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Budget Hearing – Trade and Investment Agencies

Wednesday, September 16, 2026

Summary

  • Conor Coleman (Head of Investments and Chief of Staff, United States International Development Finance Corporation) admitted DFC's $20 billion maritime reinsurance program has written zero policies.
  • Dan Petrie (Acting Chief of Staff, Millenium Challenge Corporation) said MCC signed a $60 million Philippines threshold program modernizing energy regulation and enabling United States technology exports.
  • Grace Meng pressed Coleman on the delayed maritime reinsurance program amid rising energy prices, and Coleman blamed unresolved military security conditions for captains transiting Hormuz.
  • Lois Frankel criticized the America First shift and DFC expansion into wealthier countries, while Mario Diaz-Balart praised the agencies for advancing economic and national security with accountability.
  • Coleman committed to brief Congress after DFC's October board on new Ukraine fund investments, informing fiscal year 2027 appropriations for countering China and securing supply chains.

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Dan Petrie (Witness)24:32 – 27:56

who we partner with. Our programs are time-bound, and we require greater measures of accountability and cost sharing. In short, we have a twenty-two year track record of unlocking growth, opening new markets, and creating opportunities for American firms. Congress has championed this results-oriented approach, and we're grateful for your support in fy twenty seven which will allow mcc to leverage new authority working in a wider set of countries bringing our resources to bear where they matter most in recent months our board of directors has selected five new partners across the indo-pacific and western hemisphere we're excited to be back working closer to home in countries like guatemala bolivia and ecuador as well as key countries in the pacific such as fiji and tonga Under the Trump administration, we're leaning into key sectors such as energy, ports, and securing our supply chains. We're engaging with the US private sector earlier and more often, linking our programs more closely to private sector needs, and ensuring that we're generating American returns. And we're collaborating with our inter-agency partners to better leverage our unique strengths. This close coordination is essential if we are to reach the scale and the speed to tackle common challenges and effectively counter china this complimentary approach is on full display in countries such as the philippines last week i traveled to manila where we signed a sixty million dollar threshold program during the luzon economic corridor investor forum convened by our friends at ustda and the state department mcc has partnered with the philippines before strengthening tax administration to generate revenue and reduce corruption we've also rehabilitated twen uh two hundred and twenty-two kilometers of roads, connecting communities to commerce and providing a lifeline during typhoon season. We're proud to be back working with an important treaty ally. With last week's signing, we're poised to modernize their national regulatory body that controls public and private investment in the energy sector. In doing so, MCC is filling a much needed gap that underpins our collective efforts in the Philippines. unlocking economic growth to shoring up our security to creating opportunities to export us technology this focus on aligning public policies with private sector needs is central to our approach in the western hemisphere as well in guatemala we're seeking to improve transportation master planning and the government's ability to effectively deliver large infrastructure projects this supports the army corps of engineers uh plans to reduce delays and expand the port of quetzal and aligns key corridors critical to us exports and supply chains. In Ecuador, we are pursuing infrastructure upgrades to support acute needs in the energy sector and address aspects of their policy environment. Rolling blackouts, rigid labor, and legal frameworks have long hampered Ecuador's ability to attract investment despite their use of their dollar and a renewed alignment with united states. beyond individual deals to unlock growth the private sector needs efficient operating and regulatory environments. They want stability, they want predictability, and they want a level playing field. And this is what MCC does best. I thank you for the opportunity to be here today and I look forward to your questions.

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)27:57 – 27:57

Thank you, sir.

Conor Coleman (Witness)27:58 – 28:28

Mr. Coleman. Thank you, Chairman Diaz-Balart, Ranking Member, Frankel, and the distinguished members of the committee. for the opportunity to appear before you today on behalf of the hundreds of dedicated professionals at the US International Development Finance Corporation, who are, who advance our mission every day. I would be remiss not to give a shout-out to the many friendly faces of the congressional committee staff in the room. Um, it's been an honor to work with you all and I very much appreciate the partnership.

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)28:28 – 28:29

Friendly faces.

Conor Coleman (Witness)28:31 – 32:52

Since our establishment in twenty nineteen, DFC has benef- benefitted from strong bipartisan support. And we remain grateful for the committee for its enduring partnership, as we pursue our mission to advance US foreign policy goals and drive meaningful economic development impact for our allies and partners. This is a time of unprecedented global competition. As America's adversaries weaponize economic tools against us, President Trump and Congress have called on the DFC to restore US economic security and make an impact globally. December's reauthorization empowered DFC to mobilize capital with the discipline and scale this moment demands. It raised our investment capacity to two hundred and five billion dollars, opened strategically significant sectors across nearly all international geographies, and equipped us to deploy a comprehensive suite of financial products to facilitate mobilization of private capital at scale. We are grateful for the fiscal year twenty twenty seven resources provided to DFC and the House Bill that further our ability to responsibly use our investment authorities, execute on our pipeline and steward our growing growing portfolio. DFC offers a cost-effective approach to achieving a significant impact. Since our inception D- uh inception, DFC has returned over seven hundred and thirty-five million dollars to the US taxpayer and we remain committed to this fiduciary duty. Over the last nineteen months, TFC has built a pipeline of hundreds of investments, totaling nearly a hundred billion dollars across agriculture, healthcare, financial services, energy, technology and telecommunications, logistics and infrastructure, and critical minerals and geographies, uh, most vital to US interests. Every transaction is sourced and screened against consistent standards confronting uh adversary influence connecting projects to American allied markets promoting economic development and catalyzing the private sector for example DFC six hundred million dollar contribution to our critical minerals consortium with Orion resource partners confronts China's seventy percent gap on critical minerals refinery through a durable public-private partnership furthermore the US Ukraine reconstruction investment fund applies a similar playbook to a different context by mobilizing private investment for Ukraine's recovery while creating openings for American firms to lead the rebuild. DFC's transactions translate directly to tangible outcomes for our partners. We measure success not just in the number of deals we execute, but in the economic and development impact of each transaction. In fiscal year twenty twenty-five monitoring cycle, DFC's projects delivered over uh two hundred and seventy five thousand new energy connections in kenya improve sanitation for two point two million homes in india and create hundreds of thousands of jobs across nigeria brazil ecuador egypt and vietnam looking ahead our one point five billion dollar commitment to south and southeastern asia for energy infrastructure will be will bring reliable electricity to millions more Simultaneously, DFC has modernized its investment process to mirror best-in-class peers. We have accelerated decision-making timeline, sharpened diligences processes, and launched an independent evaluation of our portfolio. To support the elevated standard, we continue to recruit top-tier talent. With the resources this administration has requested and Congress has generously provided DFC is positioned to deliver on its mandate. advancing US foreign policy priorities, and driving meaningful economic development and impact for our allies and partners. Our adversaries have spent decades embedding themselves across strategic supply chains and regions, countering them, demand sustained budgetary support, and a deliberate, decisive capital allocation strategy that DFC is built to provide. Thank you for your support, and I look forward to answering your questions.

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)32:53 – 34:47

thank you all thank you all for your testimony before proceeding just let folks know that looks like we're dealing with an audio issue this morning uh so i understand that the entire hearing with audio uh will be posted online after the hearing so again apologies for the uh the technical issues on the audio that we're having this morning uh i will call members uh in the usual sense the way we always do it uh each member will have five minutes for questions and responses and i anticipate ranking member and i anticipate that we will have enough time for two rounds of questions so let me begin the uh the us philippine alliance is clearly a cornerstone of stability but also security alright in southern asia as part of our commitment to that alliance and enduring economic presence in the region secretary rubio recently announced united states commitment to working with the philippines on several critical infrastructure energy uh and technology projects now in my in my opening statement i mentioned the luzon luzon economic quarter which is a trilateral initiative of the us japan the philippines which aims to really catalyze the the economic growth along the quarter and you mentioned it couple of you mentioned it connecting subeck bay clark manila batangas uh the lec investment form hosted by the tda manila appears i mean clearly appears to be a a notable success uh in terms of overwhelming demand for participation can each of you briefly describe the role your agencies are playing in this effort also if you can note a few examples of success highlight uh what you hope to see going forward and potentially um you know some of the uh the issues that you're running into and so if each of you want you wanna start with mister hardy

