receive testimony on the national guard and reserve forces we're pleased to be joined by our witnesses general stephen nordhaus chief of the national guard bureau lieutenant general robert harter chief of the army reserve and commanding general us army reserve command rear admiral uh uh i mean uh lower half richard s loughran acting chief of the navy reserve lieutenant general Leonard Anderson, Commander of the US Marine Corps Reserve and Lieutenant General John Healy, Chief of the Air Force Reserve. A warm welcome to you all and thank you for your years of distinguished service. I want to congratulate Lieutenant General Healy on his upcoming retirement this summer. The men and women of the National Guard and Reserves play a critical role in supporting our national security efforts at home and abroad. They sustain peace and respond to crisis whether managing California wildfires or strengthening the international relationships through the state partnership program. The department's counter-drug program remains a key priority of mine and the work done through the National Guard Counter-Drug Program and National Guard, uh, Counter-Drug Schools program continues to have an incredible impact on our communities. Our military force structure depends on ability of guard and reserves to surge when called. We ask a lot of them, particularly this past year, as demonstrated by their role in Operation Epic Fury. I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the Guardsmen and Reservists, as well as all service members who have made the ultimate sacrifice serving our country in this uh in this conflict. With heightened requirements, they're tasked with balancing both the civilian career and their military service. It's important our Guard and Reserves are properly resourced, and that we continue to support them and their families. In fiscal year two thousand twenty-seven, for the first time, the President's budget request includes funding for the National Guard and reserve equipment account. The committee has long supported the Guard and Reserves here, and we look forward to hearing more about how this change will impact your modernization efforts. I'd also like to hear from all of you on how your c- the components are you're thinking about on uh modernization. current capability gaps, areas where Congress can be helpful and additionally the Guard and Reserves uh require proper uh facilities to address uh growing mission requirements. I look forward to hearing more about the the conditions of your facilities and the resource uh needs uh for your services. I now recognize the distinguished ranking member Miss McCollum for her opening remarks.
Thank you, Mister Chair. Good morning. Thank you all for appearing before the subcommittee. And I'd like to um reflect the statements made by my my chair and some of the things that he has said about the work that you do. I wanna also expend uh a special thanks to Lieutenant General Uh Healy. Thirty six years of service, greatly appreciated, and we know your family served alongside of you. Thank you, sir. Wanna begin by acknowledging as the chair did the loss of our thirteen service members in the Middle East, several who were reservist and National Guard personnel. But I'll take a moment to just reflect on on the on the service of Master Sergeant Nicole Amor of uh White Bear Lake, Minnesota. Um I appreciate the way the army and the reserve managed to get a very special person home for the funeral. It was so important for the family. Thank you very much for your work in making sure that it happened. And um I know the reserve and and the guard back in Minnesota are working together to support the family as well the VFW and American Legion. Know that we're all deeply grateful for your service. Our National Guard and Reserve components are called upon to support a variety of critical missions, including humanitarian missions, overseas operations,
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and the increase to support the Southwest border mission and the Guard in particular, the state partnership programs through through many activities. Each reserve unit is truly an operational partner with their active conduit active component. This is the first time in the administration's fiscal twenty twenty seven budget includes funding for the National Guard and Reserve equipment account, an account that Congress normally provided the funding for. So I think we're making some progress, Mr. Chair. Thank you for all your work on that. Unfortunately, we do not yet have the supporting documents um from the administration to understand the details of the request. So I'm concerned that the division of funds in this account may leave some of the reserve components lacking the equipment they so desperately need to properly execute their missions. In the past, this account was dynamic look at each of the components and their needs, especially for their future missions. So I would appreciate each of you sharing with the subcommittee what these funds will be used for and whether your modernization priorities are being met by the budget request. I'm also concerned about the status of readiness for some of the forces, and I'll tell you why. Um each of you has described the work the reserve components that were can and glove with your active duty uh counterparts.
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We know that firsthand and we see it when we're in theater. However, picking up waste in the District of Columbia does not prepare anyone for conflicts that could arise in Europe Asia and the Middle East. Given the Supreme Court's decision of December twenty third which left in place a lower court decision to prevent the administration the National Guard to Illinois. I'm hopeful that we will not see any additional unnecessary deployments of our military personnel in US city streets. I was curious about the two hundred and sixteen million dollars in the budget for the National Guard reaction reports. This is supposed to respond to incidents requiring defense support for civil authorities. General Nordes, I'd like to better understand the use of this funding and how it will be chosen and why it's necessary after the Supreme Court's November decision. Given the announcement of the number of troops still deployed on the southern border mission, I would also like to better understand how it will continue to impact the readiness of these units and how their missions may be impacting morale and retention. And finally, I'd like to understand the impact of the civilian workforce reductions in last year. What is now being done by the Guard and Reserve components to compensate for the civilian personnel cuts. And what does it do to impact their ability to train? Serving your country on top of managing a civilian job, in many cases, supporting a family, is one of the highest forms of service. You are truly putting country above faith itself with the people that you are representing today with your seats at the table. Thank you all for your efforts and I look forward to a productive dialogue.
Thank you. Um, I think uh we're gonna have a Button zero. Several more members uh coming in uh shortly. Uh but we're going to now uh begin with our witness testimony. Without objection, your full written testimony will be placed in the record. Uh General Nordhaus, we begin with you for a brief summary of your remarks. You're recognized.
Thank you. Before I provide my opening remarks, I ask that we remember too our fallen service members from across the joint force. who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our country, uh they will always be remembered. Chairman Calvert, Ranking Member McCollum, and esteemed members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today on the strength of your locally based, globally engaged National Guard. I thank the fifty-four Adjutants General and Senior Enlisted Leader, John Raines, here with me today for their counsel. Moreover, I want to thank you, Congress, for your support that underpins everything we do. ensuring a stronger and more secure tomorrow. It's an honor to represent four hundred and thirty-five soldiers and airmen of the National Guard. Today, over forty-one thousand guardsmen are engaged worldwide, securing our homeland and supporting every combatant commander around the globe. Your National Guard has had a remarkable year defined by scale and simultaneity of operations. We are powered by our core advantage, the citizen, soldier and airman. they combine the warrior ethos with civilian acquired skills creating an organization that is as innovative as it is lethal a force that is community-based and engaged worldwide. Defending the homeland is the department of war's number one priority. This is the national guard's foundational mission our dual mission serving the primary combat reserve of the army and the air force while also serving as the military first responders and domestic crisis. This is a challenge that we proudly accept. Without hesitation, during Operation Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury, the National Guard crews delivered decisive blows to Iran in lockstep with their joint force partners. In Operation Absolute Resolve, the National Guard fought against narco-terrorism. And daily we responded in the homeland to only two point four million hours of direct support to our fellow citizens. Your National Guard is an indispensable return on investment for America. We represent twenty percent of the joint force, yet we operate on less than four percent of the department's budget. Our decisive capabilities are only possible in our citizen soldiers and airmen when we are trained on modernized equipment and fully interoperable with our joint force. To sustain strategic dominance, we must modernize concurrently with our services to aggressively outpace and overmatch tomorrow's threats with robust investments today. This year I remain laser focused on sharpening our fighting edge to increase our Guardsmen readiness and bolster our capabilities for our core missions for homeland, warfighting and partnerships. We must train and modernize in lockstep with the active components. This requires sufficient and predictable resources in flying hours, weapon system sustainment, facility sustainment, base operations support and in GRIA. When we use these resources to serve our citizens in state active duty current policy sends these force these funds back to the treasury we ask your support in restoring that readiness directly back to our formations our war fighters are our most critical asset and to support their service we must enact duty status reform and compensate equal work with equal pay and benefits and it is imperative that our war fighters are supported by a modernized and properly resourced full-time force The strength of our citizens, soldiers and airmen is amplified through a network of partnerships, which begins in hometowns and reaches across the globe. The jewel of this effort is the state partnership program, which connects the department with nearly sixty percent of the world's country at merely one percent of the theater security cooperation budget. Your help with flexible multi-year budget authority will allow us to sustain the pace of these highly effective engagements. While threats are unpredictable, our readiness is not. We are an indispensable part of the joint force, built to respond with speed, power and precision. We are stronger together because we are integrated at every level. In closing, I want to again thank this committee for your unwavering support that ensures a secure tomorrow for all Americans. Let us continue to support and pray for our warfighters in harm's way. We stand by them and their families and are thankful for their service. We will always keep our promise to the nation and to our citizens to be always ready and always there. Thank you and I look forward to your questions.
Thank you. Thank you, General. Uh, General Harder, you're now recognized for your remarks.
Chairman Calvert, Ranking Member McCollum, and distinguished members of this committee. Thank you for the opportunity to be here today. On behalf of Command Sergeant Major Greg Betty and the more than one hundred and eighty thousand soldiers and civilians of your army reserve, Thank you for the support of our warrior citizens and their families. For just six percent of the total army budget, the army reserve provides over half of the army's maneuver support forces, including the majority of theater level medical engineer and systemic units and more than ninety-five percent of the bulk distribution field capacity in support of the joint force. You go, we go. That's my message to my active duty teammates. Right now nearly nine thousand army reserve soldiers are deployed supporting army and joint force requirements both at home and around the globe, to include support of Operation Epic Fury and operations on our southern border. Our soldiers are in the fight. To keep pace with emerging threats and to prepare for large-scale combat operations or LISCO, we are transforming. The foundation of this transformation is our shift to Geographic Mission Command. a model that replaces a C two structure built for predictable G watt deployments with a geographic alignment that better supports readiness for large scale combat operations. Additional transformation efforts include aligning army reserve units with active formations to drive integration and placing key equipment forward in Europe and the Pacific training and operating as we will fight. To ensure our soldiers and units remain ready I ask for your help in three key areas. First, predictable funding. Continuing resolutions and government shutdowns have huge readiness impacts, and the and the part-time nature of our force makes missed training days nearly impossible to recover. Second, your continued support of our OMAR and RPA funding. In a major conflict, more than thirty-five thousand Army Reserve soldiers are required within the first sixty days. We must be ready. Third, continued support of the much appreciated National Guard and Reserve Equipping Account, or NEGRIA, which allows for flexible procurement of critical equipment. And seven, March of this year, my Command Sergeant Major and I were on the tarmac in Dover, Delaware, greeting our six fallen Army Reserve heroes as they returned home from the CENTCOM AOR. And Congressman McCollum, thank you for being there, your support of Nicole and her family and our and our our whole Army Reserve enterprise. More than thirty Army Reserve soldiers were injured in that or wounded in that same attack. We honor their sacrifice. And it affirms our resolve to ensure every Army Reserve soldier receives counter drone equipment and training at pace with the Army in joint force. To that end, we've dedicated nearly a third of our negrita appropriation to counter UAS systems and will continue to invest in these lifesaving technologies. In closing, while we are your Army Reserve, We are not a force in reserve. We are in the fight. The resources you provide are critical to ensuring the young men and women of your Army Reserve stay combat ready. Thank you for your time today and I look forward to your questions.
