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Annual Worldwide Threats Assessment Hearing (OPEN)

Thursday, March 19, 2026

Summary

  • Tulsi Gabbard (Director, Office of the Director of National Intelligence) said Operation Epic Fury degraded Iran's missiles, navy, and nuclear rebuilding while regime remains intact but weakened.

  • John Ratcliffe (Director, Central Intelligence Agency) said Iran holds 440 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium with no civilian use, indicating continued nuclear weapons ambition.

  • Jason Crow pressed Gabbard on Iran threat timelines, and Gabbard said imminence is determined by the president based on total intelligence.

  • Chairman Eric Crawford commended President Trump's Iran strikes as necessary, while Ranking Member James Himes called the war unconstitutional without prior congressional authorization.

  • Lawmakers face an April 19 deadline on FISA Section 702 reauthorization, with intelligence leaders backing an 18-month clean extension requested by President Trump.

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11:21 – 11:23

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11:26 – 22:01

Morning everyone, I call the committee to order. Without objection the chair may declare the committee in recess at any time. Before we begin today's hearing I would like to provide a few important reminders. First, today's open portion is being broadcast live on C-SPAN and streamed on the committee's YouTube channel. This open portion as part of the hearing uh will be conducted entirely on an unclassified basis. All participants are reminded to refrain from discussing classified or other sensitive information protected from public disclosure. I will adjourn this open session following completion of one round of questions and will then move into a closed session where such questions can be asked. Second, I want to welcome the audience and inform them that while I fully support cont- uh constitutionally protected rights of speech and protest this is not the time or the place. Any would-be disruptors in the audience who interfere with the committee's business will not be tolerated. For this event members will have five minutes with the witnesses. I ask each of my colleagues to keep both your questions and complete answers from the witnesses within that allotted five minutes. Any last minute questions or responses that can't be completed in time will be submitted for the record. We do expect a vote series at ten o'clock this morning. The vote will be held open so we don't plan to recess. We'll uh address that when the time comes. Additionally, in the same manner in which the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has conducted itself in a recent worldwide threat hearings, Again, thank you for being here today. The worldwide threats hearing provides the American people the opportunity here directly from our intelligence community leadership on the threats that face our nation. It's my pleasure to welcome our witnesses to today's hearing. Director of National Intelligence, the Honorable Tulsi Gabbard, Director of Centel- Central Intelligence Agency, the Honorable John Ratcliffe, Director of Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Honorable Kash Patel, Acting Director of the National Security Agency, Lieutenant General William J. Hartman, and Director of Defense Intelligence Agency, Lieutenant General James H. Adams, the third. Thank you all for being here. It's a gross understatement to say that a lot has occurred since we met at this hearing last year before I addressed the issues I had planned I want to address Iran. Once it was clear that diplomacy would not stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon or holding the world under threat through ballistic missiles and terrorist networks, President Trump took decisive action to eliminate the threat. Make no mistake, Iran is committed to acquiring nuclear weapons. It's been their policy and it is their intent. Anyone who thinks we weren't on borrowed time is refusing to acknowledge the failure of prior policies. It's a simple fact that the consecutive that consecutive administrations had exhausted all other options to end this threat. Our witnesses here are tasked with providing intelligence to informed decision makers. There's only one person in America who has the responsibility and the obligation to act when he believes there is a clear and present danger to our safety. The Commander-in-Chief has that duty, and I commend his decisiveness in his most difficult of decisions. I've been in briefings that the administration provided to all members, to this committee, and to the gang of eight. The classified case is clear even if it can't be fully discussed in the open. The President made a difficult but necessary decision. My Democrat colleagues have made it clear that they don't agree. What we shouldn't disagree on is that the United States has effectively been at war with Iranian regime for the last forty-seven years. Death to America is not just a slogan on a T-shirt that you buy at Tehran International Airport, or at the campus bookstore at Columbia University. It's their ethos and their policy. They are responsible for the deaths of countless Americans. I want to thank the many service members and intelligence officers involved in Operation Epic Fury for their selfless service. For those who have lost loved ones in this fight, please know that you are in our prayers. Most sincerely, your loved ones died in service to the United States of America. We honor them and you for their service. Freedom loving people everywhere are thankful for their sacrifice. That said, there are a few other topics it's important for me to address. First, after four years of Biden's wide open borders and anemic foreign policy, in just one short year the Trump administration has secured our borders and reasserted America as a decisive leader that commands respect on the world stage. This administration has secured a stunning number of wins for the United States, including reasserting the importance of the Western hemisphere in disrupting China's predatory Belt and Road activities in our neighborhood, negotiating a ceasefire in Gaza resulting in the freeing of the hostages held by the bloodthirsty Hamas terrorists, and working with our NATO partners to more than double their Russ- their uh defense spending against pressing threats from CCP and Russia. I thank each of the witnesses here today for their parts in the reassertion of American leadership. Second, our role here is to both authorize your authorities and resources and oversee their implementation. One of those authorities is FISA seven O two, which expires in just over a month. The president is seeking an eighteen month clean extension to provide more time to assess the implementation of the fifty-six reform measures included in the last reauthorization. I'm working with the ranking member, House leadership, and Judiciary Chairman Jordan to support that request. We look forward to an update from the panel today on compliance RISA implementation and mission value. Third, last year I made clear my expectation that we would work together to end the weaponization of the intelligence community, improve analytic integrity, and fix our broken counterintelligence enterprise. Many in Congress and across our nation have lost trust in the intelligence community. While we have made progress, there's still much work that remains to be done. I hope to continue working with each of you to do the hard things necessary to protect American citizens while regaining their trust. I also remain committed to tackling the issues that allow hostile foreign powers to operate so effectively against us, including within the United States. Specifically, foreign intelligence threats targeting the United States now surpass levels seen at the height of the Cold War in both scale and complexity. These threats include cyber penetrations of critical infrastructure, US government systems, and private sector innovators, as well as surveillance near sensitive military installations, intelligence collection against foreign dissidents living in the United States. Like in the Cold War where conflict often gave way to irregular operations below the level Today's adversary tactics have made the homeland a contested environment. We must properly resource and reform our nation's counterintelligence enterprise to meet that threat. We must transform our approaches in order to confront adversarial intelligence services at scale, driving back operational activities in the homeland and forcing our adversaries to rethink their risk calculus for operating in the United States. Unfortunately, in recent years the counterintelligence enterprise lost a significant amount of credibility. with the American people due to the actions of those involved in cases like Crossfire Hurricane and Arctic Frost. For our intelligence community to best serve America, the CI community and the larger IC must stay out of domestic policy debates and focus on unrelenting aggressive mission execution. For our intelligence community to best serve America, the CI community and the larger IC must stay out of uh those debates. Director Gabbart, I uh Director Gabbart, I wanna particularly commend your efforts in this space. Specifically, I want to thank you and President Trump for working with us to declassify the HPSI majority staff report on the two thousand seventeen intelligence community assessment on Russian plans and intentions in the two thousand sixteen election. The majority staff report, which had been kept from the American people for eight years, proves that the two thousand seventeen ICA, the public genesis of the Russia collusion hoax, was a politicized document. Its key assessment on Putin's hopes for the two thousand sixteen election was built on at best a abysmal an- analytic tradecraft, and at worst, willful political charged int- charged intentions. This was a necessary act of transparency to begin the process of rebuilding trust with the American people and the IC. But please know the challenges facing each one of you uh is that are testifying here is not lost on this committee. Getting a large ship back on the right course is never easy. The task can certainly be challenged by unforeseen obstacles and obstructions. You know you are doing something right when all the weapons in the media's arsenal pointed directly at you. Thank you all for pressing forward. We can walk and chew gum at the same time, and we must. We must have our IC as aggressive as ever in pursuing its mission while holding those accountable who participated in its misuse. I thank each of you for doing this and encourage you to all keep moving on both fronts. Finally, now I want to speak to our remarkable IC workforce. I'm immensely proud of the incredible work that you do, especially over the last year to support critical military intelligence and law enforcement operations. From operations Midnight Hammer, Absolute Resolve, Southern Spear, and Epic Fury, to the many other operations you've conducted in the shadows with no fanfare, Americans will never be able to fully appreciate all you do to protect this nation. I think I can speak for the entire committee when I say we extend our deepest gratitude. America truly has the best of the best in our ranks. It's for this primary reason I would like to address the House Intelligence committee's ongoing investigation into the intelligence community's mishandling of anomalous health incidents also known as Havana syndrome, and the mistreatment of AHI survivors. I'm aware of the drastic increase in media reporting around this issue, and I'd like to first reiterate the c- reiterate the committee's commitment to releasing additional unclassified information. Our team has worked diligently to conduct this investigation with the utmost integrity and we cannot be driven by outside timelines. I commit to the workforce to release additional reports as appropriate. Put simply, it's my clear opinion that individuals in the intelligence community were involved in a cover-up. Manipulating intelligence processes and a breach of intelligence community directive two O three to provide a desired outcome, rather than a forthright analysis to inform decision makers. Our investigation, the vast majority of which remains appropriately classified, continues to show that the intelligence community assessment was constructed upon flawed analytic trade craft. This includes the use of study results from the National Institutes of Health, that were manufactured through highly unethical means and in collaboration with individuals working for the CIA. ICAs carry a great deal of weight. While typically classified, the impact is increased exponentially when declassified and released as part of a public messaging effort, as was done with the AHI ICA. As I have repeatedly stated, since December of two thousand twenty-four, the AHI ICA and its follow-on updates caused real serious harm to some of our nation's bravest. Last month I called for its immediate recall and I reiterate my reiterate my position today according to recent media reporting Director Gabbard, your office has said your review of the ICA will be quote comprehensive and complete end quote and that you remain committed to sharing