Thomas Hardy (Witness)34:47 – 36:36

thank you very much um the philippines has been a cornerstone of ustda's work in the indo-pacific region um we have been fortunate to have extremely good partners with both the government but as importantly with the private sector the philippines uh the philippines has a robust private sector um to that end ustda is one of the first movers in uh when the luzon economic corridor was launched a couple of years back supporting the uh railway that's going to connect subex to batangas um based upon those early investments we've now made commitments for aviation security upgrade upgrade just last week um working with the private concessionaire um at the uh main airport in manila working with the private sector again helping them think through their strategy for deployment of small module reactors as they look to both uh new power generation as well as heat processing for their industry industrial base that's going to generate power on and uh jobs for the philippine people um and lastly um sorry and those are the two or three major projects we have going in the philippines uh looking backwards um we work very successfully with um helping uh move chinese huawei technology out of uh the main uh pldt network and put uh supported cisco's efforts to uh deploy the us technology in the uh pldt network in the philippines i think that's a unique opportunity where ustda was able to specifically get in and advocate and support uh us technology that allowed uh philippines to make a concerted effort to move away from huawei technology into a us trusted solution

Dan Petrie (Witness)36:38 – 37:59

mcc has a long history in the philippines as well uh i mentioned earlier we had a previous compact there that strengthened tax administration and reduced corruption that generated hundreds of millions of dollars through uh efficiencies at the bureau of internal revenue we also uh built a two hundred and twenty-two kilometer road uh that was critical it withstood uh typhoon hayan the quality of the mcc's infrastructure and provided uh an essential lifeline for recovery efforts uh island the island of samar we've seen uh going back and evaluating our work up to four hundred percent increase in traffic flows on that road uh which speaks to the uh commerce and the connectivity that mcc can help provide we're back there uh again we just signed last week a sixty million dollar threshold program this is focused on both national and local energy sector regulatory reform at a national level the uh electricity regulatory commission that governs public-private investment in the sector uh is inefficient and we're gonna help streamline that. At a local level there's overlapping mandates uh in inefficiencies and operations there and we're gonna be doing some pilot projects as well as opportunities for blended finance for US tech in partnerships specifically with the development finance corporation.

Conor Coleman (Witness)38:02 – 39:09

Thank you, Chairman. The Indo-Pacific region overall is vital to our mission here at And frankly, we haven't been doing enough in that region. Currently, our portfolio sits at five five billion dollars across the entire Indo-Pacific region. But I'm very excited about the go-forward strategy within DFC, because our pipeline has already over doubled that, and currently sits at thirteen billion dollars for for for that strategic region. For the Philippines in particular, we're really excited about our new investment, which is a joint venture partnership with the private sector entity Isquare to promote ener- energy infrastructure across the region. It's the largest ever transaction done at the DFC, totaling one point five billion dollars. Specifically, when it comes to the Philippines, why I'm excited for this joint venture is because as you know very well, Chairman, our adversaries dominate the energy sector within the Philippines. Some of the the key pipeline transactions we are evaluating with our partners ISQUIR is to promote energy security within the Philippines and I'm very much looking forward to uh what we can do in this partnership to help out our our allied partners

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)39:10 – 39:15

thank you let me now recognize uh the distinguished uh ranking members

Dan Petrie (Witness)39:15 – 39:16

here we go

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)39:18 – 41:37

thank you mr. chair so uh let me just reiterate that that the uh it's been a long-standing bipartisan support for what you all do there has been a little divergence in philosophy in terms of how uh the united states should treat other countries and partnerships and so forth and uh the the president seems to have taken a a very hard when he calls it american first position and uh which worries some of us because it seems to be for immediate gain for united states but it is contrary to really long-term stability and prosperity for our country and for our partners and that's why i really wanted to talk uh to you all about first with df c there was a an expansion of your mission uh which which allows investment in wealthier countries including uh in energy and critical minerals and i just wanna say there was not bipartisan uh support for that i just make that clear and it sorta got snuck into the ndia which a lot of us support but not necessarily that position um and so this is uh my my question to you and then also mr. petri i think you said something to the effect also of a shift towards uh a private american first there was something uh i'm gonna have you explain that to me but uh first mister coleman how are you ensuring that the new investments don't crowd out financing for lower income uh countries how are you gonna measure the impact and uh what what are the safeguards that gonna ensure the local communities benefit without environmental and social harms with this new expansion.

Conor Coleman (Witness)41:39 – 43:04

thank you reiki member uh frankel for that really important question and frankly it's very much top of mind um i want to assure you that dfc is very much focused on its mission to promote investments in low income countries uh just this year alone sixty eight percent of all of our investments have been in low income or low middle income countries Furthermore, when I when I mentioned that a hundred billion dollar pipeline that we are building, less than four percent is in wealthy countries. So we remain we remain very committed to our role and our responsibility to really promote economic development and uh uh development in these low income countries. When you uh you raise a very good point when we talk about environmental and social safeguards and what we're really looking to do to ensure that. And I think that approach is twofold, both. what are we doing to uh for those safeguards during the time of capital deployment and then what are we doing post capital deployment as well to really make sure whatever impact we underwrote is actually effectuated so we are building uh further further building up our office of development policy which is uh home to our environmental and social group that both um underwrites every single transaction as a part of every single do deal we do here at the dfc And then also our monitoring capabilities to ensure that we have more effective portfolio uh management to make sure whatever impact we underwrote is being effectuated.

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)43:04 – 43:22

So, and and just to reiterate, the reason it's important is because when countries become an unstable, there's no economic hope, it really is a recipe for potential terror terrorist activity. Uh, just the other two gentlemen, if you wanna respond to that.

Dan Petrie (Witness)43:23 – 44:40

yeah mcc was founded with a single question in mind and that is how do we unlock growth growth that is good for our partners and growth that is good for the united states we conduct a cost benefit analysis on every single compact uh we look to generate an economic rate of return of at least ten percent uh we don't just use this as a decision making tool in the beginning uh but we won't begin a project unless we're seeing that meaningful value for dollar independent evaluators uh then go back after the fact and see if we lived up to what we said we're gonna do and we publish those results online so we can be transparent and learn about uh the work that we've done and how we can improve we're looking to bring that same level of rigor in approaching american returns and measuring them and so we're looking at that in three different aspects uh one is benefits to us exports uh the second is benefits to us firms operating in these markets and the third uh is increased resilience in our supply chains of course there are broader uh strategic benefits that i think we all understand that are a little bit more uh intangible but this is where we are trying to add some more precision so we haven't stepped away from the initial mandate it's about being sharper and being more intentional about how we can drive mutual prosperity

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)44:41 – 44:42

thank you did you wanna add something

Thomas Hardy (Witness)44:43 – 45:49

thank you thank you thank you member frankel um i think i wanna be clear us t da has remained uh steadfast to its statutory mission um under that uh us t d a has not backed off in any way in its uh due diligence on both environmental or labor standards in any investment us t d a is making us t d a plays an important role in the project design project development so we are helping to move these projects to financing and i think that's a critical point the financing won't come if less we have projects that meet labor and environmental standards that are top of class i think that is the role of ustda is to make sure that the investments and the partners we have around the world in critical minerals but in every sector meet high labor and environmental standards so they can get financing in the capital markets um i think the capital markets banks that's one of their creating issues that they're gonna look at so our job is to make sure that that's done right from the very beginning so our partners overseas can get the financing they need to implement these projects.