Thank you, General. Uh, Admiral Lofgren, you're now recognized for your remarks.
Good morning, Chair Calvert, Ranking Member McCollum, and distinguished members of this committee. For a hundred and eleven years, the Navy Reserve has provided a critical strategic depth to the fleet and the joint force. When our nation calls, we answer. ready, lethal and all in to fight and win today. We are building the Navy of the future and defining the next era of American sea power. Today we are resilient, agile, globally present in a combat credible force that is fully integrated into the Navy's mission. With me today is our Force Master Chief Nikki Rios, a tireless advocate for our sailors and their families. Forrest and I thank you for the opportunity to address this committee on behalf of our incredible Navy Reserve sailors. Over the past couple months in support of Operation Epic Fury, our Logistics Support Wing, flying the C-forty and C-one-thirty aircraft have evacuated over twenty eight hundred personnel including families out of harm's way and demonstrated critical aerial refueling capabilities for our Navy while supporting carrier strike group logistics. These same squadrons have delivered thousands of pounds of critical cargo and tactical airlift support to South Com protecting our homeland and safely relocating our teams out of the path of Hurricane Melissa. When our nation and our fleet calls, the Navy Reserve answers, delivering logistics when and where they're needed. Your support for the K one C one thirty Juliet's and the President's budget will ensure we can continue to answer that call with the capability and capacity our nation requires. Our North Star is clear. We are unambiguously focused on warfighting readiness. Today, fourteen thousand of our fifty-nine thousand Navy Reserve sailors are on active duty orders. serving in every area of responsibility. Our sailors are deployed twenty four seven three sixty five, restoring peace through strength while advancing the foundry, the fleet, and how we fight. We continue to modernize our force and align our resources to war fighting priorities, ensuring that we are ready to fight and win today, tomorrow, and well into the future. Our most significant contribution in the nation's defense and the very foundation of our deterrence posture is our people. A lethal, ready and resilient force is not built of steel and circuits alone. It's forged from the talent, the training and the motivation of our sailors. Therefore, I ask for your full support in funding the RP N, the OMNR and the career appropriations at the president's budget levels. These accounts enable our force to recruit and retain the very best that America has to offer through pay bonuses and benefits and like you, our talent lives in your communities. To ensure they are always prepared, RPN provides the travel budget to get our people to where the fighting forces train. Negria affords the Navy Reserve agility in rapidly procuring and implementing equipment solutions that provide parity with active duty equipment and fill critical mission capabilities. Our investment in our sailors is critical to enabling a mobilization and combat ready force. Every dual weekend, every exercise, every mobilization must sharpen our edge. and must be mashed by investment in modern equipment. To this end, we are posturing our force to deliver advanced combat-focused capabilities that the fleet demands. Replacing our aging C-one-thirty Tango fleet with a modern KC-one-thirty Juliet Super Hercules aircraft meets the fleet's demand to enable contested logistics and sustain maritime power. As I've shared with many of you, our C-one-thirty fleet, operated exclusively in the Navy Reserve, is the Navy's only long-range intra-theater airlift of oversized cargo. Last year, the fleet logistics support wing moved over seventy-two thousand passengers and twenty-two million pounds of cargo, delivering critical munitions, repair parts, personnel and fuel, sustaining carrier strike groups in every theater around the globe. RC one thirty squadrons are in the fight from the first minute of the first hour of the first day. However, this fleet is aging and lacks modern survivability and communications equipment needed for contested logistics environments. We are grateful for the strong bipartisan alignment on this priority. Chairman Calvert, Ranking Member McCollum, and the members of the committee, thank you for your continued support of the Navy Reserve and the sailors, civilians, and families who make our mission possible. Our commitment is clear, to enhance the fleet's lethality and war-fighting readiness by delivering decisive capabilities at the point of need. I look forward to your questions.
Thank you, Admiral. General Anderson, you're now recognized for your remarks.
Good morning, Chairman Calvert, Ranking Member McCollum, distinguished members of the subcommittee. Uh, thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the Commodata Marine Corps about your Marine Corps reserve. I am joined here today by my incoming command senior enlisted leader, Sergeant Major Patrick Fey. The Marine Corps reserve is a critical component of our nation's defense. We are not a strategic reserve held for distant crises. We are a globally engaged operational force that provides the Marine Corps with strategic depth and the ability to augment and reinforce the active component on a moment's notice. Our relevance is defined by our readiness. Providing combat ready units to global operations, the reserve seamlessly integrated into the total force. In fiscal year twenty twenty five, we activated reserve marines for requirements across five combatant commands. Today, we have marines activated in every geographic combatant command, to include combat operations in CENTCOM. These deployments are not just a measure of our readiness, but it is how we build it. We are growing a more capable, combat-seasoned reserve force prepared for high-end conflict. This level of readiness and modernization is directly enabled by your support. We thank this subcommittee for your continued support, especially through the National Guard and Reserve equipment account. For the Marine Corps Reserve, Negria is not just a funding line, it is a war-fighting requirement and a primary tool that enables our modernization. These funds allow us to field the modern platforms and systems our Marines to, that need they train as they fight. With a ninety-nine percent execution rate across recent fiscal years, the Marine Corps Reserve has proven its ability to execute with discipline and speed while maintaining our services clean audit for the last three years. Reserve readiness requires modern infrastructure. The Marine Corps Reserve occupies a hundred and forty-eight reserve training centers, across forty-seven states, and the average condition of our portfolio is rated as poor. While we aggressively pursue efficiencies through programs like facility sustainment restoration and modernization and military construction, navy reserve, to slow this decline, the disparity between our requirements and resources is growing. Continued support for our military construction and sustainment accounts is essential to provide safe, secure, and modern facilities where our marines train. Because at the heart of our success are the individual Marines, sailors, and families who serve with unwavering dedication. They are the foundation of our readiness. With your continued support, I am confident that the Marine Corps Reserve will remain what our nation expects us to be, an elite, combat-ready force, prepared to answer the call, any climb, and place. Thank you for the opportunity to testify today, and I look forward to your questions.
Thank you, General. Uh, General Healy, you're now recognized for your remarks.
Chairman Calvert, Ranking Member McCullum, distinguished members of the subcommittee, it's an honor to be here today, one last time with my senior enlisted advisor, Chief Master Sergeant Israel Nunes, representing sixty seven thousand Air Force Reserve airmen. We are a strategic advantage and a cost in- effective investment. Not a backup force by any shape or or means. Our airmen's unmatched experience provided the strategic depth to deter our adversaries. Our partnership builds interoperability with our allies and partners, and our recent surge proves we are always ready and accessible to respond to any crisis in less than seventy-two hours. This is the reserve advantage. When properly resourced, we're a cost-effective solution for the Department of the Air Force in all mission areas. We operate our installations twenty-eight days a month on just twenty-five percent of our force delivering mission-ready airmen for only thirty cents on the dollar. FISC year twenty-five's closeout was our best on record. Your support and our data-driven tools enable precise resource management and risk-informed decisions. The Air Force Reserve is efficient, it's experienced, it's accessible, and most of all, it's lethal. We need your support to maintain this advantage. Seventy-seven percent of our fleet is over thirty-nine years old. Supply chain shortages, threatened aircraft availability, and a one point five billion dollar backlog means requirements are rapidly outpacing resources. And GRIA is critical and to the modernization agility and maximization of our force and our purchasing power. I look forward to the discussion on the change from dedicated congressional appropriation to inclusion into the President's budget. We're currently hollowing out our nation's future combat capability through disproportionate divestment. Yeah, yeah. Over the FIDEP, the Air Force Reserve is projected to lose twenty point one percent of our inventory, a significant imbalance compared to the other components. Our number one priority has always been and will remain concurrent and proportional fielding of advanced aircraft. As our crews prove their value right now in Operation Epic Fury, disproportionate divestment is an unnecessary risk to national security. That security hinges upon our seamless interoperability, With our allies and partners, recent operations have proven this is an urgent necessity, not a choice. Now in its second year, our Reserve and Allies Partner program continues to build interoperability. While operating on a near zero budget, we've conducted seventy-one strategic engagements last year, including formal partnership agreements with the United Kingdom and France, while establishing new security cooperation pathways with the Netherlands and the Philippines. prioritizing this program is a cost-effective investment that enables our allies to share the burden of strategic deterrence. Finally, I'd like to say thank you, this last opportunity to the c- for your continued support of the Air Force Reserve and our war fighters. I'd also like to thank my wife, Cathy, with me today, who's unwavering support for the men and women and the families of the Air Force Reserve, and to me, deserves a note in this record. Thank you again. Look forward to your questions.