22:00 – 22:00

Mm-hmm.

22:01 – 22:41

findings from your review with the American people thank you for that. And separately, D- Director Ratcliffe, your team has also quoted in recent media reporting saying that you support the ODNI review and look forward to the report thank you so much for that, Director. I thank both of you for your commitment to this review's completion and and publishing. This i- issue is complex and the underlying facts are not as simple as often portrayed in the public. No fully informed analysis will make everyone happy. That said, today I call for this review to be provided to the committee and strongly urge you to release the public whatever portion of this review can be made unclassified this is vital to rebuilding trust moving forward. I want to thank our witnesses again for being here today and with that I want to recognize the distinguished ranking member Mr. Himes for his opening statement.

22:43 – 28:08

Thank you, Mister Chairman, and a big welcome to all of our witnesses. I hope that whatever else is said today that you will convey to your workforces, our deep admiration and appreciation for their diligence, their commitment and their sacrifice. Sometimes this moment feels a little bit like that old Billy Joel song, we didn't start the fire, North Korea, Red China, War on Ukraine, Greenland, Cuba, terrorism, burning drug boats, and of course the massive fire that we did start, our latest Middle Eastern war. Where to begin? Our national elections are about seven months away, and plenty of Americans are worried that President Trump may indeed, as he said, take control. Meanwhile, we are not receiving the traditional indications or warnings of foreign intelligence efforts to interfere in those elections. There have been several terrorists to tax in recent weeks, and meanwhile the FBI, our premier counterterrorism agency, has pivoted hard to immigration enforcement. But I can't begin today with any- anything other than that fire that we did start, Iran. The constitution to which every single one of us swears an oath reser- reserves decisions of war to the representatives of the people. And that's not ink on parchment. There are good reasons for that. First, let's start with why. Why did we and are we risking our blood and treasure on a deeply risky venture, one that the President of the United States and the Director of National Intelligence have spent years telling us is a terrible idea. The President has said that Iran was preparing an imminent attack on the United States. That is not true. As awful as the regime is and always has been, not one of your agencies has produced a single report saying that Iran posed an imminent threat to the United States. The president also claimed that Iran would soon possess a nuclear weapon, perhaps in weeks. That is also not true. It is not supported by a single report from your agencies, and it is certainly belied by the repeated claim that Iran's nuclear capability was obliterated mere months ago. Second, let's consider the consequences, as the Congress should have done. The Congress, not one man, should consider whether our constituents in uniform will live or die. The Congress, not one man, should decide if Americans will spend an additional thirty dollars a week to fill their gas tanks. the Congress, not one man, should consider if it is wise to allow the Russians to sell their oil to India so that they have millions of dollars with which to kill the Ukrainians that we are now begging for help, to defend ourselves against Iranian drones. Finally, had the administration chosen to abide by the constitution, Congress might have considered the answer to General Petraeus's all-important question. Tell me how this ends. When the Iranian navy is sunk and the missile launchers are destroyed, and we have re-obliterated the nuclear infrastructure, do we declare victory and sail away? How do we feel about a new supreme leader who is more extreme and vicious and dedicated to the development of a nuclear weapon than the last one? Do we do a deal with him? How do we get him to open the Strait of Hormuz? Do we bomb more? And if we sail away and declare victory, are we back there nine months from now to re-sink a rebuilt navy and re-bomb rebuilt missile launchers? Is this gonna be an every nine month thing or is it going to be annual? The very core purpose of the intelligence community is to answer these questions for the president, for us, and for the American people. Right now, as we watch the dignified transfer of lost American patriots at Dover, as we watch gasoline approach five dollars a gallon, as we watch our allies mocking us on the world stage, we need to know. Were those questions asked? How did you answer them for the President of the United States? And did he listen? I understand that the administration may come to the Congress to ask for funding of two hundred billion dollars for this war. As you answer those questions for us today, I'd ask you to remember that old saying, "If you want me there for the landing, Make sure I'm there at the takeoff. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.

28:09 – 28:26

Thank the gentlemen for his comments. Um, before I turn it over to Director Gabbard, I would like to thank General Hartman for nearly four decades of service. I know you're retiring, I think, tomorrow. Uh, you are here, I I just uh applaud your service of uh to this nation and your leadership at the NSA, and thank you and wish you all the best in your retirement.

28:27 – 28:29

Thank you, Chairman. I think tomorrow was well.

28:29 – 28:34

All right. Thank you. Uh, Director Gabbard, you're recognized.