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)45:50 – 45:51

thank you very much you're back

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)45:52 – 45:52

mr. vice chairman

Rep. Edwards (NC-11)45:55 – 46:43

thank you mr. chair mr. hardy as uh i've had an opportunity to travel to many countries uh with this committee and others one of the largest criticisms that i hear of china is that uh they tend to go in and make easy deals with countries in a form of what i would consider loan sharking and then at some point begin to extort those countries uh in a way to become more aligned uh with china then with the us uh is there anything you can advise congress to what we might do to uh prevent that type of behavior

Thomas Hardy (Witness)46:44 – 47:56

thank you i i concur with your assessment we i personally see that everywhere we go and that is the statutory role of us t d a which is to help american companies get in these markets and what that means more often than not is to push out uh predatory chinese companies state owned enterprises that are providing uh low cost loans that are making our partners bold into uh the prc um i think the support that this committee has provided to the agencies here including us t d a is very helpful. i think under this administration we've worked very closely with the state department to coordinate um through the eeb bureau and all of the regional bureaus to make sure that we are all working collectively to advance us national security interest but also do it in a way with that's clear eyed um recognizing the risks we have and recognizing the risks that our partners have uh if we don't get this right and we don't provide an alternative um that is financeable that provides them long-term economic stability without uh all the bells and whistles of the chinese ask in in return

Rep. Edwards (NC-11)47:57 – 48:02

so how how do we do that specifically what can what what can congress do to assist you

Thomas Hardy (Witness)48:02 – 49:27

um i i think at the end of the day it's the importance of this committee in the appropriations process providing the funding i think uh one of the areas that us t d a has been very very appreciative of is our partnership with the state department's uh not only the appropriate money that this committee provides us t d a but state department likewise provides a significant amount of money uh to us t d a through transfer funds um to uh challenge the chinese particularly in the indo-pacific across the indo-pacific and even more recently in the pacific island region an area where us t d a had historically not worked now we have um programming in twelve countries across uh uh across indo uh pacific island region um that is uh at the front lines of um chinese engagement uh whether it's uh first islands uh south china sea part of our work is to make sure that we are offering alternative to our partners and if we look at the pacific islands it's an area where the us government had not historically been i think that is dramatically change that started under president trump's first administration continued through president biden's and remains a high priority um i've traveled uh uh with secretary landau on a number of occasions he has taken a particular interest in the pacific islands and making sure that us investment by all of us is coordinated to meet the needs of our partners

Rep. Edwards (NC-11)49:27 – 49:57

thank thank thank you for that more detailed answer uh to shift gears just a little bit uh, the US Trade and Development Agency has historically reported an export multiplier showing how many dollars of US exports are generated for every dollar the agency invests. Can you walk us through the process of how your team verifies that those exports might not have occurred without our federal assistance?

Thomas Hardy (Witness)49:59 – 51:26

Sure, um, let me just walk through begin how we do it, and then uh the counterfactual. for us t da we have a monitoring evaluation staff on-site we have two external private companies that do independent evaluations of us t da's work to evaluate the development outcomes as well as us exports both and that's the the basis so we have internal staff and independent contractors working with our internal staff to do that evaluation um for us t da we are in the different most difficult markets around the world we are opening markets for companies that may not otherwise know about the opportunities um it's a difficult counterfactual to prove um but when you look at the countries in which we operate you don't see a lot of us company engagement i think that's the purpose of ustda is to speed up um or to open up markets for companies to be sure there are a number of projects that we are straight helping american companies win and displace china i think uh and russia for that matter i think when i look at uh some of the work we did at the beginning of president biden's term there was a carryover from president trump on uh nuclear development in poland um poland was going to deploy nuclear energy um the question is were they gonna use a russian solution or a us solution us tda stepped in and made sure that they went with the

Rep. Edwards (NC-11)51:27 – 51:27

uh

Thomas Hardy (Witness)51:28 – 51:38

so um whether or not uh it was gonna happen or not it wasn't guaranteed that the us companies were gonna be benefiting a result of it and that's where we stepped in and made a difference

Rep. Edwards (NC-11)51:38 – 51:42

congratulations on and thank you uh for for that mister chair i'll yield back

Dan Petrie (Witness)51:42 – 51:42

thank you

Rep. Edwards (NC-11)51:44 – 51:46

miss ming you're recognized

Rep. Meng (NY-6)51:47 – 53:22

thank you mister chairman and ranking member franco uh thank you for being here all of you um earlier this month nepal and tibet were hit by a devastating natural disaster caused by a glacier collapse as of this week almost four hundred fourteen hundred people have been confirmed dead and over five thousand are still missing the us government has had a presence in places like nepal for a long time and has led previous disaster responses this time our response was slow just five hundred thousand dollars and one person on the ground initially after democrats in congress called for more resources the state department has now provided over five million dollars to date not enough but a a stronger response the us is also helping with forensic support water sanitation and hygiene resources and search and rescue i am proud to represent a strong nepali community in queens new york who have watched the situation unfold with great concern and many have loved ones who were affected your agencies have each worked in nepal the millennium challenge corporation has been implementing a compact agreement with nepal to strengthen its electric and transportation systems consistent with us interests this compact came under scrutiny during the foreign assistance review and was reportedly cancelled before being reinstated um mister petri can you confirm uh the status of this compact agreement and if it remains active

Dan Petrie (Witness)53:23 – 54:40

thank you congresswoman uh the pictures from nepal were heartbreaking and i share um your concern mcc has had a presence in nepal for a number of years now uh developing and implementing a compact and we remain committed uh to doing so uh fortunately our uh staff and our partners on the ground uh were immediately uh safe which is good uh we did see some impacts to access roads and other things to the large infrastructure that mcc is pursuing there uh in short nepal has a a huge potential for hydropower tremendous energy needs mcc is building out three hundred and fifteen kilometers of high voltage transmission lines uh we're also making improvements in uh using technology for some road uh upgrades as well we remain committed to that work uh in fact uh in just a few weeks uh uh subject of course to the dynamics on the ground in nepal we're looking energize a uh spur of the a hundred uh three hundred and fifteen kilometers which connects with india which is gonna facilitate uh some some uh greater trade within the region so we're proud of our work in nepal we remain committed to seeing that through

Rep. Meng (NY-6)54:41 – 54:54

great and mister coleman the dfc has also helped build nepal's electricity and hydropower infrastructure how many active projects does the agency currently have in nepal and can you please describe the work that's being done

Conor Coleman (Witness)54:57 – 55:54

thank you congresswoman uh first and foremost i echo uh the sentiment thoughts and prayers over this devastation that that has happened in in nepal and tibet um and while our response as the us government was slow i'm very confident there is a lot of ground we can make up very very quickly here um i would like to start by saying you are clearly the expert when it comes to to these geographies i would very much welcome my staff and i coming over and having a discussion on uh what are the projects you are hearing about and how we can utilize our private sector relationships to aid in this recovery overall additionally speaking while our current portfolio within those two geographies is small we remain very committed to building our pipeline this is where partnerships with my friends over at mcc are so valuable because mcc often lays the groundwork for projects that dfc can then bring private sector to invest in so dan and i are very coordinated on a lot of projects and a lot of

Rep. Meng (NY-6)56:02 – 56:09

great thank you and then uh final few seconds uh mister hardy if you could also share about the us t da s uh work in nepal

Thomas Hardy (Witness)56:10 – 56:37

um uh thank you historically we have not had a significant program in nepal i will say i have a senior member of my staff on en route to nepal right now to look at energy projects so it is an area that we are looking to change uh or an area that we are hoping to change our direction, but historically we have not had a significant program in Nepal, but we do have a senior member uh of my staff headed there right now to help develop energy projects.

Rep. Meng (NY-6)56:37 – 56:41

That's great. I would love to uh work with you all on that. Thank you so much.

Thomas Hardy (Witness)56:41 – 56:41

Most definitely.

Rep. Meng (NY-6)56:41 – 56:42

I yield back.

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)56:42 – 56:49

Thank you, I would be remiss if I didn't thank you also for your leadership in keeping the spotlight on that. Uh, Mr. Alford, your recognizer.