thank you general and thank you this your last uh last hearing i'm sure you're you're gonna miss them a whole lot so
still mark it on the calendar for next year
there you go that i'd like to recognize the chairman of the full committee uh chairman kohl
thank you very much uh mr. chairman i wanna apologize to you and our guests uh for being a little late uh the ranking member and i were elsewhere discharging our duties and uh we got here as quick as we could uh but again we apologize for any inconvenience. Again, I wanna thank you uh Chairman Calvert and Ranking Member McCollum. Uh, I wanna welcome our distinguished witnesses and thank you all for your dedicated service with the National Guard and Reserve components of our force. Let me begin by expressing gratitude to the men and women of the National Guard and the Reserve. You have the difficult task of balancing both civilian and military life. This unique structure gives us an adaptable force, ready to respond. excuse me whether it's deployments abroad uh or disaster response or helping secure our borders you're vital to our national defense and our communities i can't thank the units of the of uh the oklahoma national guard enough for their swift response and assistance every time a tornado strikes uh our communities from the deadly f five uh tornadoes that struck my own hometown more twice many years ago to the most recent tornadoes struck uh the town of sulfur in my district the search and rescue operations and hands-on assistance uh provided by these men and women the national guard uh provide truly encompassed uh what it means to serve i'm proud to say that uh we're continuing to advance regular order further insuring a large omnibus bills are a thing of the past importantly we will also have the opportunity to evaluate your funding priorities alongside the budget request today's hearing is an important forum for you to discuss current readiness, resource constraints and priorities for our guard and reserve components. In just this past year, we've seen clear examples of both the guard and reserve components serving as essential force multipliers, across a range of missions. Uh, we owe it to you to ensure that federal funding reflects your operational demands and the critical dual roles that you serve. I also look forward to hearing about uh the ongoing challenges with recruitment and retention along with efforts to modernize equipment and facilities we require a candid dialogue about your requirements and how congress uh can be a true partner in strengthening our guard and reserve forces quote always ready always there it's not just a motto but a promise you have proven time and time again that you take seriously and fulfill to the letter whether you're in oklahoma or serving abroad uh our guardsmen and reservists deserve to know we have your back again mr. chairman i wanna thank you and i wanna thank uh particularly our witnesses for their service and uh their distinguished uh uh you know uh efforts to uh to help our country and keep it safe and secure without a yield back
thank you mr. chairman now i'd like to recognize the chairman uh the ranking member of the folk of may
thank you very much mr. chairman and ranking member mccollum an Really big thank you to our witnesses uh for testifying here. Today's a lot of brass here, huh Jeff? You know, it's not intimidated though, you know, so Uh, let me just address a few topics this morning. The first is the manner in which our National Guard troops are being treated. I have to extend my thoughts to the entire Guard community, and especially the families of National Guardsman Sarah Beckstrom, who was killed in a senseless act of gun violence. and National Guardsman Andrew Wolf, who was seriously injured. This should never have happened, and the individual responsible must be punished according to the law. Since August of last year, the National Guard has been deployed to Washington DC at the direction of the president in what I view as a political stunt that has gone on for far too long. The president has the National Guard patrolling around the nation's capital, directing tourists, picking up trash. To be clear, these guardsmen have been nothing but professional since they were sent here. My problem is that they should not have been, not have to do this. It is not a responsible use of resources. The National Guard are crucial to supporting military operations around the world and assisting s assisting with emergency response at home. When a severe storm devastates a community, it is the National Guard who respond with tents, blankets, medical equipment, food and water. They are often the first sign of hope for many who have just endured, perhaps, the worst ordeal of their lives. Guard forces are also routinely deployed to support combat operations overseas. Roughly five hundred members of the Connecticut National Guard are deployed in the Middle East. And I am so grateful for their service to our country. And I want to make sure that they have what they need and that they are safe. In his budget, President Trump requests an additional six hundred and five million dollars for continued National Guard deployments in Washington DC. And news reports indicate that he intends to keep the National Guard in the capital until he leaves office. Every day and every dollar spent keeping the National Guard here takes away from where they are needed elsewhere. We should not be fabricating crises just to keep the Guard busy. In addition to the National Guard, please let me take a moment to express my appreciation for our Reserve Forces as well. The Reserves play a crucial role in our armed forces. They provide critical logistical mobility and nuclear mission support. Nine Reserve service members have lost their lives during the war with Iran. Thirteen servicemen have been killed. Nine of them were reservists. I offer my deepest condolences to their families and express a profound sadness at what is a tragic loss. It is critical that we in the Congress provide the resources necessary to support the men and women of our National Guard and Reserve Forces. i look forward to hearing your answers to our questions today thank you and i yield back
thank the ranking remember um i now will go to uh to questions uh we'll hopefully get around to everybody so we'll limit it to five minutes i'll start with myself uh first make a comment uh we all uh as i've heard the the comments about predictable funding uh and i know that's important to all of you and uh i can i think say with a with support on on both sides here that we none of us like continuing resolutions and so uh we're gonna work hard to with the full committee chairman here and the and the ranking members who have worked very hard together to make sure that we have that predictable funding and that we hopefully can avoid uh continuing resolutions um one of the issues that uh that's been important uh i live on a border state state of california that's been extremely important is uh is the counter drug program and and I appreciate the impact it's had uh in our communities. Uh Congress provided three hundred and five million for the National Guard counter drug program in fiscal year twenty-six and provided critical funding for training and operations. And we've also provided an additional thirty million for the National Guard counter drug school program, provided necessary education support combating uh drug trafficking efforts. As you know Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died of fentanyl poisoning over the last number of years. Uh, it's a horrible poison as I call it. And uh, this unfortunately has been inflicted upon uh the American population. So I I appreciate what you're all doing and General Nordhaus, how is the National Guard utilizing these resources to disrupt and de- and degrade illicit drug production to make our community safer?
chairman uh thank you for the question and thank congress uh holistically for the additional funds in this um counter drug program last year the national guard counter drug program took off fifteen billion dollars of illicit drugs uh supporting our law enforcement can't imagine how many lives that it's saved and families that has been uh kept together because uh those drugs have been taken off the street sixty nine thousand other law enforcement agencies and uh agents have been trained uh through the counter drug school program which are funded through uh congress so we cannot thank you enough uh each of the states have a counter drug program and each year it's taken a look at of how they can better it to increase what they're getting after what's in the local area whether it's fentanyl or other drugs and how they can work with their local uh law enforcement agency so each year we tune it up we get better and stronger the previous year uh we took off thirteen billion dollars and last year at fifteen billion dollars so every dollar you give the national guard you're getting huge bang for your buck because our guardsmen are professional they're experienced they use their civilian skill sets uh and come into those programs and make us stronger
well thank you and i i it's a lot of important missions that you do but i i think this is right on top of the list so i appreciate anything you can do to to do this um what uh what uh general again uh what priorities do you have in the coming years we write this budget this year uh if you had to pick uh your top two or three priorities what would that be
uh chairman uh certainly as we look at foundational readiness accounts to be an always ready always there force and as you heard from the other reserve component chiefs here we're operational and when you look at what the national guard is doing in support of the joint force over in uh operation epic fury uh we have to be ready um and trained and the foundational readiness accounts really add to that so that deals with flying hours weapon system sustainment and ops tempo um also as we look at modernization we have to be in modernized equipment whether it's helicopters or whether it's fighters tankers uh bombers or mobility aircraft we have to have those capabilities uh and gria once again does a amazing amount that allows us to make sure that we're interoperable um across the board with our uh services and uh i know how important you heard all the comments from andria so that would be uh my initial comments there chairman
thank you miss mccullough
thank you mr. chair i've got uh two two kind of topic questions and you can get back to me with more information uh should you choose to but i wanna finish up a little more about what I said in my opening statements about the deployment of the National Guard. So, um, the information that we have is that six hundred and five million dollars, uh, for the extended deployment of the National Guard troops for non-military activities for the beautification of Washington DC. Uh, and I assume those activities will support America, uh, as we celebrate two hundred and fifty years. And so they're here now, we'll have a lot of people visiting, i could see that being of of of comfort and and and and joy for everyone uh having the interaction with with our um men and women in uniform however that celebration is gonna end in july and it's been reported that the pentagon wants to keep the national guard troops in through as a as a uh ranking member of the full committee said through january twenty twenty nine that's the end of the president's second term that's well beyond the scope of this budget request so and the budget request for two hundred and sixteen million dollars for the national guard reactionary force is also something that that this committee has been reading about in the paper to respond to incidents so general nordis i have uh just a few questions for you and if you have to get back with more information at the committee truly uh understand we look forward to it how long do you see the deployments for the national guard law enforcement support role in d. c. uh is sustainable because that six hundred and five million dollars in the request is all coming at the expense of something else that the national guard will not be doing um and uh then regarding the national uh guard reactionary force i'd like some more information in detail and we had a little bit of a a discussion in the office
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well where is the funding coming from and contained in this budget um so we we had a brief discussion in the office i think you know where i'm going at and but i'm gonna ask the admiral a question first and then you can both respond i'll kinda pack it together um so the guard usually deploys as a as a as a group i've been to many deployments we have guard in kuwait and jibouti right now they go the reserves tend to i've been to i've been during the the height of iraq and afghanistan i would watch marines deploy as one uh so you don't usually have you know you deploy one and then when you come home sometimes you come home alone you're not even being deployed in the big group um so i just wanna acknowledge that and this leads me to my question to you admiral um you know what is the length of time it takes for a naval reserve sailor to replace a sailor on another platform during a time of crisis you're unique in in what you do with the reserve that way i know i have a cyber security unit in minnesota and there's there's different units that go on the pilots tend to because of keeping hours in that they're they're all going but when you uh have to uh take um one of our your sailors and put them physically on on a on a ship um what is uh how does that integrate how long does it take for that unit's activity to to fully be cohesive so my concern is if we need to provide more proper resources in order for the navy to be successful especially as we look at what they're doing with this blockade right now the long deployment of the ford um you know we wanna make sure that it's seamless for this uh sailors on board the ship the one coming in the one going off the one serving i need to learn more about this
uh rank and member colin thank you for the uh for the question when you look at the uh the mobilizations for uh for your navy reserve uh really they fit in uh into two different pieces you've got the operational support and those units that mobilize together as a unit of action Those can come examples like our SEAL teams that are currently uh getting deployed, our aviation squadrons, our our VR squadrons, our C one thirty and C forty squadrons that are mobilizing as well.
Yeah.
They're constantly refining and training and the criticality is uh around the both the RP N and the uh OMNR budgets, to be able to fund those at the levels requested for them to continue to to hone and refine that edge. So we feel very comfortable that uh the those units of action and those members are ready to go uh right in the first hour of the first minute.