28:35 – 48:31

Thank you very much. Good morning, Chairman Crawford, Ranking Member Himes, members. I'm here today to present the twenty twenty-six annual threat assessment and joined by my colleagues, the directors of the CIA, the DIA, FBI, and NSA. This briefing is being provided in accordance with ODNI's statutory responsibility. What I'm briefing here today does not represent my personal views or opinions, but rather the assessments of the intelligence community, of the threats that facing the United States, our homeland and our interests. In this assessment, we're following the structure of priorities that were laid out in the President's national security strategy starting with threats to our homeland, then shifting to global risks. The defense of our homeland is of the utmost importance to the American people, and efforts by this administration over the last year to bolster homeland defense have yielded significantly positive results. For example, the strict enforcement of US policies at the US-Mexico border and regionally have served as a deterrent and drastically reduced illegal immigration. Based on Customs and Border Patrol data, January twenty twenty-six's monthly encounters are down eighty-three point eight percent compared to January of twenty-twenty-five. The drivers of migration are likely to continue. Potential worsening instability in countries like Cuba and Haiti risk triggering migration surges. Smugglers who often operate as transnational criminal organizations view chaos as an opportunity for profit and will likely continue to profit from these illegal immigration flows. These TCOs continue to pose a daily and direct threat to the health and safety of millions of US citizens primarily by producing and trafficking in illegal drugs. Under President Trump's leadership, fentanyl overdose deaths have seen a thirty percent decrease from September of twenty twenty-four to September of twenty twenty-five. His agr- aggressive efforts to more directly and actively target these transnational criminal organizations and reduce the inflow of fentanyl precursors has already had a significant impact, which is likely to continue. Mexico-based transnational criminal organizations like the Sinaloa Cartel and Jalisco New Generation Cartel dominate the production and smuggling of fentanyl, heroin, methamphetamine, and cocaine into the United States. Columbia-based TCOs and illegal armed groups like the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia and the National Liberation Army are responsible for producing and trafficking large volumes of cocaine into the US and European markets with some indicators that they're that they are now attempting to expand to the Asia-Pacific region. Columbia remains the world's largest producer of cocaine and Colombian criminal groups have expanded their trafficking relationships with neighboring Ecuadorian and Brazilian gangs. MS thirteen is well established in cells in the United States and uses violence to intimidate the Salvadoran diaspora, engaging in murder, extortion, retail drug trafficking, firearms offenses and prostitution, fueling increased violence and instability. These and other TCOs present a very tangible and individualized risk of violent crime to everyday Americans. and contribute to regional instability. As the president increases counter-drug and counter-cartel pressures, they're likely to seek ways to try to adapt their operations, including shifting and decentralizing production locations and trafficking routes and methods. The United States continues to face a complex and evolving threat landscape with a geographically diverse set of Islamist terrorist actors seeking to propagate their ideology globally and harm Americans. even as Al-Qaeda and ISIS organizationally remain weaker today than they were at their respective peaks. The the spread of Islamist ideology in some cases, led by individuals and organizations associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, pose a fundamental threat to freedom and foundational principles that underpin Western civilization. These Islamist groups and individuals use this ideology for recruiting and financial support for terrorist groups and individuals around the world, and to advance their political objectives of establishing an Islamist caliphate which governs based on Sharia. There are increasing examples of this in various European countries. President Trump's designation of certain chapters of the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign terrorist organizations is a mechanism to secure Americans against this threat. In response to setbacks of their capabilities of conducting large-scale complex attacks the IC assesses that Islamist terrorist groups have towards focusing on executing information operations to spread propaganda and inspire or enable individuals located in or with access to the West. US counterterrorism operations are ongoing, primarily in Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and Syria, and have removed key terrorist leaders and operatives, degrading the ability of Al-Qaeda and ISIS to quickly reconstitute its leadership and launch large-scale attacks against the homeland. Strict U. S. border enforcement measures and increased deportations of individuals with suspected links to Islamist terrorists have reduced access to the homeland and removed some potential sources of future terror attacks. Since January, U. S. officials have only had a handful of encounters at our borders with individuals associated with terrorist groups. This is a positive trend. However, our inter-agency coordinated efforts to identify, locate and remove known or suspected terrorists who are already in the U S continues with vigilance. In twenty twenty five, there were at least three Islamist terrorist attacks in the U S. Law enforcement disrupted at least fifteen U S based Islamist terrorist pro- plotters. Roughly half of last year's disrupted plotters had some on-line contact with Islamist terrorists inspired by Islamist foreign terrorist organizations abroad. Al-Qaeda and ISIS pose the biggest threat. to US interests overseas in parts of Africa, the Middle East and South Asia where these groups operate. In the Middle East, AQAP in Yemen, ISIS-K in South Asia and ISIS in Syria are among the most likely groups conducting external plotting. ISIS in Syria specifically is likely seeking to rebuild its ranks, expand support networks and solicit funds by re-engaging with and recruiting from the likely hundreds of ISIS detainees, and thousands of ISIS-linked women and children who escaped or were released from prisons and displaced persons' camps. Meanwhile, state actors present a risk broader in scope by seeking new capabilities in kinetic and cyber warfare. The US secure nuclear deterrent continues to ensure safety in the homeland against strategic threats. However, the IC assesses that Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and Pakistan have been researching and developing an array of novel, advanced, or traditional missile delivery systems with nuclear and conventional payloads that put our homeland within range. The ICSS's that threats to the homeland will expand collectively to more than sixteen thousand missiles by twenty thirty-five, from the current assessed figure of more than three thousand missiles. The ICSS's that China and Russia are developing advanced delivery systems, meant to be capable of penetrating or bypassing US missile defenses. North Korea's ICBMs can already reach US soil. The ICSS's that it is committed to expanding its nuclear arsenal. Pakistan's long-range ballistic missile development potentially could include ICBMs with a range capable of striking the homeland. The ICSS's that Iran has previously demonstrated space launch and other technology it could use to begin to develop a militarily viable ICBM before twenty thirty-five. should Tehran attempt to pursue the capability. However, these assessments will be observed and updated as the full impact of Operation Epic Furies' devastating strikes on Iran's missile production facilities, stockpiles and launch capabilities is determined. Shifting to the cyber domain, the ICSS says that China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and non-state ransomware groups will continue to seek to compromise US government and private sector networks as well as critical infrastructure to collect intelligence and create options for future disruption and for financial gain. The ICSS's China and Russia present the most persistent and active threats and are continuing R and D efforts. North Korea's cyber program is sophisticated and agile. In twenty twenty five alone, North Korea's cryptocurrency heist probably stole two billion dollars, which is helping to fund the regime, including further development of its strategic weapons program. Financially or ideologically motivated non-state actors are becoming more bold with ransomware groups shifting to faster high volume attacks that are harder to identify and mitigate. Innovation in the field of artificial intelligence will likely accelerate the threats in the cyber domain. It will increasingly shape cyber operations with both cyber operators and defenders using these tools to improve their speed and effectiveness. For example, in August of twenty twenty five, cyber used an AI tool to conduct data extortion against international government, health care and public health emergency service sectors and religious institutions. Shifting to the Arctic, the ICSS's that Russia and to a lesser extent China, aim to strengthen their presence in the region through increased maritime trade, natural resource extraction and military