Rep. Alford (MO-4)56:49 – 58:21

Alright. Thank you, Chair, and uh thank you uh, Ranking Member, Franco. Kind of missed you guys. Good to have everyone back together again. And thank you for our witnesses, uh, being here today. I I really appreciate that. The agencies before us today sit at the intersection of our economic security and national security. And the decisions that you make help determine whether American companies can compete around the world or whether Communist China and other strategic competitors are allowed to dominate critical minerals, infrastructure, energy and other industries. uh, that are so vital to our future. I believe every taxpayer dollar we spend overseas must advance a clear American interest. It should support American workers and businesses, strengthen trusted partners, secure our supply chains, and reduce our dependence on foreign adversaries. These programs cannot simply spend money for the sake of spending money. We must, and we need to, target investments, uh, measure results, and have accountability to the American taxpayers. Mister Hardy, current law generally limits USTDA to developing in middle income countries, but our competition with China does not stop at an arbitrary income threshold. There are strategically important markets where critical minerals, energy, infrastructure, and emerging technologies have direct implications for US national security. Are USTDA's current eligibility rules keeping us on the sidelines uh projects where china is aggressively competing

Thomas Hardy (Witness)58:22 – 59:19

thank you congressman um there is that challenge um you're you're most certainly right um when a country uh moves from a middle income country to a high income country us tda is forced to remove itself um that does not change china china is still there and we're um putting ourselves as at a disadvantage both economically and commercially by not being there um for us t d i think it's important to note when we look at high income country uh when we look at that threshold it's those countries that are recently tipped over the countries the big countries in western europe and the gulf states they don't need or want us t d a where it is critically important are those countries that have arbitrarily tipped over from twelve thousand dollars on the world bank income status to twelve thousand and one dollar on the world bank income status and all of a sudden we are removed China is not and we uh are off the playing field.

Rep. Alford (MO-4)59:20 – 59:36

If Congress were to offer some sort of flexibility to operate in higher income countries especially when they've like you say tipped over to that next uh level um when there is a clear US national security interest where could the authority make the biggest difference?

Thomas Hardy (Witness)59:37 – 1:00:16

Um, for there's two areas, um, primarily I think uh in small markets uh look at the pacific island region you have countries that have a very very very small population and it's very easy for them to become a high income country based on world bank standard but when you go to their country it is not a high income country it's a very very develop developing economy um that is an area that i think is of grave concern for us tda small small island economies um the second is eastern europe um there is significant competition uh in the particularly in the energy space with russia

Rep. Alford (MO-4)1:00:16 – 1:00:17

moldova romania

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:00:17 – 1:00:31

yes russia china um and if we're not there russia and china will dominate that space unless we are there to be able to provide support for american companies american technologies particularly in the energy space

Rep. Alford (MO-4)1:00:31 – 1:01:08

yeah we just returned from a trip to moldova in ukraine and we saw that firsthand they're linking with romania now on an energy uh system and and one of their big concerns is uh influence from um russia basically so mister coleman i have a minute left uh congress recently made a significant investment in dfc's ability you mentioned this uh increasing uh the maximum contingent liability from sixty billion to two hundred and five billion with that greater authority should come greater expectations for results how are you using that expanded capacity to secure critical minerals energy resource and supply chains where we are currently dependent on communist

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:01:09 – 1:02:38

Thank you, Congressman. And first off, I want to echo your uh sentiments of being stewards of a U uh US American taxpayer dollars and the need for not investing for the sake of investing, but to really make a dedicated impact with our investments. As you know very well, we're in an economic competition with our adversaries, and unfortunately, we have been losing for far too long. Critical supply chains are controlled by our adversaries. And this is best shown on the critical minerals issue that we're all very cutely aware of. Uh, for example, in rare earths processing, China has a ninety percent dominance overall in the industry. Our recent investments, such as Eclera, CMC, Cerro Verde and Cera, are examples of how DFC is utilizing its new authorities to help tackle this critical supply chain issue. But we are not doing our job at the DFC if we're not being forward-thinking, and thinking about what are those next choke points that we must uh be stopping uh our adversaries from advancing into telecom and helping facilitate the move to trusted vendors um from non-trusted uh technologies healthcare particularly the pharmaceutical manufacturing supply chain where china has a dominance on apis and ksm manufacturings and specialty inputs things like chemicals and fertilizers that are critical chokepoints in today So we very much look forward to working with this committee to continue the support of how can we target these choke points that China has a dominance on together.

Rep. Alford (MO-4)1:02:39 – 1:02:42

Thank you, sir. And I'm I apologize for going over. I yield back.

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:02:43 – 1:02:46

Thank you, sir. Important questions. Congressman Torres, you're recognized.

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:02:46 – 1:04:49

Um, thank you, uh, Chairman and Ranking Member for bringing us together and to our guests, thank you so much for being here today. Uh, mister Petrie, I in the second round I look forward to hearing more about, um, what your organization is doing to help um with infrastructure development to bring to assist indigenous um people of the americas um i wanna thank you uh mister coleman i was recently visited a project in kenya zip line it is a project that um your uh uh dfc invested about a hundred and fifty million dollars in in africa and i i i'm just astonished um by the work that is being done in that project and i mean it is american money very very well spent and i would love to see how we can incorporate something like that during natural uh disasters here in the us to help uh bring medicine and other resources uh to american families. in areas that have been devastated um right now i do wanna go uh more into um this committee one of the priorities in this committee i mean we are um partners we very much appreciate our partnership with ukraine um against the russian aggression i i'm interested in learning more about the us ukraine reconstruction investment fund that you are leading uh the fund is meant to be about both securing critical supply chains and bringing about reconstruction which is stuff to do uh during a war an active war can you give us a sense of how much is for critical minerals and resource extraction and how much is for other sectors and which which sectors are our priorities

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:04:50 – 1:05:09

thank you congresswoman um and first of all i'm really glad to hear about your experience with the kenyuh project it's a fantastic project and frankly that's all due to my amazing building for for for that investment um and furthermore if you have any upcoming travel please let us know and we'd love to connect you with kind of our investments in those countries to to help aid your visits

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:05:09 – 1:05:10

thank you

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:05:10 – 1:05:10

of course

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:05:10 – 1:05:10

sure

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:05:11 – 1:06:22

um europe is a massive success i like i like to call it um it's really a first of its kind vehicle with partnership with uh with our with our Um, I'm really, really um impressed with our team at the DFC, what were they able to achieve with this. In less than a year, they were able to set up this fund with all the back office, bank accounts, and the functions to apply by kind of best in class private sector standards for how it operates. And we made our first investment in March of uh of uh this past year. When you think about the mission, which is really how can we bring more stability to the private sector, This Eurof vehicle is a very innovative tool kit and we're seeing immense private sector engagement. To date, we have had have had over three hundred submissions um to uh this fund. Um we're having a board um in early October where I think we're gonna announce three or four more transactions, which we're looking forward to sharing with you. And um I want to highlight maybe a mischaracterization. It's not just a critical minerals fund. It targets a variety of different sectors. How do you prioritize?

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:06:22 – 1:06:30

those that funding though and and how do we ensure that politically connected people don't get to cut at the front of the line

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:06:30 – 1:06:52

Absolutely. Um, the prioritization is what is the greatest need and the greatest impact for for the investment. So the majority of our portfolio right now within Europe is for the energy sector, which is the most critical that we see within Ukraine. Um, we're actually taking a a project to our board, DFC's board today, that is a joint DFC Europe board in the energy sector.

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:07:08 – 1:07:14

Will you commit to sharing with Congress, uh, quarterly details from the Ukraine fund transactions?

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:07:14 – 1:07:30

Absolutely. We can share as much much detail as you want regarding what we are doing within the pipeline once that investment has been made and has been. publicly available um post it so we can follow up post our our board in october with you and your staff to share what that next round of

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:07:23 – 1:07:23

yeah

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:07:30 – 1:07:31

investments are

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:07:30 – 1:07:36

yes i would love to hear more about this equity uh stake structure that you have set up so

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:07:36 – 1:07:37

absolutely

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:07:37 – 1:07:41

not a lot of time left but um thank you i look forward to the second round

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:07:43 – 1:08:51

thank you so much um let me let me throw this out to to the three of you your agencies are are heavily involved in in really administrative wide uh efforts to diversify and strengthen us supply chains and we've had a lot of you've had some questions about that and obviously it's a huge issue for a lot of issues but including strategic critical minerals uh we know that the dfc is investing heavily heavily in mining processing transportation to really break the our adversarial control over strategic supply chains and i think i think the american people now have realized how important that is uh but in meanwhile the tda and the ccr also prioritizing key sectors right integral to us supply chain security so as we look forward to fy twenty seven and and the appropriations process can the three of you assure the committee but actually more importantly the american taxpayer that uh that these important efforts are coordinated they're complimentary and they're not just duplicative of other agencies of other uh other issues so maybe if you all wanna just touch on that let's let's start with you this time mr. coleman