my question on the guard
oh uh ranking member mccollum uh thank you for your question uh as we look at the d. c. safe and beautiful certainly our primary focus is on the safety of our citizens um and as we look at america two fifty coming and uh uh fifa our national guard will be ready to support um in any of those locations uh through their governors and then here in d. c. uh through the secretary uh from that um as we look at our national guard we continue to uh see her service men and women do amazing things uh in support of uh the local law enforcement
i'd i'd i'd excuse me sir i'd in pains me to interrupt you but my time is limited and so i asked about uh the funding contained in the budget for the national guard reactionary force and the request of the six hundred and five million dollars um that uh for for the what we are doing in d. c. that does come at the expense of something else in the line so what are we not doing
uh ranking member mccullum uh we are working with the department and uh reimbursements from um the department from doj and dhs uh we will continue to work with this committee and we look forward to making sure that we can do all the mission sets that we've been directed to do and then also make sure that we can provide all the statutory training to the national guard cause we know how critical it is
i'd like a detailed breakout of the money and what training is not being done thank you mister chair
yes ma'am
thank you mister kohl
uh thank you very much mr. chairman and again uh to our witnesses thank all of you i too have uh budget concerns and requests and you might not be in a position to give me a full answer i certainly understand that but uh i'm just gonna kinda move down the the list here and ask each of you could you give us a quick overview of the role your component is playing in your respective area in uh the current uh military actions in iran uh and uh uh give us some view cause some point i would expect uh a supplemental request to come from uh the administration in this regard and you certainly need to be part of that supplemental uh so uh in so far as you can give us some estimate of what sort of impact this has had on your budget to bait uh it it's impossible to know the exact ending of something like this so uh i wouldn't expect you to give us anywhere near a complete estimate but some sense of how much uh this has impacted you and you know what you might be what would you night uh what we might uh need to uh extend to you to make sure that you can continue your operations uh uninterrupted in the other areas that you're you're responsible for so i'll start general nordhaus if i may with you and uh then just kinda move down the line if that's ok
uh chairman thank you for the question uh as we look at the national guard certainly on the air national guard were thirty percent of the operational force the air force and to not get into specifics were were at least that or above uh in support of the mission sets over in epic fury uh whether it's in tankers fighters uh bombers or uh mobility aircraft and then logistics planning is our platforms across the board uh our guardsmen are doing amazing work and uh making sure that we can take uh um the fight to the adversary and uh but as we look at the budgets we'll continue to work with you and to bring those forward to make sure that we can continue to do all the mission sets and i will say also on the army national guard side they're doing uh amazing work as well on artillery and uh other things to take the fight to the adversary
so i mean just follow up very quickly you mentioned thirty percent uh extraordinary burden congratulations for discharging that would you estimate that you know just in general that's what you would need let's just say we notionally add a hundred billion dollar or whatever supplemental that you would need something in accordance to thirty percent of the total we would expend for air operations
chairman i'd like to get back to you but um that makes sense
fair enough look i know this is not a fair question so or uh and you you can't possibly have the but yes if you can get back to me that would be helpful uh you know i've i've seen enough of these things to see sometimes uh we shortchange the guard and reserve uh you know we're asking a lot out of you when the time comes to uh to get a supplemental i just wanna make sure that what goes uh uh in that supplemental adequately covers your needs eh any information you provide as we progress along be gratefully received um same question if i may to general harter
chairman cole thank you for the question on behalf the army reserve so right right now we have just almost four thousand uh young men and women just little less uh support in operation epic fury uh we are the bulk of sustainment enabling capacity for the joint force total army uh where where we took a reduction from the army in in some of our uptempo uh especially affects our home station training and we can get you those numbers upwards of of sixty million dollars that's the one decrement that that again it's little bit hard for us to make up our young men and women are getting after it uh getting after the home station training but uh that's where we always need some support is is before we go to the mobs site and before we our boots on the ground in theater
thank you uh admiral loffman
yes sir chair mccall i as far as uh our troops that are sailors rather that are uh that are overseas uh the bulk of those uh those sailors are currently flying the uh the c one thirties and the c forties providing a critical uh resupply rearming and refueling for both the uh the carrier uh uh strike groups and uh and other aircraft that are uh that are in uh in that theater uh in addition we are supply or supplying uh teams that are doing uh maritime operations support for for fifth fleet uh as well right now so uh and like uh like uh general northhouse we've got uh sailors that are engaged in the uh both the cyber warfare and some of the uh the integrated uh intelligence uh work as well sir
very good uh general anderson
thank you mister chairman uh predominantly for marine forces reserve these were planned budgeted uh deployments uh and they are forward with thirty first mu uh to include civil affairs to include our light armor reconnaissance uh teams that are there uh and to the ranking members uh comment we also have the individual augmentees go in with specific skill sets that help uh, send comms. So, uh, to get to a specific number for you as far as funding for your your Marine Corps reserve and increased readiness and training uh I'd have to get a more specific number back to you but right now as we plan in the Marine Corps, we plan across the FIDEP. Uh, so our deployments for our reserves are planned and they're already budgeted, uh, so it's a predictable life for our Marine Corps service.
Great. And General Healy.
Thanks for the question, sir. The um, with the Air Force Reserve what we did was close to a miracle our contract is seventy two hour deployment uh we we rarely test that the normal time scale for a predictable deployment cycle is a hundred and eighty days prior but we knocked out greater than three thousand deployers in that seventy two hour mark in the form of multiple orders so if you were to go around to any of the reserve own bases right now whether it be cargo air refueling you're not gonna see any airplanes there and you're not gonna see any people there they all moved out already greater than three thousand total from an emergent perspective uh but in addition to that we've also got double that in our expected overseas normal rotational basis as well so we're fully vested in all the cargo air refueling intel command and control uh i'd i'd classify the impact that we're gonna have depending on the length of this will be in the form of you know the the the standard for a reservist or a guardsman is a week and a month and two weeks a year well that money that we typically use for that is not gonna get used because they're being used for contingency operations likewise all the aircraft that we typically use for training day in and day out are currently deployed so there is no opportunity for those back at home that have not deployed to continue that training so it's little more challenging from that perspective all of our support agencies in non-deployed activities outside of ops and maintenance there's realistically no impact on it but we're watching closely the timing and how to manage that money when they do return
well thank you very much and again i think you know collectively your testimony really underlines what uh uh not every american realize how much of our ability to conduct an operation like this really depends on your readiness and uh what you have at your disposal and of course it's not a predictable uh exercise you can do the best you can to plan but none of us knew this was coming and none of us knew how long it would take or know how long it will take so just thank you for your adaptability thank you for what you're doing and please uh to uh you yourselves and to the administration when the time comes to uh send us a bill cause it certainly will uh we need to make sure that your forces are uh receive what they need for what they've used uh and uh what they need in terms of recovery time retraining what have you uh so that you're ready uh god forbid if we need to to call on you again anytime soon uh so again thank each of you for your service thank you very much uh to the men and women that you respectively lead in in their service to the country Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
Thank you. And before I recognize the ranking member, I just wanna agree with the chairman that uh we look forward to receiving the supplemental uh from the administration. And obviously there's operational cost that's gonna be that we need to to recover in in this and uh I suspect on M costs and additional costs. So, I'm hoping that's reflected in the supplemental. With that, uh, the ranking member, Mr. Lora.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, Uh, I understand that the Guard uh still flies over two hundred Lima model Black Hawks, and they are scheduled to reach their end of year service end of service life in twenty thirty-two. We have heard that the Army National Guard has validated requirement of two hundred twenty-five Black Hawk aircraft. And for twenty twenty-seven the budget only requests one Black Hawk for the active army, and zero for the National Guard. At the same time the budget proposes that the C H forty-seven Chinook procurement drop from eleven to five. The Guard flies both platforms in support of domestic missions every day, performing disaster response, medical evacuation, search and rescue on top of their overseas commitments. Um, I have a question for General Nordhaus and for General Harder on this on this question. General Nordhaus, can you speak to the Guard's requirement for Blackhawks and whether your current aviation inventory is sufficient to meet mission demands? What do these procurement and modernization reductions mean in practical terms, for what the guard can do and cannot do
ranking member deloro thank you for the question uh as we look at the national guard and work with the army uh our army aviation eh is critical across the board for all of our fifty four in the mission sets that they do in the homeland and in the war fight as we look at the oldest limas some that we will divest um it's a small percentage that we have to make sure that are double the price to fly uh are hard to maintain and so as we look at bringing in uh mic models in transition some of our lemurs to mikes have cascaded down uh from uh other compost into the army national guard and then also some chinooks that come to us
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uh and then what we wanna do is be able to take that investment into the mv seventy five
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that new platform with the army and so we feel very nested with
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uh general and army as we go forward
But but but the MV seventy-five is a ways off. And my question is you whether your current aviation inventory is sufficient now to meet mission demands. And what do the procurement and modernization reductions mean in practical terms for what the guard can or cannot do? Do you have what you need? I mean, I I I understand what the transitions, but this is now. This is current. The MV seventy-five is no deployable uh prototype until the end of next year probably so what where are you now
yes ma'am i i i think we're in a ok spot
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but we need to make sure that we continue to bring uh other mikes from uh the other compost into army national guard make sure that we take the oldest aircraft that are twice as expensive and take that money to be able to put those parts and increase the rates on the mike models and limas that we do have as we bring new aircraft on in the future.
ok well seems to me that we have a gap here of uh which i think we need to address and we can't fully address it now but i think we have a gap in what you need in terms of of aviation requirements going forward especially with what the president's budget looks like in terms of this this area and uh going from uh i know people think that i have a it's parochial because uh we we build the black hawks in in my district but you go from what uh you know uh uh twenty four to one guard gets zero chinooks are down so seems that we need some real analysis of where all of this is as we move forward general harter uh i wanna ask about the army reserve the transformation initiative proposes eliminating the army's reserve's rotary wing capability raises concerns about retaining qualified aviators and maintaining their expertise at a time when commanders continue to signal demand for aviation support. How is the army thinking about preserving that capacity and what risks should we we understand here in the congress?