activity. Russia, which has the longest coastline in the Arctic, has long sought recognition of its quote-unquote " polar great power" status, and is deploying more military forces and building new permanent infrastructure. China, though not an Arctic country, is engaged in more limited efforts in the region to advance its strategic and economic interests. On the technology front, artificial intelligence capabilities are rapidly advancing and changing the threat landscape. As this is a defining technology that enables computers and machines to simulate human learning comprehension, problem-solving, creativity and autonomy, it'll be critical to ensure that humans remain in control of how AI is used and of the machines that may threaten to autonomously violate the interests of the American people, across all domains. The ICSS is that China is the most capable competitor in this field and aims to displace the US as the global AI leader by twenty thirty. AI adoption at scale across the spectrum of usage poses serious risks. AI has the potential to aid in weapons and systems design and has been used in recent conflicts to influence targeting and streamlined decision-making, underscoring the risk and likely threats that could manifest on the battlefield. Early developers in quantum computers will give countries an extraordinary technology technological advantage over others to quickly process national security information and break current encryption methodology used to protect sensitive finance health care, and government information. The global security landscape is volatile and complex, with armed conflict growing more common and posing potential threats against US interests. The space domain is becoming increasingly contested, with China and Russia developing counter space capabilities to challenge US space efforts. The threat of nuclear proliferation and advancing chemical and biological warfare capabilities continues to grow. Turn now to the Western hemisphere, where flagging economies, high crime rates, pervasive organized crime, migration flows, corruption, narcotics trafficking present a broad spectrum of risks to US interests, and where strategic competitors seek to gain greater influence in the region. The ICSS says that Latin America and the Caribbean almost certainly will see hot spots of volatility in the coming year, with the potential to undermine or distract from countries some countries from improving economies and living conditions and tackling illicit drug flows and cartels. The US-Mexico-Canada agreement review in twenty twenty-six will likely increase uncertainty in many Latin American countries especially those that rely on Mexico as an export destination for intermediate goods for manufacture and onward export to the US. China, Russia and Iran are seeking to sustain economic, political and military engagement with Latin America. The ICSS's that China's demand for raw materials is likely to drive continued economic outreach, while Russia likely wants to expand its current security and diplomatic ties with Cuba and Nicaragua. The ICSS's that China aims to elevate its own political, economic, military and technological power to increase its own regional positioning, global influence, and to fend off threats to their interests. While there are challenging areas where interests diverge, President Trump's diplomatic engagements with President Xi have enabled progress on areas where mutual interests align. The ICSS's that China continues to rapidly modernize its military forces across all domains, in pursuit of its goal to achieve world-class status by mid-century. This includes building a force with the aim of being capable of deterring US and allied forces in the region, and to achieve their stated objective of having the capability to seize Taiwan by force if necessary. However, the ICSS is that China likely prefers to set the conditions for an eventual peaceful reunification with Taiwan short of conflict. An increasingly confident North Korean regime remains a source of concern regionally and globally. Its weapons of mass destruction, conventional military capabilities, illicit cyber activities, and demonstrated willingness to use asymmetric capabilities poses a threat to the US and its allies, particularly South Korea and Japan. North Korea's partnership with Russia is growing, and in twenty twenty five Kim took steps to improve ties with China, still North Korea's most important trading partner and economic benefactor. The ICSS's that North Korea's support for Russia in the war against Ukraine has increased North Korean capabilities as their forces have gained combat experience in twenty-first century warfare, along with equipment. Pyongyang continues to develop and expand its strategic weapons programs, including missiles that can evade US and regional missile defenses. Russia retains the capability to selectively challenge US interests globally by military and non-military means. The ICSS's that the most dangerous threat posed by Russia to the US is an escalatory spiral in an ongoing conflict, such as Ukraine, or a new conflict that led to direct hostilities, including the deployment of nuclear weapons. The ICSS's that Putin continues to invest in Russia's defense industrial base, as well as novel capabilities that may pose a greater threat to the U. S. homeland and forces abroad than conventional weapons. The ICSS's Russia has advanced systems, hypersonic missiles and undersea capabilities, designed to negate U. S. military advantage. Russia is also building extensive counter space capabilities to contest US space dominance. Its development of a nuclear counter space weapon poses the greatest single threat to the world's space architecture. During the past year, the ICSS says that Russia has maintained the upper hand in its war against Ukraine. Ongoing US-led negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv continue. Until such an agreement is met, if an agreement is found, Moscow is likely to continue fighting a slow war of attrition until they view their objectives have been achieved. In the Middle East, conflict and instability will shape security, political and economic dynamics in a variety of ways. The ICSS says that Operation Epic Fury is advancing fundamental change in the region that began with Hamas's attack on Israel on October seventh, twenty twenty three, continued with the Twelve Day War last year, resulting in weakening Iran and its proxies. The IC assesses that the regime in Iran appears to be intact, but largely gr- largely degraded due to attacks by Israel and the US on its leadership and military capabilities. Its conventional military power projection capabilities have largely been destroyed, leaving limited options. Iran's strategic position has been significantly degraded. The US-led maximum pressure campaign and snapback of European sanctions added additional pressure, to an already bleak Iranian economy, resulting in mass protests earlier this year that Tehran suppressed by killing thousands of protesters. Even if the regime remains intact, internal tensions are likely to increase as Iran's economy worsens. Even so, Iran and its proxies continue to attack US and allied interests in the Middle East. If a hostile regime survives, it will likely seek to begin a years-long effort to rebuild its military missiles and UAV forces. Prior to Operation Epic Fury, the IC assesses Iran was trying to recover from the severe damage to its nuclear infrastructure sustained during the twelve day war. Iran maintained the intention to rebuild its infrastructure and nuclear enrichment capability, and continued to refuse to comply with its nuclear obligations with the IAEA, refusing them access to key facilities. The IC assesses that China, Russia, Korea see the United States as a strategic competitor and potential adversary. Iran has long viewed the US as an adversary and has engaged in active conflict with the US as of this writing. These four countries are likely to continue their selective cooperation with each other which could bolster their individual capabilities and threats to US interests more broadly. However, these curr- currently these relationships are primarily bilateral on selective issues and depend on broader circumstances, divergent sovereign interests, and in some cases concerns over directly confronting the US. These factors are likely to constrain their relationships. Finally, conflicts on the continent of Africa are likely to persist through twenty twenty-six due to poor governance economic demands and external support. Tensions continue between Ethiopia and Eritrea, which could rapidly accelerate to conflict. Contentious national and federal elections in Somalia, could distract the federal government away from counterterrorism actions against al-Shabaab, which continues to s- conduct terror attacks while providing funding and propaganda support to other elements of Al-Qaeda in Yemen. The civil war in Sudan continues even as external negotiations occur, and ISIS in West Africa and the Sahel have increased the intensity of their attacks against local security forces expanding their areas of operation and moving closer to cities with the US presence. African governments will use their wealth and critical minerals to seek partnerships that deliver them meaningful benefit. Concurrent conflicts and crises across the continent will continue to put US and citizens at risk and cause further instability. In closing, as leaders of the intelligence community, we remain committed to providing the president and policymakers with timely, unbiased, relevant intelligence to ensure the safety, security and freedom of the American people. Thank you.