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:08:53 – 1:09:54

thank you chairman um we completely agree it is of the utmost importance for all of the us government economic agencies to be stewards of america taxpayer dollars in making sure we are investing uh correctly with all of our with all of it congress has uh granted all of these economic agencies a variety of different authorities and because of your guys's leadership they're not duplicative in nature and effectively they they help complement each other i like to point out to the example uh mister hardy was talking about within within poland for example uh the nuclear technology that uscda was really on the forefront of helping lay the groundwork in we have active pipeline investments within poland and this nuclear energy to further continue promoting this so it's a very coordinated effort amongst all of the parties at this table as well as eximbank osc uh lpo as well to make sure we're targeting these supply chains and connecting the dots um together as a us government approach instead of an individual agency approach

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:09:56 – 1:10:39

mcc uh has about one point three billion dollars currently in our portfolio that's contributing uh to critical minerals us supply chain uh priorities uh connor you mentioned uh sour resources earlier i think that's a good example of the close coordination that's in mozambique uh dfc is supporting mining operations mcc is building out the roads and transport corridors and uh the uh region of northern mozambique that's connecting to the port of nincala where things like graphite are being shipped and processed for batteries in louisiana in vidalia louisiana just north of baton rouge uh so this is a a whole of agency effort in terms of uh securing our supply chain from the beginning to the end

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:10:42 – 1:11:58

thank you uh mr. chairman i us t d is a small agency we work tirelessly to make sure that what we're doing is additive uh to our partners making sure that the work we're doing is tied uh and is designed in a way that feeds into the pipelines of dfc xm into financiers um and and it's really critical for everything we do to work with our partners one to make sure we're not wasting our money if someone else is putting money into something similar but also doing it in a way that is designed to feed into the financing pipeline of the xm and dfc so we move these projects forward i think one area on uh coordination is worth pointing out um is the unique role that indo-pacific command has taken to look at the indo-pacific region writ large and look at commercial opportunities and economic development in markets around the indo-pacific and working closely with us tda to help move these uh commercial infrastructure projects forward um indo-pacific command is looking to us to help strengthen these economies to uh be better positioned to support uh us national security interest from a commercial perspective that it's been great to work with their economic development unit

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:11:58 – 1:11:59

so you're in touch with them

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:11:59 – 1:12:05

uh very closely and have been there a couple of times even this year um for coordination uh particularly on the philippines

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:12:06 – 1:12:33

which is um you know obviously i think this this subcommittee knows about that but i think it's important for the american people to hear that i mean cause cause you know i'm very clear and we're all very clear look if we can show that the money we're spending is helping our national security interests our economic interests we shouldn't be doing it and the three of you are are pointing to some really specific areas where we can demonstrate that it's helping our economic history uh uh interest but also our our security interest uh would you agree

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:12:34 – 1:12:55

i would i would and i believe there is language uh in the NDA coming up this year uh that's designed to create uh a longer term linkage between uh the economic development agencies here and indopaycom to make sure that there is continued long term coordination between the specific command and economic development agencies here in washington

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:12:55 – 1:12:57

great uh reiki member

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:12:58 – 1:15:05

thank you sir again uh before i get my next question i just wanna just say this i i i hope that you all will continue to have independent assessment of where to put the money because i will just say this as respectfully as possible our president's uh just uh looking at his uh preference for his uh tariffs and the war i'm not so sure that his judgment is the best alright uh but let me get to another subject which is very very sensitive to the public to my constituency and that is corruption and conflicts of interest and this is not to insinuate anyway the ethics of the gentlemen here you all seem very upright ethical men uh but your agencies are making decisions involving billions of dollars in taxpayer backed financing and grants so the credibility of decisions depend wow on public knowing the projects are selected on merits and not of course of who you might know in washington or who's going to benefit and this is a first to uh on the d f c uh we heard that recently there was a project that would directly benefit the president's family or secretary of commerce uh lutnick uh on d f c signed a letter of intent to to explore seven hundred million in loans and projects for development funding for project that both the president's sons um had a financial stake in as as an as did an investment firm run by secretary letnick's family and to say that secretary letnick also is on your board so i heard that you pulled back for the project but i mean just hearing that that even came about is pretty appalling so really my my question and this is really for all of you too is what do you what do you do to make sure that we don't have those

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:15:26 – 1:15:34

gladly uh thank you ranking member frankel um i could not agree more with you about the importance of

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:15:31 – 1:15:31

uh i

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:15:34 – 1:16:14

ethics and monitoring for all of our investments and building trust with congress, the administration and the American people. I can commit to you that every single transaction done by the DOC goes through the same rigorous due diligence ethics and know your customer process led by our career ethic officials, no exceptions. Each project is reviewed at multiple different stages by our office of general general counsel, and our strategic information division, who can conduct a thorough know your customer screening and identify any potential conflicts of interest and we really look to address any conflicts of interest and immediately when they're identified

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:16:13 – 1:16:18

yeah i just thought you're saying can you address the specific yeah i'm sure you're aware of it can you

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:16:16 – 1:16:17

yeah of course

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:16:18 – 1:16:20

address that project that i mentioned

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:16:20 – 1:16:29

absolutely so that project uh a non-binding letter of interest was issued by the dfc in twenty twenty five

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:16:21 – 1:16:21

yeah

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:16:30 – 1:17:11

uh that is typical of stuff we do and that happens at the lower levels of our of our of our agency for the purposes of trying to help american companies or allied partner companies win a tender for a transaction after that loi is was issued you then begin the due diligence process of the investment to date we have not started the due diligence process of that investment we have asked the company for information regarding their shareholding regarding kind of um uh the details of of the transaction and we have yet to receive any of that information so that since that letter of interest in twenty twenty five that project has been stalled and we have not progressed cause we have not received any of the information

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:17:11 – 1:17:22

ok well somebody beat you to the punch in in figuring out who was gonna get the money uh but be aware gentleman do you wanna answer the question

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:17:22 – 1:17:33

yeah um mcc's statute uh by statute requires open fair and competitive procurements and congress uh set mcc up based on decades of lessons learned

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:17:54 – 1:18:23

thank you and i hear you loud and clear um us t d a has a comprehensive technical legal due diligence process to avoid uh just what you're talking about thank you Um, we ensure compliance with all US laws and only work with reputable and solvent US companies. Um, additionally, all of our uh grant contract uh agreements have uh strong conflict of interest, uh uh language to protect against uh going down a pathway that would not be prudent.

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:18:24 – 1:18:33

OK, well thank you. Just that you know we will be watching. And I will tell you this, I think it's a bipartisan effort to be watching. Uh, I thank you and I yield back.

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:18:34 – 1:18:37

Thank you. To the ranking member, Mister Siskamani, your recognizer.

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:18:37 – 1:19:58

Thank you, Chairman, and uh thank you to our witnesses for being here and for your testimony today. This hearing is uh an excellent opportunity to highlight the the aid strategy this administration has put in place, and uh one that puts taxpayers first, uh US workers and the US strategic interest. while making sure also that every dollar we spend abroad is actually making our country stronger and more secure. As we look at these agencies' budgets, I wanna make sure that we're holding the line on accountability to taxpayers, while also ensuring America continues to lead on the global stage. I think that's an important balance to keep. First, I'd like to start with uh with you, mister Hardy, real quick here. Um a question on um the USTDA-funded a feasibility study to expand copper and cobalt, And your critical mineral strategy is aimed at national security and countering China, which is very important. Now, Arizona is the country's leading copper producer. Uh, that's my home state and uh, and the cornerstone of US critical minerals capacity. Given this, I have uh just a few questions here, does uh US CDA analyze how new foreign copper and cobalt supply might affect US domestic producers? Uh, including Arizona's copper industry on price, market share or investment? competitiveness

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:20:00 – 1:20:27

um we look at um with every activity in the critical mineral space we look at off-takers and where uh that off-take would be as far as the economic analysis of um adverse impacts on domestic industry would we would by law look at adverse impacts but we have not seen the types of projects where we have supported the critical mineral space uh raised to a level that would adversely

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:20:28 – 1:20:43

Is is there a is there a formal mechanism for weighing whether an overseas minerals project complements domestic production versus undercutting it? Like like the the what you're talking about here that you haven't seen the results, but is there an official mechanism that you use to weigh that?