alright remember deloro thanks for that question so as you're aware the army made the decision to divest of two of our brigades uh but but congress also put a restriction not to turn in anything you know until until june so we have two hundred and twenty eight aircraft uh we have turned in a few of the older lima models
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uh we still have all of you know all the remaining aircraft and and we're maintaining those aircraft as as as you stated and as we all well know our pilots are seasoned and qualified we have developed some models where we will continue to retain those pilots in support of our combo one and combo two teammates so the army reserve right now stands stands by to support the needs of the nation as directed
ok thank you could i do another question mister chairman or do i want
you you need additional time
ok ok just yes if i can i'll i'll try to be quick
yeah
um twenty two adjutant generals wrote to this committee on april first saying the air force needs a minimum of seventy two new fighters per year just to begin reducing the average age of the fleet and that cascading legacy aircraft from the active component uh to the guard is not recapitalization they have also noted that thirteen of the twenty four Air National Guard fighter squadrons remain programmed on F sixteen post block aircraft with no recapitalization plan on record. Yet the budget again, twenty twenty seven requests a total of thirty eight new fighters, barely half of the reported minimum requirement, and I do not see any of those aircraft specifically designated for guard or reserve in the budget documents. Significant gap between what the reserve components have validated versus what the budget looks like indeed. to to to provide. Again to to um I'm gonna I I'll ask both questions at the same time. General Norhouse, current rate. When do the Guard Fighter units begin transitioning to modern aircraft? How are you thinking about the path forward for those thirteen Air National Guard squadrons still rating recapitalization decisions General Healy, the Air Force Reserve operates its legacy platforms and faces similar recapitalization challenges. What does a procurement level of thirty-eight fighters per year compared to the seventy two identified by the adjutant general's mean for the air force reserve readiness and mission capability over the next five years so i'll start general northhouse
thank you uh ranking member uh your numbers that you talked about there thirteen of the twenty four do not have a current plan we certainly are working uh rapidly with the air force to find out what that fielding plan is in the future we're currently looking at a couple mobs uh mobs sixteen and seventeen which should be f-thirty fives uh and then the f-fifteen ex's coming to several of our uh wings uh in the future but we need those additional aircraft and
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you know the defense industrial base so that we can have the aircraft that can come into our formation as we see fighters are critical uh our fighters were uh epic fury absolute resolve midnight hammer
yes amen
and so uh recapitalizing these air national guard fighter units is critical for uh for our nation
thank you jerry
ma'am you're speaking my language the uh last year's comments specifically got after the fact that whether it be nellis and our aggressor f-sixteens divested without recapitalization or white man a-tens currently slated to divest in twenty seven twenty eight associated with moody in addition to our homestead f-sixteens with no scheduled recap at this time so this has been something that i've been trying to push for my end in the air force reserve through the air force and with help from congress when i specifically talk about concurrent proportional fielding of weapons systems hmm i think there is some positive outlooks with regard to homestead in the near future and a conversion from f-sixteen pre blocks to f-thirty-fives and we're also optimistic that we might have made some headway with regard to whiteman air force base and the divestment of the a-tens and a possible recapitalization there mmm it's something that's been since day one since i came in the job and it's gonna be day four hundred sixty you know day four years worth
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when i exit the job that i'm gonna be keep asking for this time
yeah uh so now uh i appreciate the candor just make one final comment is we talk about f-thirty-five we talk about uh f-f-sixteen see the need for that but in no way have we talked about black hawks and the need for that i think that's uh that's a future conversation and one that i'd like to keep in touch with you on i look forward to working with you to see that the budget that we are doing reflects that reality of making sure uh you have the equipment and the modernization and the support to be able to do it with the guard and the reserve thank you mister chairman appreciate you
thanks general and also i wanna point out yeah i you know we're gonna be flying black hawks for a long time and uh i i agree with you we have to have a smooth transition as we move to the next platform
a smooth transition smooth transition
and uh the also you know something we should bring up is the itip program and uh to reengine uh the uh both the black hawks and the apaches to more power more range better capabilities some of the older uh platforms that were flying so uh that's something we all need to work on to to see if we have the suitable funds for that judge carter recognize
thank you mr. chairman and thank all of you for for being here uh general hardin united states army reserve is currently operated all over the world right highlighting the vital role the army reserve plays in defense of our nation pardon me for my voice importance of being man trained and equipped to meet the demands of large scale combat operations is important can you talk to me about your biggest equipment and modernization concerns i'm sorry about my voice
thank you congressman thank you for that question and so you know exactly right sir as i stated earlier we're we're the bulk of the enabling capacity for the joint force uh so i tell you events we continue to work with the army on modernization of our fleets a bulk uh bulk petroleum distribution water purification uh obviously all distribution assets truck formations uh but what i'm seeing as uh in in i said in my open comment about leveraging the grija the ability to have protection capability in our formations uh the threat is ubiquitous uh obviously evidence what happened uh at the port of schwebe in kuwait but we see that everywhere we go what the enemy can deliver with drones uh and missiles and how do we defend ourselves at echelon uh this is not an infantry fight it's everybody's fight and so what we are looking to invest in in the army reserve is for
The uh garden reserve units are mobilizing on short notice how effective are the current uh preposition stocks and equipment sets to ensure the they deploy with modern mission ready capabilities rather than legacy systems
well sir sir again our we're about one you know we get about one percent of the army's modernization dollars uh not complaining stating a fact That's why NIGRI is so important to us. Uh, but what we have been doing, uh, is posturing some of our equipment that has been modernized forward. So we've positioned truck maintenance company ammunition uh formations forward uh in Europe. And we're doing the same thing in the Indo-Pakom AOR. The army reserve is maintaining that, so that we can fall in on that modernized equipment, should we be asked to deploy in fight in support of the nation.
That's a good idea.
Thank you, sir.
And by the way, there are lot of people that I see every day that are coming up with solutions for water and other things that look really good. So, we'll be looking at that too for you.
Yes, sir. Thank you.
Thank you, Chairman.
Thank you, gentlemen. Miss Capter.
Thank you, Mister Chairman, and welcome to our distinguished guests this morning. Thank you for your service. I'd like to begin my remarks by recognizing uh the noble service of captain seth kovil uh captain curtis angst and master sergeant tyler simmons from the ohio air guard one hundred and twenty first air refueling uh wing who lost their lives over uh iran recently members should uh cosponsor if they can house resolution eleven twenty nine honoring these fallen ohio national guardsmen i've served in congress a long time and you have served a long time as well. I just wanted to offer an observation. The Department of Defense is the largest uh in terms of budget capacity in the entire federal government followed by the Department of Homeland Security. I speak today on behalf of local police and sheriffs and just um give you a conundrum. Um I am concerned about the deployment of federal uh guardsmen and reservists into the streets of our communities and um I'll speak on behalf of my sheriffs and local police. They say to me, Marcie, does anybody in Washington know that our jails are full of three quart- three quarters of the people in them are mentally ill uh and the others are drug addicted and um uh have been arrested for serious crimes. Uh in addition we also house, as we arrest them, uh people who are uh coming from other countries and commit crimes. But uh in my hometown uh the jail is almost half a century old. It's a disaster. They've not been able to have the money to actually rebuild the jail. Um and the salaries are very different for the individuals who work there, both for the sheriff and for the local police. And uh the US Department of Justice, which doesn't get the funding of the Department of Defense, uh here in Washington, has some grant programs that can help our local policing, but let me just say these officers at the local level and these sheriff's deputies know the turf. And I am really concerned about what happened in Minnesota and what could happen in other places. And the diminishment of local policing. I was here when homeland security was established as a department and the um I brought money for our border patrol. Uh the Air Guard has the Northern Border Watch in our area. But we have all the, I'm not against homeland security. We fund it. But, they have big buildings, new vehicles, higher salaries, and our local sheriffs and police are being undervalued. I was recruited to run for this job by an officer who'd been a, in the military, came home unfortunately was shot, lost his eye, lost part of his face, and uh, did other things that were extremely valuable to our community. But I'm just saying to you, as you get into meetings at the federal level, be aware that locally what's happening is the diminishment of our policing forces at the local level. Uh, if for juveniles, and we have the arrest of many ju- our juvenile detention facility is a disgrace. And the um, there are no places for the children once they're uh sentenced, the juvenile detention facility can't hold them all And the Department of Justice doesn't have the money to actually provide for, I call them repatriation programs, bring these children back to society in a way that they're more whole. So, as I look at you and your engagement and what the executive branch asks you to do, I see this withering. Maybe it's different in Texas, maybe it's different in California, I don't know. But locally, all you have to do is just compare the vehicles of Homeland Security to the vehicles of the Sheriff's Department. and the vehicles of the Toledo police, for example, and then look at what they're paid. Look at what they're paid. And I really think there's something creeping forward here that isn't good for our country and we need to have an equal emphasis or added emphasis on our local policing and our local sheriffs and they deserve the kind of attention. They they have particular knowledge. They have uh they live there. And so I just think that there's a real mismatch here and I wanted to place that on the record. I also um wanted to um mention that um uh General David Petraeus recently wrote an article um and in the Wall Street Journal about the changing nature of modern warfare. And though you won't have time to answer my question uh orally here, uh he talked about multi-domain unmanned systems and what Ukraine is teaching us about the nature of modern warfare versus what is happening in the Iranian domain. And I think what he says about uh mass precision, about AI, about unmanned systems, about sea drones, et cetera, I think there's a lot we have to explore there in terms of how we train our forces to meet this new need and I wanted you to comment on that and hopefully there'll be a second round. Thank you and I yield back.
To the general ladies uh query on uh on that issue with mister petraeus's uh resumption
yes chairman
uh with that uh next uh mister diaz baler
mr. chairman thank you very much um uh and to all of you thank you for your service and you know you don't have to remind us but it's important to remind i think the american people how how indispensable um and you are to our national security uh to the to you know without you we don't have the military that the american people expect and and i just it's an it's it's it's so important to just remind people and other members of congress as well uh you know hillary uh you have served for what thirty seven years thirty seven years uh and by the way my understanding is that you're gonna be probably the only person that's not moving to florida uh but but you know you would be welcome there you would you would be welcome there i i just you mentioned uh um i think i was answering your question about um about the potential transition to f-thirty-five for example in homestead air force but i i i i don't need to go into the details now i just do need to uh take a a short time uh you know to thank you for for um you know you in in the time that i have had the privilege of of knowing you uh you really are so in tune to some details that some people may not be aware of and and part of that example is your intimate knowledge of of what homestead base means to our national security so again i'm i uh i i don't need an answer from you uh i just wanted to let you know again that uh that i appreciate uh not only your service but uh but your detailed knowledge uh and and uh you mentioned that you've been on this case uh for a long time and i think um uh you know god willing uh that will succeed uh but i just again not not only want to thank you for your service but the fact that those who may not know you as well uh need to understand that very few people have been as persistent but as knowledgeable uh including about some areas that some people may not be so knowledgeable about so again uh while you may not go to florida i just know that you have somebody who greatly admires your service and and in not just on the not an air force pun not on the forty thousand level but also on the detail level so thank you sir thank all of you and with that mr. chairman uh thank you for uh a yield back
you're already taking all our californians so you i'll limit that uh next uh mr. case