48:33 – 49:27

Thank you for your comments, Director Gabbard. We appreciate that. We'll now move to member questions, five minute increments. Uh, with that I recognize myself for five minutes. Um, Director Patel, our state and local officials are on the front lines of increasingly dangerous unrestricted warfare activities being undertaken by Chinese national such as marijuana grow operations protected by armed militants secret police stations engaged in transnational repression, Chinese operated SIM farm sites crypto mining facilities and land purchases near strategic locations. The CCP is exploiting legal gray areas and the lack of awareness at the state and local level to establish strategic footholds. Uh, two states, in fact, New Hampshire and Florida, are now advancing legislation to establish offices of counterintelligence, which would bolster uh state's ability to confront foreign adversaries without relying on the federal government. Um, do you support that, what can be done to uh better support the states and local s- local officials?

49:28 – 50:47

Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, we have um infused um uh funding into our entire entire program taking on the CCP. And while we are well versed in the fact that we have our capabilities with uh folks like CFIUS when it comes to the purchases of land around military bases, that only extends one mile under the current law, so the FBI had to get creative. So what we did was directly engage with our state and local partners. And I'll give you two examples. Uh, a four hundred acre farm in the state of Texas was owned by a C. official. But because he was outside the reach of the CFIUS law, the FBI uh executed a unlawful possession of firearms, uh a criminal complaint and r- received it. We seized the land in in its entirety and that C- CCP National is back in mainland China and we are working to get them back here. In another example off the coast of Louisiana, we worked with Governor Landry's team on um drilling sites off the coast of Louisiana because again they were outside the whole of CFIUS in the one mile radius. And with the intelligence we were able to provide our state and local authorities, they shut down that CCP uh drilling center, which we believed was actually used to provide and steal data and intelligence from American lives. So that's just a little bit of an example. On the marijuana grow houses, we have six active ongoing investigations in six multiple jurisdictions for specifically taking down CCP avai- affiliated grow houses from Maine to Georgia and across the country.

50:47 – 50:57

So it sounds like uh from your characterization of CFIUS it's inadequate at this point. Maybe we could do something legislatively here in this body to provide some uh broader authority to address that challenge.

50:56 – 50:57

I would love that.

50:57 – 51:38

OK, great, excellent, thank you. Director Ratcliffe in January of twenty twenty one um in your role at DNI as the director you sent this committee a letter outlining your concerns about an intelligence community assessment in which among other things analysts tailored their uh analysis towards a preferred policy outcome CIA management pressured analysts to withdraw their support from an alternative viewpoint and the full body of intelligence reporting wasn't considered Now in your role as CIA director, you have retracted several reports for political bias and not meeting IC analytic standards, which that's good progress. Retracting faulty reporting is a critical step, but I remain concerned about that it maybe doesn't get to the root of the problem. How many analysts were involved in the products you recently retracted?

51:41 – 51:43

I don't know the specific number, Chairman.

51:44 – 51:48

Um, um, what remediation actions have taken place as a result?

51:48 – 52:53

Well, uh, I've made the focus of, uh, as you as you pointed out it mmm mmm both as DNI and now as CIA director focused on um, the importance of uh, analytic objectivity uh, as you, as you pointed out when I was the, when I was the DNI when I saw um, a conduct from Russia and China, the exact same conduct result in different assessments, uh, that's not a good reflection on the uh, the analytic judgments. Um, uh, what you referenced in my role as CIA uh, withdrawing reports that we went back and looked that, that didn't reflect, uh, the analytic standards that we would expect. Um, I retracted those, uh, judgments because they, they show bias and, and influence for political reasons or otherwise. So, that has continued to be a focus and, and will be. Um, I think that that message has been received within our analytic, uh, community within the CIA and really across the, the CIA because this administration has put a focus on, taking politics out of our uh analytic judgments.

52:53 – 53:19

Excellent. Thank you, Director. Appreciate that. I wa- I wanna um, as I made clear in my opening statement, I'm just I'm trying to get this done in the little time that I have remaining, uh, uh, the intelligence community assessment on AHI is deeply flawed and - and I've called for its recall immediately to start for a - for a fresh start, similar to my quest- my question in last year's session, but w- um, I'd like to get a yes or no answer from each of you on whether you agree this ICA should be retracted. Director Gabbard.

53:20 – 53:21

Yes.

53:21 – 53:22

Director Ratcliff.

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The the IC the s say it again, the question point.

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The AHI ICA?

53:27 – 53:44

Yeah, so uh for the ICA I understand that Director Gabbard is um is is reviewing that, and I've deferred uh all AHI investigations to to her review, so if in her judgment that is something that should be retracted, then um then uh then I would agree with that.

53:43 – 53:45

Then yes. OK, Director Patel.

53:46 – 53:47

Yes.

53:47 – 53:49

Thank you, uh uh General Hartman

53:50 – 53:50

Yes.

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and General Adams.

53:53 – 53:53

Yes, sir.

53:54 – 53:59

Thank you, I appreciate that. Thank you all for your um for your responses. I'm gonna recognize the ranking member for five minutes.

54:00 – 54:36

Uh, thank you, Chairman. Um, Director Gabbard, as was well covered yesterday in January, you were present at the execution of an FBI warrant at the Fulton County Georgia election office, uh, at the direction of the president and to all appearances and connection with the president's false claims about the twenty twenty election. The unsealed affidavit submitted by the FBI made zero reference to foreign powers or outside interference. I don't want to relitigate the reasons why you were there, but I do want to know whether as a result of your visit there is credible intelligence in your possession pointing to foreign interference in Georgia, in the twenty twenty election.

54:38 – 54:50

Uh, thank you for the question, uh, ranking member. Um, as you know, over each of the previous elections, there is an ongoing effort by different foreign entities to try to inter interfere

54:48 – 54:50

Ma'am, it's a very specific question. It's a,

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in our elections.

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is there intelligence in your possession relative to foreign interference in the twenty twenty elections? Very simple, straightforward question.

54:57 – 55:04

We are continuing to look at previous attempts to interfere in our elections and any ongoing threats that may exist for the upcoming elections.

55:04 – 55:09

OK, but can I assume that the answer to the qu- my question is no, that you have no

55:13 – 55:16

The the um we are continuing to look into this matter.

55:16 – 55:38

OK. Um Uh, Director, the ODNI has confirmed on the record uh that your office took custody of voting machines from Puerto Rico last May. I'm not aware of any previous DNI taking similar actions. Did your office promptly notify the committee about taking custody of Puerto Rico's voting machines?

55:39 – 55:48

Uh, I don't believe we did. However, this was done at the request of uh the Puerto Rico AUSA attorney and in conjunction with the FBI.

55:46 – 56:03

Yeah, I mean it's a yes or no question, the answer as you have it acknowledges no, you did not inform the committee about the taking of a territory's voting machines. Is there a specific foreign threat? And I've read the reporting that you were looking for possible foreign threats, but is there a specific foreign threat that drove you to take this action?

56:03 – 56:13

There were questions about whether or not there were vulnerabilities that a threat could have taken advantage of, and that was the purpose for, they're requesting us to look into those vulnerabilities.

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Where where are those voting machines now?

56:16 – 56:19

Uh, I believe they are held in a secure facility at ODNI.

56:21 – 56:27

Have you or other ODNI officials taken any other state or territory's voting equipment into custody?

56:27 – 56:28

Not to my knowledge.

56:30 – 57:21

Um, I wanna turn, in the subject of elections, to a paradoxical thing. You will all be aware that the US government is apparently going to grind to a halt, uh the president is going to sign no more bills, the senate will spend two weeks uh apparently debating the save act, the save act of course would make illegal foreigners voting in US elections which is already illegal, so we are to do no more business because of apparently the existential threat to our democracy associated with foreigners voting in our elections. I am therefore puzzled by the fact that neither the unclassified nor the classified threat assessment makes any reference to risk or danger associated with foreigners voting in our elections. Director Patel, how many non-citizens have been convicted of voting in US elections in the last ten years?

57:22 – 57:26

The conviction stats were were are with the Department of Justice. I defer to them on that.

57:27 – 57:48

Uh, you are the director of the FBI. Give me a guess. How many convictions in the last one year, five years, I don't have that with me, sir. Again, it's with the department. You don't have that w- OK. Um, Director Patel, how many active investigations does the FBI have into foreign, uh, individuals voting in US elections?

57:50 – 57:58

We have, um, a number of investigations, generally speaking, ongoing about individuals across the country.

57:58 – 57:59

Yeah, I'm asking for that number.

57:59 – 58:02

I don't have that number with me, but I have a number of them.

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You have a number of investigations. OK, is that number ten thousand, is it closer to ten thousand or closer to ten?

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It's probably somewhere in between.

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OK, will you p- please provide the committee with that number?

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Yes, sir.