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:20:44 – 1:21:11

For every activity we look uh look to look at considering funding, we look at the uh impact on US labor and US jobs um and we would as part of our analysis both um to the due diligence process as well as the technical analysis there is an analysis done by our regional teams that make recommendation to the executive team on what if any adverse impact would be to the us industry so yes there is that analysis is done

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:21:11 – 1:21:29

uh i would like to learn more about that as you can imagine and see from my remarks i'm i'm very sure protective of of our copper industry in arizona so uh i wanna insure that uh it's critical mineral strategy ours the usc da um strengthens american producers like those in arizona rather than

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:21:28 – 1:21:28

yeah

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:21:29 – 1:21:35

inadvertently subsidizing new foreign competition for them i wanna make sure the supply is there

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:21:32 – 1:21:33

understood

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:21:35 – 1:21:50

it's affordable but very protective of our domestic supply in industry here especially in arizona so um i would like our our teams to follow up here and and myself uh off-line to make sure that i understand that better and making sure that

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:21:50 – 1:21:50

yeah

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:21:51 – 1:22:33

uh it it's functioning at its most um proper way one more question here uh uh uh us t d a has been one of the only foreign aid agencies this administration chose not to reduce the spending on even as broader foreign assistance landscape has been significantly restructured i'd like to give you the the opportunity here to speak on on why uh us t d a s approach has earned that continued confidence can you walk me through how us t d a s model of pairing early stage specifically projects preparation with us export promotion is fundamentally different from traditional foreign aid um and and why this uh distinction matters

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:22:33 – 1:23:36

thank you uh thank you for that question uh us tda is statutorily is designed to support american jobs and american workers through the export of us goods and services it's a very different model it's a very transactional based approach to infrastructure development and uh and economic development in emerging markets. I think this administration sees the opportunity of using targeted US taxpayer funds to position American companies to win significant contracts for uh infrastructure projects, whether that be transportation, energy, telecommunication or critical minerals. And as importantly, do it in a way that oftentimes pushes out uh strategic competitors, whether that be Chinese, almo- almost all sectors, particularly russia um in in eastern europe in the energy sector so there is both a strategic imperative for us tda s work uh geopolitically but there is also critical importance of supporting american manufacturing industrial base that looks to the international markets for new customers

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:23:36 – 1:23:49

and i appreciate the the succinct answer my time's up but i'm assuming that we have clear evidence of examples of of measurable um uh tactics and accountability that you use on this to be able to confirm obviously what

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:23:49 – 1:24:16

i yes we we are generating over two hundred dollars in us exports for every dollar we're programming around the world and would look forward to working with you and uh uh your staff to go through those examples um it can be everything from a poland nuclear project that's uh being moving forward with uh us technology to um undersea fiber optic cables that we've been successful around the world helping deploy um and look forward to working with you to uh go through those measurable results

Rep. Ciscomani (AZ-6)1:24:16 – 1:24:18

thank you i appreciate it chairman i your back

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:24:18 – 1:24:20

thank you mr. sussman i'm sussman you're recognized

Rep. Meng (NY-6)1:24:21 – 1:25:57

thank you um my constituents in queens like americans everywhere have been suffering from inflation and higher energy prices the closure of the state of hormuz uh because of president trump's iran war is making the problem worse just yesterday the congressional budget office projected that the iran war has already cost over thirty eight billion dollars and will continue to cost two three billion dollars per month and has added quote roughly half a percentage point to inflation in the first quarter of twenty seven driven largely by higher energy prices caused by supply disruptions in the straight of hormuz and the red sea data released just this week show that annual inflation is up to three point four percent gas up three point nine percent from last month and energy costs up over two percent earlier this year the president tweeted no matter what the us will ensure the free flow of energy to the world and announced that he had directed the dfc to offer insurance for ships passing through the street on march sixth dfc announced a twenty billion dollar maritime reinsurance program to quote help stabilize international commerce and in the announcement ceo ben black stated we're confident that our reinsurance plan we'll get oil gasoline lng jet fuel and fertilizer through the state of hormuz and flowing again to the world uh mr. coleman i wanted to ask what the status of the maritime reinsurance program is

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:25:59 – 1:27:19

thank you congresswoman uh the we have not written a policy on this maritime reinsurance product since its announcement when the president issued uh kind of the order to the dfc it was uh in joint partnership with centcom and the department of uh war regarding a dual structure that looks at how do you achieve financial stability for the market as well as security overall going through the straight um with the financial stability side of things dfc was able to work with the private sector to come out with a product that offered maritime reinsurance during this warm however the uh the security from a military standpoint obviously that situation remains very fluid and one of the key issues within the strait right now is the sole decision maker relies on the captain of the ship whether he or she decides to sell it's not the person who owns the ship it's not um uh the the company that lease the ship to it it's the captain of the ship so if you're not providing that security from that point he or she will not decide to uh to to sell so for that reason given the fluid of the situation from a security stand point dfc has not written any policy uh on this insurance platform

Rep. Meng (NY-6)1:27:20 – 1:27:41

um ok um i know that insurance partners have um are are collaborating with dfc and then they that dfc has announced you know additional twenty billion in commitments um have there been requests for insurance uh since this program launched

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:27:44 – 1:27:49

just to make sure i understand congresswoman specifically for this product or just insurance overall

Rep. Meng (NY-6)1:27:49 – 1:27:51

uh the maritime reinsurance program

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:27:52 – 1:28:04

um again with with with this product specifically there has uh is not operational so there has not been any further kind of specific policies written under underneath this maritime reinsurance

Rep. Meng (NY-6)1:28:05 – 1:28:06

ok

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:28:06 – 1:28:06

platform

Rep. Meng (NY-6)1:28:06 – 1:28:33

um is there a timeline um only because i'm basing it off of the president's uh own words and uh dfc ceo black um uh for this plan that will restore confidence uh in trade and to help stabilize our international economy um made it sound like it was very imminent and this was in april

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:28:34 – 1:29:05

mmm so absolutely we are in constant contact with our inter-agency partner partners, and DFC stands ready to mobilize its financial uh reinsurance product whenever whenever called upon. Given the situation remains fluid and there is factors outside of the DFC specific control that is in partnership with this facility that is the reason why the DFC has not mobilized on its portion uh uh uh uh of it but we we remain uh ready to mobilize if called upon for this product

Rep. Meng (NY-6)1:29:05 – 1:29:35

ok um thank you my constituents all of our constituents are are suffering from higher prices and they need real relief um i know there is no written plan yet um but there's no plan there's no relief i don't know if it's just a political stunt from the white house um but i and many of my colleagues including some republicans voted yesterday again to safely bring this war to an end uh and that's that's what we need to do thank you

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:29:35 – 1:30:09

i thank thank you very i just do wanna remind people just for sake of memory i agree that inflation is way too high it's at three point four percent the highest it's been with under the trump administration has been four point two percent and i just remind people that under the biden administration it got to nine point one percent so it is way too high but thank god it's not where it was under the biden administration uh i i'm just honored to have the chairman of the uh of the select committee on the ccp i know that you i think had a hearing thank you today so thank you for making the time to to to come in here your recognizer

Rep. Moolenaar (MI-2)1:30:07 – 1:30:38

oh thank you thank you mr. chairman uh thank you all and um i i wonder if i'd like to start with mr. coleman uh and you know we think a lot about countering you know china's global influence um i wonder if you could talk about where does the dfc believe additional american dollar has the greatest strategic impact in indo-pacific africa latin america central asia how how would you evaluate that

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:30:39 – 1:31:53

thank you congressman um as you know all too well we are in an economic competition with our adversaries right now and frankly one that they're gonna deploy more dollars at scale than we can in twenty twenty four alone the people's republic of china uh deployed a hundred and twenty four billion dollars in china's one belt one uh one road initiative alone tfc's total investment capacity is two hundred and five billion dollars we are never going to match our adversaries dollar for dollar um nor should we however our goal is to mobilize the private sector into these emerging markets alongside of us so every dollar of us taxpayer that goes into project you're seeing three four five x of private sector dollars alongside there are key geographies that we are focused on right now latin america and the caribbean in our own backyard south uh south and southeast asia um central asia eastern and central europe africa our adversaries are globally and that's why we're very excited to implement dfc's new authorities to finally invest and reach them in all geographies to help uh the us in in this important initiative