Thank you, Mister Chair, and I join everybody in thanking each and all of you for your incredible service. Uh, General Healy, I I share all of the sentiments, um, I think, uh, among many accomplishments you've just been a really good partner, uh, with Congress. I think that's a skill, um, to treat this as a true partnership. Um, and you've done that and maybe that can be one of your, uh, next jobs is consulting on partner- partnering with Congress, assuming you want to be anything to do with us. um and um to each and all of you um thanks so much for uh taking care and advocating so effectively especially for my hawaii guard and reservists i think they would say that if they were here uh many of you have visited um really appreciate that um and i think um to to jerry cole's comments about um about um your service in our states in time of need i think back to the the three or four crises we've had in hawaii just over the last four or five years covid of course uh red hill um uh the maui wildfires and more recently uh some very severe flooding uh you've been involved in a critical part in all of that so that needs to be uh emphasized also as as your readiness in those times of need so i thank you for that um we're sorting through kind of a confusing budget right now uh we have been presented with um a very large budget with insufficient detail um and that budget is um conflated as between discretionary and um a proposed reconciliation funding we've been trying to sort through uh the overall thinking of the department uh the individual services and the individual components in terms of what is allocated to each of those buckets and why um and i'm noting that um in the case of of the guard and the reserves uh there's not a whole bunch of uh proposed reconciliation funding and we've talked a lot about and procurement uh lines here we all acknowledge the importance of that but how are we actually getting after that in funding that's really the the bottom line question here um and i'm i'm just i'm just trying to piece through the little information that we have already and i don't think that there is any fy twenty seven proposed um the um reconciliation mandatory funding um for any of you with the exception of the navy uh reserve equipment i see aircraft procurement at one point one nine uh billion dollars in proposing the mandatory side of things um admiral do you know what that's for and why it's in reconciliation as opposed and by the way you've got a big a big lump a lump there as well one point seven five five billion in the in the discretionary budget but what why are you loading some of that into um um reconciliation and what is it
arsham in case i appreciate the Appreciate the question. As I look at the uh look at the President's budget uh and looking at the two pieces, I view that as two bills one budget is the way I the way that I I see that. Um you know with regards to uh to replacement of uh of C-one-thirties for us, it remains our our most critical uh requirement for uh for the Navy. Uh, it is our only uh intra-theater long-range uh uh transport to to both uh you know, rearm, resupply and refuel the fleet. it's the only aircraft that will deliver oversized cargo in theater uh and right now it's actually performing uh in flight uh aerial refueling which is a critical critical component for us those aircraft right now are thirty five years old they have mission uh capability rates in the thirty percent uh the new models of juliet's they've got uh they've got uh better survivability they've got better communications uh integrated uh systems that really will allow us to fly farther faster and higher uh and provide a greater degree of a survivability for those workers
ok ok so that's c one thirty replacement is that uh that is that what that line is there
sorry i i i uh i i oh uh i'll take that question for the record as far as as as you can stare at that sir
ok i'm and and in addition to the question why why the distinction between uh between discretionary and reconciliation is that a is that a uh contingency plan in terms of in terms of congressional funding or is that um you know phased or what that that's a rhetorical question for now
yes sir
ok and also i'm just noting here um in the uh budget and this is on the discretionary side i'm seeing procurement of ammunition navy and marine corps um is that in your uh uh and and it it's listed under guard and reserve so is that is that you and what is what kind of what kind of uh ammunition are we talking about is that related at all to the iran war or is that a normal uh replenishment or what
sure i can only speak to the uh specificity around the reserve i'm i'm not familiar with the details but i'll work with your staff and take that as a as a follow-up sir
ok thank you very much yes i yield
thank you mr. chairman um and to each of you gentlemen i had the privilege of meeting and greeting with each and every one of you today and your staff's profound thanks your questions your testimony today has been impeccable um to the reserve and guardsmen uh in the office or in the listed ranks thank you so much for what you do everyday, crisis after crisis. um my questions are gonna be uh largely related to all of you all uh on the logistics and sustainment in the indo-pacific as you've all laid out reserve components and the national guard play a critical role in the joint forces logistics and sustainment enterprise including
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aerial refueling strategic lift fuel distribution ground support water purification and other critical needs my question for each of you for the panel what is the highest priority need for each of you so that we can realistically address in the next couple of years that will meaningfully improve your logistics and capabilities to sustained prolonged combat operations in the western pacific and we can just go in whatever order you all determine
thank you congressman uh appreciate uh uh appreciate the question uh while we have you know uh the nds directs us to look at western hemisphere command as well we are we are laser focused on what's going on in the indo-pacific when you look at the the the the size of the space that you have to move around out there my csm and i were just out there not that long ago korea guam hawaii uh met with some of our troopers out there I tell you, our our investment continues to be we continue to provide the bulk of the sustainment capability forward. Bulk fuel operations, water purification, ammunition resupply companies. And so continuing to invest in the modernization of those of that kit, uh, is critical to us. And then probably affording us the opportunity to position that forward and, and, and we're working with the COCOM and and the Army service, uh, the ASCC out there, USER PAC, but That's the critical uh mission for us in the Indo-Pacom EOR.
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Congressman, I appreciate the uh question around the Indo-Pacific. Um, when I look at uh the Indo-Pacom, the one thing that hasn't changed since the end of World War Two is geography. Uh, we're still uh we're still wrought with uh with the tyranny of distance. These vast distances, they're they're still the same challenges and but they and they still define how we fight today but what's changed is the threat and we have to operate across that same in a contested environment. But when you think about it, survivability, speed and flexibility matter more than ever. So for us, that KC one thirty, Julia, it's critically, critically important. It provides us the only service retained capability, the ability to uh to operate from those short austere runways all across the Pacific. And uh, those aircraft provide additional operational performance. Again, as I mentioned, greater distances, faster and higher. Critically important and it also provides a uh greater degree of uh, I would say, fiscal responsibility.
thank you sir
uh congressman for the national guard we look at uh probably the number one is tankers so fourteen of our seventeen tanker uh units are in the k c one thirty five um so those need to be you know modernized as we go into the future uh concurrently uh with our air force as we look at also connecting those platforms um through angria funds and other things that we do to make sure those platforms are connected uh in that vast uh indo paikom theater and then certainly thank you to congress on the c one thirty j's uh as we finish out uh hopefully get to all j's here in in the future And then certainly any modernization that we can do with uh, INCREA and the C-seventeen to make sure it's connected as well on that platform for that theater.
Thank you, sir.
Congressman, as you know, the Marine Corps is focused on the amphibious nature uh of of the fight, uh understanding our role uh in that AOR and we're certainly uh keeping an eye on amphibious uh ship readiness and uh look forward to the landing ship medium coming online and and coming forward for us as a Marine Corps reserve for our individual marine. we are committed to the light tactical vehicle, vehicle family, that includes JLTV, uh, and, and ULTV, I'm, I'm concerned that the price may increase as the, uh, as the army has pulled out of that program. So as a, as a service for the Marine Corps, we're focused on, um, staying committed to that program, it's gonna move everything, not only our Marines, but our Nemesis missiles, TPS eighties, uh, other kit that we have, uh, for the mobility on the island chain. So, our number one focus will be, uh, getting those JLTVs to the reserve so I can have those Marines trained and ready to go when they do get into the first island chain.
thank you sir
yeah and i agree with general nordhaus with regard to the air refuelers as being our number one priority in the theater using our uh angria dollars to make sure they got the online aside communication uh ensuring they got lercom as the defensive system as well converting to kc forty six as well uh so that we can uh use it as a force multiplier i'd also add that continuing exercises as a reserve component with the active component to insure that we're completely interoperable in every type of o plan uh, excursion and then lastly the air force reserve has a significant presence with our civil engineering and the ability to get out there and actually set the theater prior, is one of our priorities. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. I yield back.
Thank you, uh, Mr. Chairman and, uh, gentlemen, thank all of you for your service to our country, and, uh, a special, uh, good wishes to you, general, and, uh, and your wife. as you um enter the next phase of your uh your service in your life i um wanna start if i can uh general north house uh i serve at the i have two responsibilities here the intersection of both which come together around a question i wanna ask you i serve not only in appropriations but as the ranking member on the committee on house administration which has responsibility for federal elections um the president raised uh eyebrows couple months ago when he said he regretted not deploying the national guard uh during the twenty twenty election as you uh can imagine uh that has caused uh considerable anxiety around the country millions of americans concerned about the potential deployment of military personnel at uh election um uh centers or at precincts throughout the country in the midterm elections what assurances uh can you give not only to me but the millions of americans who have those concerns about the deployment of national guard at polling places
uh congressman um the national guard obviously always follows constitution law policy and guidance both at the federal and the state level uh now the national guard has been utilized by governors um really back in the twenty twenty and twenty twenty two time frame due to covid-nineteen and it was due to a lack of volunteers and so guardsmen had in in multiple states done things in administration logistics and cyber but they were always in civilian clothes to my knowledge and they were always in so support um so that those state um polling stations could execute and our citizens could could vote uh as normal and so as we go forward you know that the national guard is is always gonna follow the law the constitution and all policy and guidance and we're there to increase public trust and make sure that our citizens have the ability to do their duty of voting.
Good, well I I appreciate that and I uh uh would love to stay in touch with you if if anything untoward seems to be happening or any concerns are raised by people that they see warning signs that would suggest some uh nontraditional uh uh participation by the guard uh in our uh in our national elections but i i do appreciate that and just wanted to raise it with you if i could uh continue on a more traditional topic um uh general as you know the hundred ninth um airlift wing of the new york air national guard and you and i have talked about this and always appreciate your stopping by the office and chatting but it provides the military's only ski equipped airlift capability supporting critical operations in the arctic and the antarctic uh the missions have become increasingly important uh as polar regions take on greater strategic significant the president and others have talked about it in global power competition and the l c one thirty fleet is aging i know i've shared this with you before i wonder if you can give me an update on the strategic value of the hundred and ninths polar mission and how we can recapitalize the uh l c one thirty fleet uh um enhance their operational capabilities and align with broader national security priorities
uh congressman morrell uh i actually went to the south pole on new york's l c one thirties uh incredible aircraft as they upgraded to a different props in the capabilities uh with the h models that they have that capability to be able to have c one thirties uh whether it's in the southern uh you know south pole or whether it's in uh the arctic is gonna be critical going forward we appreciate everything congress does uh to move us in that direction and look forward to working with the air force in this body to make sure that uh that capability remains strong and as we go into
very good sir um and in my last minute um in two thousand twenty one general three highly experienced new york army national guard pilots chief warrant officer steve skoda chief warrant officer daniel priel and chief warrant officer christian uh koch were tragically lost in a helicopter crash during a a night a training flight in my district um a stark reminder of the inherent risks in rotary wing training and operations um any lesson learned from these incidents uh being incorporated into updated training protocols simulator use or crew coordination uh that we should know about
uh congressman let me just start off by uh i'm a longtime aviator uh not only flying f-sixteens and f-thirty-fives but flying for a major airline and i have a son flying this morning called me last night he's doing a cross country cause he's getting his pilot license you can believe i'm talking safety all the time this last week i had the team in from both air national guard and the army national guard i do a quarterly to make sure we're looking at all the safety across the board i'm happy to report that the national guard on the army national guard has had no class a's in twenty five or twenty six um it is a major focus of uh both the army national guard and the air national guard across uh aviation that we have to learn these lesson from safety we have to put them out so they're doing stand-ups on a on a regular basis to make sure that they're taking uh uh lessons learned from incidents that have happened recently and ones that have happened years ago so as they do these stand-ups they can talk and they can remind even the newest pilots of how little bit of loss in concentration or not understanding uh how something uh might effect uh the safety of their flight uh comes into play and it makes them better and more safe and i'm seeing on the ground uh safety and on the air safety both for air national guard and army national guard the trends are are down and going in the right direction
Very good. Thank you again, gentlemen, and to the men and women who served with you, appreciate uh your service to our country. I yield back, sir.