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OK. Director Patel, would it, since you don't have the numbers, would it surprise you to know that uh the Heritage Foundation, which is not exactly the Columbia University faculty lounge, um found only seventy-seven instances of

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No, because it's low. You asked me if I was surprised by it or not. Mm-hmm.

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Are you disputing, are you disputing that the number is in the range of seventy-seven examples of non-U. S. citizens voting in U. S. elections?

59:03 – 59:04

I just said that number's low.

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You think that number is low. OK. Um, so why, if this is a meaningful issue, do we have no, and I guess I direct this to Director Gabbard, why is there no mention of this thing that will grind the American government to a halt for a two-week period, in the worldwide threats analysis?

59:21 – 59:40

Uh, this annual threat assessment was shaped around the national security strategies prioritization of threats uh to our our nation and our nation's interests. There are multiple platforms and venues where there have been and there will be reporting on threats to our uh foreign threats to our elections.

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I'll be back.

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Gentleman Yields, Vice Chairman Kelly.

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I'd first just like to say, Director Gabbard, um You being in Georgia was a part of your duties as D and I to make sure that our elections remain safe, secure, and free from every type of influence. Uh, that was why you were there. Is that correct?

1:00:02 – 1:00:03

Yes.

1:00:03 – 1:01:26

OK. I would argue, I I wanna talk about some of the points about the strikes on Iran, the current attacks, epic fury. And I would state that not only are there imminent threats from Iran, but there are actual threats. And I've been on the receiving end of those threats. I was in Iran in in Iraq in two thousand five, where Iranian-based and manned and equipped units attacked American soldiers, including me, multiple times. I will also tell you I went back in nine and ten where EFPs, developed by the Iranians, struck my soldiers and our equipment. I will tell you the Houthis have continued to strike Saudi Arabia. I will tell you Hamas and Hezbollah has continued to strike throughout the Middle East. And although we're not in an armed services hearing, we had that yesterday. But I will tell you because we took out their ballistic missiles, and their ability to defend from the air, that Europe is no longer under threat from Iran who showed they will strike everyone that they can by striking all of their Arab neighbors in Azerbaijan, in in Turkey and everywhere else. With that being said, Director Ratcliffe, I think the CIA has had a great year in providing i- uh intelligence, whether that's in Venezuela, the initial midnight hammer strikes, or also the current strikes in Iran. Can you tell us kind of some of the things the CIA has done over

1:01:29 – 1:04:02

Uh, Congressman, good to see you again. Thank you for the question. Good to see all of you and be back in back in the house. Um, uh, I guess I'll start by saying, um, uh, I think you all know there was bipartisan concern when I took over the CIA that, um, that our human collection was in a, in a downw- downward spiral and had been for some period of time. And you all wanted, um, a more aggressive CIA, one that was focused on core mission, one that was, uh, uh, collecting the kind of intelligence and stealing secrets that would provide a - a decisive strategic advantage, uh, that can contribute to national security and foreign policy successes. Um, uh, I do think that the CIA, I agree with you, has had - ha- has had a great year, uh, and that's a credit to our workforce. So you - you talked about some of the very, uh, public successes like, uh, Operation Midnight Hammer and Operation Absolute Resolve, where, um, our agency contributed to a frankly flawless intelligence picture that allowed for uh flawless military operations and I I want to credit everyone here. There's been bipartisan praise uh from uh this committee, even from those of you who may disagree with the underlying policies. But I think those successes are really um uh emblematic of success that the agency's had across the board um on all national security matters in all national security spaces. And it's not a just an opinion, it's reflected in in our statistics, so um when we talk about uh stealing secrets, you need assets and and uh sources on the ground around the world. We're up twenty-five percent in that regard just in the past year. Our foreign intelligence reporting, meaning the the intelligence that really matters to you as decision makers and the president as commander-in-chief, that's up across the board, twenty-five percent. Other categories, specific uh uh targets and uh adversaries like China, it's up a hundred percent. Areas like technology, it's up a hundred percent. Uh issues like counter-narcotics, our operations are up by seventy percent. With regard to counterterrorism, um those are classified numbers that we'll get into in the classified portion, but those are triple digits. We've accomplished more on the counterterrorism front in the past year than in the prior four years combined. Uh it it again, really a credit to uh the CIA workforce. Um, morale at the agency is high because people are doing the work that they signed up to do, and this administration is calling on them to do more. I would say they are

1:04:02 – 1:04:04

If I can steer back the final forty-five seconds,

1:04:02 – 1:04:03

tired but happy.

1:04:04 – 1:04:28

I have one question for Director Patel. Director Patel, the current shutdown that is caused by us not funding TSA, border control, DHS and all those things, how hard has that made the job of counterintelligence FBI to protect us here in the homeland? from threats that came through our borders or internally and already existing in the United States, Director Patel.

1:04:28 – 1:05:08

Uh, thank you for the question. When it comes specifically to the combination efforts between the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, we have fifty-nine Homeland Security task forces that we have stood up in every single state, and then some that are co-led by the FBI and HSI. And obviously having a stop gap in funding is hurting those abilities to go out there and fight crime and pick up violent offenders across the country. Um. Even though the DHS workforce shows up every day, I think they've gone one month without a paycheck now. We also have things like our southern border, uh, intelligence center in Tucson, Arizona, that is our hub for intelligence collection operations on foreign terrorist organizations. It, specifically the, uh, uh, the narco traffickers down in Mexico.

1:05:08 – 1:05:10

Thank you. My time's expired.

1:05:11 – 1:05:13

Uh, uh, Mr. Carson is recognized.

1:05:13 – 1:06:08

Thank you, Chairman. Uh, the Trump administration has justified this war with Iran as necessary to stop an imminent threat. But the administration has not provided this committee with any intelligence indicating Iran was preparing a nuclear weapon, planning a preemptive attack on the United States, or possess any immediate capability to strike the US homeland. That raises very serious questions about what the analysis of the IC provided before the decision to go to war was made. Uh, Directors Gabbard and Ratcliffe, is there any evidence that Iran intended to conduct a preemptive attack on the United States, and I ask this because thirteen service members have been killed in Trump's war, including Captain Seth Koval, a husband and a dad from my state of Indiana, and my constituents want answers. So is there any evidence that Iran intended to conduct a preemptive attack on the US prior to beginning this war, yes or no?

1:06:11 – 1:06:40

Uh, Congressman, uh, the answer to this question needs to be reserved for a closed hearing. Uh, I will say, however, the intelligence community, uh, does provide the assessments of the threats that exist, uh, to the president so that he can make that determination within the body of information and intelligence and activities within the region, uh, that ultimately he is responsible for what is an imminent threat and, and if there is an imminent threat, what actions need to be taken.

1:06:44 – 1:07:06

Congressman, um, uh, as the DNI said, there's a body of intelligence that we'll be able to cover in the in the classified portion of this hearing, um, that reflects, uh, that does reflect that in the likely event of a conflict between Iran and Israel, that, uh, the US would be immediately attacked, regardless of whether the United States stayed out of, uh, that conflict.

1:07:06 – 1:08:17

Shifting gears to, uh, ranking, uh, Member Haim's point. Let me read to you from the twenty twenty five annual threat assessment. under your watch last year. Uh, quote, Moscow's malign influence activities will continue for the foreseeable future and will almost certainly increase in sophistication and volume. Moscow probably believes information operations' efforts to influence US elections are advantageous, regardless of whether they affect election outcomes. By contrast, this year's threat assessment makes no mention of foreign threats to elections. Meanwhile, the IC has been publicly warning about foreign powers interfering in our elections for nearly a decade. So the omission is very striking. And to that point, sitting here today, I'm not aware of any intelligence products in the past year dedicated to foreign plans and intentions toward current and future US elections. Director Gabbard, yes or no, ma'am, have you directed or been directed to stop or limit dissemination of intelligence reports or finish intelligence reporting concerning foreign plans And intentions about upcoming US elections or foreign threats to the midterms?