Rep. Moolenaar (MI-2)1:31:54 – 1:32:20

thank you um wonder if you could talk a little bit about safeguards so that we are using taxpayer dollars to you know not inadvertently strengthen chinese entities and uh i wondered if you could also talk a little bit about the libido corridor um and how we're evaluating um investments there

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:32:22 – 1:33:42

um i think those two questions go very well well well together within every single investment we have at the dfc we're evaluating what are the uh uh contractual provisions within our agreements that we can uh put in place to promote um um us and us aligned companies that diversify away from our foreign adversaries so oftentimes you're seeing many provisions like um no sales being allowed if us invests in a project to foreign uh entities of So we're working very closely with uh across all of our deals to make sure those contractual provisions are in it. Another example of this is for critical minerals projects, where making sure there's explicit language where that mine cannot sell to to foreign entities of concern. Libito is a is a very good example of the creativity of the DFC and how we can combat China in the project. Um one of the project managers of Libito was uh a company called Molta Engel. and uh they are thirty percent owned by china however we were able to structure the investment so the investment um for that in ownership percent and the china's exact stake in that project was sub ten percent so we're thinking about how can we use creative financial measures to block out our adversaries

Rep. Moolenaar (MI-2)1:33:44 – 1:33:46

do you feel we're doing the right things there

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:33:47 – 1:34:01

we're getting there we gotta start somewhere and they've been dominating us for the past twenty years so we're gonna counter them in every one of our investments but i can ensure you we're using the most sophisticated financial tools to make sure we're blocking them out

Rep. Moolenaar (MI-2)1:34:01 – 1:34:20

and mister petrie um what have we learned what has MCC MCC learned from it's Mongolia compact about using economic development assistance to strengthen the sovereignty and economic independence of countries facing pressure from larger authoritarian neighbors.

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:34:20 – 1:35:55

yeah thank you congressman um just quickly on the china point cause it's relevant for mongolia as well uh as connor said we're not competing for dollar for dollar but we are competing on the what which is durable productive uh assets that generate economic growth um and as well as the how we're doing country ownership evidence driven these are building self-reliance in the countries that we're working when we see in countries like ecuador where there's an overreliance on hydro and a shoddily built uh chinese infrastructure plant that's leading to acute energy shortages is really bringing this into sharp relief i traveled to mongolia uh in may where we closed out uh a compact there the mongolians contributed a hundred and twelve million dollars to the success of this project of course they're sandwiched between russia and china but they're trying to do the right thing they want to partner with the united states we are proud to build a first of its kind for mongolia advanced water purification plant leveraging american manufactured tech from florida that's gonna increase the water supply in the capital ulaanbaatar by up to eighty percent so this is the kind of foundational uh framework that mcc lays we also uh required uh conditions within the compact whereby mogollians are increasing their water tariffs by forty percent so our time is time limited our investments are time limited they need to carry it forward and by building in those sustainability mechanisms like cost reflective tariffs uh in the energy sector or the water sector uh that's critical

Rep. Moolenaar (MI-2)1:35:58 – 1:35:59

thank you sir chairman i yield back

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:35:59 – 1:36:02

thank you sir miss torres you recognize

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:36:02 – 1:36:21

thank you um chairman i i have spent a lot of um my time here in congress uh addressing the issue of migration uh the root cause of migration um as a result i focused on uh creating partnerships between indigenous tribes of the americas

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:36:21 – 1:36:21

hmm

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:36:22 – 1:37:24

and um us in uh recognized tribes uh creating a partnership where they can trade in goods um made in both uh countries only to see this great effort um you know being teared down by public corruption you know on both sides of of of there and here um i recently not recently but i have introduced a bill to aid indigenous economic development and i'm glad to have chairman cole as a co-lead of this bill it's called the indigenous exchange and economic cooperation act the bill is about promoting cross investments once again with those investments um i wanna hear also from mister coleman how we are prioritizing those investments with indigenous people of the americas but i also wanna know how are we connecting um indigenous communities uh in rural areas to cities where their goods could then be exported

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:37:27 – 1:38:09

thank you congresswoman for your leadership on this extremely important issue um this is something we look at in every single one of our projects at the dfc and frankly thirty percent of our pipeline right now is what i call uh projects that look at touching and connecting different markets abroad um specifically uh we recently uh did an investment it was a ten million dollar microfinance facility within honduras to help connect rural areas more more broadly and provide liquidity uh to this to this initiative specifically within honduras um it is targeting kind of women's economic empowerment in in in in this investment

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:38:09 – 1:38:28

but now we pardon the biggest uh drug dealer um in in in the americas right juan hernandez was part of uh president trump and he is back in honduras do we see that investment being compromised in any way as the leader of uh cocaine is back in the country

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:38:29 – 1:38:52

within that within within within that investment specifically we have ensured that we have very tight and robust legal anti-corruption uh ethic provisions built into that agreement and we have a history and a very strong track record dating back to our predecessor opic of making sure we have high transparency with these type of investments to making sure those us taxpayer dollars are driving an impact

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:38:53 – 1:38:55

thank you i i'd love to follow up with you

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:38:57 – 1:39:58

uh when uh mcc designs its programs there's a broadly uh broad consultative uh process with civil society and a wide variety of groups within the countries that we operate ultimately uh these are these projects are uh jointly designed and jointly owned because they need to carry it forward our investments are time limited we have worked in uh quite a bit in the western hemisphere over the years um as countries got a touch wealthier mcc was uh boxed out for statutory reasons thanks to congress uh we were had a canada pool expanded uh which has allowed us to go back into the western hemisphere which is critical for a whole host of reasons immigration economic growth national security uh our board in december selected uh bolivia guatemala and ecuador for programs um and we're in the process of developing those now in key sectors like uh transport and logistics and energy among others

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:39:58 – 1:40:03

i'm gonna follow up with you um since my time has expired thank you so much to all of you for being here

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:39:59 – 1:40:17

please thank you so much um we have another round we have we can do another round oh oh we can do another round if if we yeah so yeah yeah ok oh wait oh we got yeah ok yeah guys are not off the hook yet so uh let me let me let me go to you mister petrie as i mentioned in my opening remarks

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:40:13 – 1:40:13

yeah

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:40:18 – 1:41:18

the the mcc really has a unique role among among us agencies cause uh rather than just simply providing assistance which you know we could talk about your model is built on accountability uh measurable results and partnering right partnerships with countries that invest in their own success um but also requiring meaningful reforms and so everybody's heard this before as my time as chairman of this committee of this subcommittee have been consistent that every single dollar across our jurisdiction has to be justified i've mentioned it in the opening statement um and mcc like every other agency is no exception so as such for every dollar congress provides to the mcc what measurable economic benefits are are americans getting in return uh and how does mcc distinguish its impact from economic growth that would potentially have occurred without us assistance and how how how can you measure that

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:41:21 – 1:42:25

i share your priority in ensuring that we are good stewards of every single uh dollar that is appropriated to mcc and we're good stewards of the american taxpayer um on every single compact that mcc does we conduct a cost benefit analysis and that generates an economic rate of return um this isn't just a decision making tool at the outset uh this is uh really about uh uh we won't begin a project until that we've seen um a high economic rate of return we are looking to get sharper on this about calculating and bringing that rigor on america returns and so we see that really in three priority areas one is on us exports the other is on benefits to us firms and the third is around increasing resilience of us supply chains and so this is an area where uh moving forward we are looking to bring mcc s twenty two year track record of uh its evidence-based rigorous approach in applying that uh to this generating uh uh american returns

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:42:25 – 1:42:37

so and what financial commitments do partner countries make under under your contacts um you know what are threshold programs what are what what are their what's their commitment

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:42:35 – 1:43:36

yeah they have a lot of skin in the game uh and so we were talking about mongolia earlier they contributed a hundred and twelve million dollars to the success of that project we talked about nepal earlier they're kicking in a hundred and ninety seven million dollars to the success of that project that's a lot for a country like nepal uh when we look at other countries like benin they're contributing eighty eight million dollars belize just increased their country contribution from forty million dollars to fifty five million dollars and so this isn't just uh a grant money that's being handed out uh this is laser focused uh uh investments that are generating economic growth for in a time limited way in which these countries uh have significant skin in the game not just financially but we talked a little bit about these policy reforms as well and that's gonna generate the durability and the sustainability in the long term and ultimately build that self-reliance uh so that mcc or others is not needed there we want the private sector ultimately to be carrying this forward