Thanks, gentlemen. Mister Alzi. Hey, Mister Chairman. Thank you all for being here. Uh, before I get started with my comments and questions, I'd like to s- thank uh Cathy Healy. Um, the unsung heroes of all of these men in front of you are the families. You have carried the water for your husband and his fam- and your family for nearly forty years, if not more. And you never get the recognition. There should be a a medal that uh equals the medal of honor for spouses, especially spouses of generals who have uh dealt with a lot over the years. And I just want to say thank you and put it on the record that we recognize your sacrifice uh over these years and uh I think I see a tear streaming down from General Healy's eyes. But God bless you, and God bless all the families of members of uh of of what of of the service members. Uh, to the senior enlisted advisors sitting behind the men with the stars, you carry the water for the training and excellence of the National Garden Reserve, and I thank you as well. It is, uh, if you don't know how important we think you are, we were up till three o'clock last night voting. And this is probably the first time I've seen the entire panel up here with all the members of defense appropriations here at once in to include the uh, the the chair of the overall committee and the ranker. So we take what you do very seriously. And as Tom Cole said, we shortchange the guard and reserve. And that's always evident when we go into conflict, because whoever has to clean up whatever mess that wasn't planned for, is covered by you and your services. And you do so with with a professionalism and expertise that doesn't exist in the active duty. So whenever there's a mess that's been made, we go to the experts, which is why you should, I believe, have the best of everything we have you should have the newest of everything we have because every pilot that you've got in your respective uh units they're the ones that have three thousand hours as opposed to the newest uh pilots in in the act of duty and i think that that uh getting the newest of of everything is extremely important when the f forty seven comes out i think the reserve should get the second squadron uh when uh the m v seventy five comes out i think that the the uh the reserve should get the second squadron Cuz you're gonna work it out in ways that only those experts have, that uh, that's, that stick with it. Uh, and as far as, you know, keeping lines hot, we're about to find out in the Navy, we're gonna have for the first time in seven decades, no li- no aircraft coming off the line that are fighter aircraft. Starting next fall, we won't have a hot line. We're gonna transition from the Super Hornet to the FAXX, but with a three year gap of new, that can't be allowed to happen. So when it comes to the army, we know that you operate within budget constraint, but we should keep the line hot for the H sixty. The H sixty is not going away, ever, it's gonna always have uh areas that it's gonna be needed, uh even as the MV seventy-five comes online, which is not necessarily a replacement, it's just another category. So, they're both needed and I hope they continue. Uh, with respect to tanking, uh, I would say that we need to emphasize more on contract air services uh, domestically, so that when we do have a need for uh for you all and the active component to do tanking whether it's uh the the navy c one thirty j's which suddenly um the the stuff that we have allocated this panel has allocated through our appropriations bills you are using right now is that correct
yeah they've been appropriate we're not flying the juliet yet sir but they're uh they're coming online in uh another uh another year and a half
but you're you're giving gas in a way that wasn't part of the plan
yes sir the uh k c one thirty tangos are are pushing gas right now uh right now uh to uh um carrier strike groups that are operating uh you know just right outside the red sea red sea and uh off of uh off the out of straits or moose
yeah and psab we lost some of those and i think some of those were reserve tankers uh and so when it comes down to combat fighters are sexy but you don't do anything without tankers whenever i would do a seven hour mission in afghanistan i would tank five times i can't do a seven hour mission in those far away lands no matter if you're air force or navy without that the tankers and suddenly when the war gets going people go where are the tankers, and we never have enough, so we need to reallocate uh those um as quickly as we can. So, I think most of the questions have been covered here today, um, you know, you join the military because you love your country and you wanna protect her, that's number one, it's a servant's heart, it's not to be a warrior it's to be a protector, sometimes that requires going to war and becoming a warrior. There's a cost to that. And in the active duty component, we do that knowing what we're gonna do, we decide to stay in the and and serve for the for a career or not. What I think sets you guys apart is you all have another life. You've all done something different. You are all experts in another field. You love this country so much that you've decided to keep the uniform on. And I think that uh, that that it bears noting that for all of the people in uniform here, they have another life and they are continuing to sacrifice um for the for the betterment of our country and when we're talking about protecting this city and i know that it it does cause some some um some hard feelings but the national guard is a protector first where there is no order it provides order and they do so with the heart of protecting our communities so when they are here that's what their goal is and i know that there is some hard feelings about it But the reality is, is that I see these young men and women walking around down at the wharf near where I live. They're the nicest people on the planet. They have other jobs. They have families that they're sacrificing time with to keep order. And they've done a good job. But as we've seen last weekend, down at Navy Yard, order is still needed as the the entire community was overrun, where most of our staffers live. That is a scary thing for them. So I'm glad they're here and providing that order. But I also know that it's a an impact on the community. But, I wanna thank everybody who's doing that right now, and for those of you who provide those forces, I'm deeply grateful. And I've gone way over, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. Mr. Chairman, I yield back my time.
Miss Lee.
Uh, thank you, Mister Chairman. I um, I associate myself with the comments from the eloquent uh, Mister LZ and uh, General Healey and Mrs. Healey, I'm wishing you all the best and thank you for your career of service to our country. um i wanted to uh being from the west um when i think about national guard i think about wildfires and uh general uh you know we have a contingent of airmen from the hundred and fifty second airlift in uh airlift wing in reno that um the high rollers who have been deployed to central command and um i just wanted to ask general nordhaus if those guardmen guardsmen remain deployed uh this has been a record year of no snowpack in the west and i think um one concern we have is preparation for what i believe will be a record wildfire year and very concerning to me um what are the contingency plans um you know if they remain deployed throughout the summer and we see a wildfire uh breakout especially in the sierras
uh congresswoman lee thank you for the question uh yeah our national guard does three of the four units of the mobile airborne firefighting systems they do amazing work i i actually landed and was in uh california as they launched for the first uh missions on the palisade fires um and they all came out um to be able to do that all eight of the aircraft and systems were put in place so as we work with nipsey and with the department we'll continue to watch them very closely and make sure that we have the right aircraft in the right place to get after and serve our nation um to make sure that uh we can take care of those wildfires uh within our department and of course the forest service as well
thank you uh speaking of equipment uh the nevada air national guard base uh has been fighting for years to recapitalize the c one thirty h's um which um which would be helpful to its ability to continue to fight wildfires and i that one of the points against the nevada national guard is deficient in infrastructure to house the c one thirty j's and there's four infrastructure projects that have been identified as critical but only one uh has the documentation to move forward and i just wanna ask if i can receive your commitment to work with me to advocate for the funding for the infrastructure needed to put the nevada air national guard in a position to receive the c one thirty j's
uh congressman lee will certainly work with uh nevada and the incredible wings i've been to both your wings and was recently down with general waters down in in las vegas as well and i talked to general pirak about the criteria we do have moab twelve which will be the stationing of another c one thirty j and so we look forward to uh nevada competing very strongly in working with your state
thank you i appreciate that um when we speak about the deployment uh to uh epic fury um i know that there are lot of young people who have been deployed right now uh who have never been deployed before and general healy we spoke uh about this when you came to my office yesterday uh we talked about the yellow ribbon reintegration program and i guess this is for all the witnesses i'll start with you uh general healy uh what steps are we taking now to prepare to help these reservists and guardsmen when they return home.
Thanks for the question, ma'am, and appreciate the time yesterday. Uh, what we tried to do up front is is routine training just to make sure the resiliency is built up in all of our members going overseas. When they do deploy, they fall on in the same health care system, mental health care system that the active duty enjoys uh, overseas. Uh, this is a little bit different than in previous years. We haven't exercised the muscles, so to speak, to capture people coming back that have been exposed to a tea lamp strike within a few hundred yards.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, it's as we have young people over there, what we're initially trying to do is ensure that they're they're paired up with somebody a little bit more experienced. And with that experience, I would expect resilience. But when they come back, uh, we're very concerned that we meet them appropriately from the first part of embark embarkation to identify if there are any issues that they need specifically addressing. When we do bring them back into our units, we wanna ensure if it's a classic associate and it's got a a medical treatment facility associated with the active duty that they're prepared as well uh to treat any type of mental uh mental after effects uh from being deployed but the yellow ribbon program ultimately is gonna be what's providing that long-term care uh not only for them but for their families we're watching that very closely again we haven't exposed been exposed to this type of conflict in in quite a bit so we're we're concerned about it as well
thank you thank you my time is up i i'm Imagine all of you have the same type of concern. Thank you all for your service.
Thank you. Mr. Womack.
Thank you. Um, this is the money committee. And uh, so I'm gonna talk money here for just a minute. Um, and General Nordhaus, uh, the topic is state active duty reimbursement. And I know you're well versed on it. Uh, and I want my colleagues around the dais uh who aren't familiar with this issue to understand it better, because we need to fix it. If we truly care about these reservists, this is an issue that needs to be fixed. But they're double-taxed when they're aiding our communities in response to an emergency. States reimbursed the Guard for the services, but due to the miscellaneous Receipts Act, A non-federal funding source paying a federal agency causes the funds to be deposited back in the treasury, not in the Guard accounts. The Guard Bureau never sees that money. And then on the backside, the Guard still has to pay for the maintenance of that equipment. So, in Arkansas, this played out not long ago, when soldiers from our fires brigade, our expeditionary combat aviation brigade, our infantry brigade, all in response to a winter storm, operated sixty-six federal vehicles in support of emergency services, the Arkansas State Police, and the state reimbursed the federal government about twenty thousand for that equipment use. But, instead of that money going to maintaining those vehicles, it's now sitting in the Treasury's general fund. That doesn't seem very wise to me. And it's not just in Arkansas, it's playing out all across the country. General Nordhaus, uh, can you elaborate on just how much of an issue this is to the already constrained budget of our Guard?
Um, Congressman Womack, first off thanks for uh allowing me to visit Arkansas last week, uh amazing uh time there and for our office call. Uh, you talked about the fifteen states and the westerns um with a winter storm, but we also have Hawaii going on right now with their flooding, and Guam is now responding to the typhoon. Um, Wisconsin right now has storms up there and so they have Garzman responding, so each one of these across the fifty-four it happens every year these funds go to the treasury instead of back into the guard units so that we can get the equipment back up to speed so when the next winter storm happens or the next flood or tornado or hurricane or event that we can respond quickly we're ready and uh we're there for you and without that we're losing uh those funds are going to um other things that we can't keep the equipment up to speed where it needs to be
yeah um I was gonna ask a question about INGRIA uh but but I just wanna say this, cuz I got another question on another topic that's more important to me right now, and that is um for the first time, Mister Chairman, uh it it it pleases me to know that the um that that the administration has asked for the billion dollars in the INGRIA accounts. Usually you have to rely on the Pentagon uh to make that request and uh and fund it. And then there was one year, it wasn't b- very long ago, if you remember one year, they wiped out the entire Ingria account for another purpose. So, um, this Ingria account is, um, while only a billion dollars, and I say only a billion like that's not a significant, you know, not a it is a significant amount of money. But, uh, over time we haven't been able to keep up with inflation, and so that's reducing really the actual, um, the purchase power, if you will, of of that particular account. But, uh, how important it is in a in in a gr- is Ingria uh to the overall service.