1:08:17 – 1:08:18

No.

1:08:19 – 1:08:22

Director Patel, same question for the FBI, sir. Yes or no, sir?

1:08:22 – 1:08:23

No, sir.

1:08:23 – 1:08:26

Director Ratcliffe, same question for the CIA, sir. Yes or no?

1:08:26 – 1:08:27

No.

1:08:28 – 1:08:30

General Hartman, same question for NSA. Yes or no, sir?

1:08:31 – 1:08:31

No, sir.

1:08:32 – 1:08:34

General Adams, same question for the DIA. Yes or no, sir?

1:08:35 – 1:08:35

No, sir.

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I yield back, Chairman.

1:08:38 – 1:08:39

Gentleman yields, Miss Stephane.

1:08:40 – 1:09:01

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Director Gabbard, um, when you began your testimony, you stated that your remarks do not represent your personal beliefs. That's the first time I've heard that at a committee hearing. Why did you say that? Uh, or is there anything in the threat assessment that you personally disagree with?

1:09:02 – 1:09:53

Thank you for the question, Congresswoman, the reason I've said that is two-fold. Number one is When I uh assumed this role as Director of National Intelligence, through the confirmation process and beyond, uh many members of Congress rightly said, your personal views and your politics in this role get checked at the door. And as Director of National Intelligence, my responsibility is to report the intelligence community's assessments uh objectively and to make sure that they are not politicized in any way, shape or form. Unfortunately, there are those who uh uh, for one reason or another have tried to mischaracterize the intelligence community's assessments and saying, well, this is just a political view or, uh, trying to misdirect from what the intelligence community is reporting. So I took the opportunity to state that from the outset, that this is the intelligence community's assessments.

1:09:54 – 1:10:59

Thank you. I also wanted to ask this because this week there was a high profile resignation of uh Director of National Counterterrorism Center. Now, I wanna be clear from the outset. I've communicated directly with President Trump my support for Operation Epic Fury, and I was very, um, not only disappointed, but how inappropriate this letter was, and I want to read, uh, a statement that, um, a- and get your personal assessment whether you agree or disagree with that. And that's this. "Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America-first platform and pro-war sentiments to encourage a war with Iran. This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing that Iran posed no imminent threat to the United States, and that you should strike now. There was a clear path to a swift victory. This was a lie, and it is the same tactic the Israelis used to draw us into a disastrous Iraq war. Now, I cannot say how much I disagree with that statement. Do you agree or disagree with what this letter was put out by former Director Kent?

1:11:00 – 1:11:15

Uh, he said a lot of things in the that letter. Ultimately, we have provided the president with the intelligence assessments, and the president is, uh, elected by the American people and makes his own decisions based on the information that's available to him.

1:11:15 – 1:11:19

But do you agree with does that statement he made, blaming Israel, concern you?

1:11:20 – 1:11:20

Yes.

1:11:22 – 1:11:46

Uh, my next question is, I wanna touch on the rise of terrorist attacks on the homeland. of March alone. There were multiple high profile Islamic terrorist attacks. You had Temple Israel synagogue in Michigan. You had in Texas, you had an ISIS inspired attack where they threw an IED in New York City. What is your assessment as to the rise of Islamic terrorism on the homeland?

1:11:46 – 1:12:25

Uh, as you've pointed, con- pointed to, Congresswoman, this continues to be uh an extreme concern, not only because of the rise of these attacks, but the mechanisms uh they're carried out and the challenges that the intelligence community has in being able to try to detect some of these threats and attacks in advance. Um, I'd like to defer to the FBI director on some of this, uh, because they have been very successful in many cases over the last year in detecting them and preventing these attacks, uh, but due to the nature of, uh, the challenge in, in, in many of these attackers not having contact

1:12:33 – 1:12:51

And I wanna turn to Director Patel, I think that's a good important segue to get your assessment, and I also wanna add another aspect of the question. We're working on a nine eleven commission review, twenty five year review. What other tools do you need to make sure that we are able to have the most robust, effective CT efforts?

1:12:51 – 1:13:51

Yeah, thank you Congresswoman, just real quick. So last year we had three hundred arrests related to foreign terrorist organizations. We had seven hundred counterterrorism arrests. And the FBI had six hundred and forty counterterrorism disruptions, where we stopped attacks on the homeland. Uh, specifically in December we stopped four in an eighteen day span. What I need is, specifically highlighted in the Norfolk attack, in Norfolk an individual who was convicted of terrorism and sentenced based upon that conviction should have still been in prison. The Department of Justice in the first Trump administration sought a sentence of two hundred and forty months. The judge in that case downward departed and gave a variance to nearly half that sentence. If that had not occurred, that individual would still be in prison and a member of our uniformed military service would still be alive. I wanna work with the legislature to figure out how to increase the sentencing for convicted terrorists and also work on the denaturalization process for someone who should not be in this country who wants to attack and kill American citizens and American service members.

1:13:51 – 1:13:52

Thank you, yield back.

1:13:53 – 1:13:54

Gentlemen yields, Mister Castro.

1:13:55 – 1:15:51

Uh, thank you, thank you, Chairman, and thank you all for your testimony today. Uh, I wanna start with a question about Iran and discuss first how the war began. Um, Secretary Rubio told us that Israel was gonna strike Iran regardless and that doing so would have triggered Iranian retaliation against US forces already in the region. And Director Ratliff, you seemed to affirm that in comments just a few moments ago. So, rather than tell Israel to stand down, the president joined the war. The Congress and the American people still don't know what the president's actual goals are. And yet, we have lost thirteen US service members. But here's what we do know. The president has said that he wants a deal. He said Iran wants to make a deal and that he's not ready because, quote, " the terms aren't good enough yet." Yet, they just killed Ali Larijani, the de facto leader of Iran, who while not a friend of the United States, would have been the person to negotiate any agreement with. The president explicitly said that the United States did not strike Iran's energy infrastructure because in his words having to rebuild it, quote, "would take years." Yet this morning, Israel struck the South Pars gas field, the world's largest natural gas reserve, triggering Iranian attacks on Qatari gas facilities. Oil prices are up fifteen percent in the last twenty-four hours. In San Antonio, my hometown, where I represent, the cost of gas has gone up nearly forty percent in three weeks. Last night the president said that the United States knew nothing about the attack, and called on Israel to stop similar attacks on energy. Israel denies this and says that the attack was cleared by the United States. So, my question is, what does the intelligence community assess Israel's goals in this war, in this war to be? And are those goals aligned with the goals of the United States?

1:16:01 – 1:16:06

I'm thinking carefully here about what can be said in this open setting versus a closed setting. Um.

1:16:07 – 1:16:07

Are the goals aligned?

1:16:10 – 1:16:17

The objectives that have been laid out by the president are different from the objectives that have been laid out by the Israeli government.

1:16:18 – 1:16:19

And how do they differ?

1:16:20 – 1:16:38

Uh, we can see through the operations that the Israeli government has been focused on, uh, disabling the Iranian leadership, uh, and taking out several members, obviously beginning with the Ayatollah, the Supreme Leader. And they continue to focus on that effort.