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:43:36 – 1:43:40

yeah and that's the i love to hear that um ranking member

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:43:41 – 1:44:33

thank ok thank you alright jen and now we get to talk about something it's my passion and that is uh the economic uplifting of women and you know it's interesting because this was actually one of a tremendous bipartisan effort that actually started with donald trump's administration well the the law that really focused on women's empowerment economically his daughter ivanka was the uh spearheaded this and marco rubio's was one of the sponsors of the women peace and security but also economic prosperity so that's really what i what i wanna talk to you all about the and i'll start with dfc because i don't know why you're getting all my critical questions here today mister coleman mister connor coleman

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:44:32 – 1:44:35

i i think that's a compliment

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:44:34 – 1:44:36

ok that's good you're doing a good job

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:44:36 – 1:44:37

mmm

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:44:37 – 1:45:46

um in twenty twenty four dfc reported uh committing more than three point nine billion dollars across sixty transactions to advancing advancing its two x women's initiative and so i really wanna ask you about that is it still going on what kinds of projects do you have going on uh in in regards to women's economic empowerment uh uh what are the metrics that you're using to evaluate and so forth and uh i wanna ask each of you if you have similar type initiatives uh and the reason i cause i worry about it because i've seen now after there was this i call this there is now i call an obsession with this dei uh i call it dei obsession which is projects that were deleted uh by doge and other when if the if the where the woman was in it i mean it's like really crazy so you you get the gist of my question

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:45:47 – 1:45:48

absolutely

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:45:48 – 1:45:48

ok

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:45:48 – 1:46:01

um two x is still an initiative and women's economic uh empowerment is still very much a focal point of what we do here at the dfc i'm actually very excited you asked this question i i i memorize the specific

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:46:00 – 1:46:02

better than the other question

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:46:02 – 1:46:54

i i memorize the specific section in the build act that states our our our um mandate for for this initiative uh for this uh women's economic power it's fourteen fifty one just for you on this and within our portfolio um In fiscal year twenty twenty five, I can proudly say that DFC's clients has employed three hundred and sixty four thousand women which um helps improve their incomes and financial stability. Uh our clients uh reach a hundred and seventeen million women as customers, which gives them access to valuable products. And our clients supply ninety three million uh women with financial services, which gives them access to credit in promoting entrepreneurship. um i'm happy to go in a specific investment we just did which is microdetail which really highlights what we're doing here but i also don't wanna take time from others here

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:46:53 – 1:47:01

well what i would invite you to do is you'll come to my office one day and we can you can go go over it oh we can zoom

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:47:01 – 1:47:03

i i love that i will plan to do that

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:47:02 – 1:47:03

i would like to get the detail

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:47:03 – 1:47:04

of course

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:47:04 – 1:47:07

gentlemen i don't know can you can compete with that

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:47:09 – 1:47:30

mcc s statute is quite clear about the importance of of this topic and women comprise fifty percent or so of the population in the countries that we work and so laws and customs and other aspects that limit the economic participation of half the workforce is not a recipe for success

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:47:30 – 1:47:30

mmm

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:47:30 – 1:47:59

uh and so our teams conduct uh analysis really from the get-go about how our programs will benefit and generate uh economic growth widespread economic growth for both men uh and women. And so uh this is not um kind of uh something that is bolted on on the side. This is very much founded and grounded in our statute and then built into the MCC approach at various stages uh throughout the the life cycle of the program.

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:47:59 – 1:47:59

Thank you.

Thomas Hardy (Witness)1:48:00 – 1:49:10

Thank you, uh, thank you, member Frankel. I US I see firsthand all the time the important work USTA is doing that directly supports women leaders around the world. Um, just last week uh we concluded an agreement for a security modernization at the uh philippines airport uh that private concessionaire is led by a brilliant woman um it's that kind of investment that we're supporting that are supporting america are women-led companies um one area that we do have a direct control is uh something that the chairman referenced is reverse trade missions where we're bringing foreign decision makers to the united states to introduce them to american companies american technology financiers uh and uh one of the areas we across all of our regional portfolios is for all of these reverse trade missions we work to endeavor as best we can a balanced uh uh delegation of uh men and women leaders from uh the different organizations we're working with because we know firsthand the importance of uh women leadership um around the world i think even some of the work we've done in nigeria i'm sure you've probably

Rep. Frankel (FL-22)1:49:24 – 1:49:34

ok well again we'll be watching but thank you for that uh i'm interested in the details of of your work and with that mister chairman thank you for the extra time

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:49:34 – 1:49:41

no thank you remember uh you know your leadership there has been so so so essential and thank you so much um esmen

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:49:42 – 1:49:42

torres

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:49:42 – 1:49:44

yeah oh no i didn't i i didn't look i should have looked first

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:49:44 – 1:49:45

we sit together for a meeting

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:49:45 – 1:49:52

yeah yeah no i just i just saw that on the list uh congressman torres uh again thank you for your leadership as well

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:49:49 – 1:50:47

uh take it sure i appreciate it yes i like california much better than new york um mister coleman the law that created the dfc included my anti-corruption amendment just like a congressman um lois frankel is so focused on on women issues and very focused on anti-corruption efforts um this amendment require the dfc to develop policies and procedures for assessing whether foreign entities have in place sufficient enhanced due diligence uh policy and practices to prevent money laundering and corruption tell me how the eighteen point three percent cut um that has been that is in the fiscal year twenty seven budget request how is that proposed cut going to impact your ability to get this done

Conor Coleman (Witness)1:50:49 – 1:51:15

we remain very confident in our ability to still uphold all of our statutory requirements in the in the build act as currently stands and that's really due to our dedicated talented professionals that we have here at the dfc every single one of our investments includes member of our development policy in our legal counsel that really get into the details to make sure anti-corruption uh policies and procedures are in place for all of our transactions

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:51:15 – 1:51:26

thank you so much i love to go back to the infrastructure um piece uh through latin america if you can continue that conversation mister petri

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:51:25 – 1:51:43

uh yeah absolutely we we talked a bit about how mcc was there previously uh and we've since yes uh kind of renewed our effort in the western hemisphere and so we have uh four programs now currently underway in belize guatemala bolivia and ecuador um additional

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:51:43 – 1:51:50

is the belize piece uh tying um the petan the northern part of guatemala with belize

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:51:50 – 1:52:00

um the belize uh uh program is focused in a couple of areas we're putting in a hundred and twenty five million dollars they just upped their country contribution to fifty five million dollars

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:51:54 – 1:51:54

ok

Dan Petrie (Witness)1:52:01 – 1:52:33

we're focused primarily in energy um and including uh we'll be laying a submarine cable that is gonna uh not only improve connectivity but uh ultimately reduce and lower the cost for uh everyone in the country as uh they're currently using uh much higher cost uh kind of uh approach uh we're also focused on accountability in the education sector specifically and so um there's some uh workforce development aspects as well as uh teacher certification and things like that going on in belize

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:52:34 – 1:52:35

ok thank you and i yield back

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:52:36 – 1:52:38

thank you so much um

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:52:38 – 1:52:40

it's hardcore three people

Rep. Diaz-Balart (FL-26)1:52:41 – 1:53:40

yeah look as you can see the members of this subcommittee are really involved uh care about these issues and i for one have not been shy about making sure that every penny that we spend is helping our national security interest and frankly our economic prosperity of of the american people with accountability i think today has been i hope the american people have a chance to listen to this hearing uh i think they would be frankly impressed with what they have heard um and not only is it those issues but let's not let's not also forget that while while that's going on yeah you know pushing back on the ccp that's in our national security interest that's in our economic interest and and so much more so look i wanna thank you the members may submit additional questions for the record uh to our witnesses thank you for your time thank you for uh thoroughly answering the questions this concludes uh today's hearing the subcommittee on national security department of state and related programs is adjourned

Rep. Torres (CA-35)1:53:41 – 1:53:42

well

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