Uh Congressman you've heard from everyone on this table uh that Ingria is the lifeblood of our modernization so that we can be interoperable when we get called to go do epic fury or any other mission sets and we do it innovatively our Air National Guard Air Force Reserve test center uh really gets eighty percent of the capabilities at twenty uh percent of the cost so every dollar that goes into Ingria is really a huge force multiplier. for the National Guard and the reserve component to be interoperable with uh our services.
I I would like for that account to be somewhat indexed, if you will, uh in its request for inflationary pressures. That to me would be very important. Last question, uh combat training center rotations. We um we talked about this yesterday with the army, with Secretary Driscoll and and General Lanive. Um and and I know one of our Arkansas units has taken a spot, uh volunteered to take a spot. uh, at uh, in a CTC rotation, General Nordhouse, can you share how important these CTC rotations are in building foundational readiness and help the Guard uh be that operational force that we so desperately need?
Uh, Congressman, yes, last year I went to Fort Polk for JRTC and out to Fort Irwin for NTC. This is where our units are getting that complex training environment across the board to be able pull that all together. Um, and so, each one of these rotations are critical to National Guard's readiness for mission sets that we might get asked to do or are are part of a gift map rotation, a global force management rotation in the future, and so it gets our units ready to go so that they can go forward. So they're critical to our readiness.
Yeah, and Arkansas's uh our brigade, our infantry brigade is uh one of the units that's gonna transition from the infantry structure to the mobile structure, little less force structure. uh but um even with that i i think the ctc rotations are quite important um i had other questions i'll ask for the regular did you wanna respond to that
um congressman if i can just add one piece uh one other thing that we do at ntc's and jrtc's is we bring our state partnership partners with us and so both of those um the units that were for deployed had their state partners with them you know that's sixty percent of the globe are partnered with uh a national guard state uh territory or the district of columbia And thank you to Congress for the additional funds for that state partnership program.
Great point. Remember, we talked about that SPP being a two-way street. Helps them, helps us. Uh, there's mutual benefit to it. I yield back.
Thanks, gentlemen. Mister Joyce.
Hey, Mister Chairman. Gentlemen, thank you for being here today. Lieutenant General Healy, I appreciate your partnership as the Youngstown Air Reserve Sta- station transitions to the new C one thirty J. This modernization effort is critical for the nine hundred tenth airlift wing which operates the department's only fixed wing aerial spray mission. Can you discuss how this modernization enhances our ability to respond to national disasters and evolving threats?
Aaron, thank you very much for the question. Uh, the nine tenth is a fantastic wing. It's it's one of those, one of those true bases when you get the opportunity to visit it, it's a self-contained wonder. Uh, fantastic people working that mission for years in the only spray system that serves the entire country, pesticide control whether it's oil slicks this current system that they were using under the h models has been effective for years as we transition right now from h models to j's we also have to transition that mass system to an emass system there's delays right now currently in the j model production and delivery to youngstown and there's also delays with regard to certification and availability of the new emass system we're gonna run into a a bit of a gap i predict next year in twenty seven where we're gonna be stuck with only one potential uh spray system to service the country and i think that's uh uncomfortable risk with regard to the mission set that they provide i'll be working ideally with congress and the air force to try to extend one to two of our h models from divesting prior to the j models getting there unfortunately the the legacy version of
thank you general uh general uh in your written testimony you made note that over four hundred cyber professionals were activated in twenty twenty five to respond to network intrusions in your written testimony you made note that over四 hundred cyber professionals were activated in twenty twenty five to respond to network intusions against state and local governments. You described the Guard as a cornerstone of a whole of the state's cyber security strategy. Can you discuss how that cyber security collaboration works on the ground, and what investments Congress can make to help strengthen that, those partnerships in FY twenty seven?
Uh, thanks Congressman. Uh. You know, right now I talked about in Minnesota with Winona County, the their emergency management system was taken over and they uh pushed the Guard sixteen or fifteen soldiers out there and what might take months i sounds like talking with the adjutant general is gonna take weeks it's gonna take a little bit of time but they're on it uh the national guard has you know on the air national guard sixteen cyber protection teams uh uh eleven on the army national guard side and so those cyber professionals because they're guardsmen right they work out in industry they bring those civilian skill sets in they're the pros out there that are working for industry and then they come in and with the tool sets that department uh gives them now you have this incredible uh capability there so our guardsmen need to have the same authorities as we go across and think about that from state active duty to total thirty-two authorities and then to total ten so that however they're used and whatever authority that they can best help the community secure and respond within the homeland for critical infrastructure but can also uh do homeland defense as cyber protection teams
uh i can't agree with you more we need to get more involved and that's one area that uh unfortunately with CISA we continue to uh cut or or not provide the information and when i uh brought uh CISA to my uh district and had a hearing i was amazed amount of schools and hospitals and other uh areas that have been attacked already and and we're not doing much to to help or provide that effort at a local level
mmm yeah yes congressman and and i'm gonna brag on the guard members this is not about uh me it's about our guards member but five out of the last six um um championships have been won by these national guard teams because they have the skill sets and they go back and forth across on this on on that and we have a huge exercise cyber shield coming up with um i believe can't remember the exact number but i think it's twenty two states and then they're also bringing in their state partners um across the board from sixteen or seventeen nations so we're not only helping within uh the us but now also taken that partnership capacity and cyber out to uh our partner nations.
that's something brag about uh quickly though i don't have much time left uh what can we do for you to help enhance those efforts?
uh i talked about authority so just making sure that the guard has the authorities needed to be able to if a governor needs them to come out and be able to be on equipment and help the state that they have those authorities to be able to execute it in the tool sets And then uh from that standpoint, also making sure that we have uh funding in the budget to uh grow cyber.
There we go.
Yes sir.
Thank you very much. I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Um, just a couple of comments and I'll ask uh Miss McCollum to make comments before we conclude. Um, uh Mister Helsey mentioned and it's true that uh we have a we have a a fighter problem. Uh, obviously the F-eighteen line is shutting down. Probably shouldn't have done that, but we did. Um, uh, the uh F-sixteens are old that you have, the F-fifteens you have are old. Um, probably a a question uh both for Mister Norhausen and for Mister Healy, General Healy, um, uh, how critical is it uh that we get these fighter production numbers up? In order to make sure that uh you have adequate aircraft to fly uh the mission that we count on. in the future. So let's start with you, John.
Uh, Chairman, I would just take a look at the aerospace control alert mission set. Um, that's done ninety four percent are the fighters uh across the United States, are covered by Air National Guard units, many of those are flying uh older F sixteen aircraft and so they need to be modernized as we get into the future. They have strong capabilities now but as we get to um the future and new threats, we have to make sure that we uh recapitalize our our fighters.
yes sir and the challenge we've dealt with is we've we're gonna see by the end of the fight up uh nine percent nine point six percent of the fighter force within the air force reserve is gonna decrease to about three percent so we're seeing as we diminish and retire aircraft like the a-ten uh rightfully so the the challenge is there's not enough production so directly answer your question we need those production levels to to increase so that we're available to retain that talent one of the examples from uh mister lz comments was last year we had a uh we we offered we had we're taking positions who are interested in an f-thirty-five unit we've received two hundred qualified applications for six positions in that f-thirty-five unit so that's that's the function of if we're in the proper aircraft if we got the proper production we that's a return on investment for uh highly trained well trained active duty force for much cheaper in the reserving guard going forward.
Absolutely.
Mister Chairman, if I could as a Marine Fighter Pilot,
Sure.
if I could chime in on that, cuz it is important to us as well as we transition to the F-thirty-fiveC here in the coming years our last deployment of the F-eighteen is gonna happen in this next fiscal year uh into the first island chain so we are uh certainly uh keeping an eye on fighter production.
Thank you. I, before I I wanna thank you uh for uh coming here today. We we depend on the Guard and Reserve. for what you do service to our country we appreciate that uh very much um general healy uh mrs. healy thank you both for your service um uh hope the the best for you in the future uh i'll miss you at these uh these hearings will be around though but um now i'll uh thank you again and i'll recognize miss McCullum
thank you and i wanna thank you lieutenant uh anderson for uh stepping up and saying something because this is part of my closing remarks um the uh the gria funding um for profile for the marine corps is not good and i'm just gonna put this out on the table marine corps reserves and gria uh funding profile has historically been the lowest of all the service components um the marine um reservists receive substantially less funding than their counterparts in the other services This has put a long-standing trend into perspective. Let me give you some figures. The funding's around four hundred and uh sixty-four dollars per marine. It's not just the lowest of any of the components, but a significant detachment from the next lowest funded service, which is the army reserve, which receives about seven hundred and eighty eight dollars per soldier, over seventy percent more per person than the marine's reservists. You play an important role. You just mentioned um the the part that that deals with flight um but i'm going to task you with some homework we need to make sure that there's parity marines always go into the fight with what they have but we need to make sure that there's parity in what they have uh specially as we look at the angry accounts. mister joyce um brought up cyber which is hugely important and i think uh some information on what you're all doing on cyber would be helpful for this committee especially as department of homeland. um is cutting what it's doing, it's putting more and more uh um not pressure because you're ready to do the job, but it's putting more activity at the cyber uh guard level. We had two attacks in Minnesota this year. First responders were affected with it. And they worked seamlessly with um with our our uh civilian components in the municipalities and counties, but they can't do it alone. These these attacks are getting more aggressive. The third thing I'd point out, mister, mister, uh, uh, chair is, you know, when the equipment was coming back to the guard and the reserve, uh, after, um, Afghanistan and Iraq, one of the things that we asked in this committee was a real good profile on. We know it's not gonna come back the same way, but we were asking for it to come back in pretty good shape so it was ready to go. And this is gonna be true again. as we're deploying this equipment and as you pointed out um sometimes is is much older uh equipment that we were on a list to to uh replace and it's not being replaced fast enough and then you have equipment uh turning turning around coming back not in the same shape it left a home with so uh we look forward to working with you and once again uh thank you congratulations on on service well done We appreciate it. Mister Chair, you're back.
Thank the gentlelady and thank you, thank you to all our witnesses, uh this concludes today's hearing, the subcommittee stands adjourned.
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