1:16:38 – 1:16:40

And how does that differ from our goals?

1:16:40 – 1:16:57

Uh, the president has stated that his objectives are to, uh, destroy Iran's ballistic missile uh launching capability, their ballistic missile production capability, uh and their Navy, the IRGC Navy and mine laying capability.

1:16:59 – 1:17:14

So the the death and destruction continues, the economic cost to the United States, to Israel, to the Gulf States and to the world continues to increase. So I want to ask you, to the best of your knowledge, do you know whether Israel is supportive of the President's call to make a deal with Iran?

1:17:18 – 1:17:21

I don't know the answer to that. I don't know Israel's position on that.

1:17:23 – 1:17:31

And to what do you attribute Israel's decision to strike Iranian energy infrastructure despite President Trump's call to keep those facilities off limits?

1:17:33 – 1:17:34

I don't have an answer for that.

1:17:43 – 1:17:46

So they ignored the president, Do you agree with that?

1:17:48 – 1:18:10

I'm not privy to any of their deliberations or what went into their uh calculus in launching this or other attacks. I'm not we we are we are not involved with the in the operational element of this. We're providing continuously on a daily basis the intelligence assessments of the events that are occurring uh and

1:18:10 – 1:18:12

But I I guess uh I know the FBI can't,

1:18:11 – 1:18:12

the effects of that.

1:18:12 – 1:18:17

cuz their domestic But can anybody else at the table provide any insight into that?

1:18:22 – 1:18:27

I I guess I'm not sure what the question you're asking, uh, uh, Congressman Castro,

1:18:26 – 1:18:26

Well

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the, uh, the, I guess a couple of things. Uh, the goals that the president set out are clearly defined. The DNI, uh, related those. Uh, what was not included as a, a goal, uh, of the US camp- of the US campaign was,

1:18:38 – 1:18:41

Well, well, director, let me start with this. Let let me let me start with this question.

1:18:40 – 1:18:43

was not engaged in, in regime change.

1:18:42 – 1:18:43

You asked what my question is.

1:18:43 – 1:18:44

Which, which is

1:18:43 – 1:18:50

But let me, let me reclaim my time, director, come on. Um, do you know why Israel decided to strike that infrastructure

1:18:49 – 1:18:50

I, I, I wouldn't

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despite the fact that the president said it should be off limits?

1:18:54 – 1:18:58

I wouldn't, uh, I wouldn't speak for Israel, uh, and, uh

1:18:58 – 1:19:01

What do you guys know? We're at war, what do you guys know?

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We'll have to take that for the record.

1:19:03 – 1:19:05

Yes, let's take it for the record.

1:19:03 – 1:19:04

Mr. Lohut.

1:19:06 – 1:20:29

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wanna welcome the panelists here today. Um, today is March nineteenth. On April nineteenth, FISA goes dark. Seven O two goes dark. And it's been talked about many times, but up to sixty percent of the president's daily briefing is derived from FISA seven O two. And we look at the successes that we've had in protecting the homeland and also the conflicts the US has been involved with, the flawless operation in Venezuela, operation, uh, a fury in Iran, troop protection, uh, the successes we've had on the battlefield in Ukraine, um, the recovery and release of the Hamas hostages in the tunnels in Israel, all derived from FISA seven O two. There is not a, uh, military operation that we've been involved with where FISA seven O two was not as director Ratcliffe has said been indispensable to the United States and the protection of our country. Director Patel has also said FISA seven O two is indispensable. We're thirty days away from it going dark. Um, Director Radcliffe, can you clarify the president's position on an eighteen month clean reauthorization and how that's gonna proceed moving forward?

1:20:31 – 1:21:55

Uh, Congressman, thank you and thank you for uh highlighting this issue. So the president is in favor of uh an eighteen month clean reauthor clean reauthorization of FISA seven O two. And I would uh add to that uh I'm heartened by the fact to to hear that the chairman of this committee and the ranking member are in agreement with that. And I know there's bipartisan uh support for that and and there should be. And I know this is uh uh an important vote for you to take, but I would ask that that you all consider when you do that, that um when you look at the fact that former DNI's and former CIA directors former FBI directors and DIA directors, uh, and NSA directors across Republican and Democrat administrations, uh, are in support of FISA seven O two in its current form. These are the people that are making the decisions, uh, to keep Americans safe. And so I wish the reauthorization was longer than eighteen months, Congressman. I think that this is something that I wish you all would consider, uh, for longer than that. uh, so that regardless of who the president is, who the president is in the future, he or she would have the benefit of, as you said, uh, a tool that's indispensable, um, across administrations provides more than half of the important actionable intelligence that the president and the commander-in-chief, uh, relies upon.

1:21:55 – 1:22:01

Thank you for that. Uh, Director Gabert, you're supportive of the eighteen month extension the president's seeking without a warrant requirement?

1:22:02 – 1:22:06

That is the president's position and that is the position of the intelligence community.

1:22:06 – 1:22:08

And you will be supporting that, correct?

1:22:08 – 1:22:11

I will support the president's decision to execute this.

1:22:11 – 1:23:04

Correct. Thank you. Um, Director Gabert, um, we implemented two years ago a number of reforms, actually fifty-six of them, that were part of the Reforming Intelligence and Securing America Act, RISA. And that was done in a bipartisan way. That was a reflection of, uh, what we thought were problems with FISA seven O two. going back during the first Trump administration and even before that. These reforms that have been input, put in place, and uh that you have helped implement, I'm wondering if you could talk specifically about those reforms, on the cutting down of FBI agents having access to querying of FISA information, uh the fact that uh there are criminal penalties now for FBI agents that are engaged in uh inappropriate activity as it relates to FISA. Please tell us some of those reforms and how those have been implemented. Director Patel.

1:23:06 – 1:24:14

Sorry, I thought you were asking, Director D and I. Um, absolutely. So we've gone above and beyond what RISA requires since uh I became director thirteen months ago. Um, we not only um require supervisory special agents to um approve the query request of US persons, we also require the general counsel's office and lawyers to come in and agree with that request before we can proceed. Also, we have a we used to, before this, had a default which allowed queries when we were utilizing our system to say, it automatically searches seven O two. You now have to actually opt in and select that box to make sure that you are intentionally doing so. On top of that, we've reduced the number of personnel at the FBI from sixty-six hundred before I got there, to thirty-five hundred that have access to it, not that use it, but that have access to it. And we've also gone above and beyond what what RISR requires in terms of if you misuse it, unintentionally or recklessly, if you use it unintentionally misuse it unintentionally, like you typed a name wrong in terms of spelling or whatnot, you have to your access is suspended and be retrained. If you recklessly use it, you're immediately terminated your access forever.

1:24:15 – 1:24:18

Thank you. Um, mister Crow.

1:24:19 – 1:24:31

Thank you, Chairman. Director Gabbard, uh, it is your job and the job of your agency, Department to assess the views of Iranian leadership, their policy beliefs and uh policy positions, correct?

1:24:31 – 1:24:32

Yes.

1:24:32 – 1:24:36

Uh that includes now deceased Ali Komaneh of Iran, correct?

1:24:36 – 1:24:37

Yes.

1:24:37 – 1:24:41

And is now uh the now leader, his son Mujtaba Komaneh, correct?

1:24:41 – 1:24:41

Yes.

1:24:41 – 1:24:46

The son is considered more of a hardliner than his father, uh isn't that correct?

1:24:47 – 1:24:48

Yes.

1:24:48 – 1:24:53

Uh so hardline that even some of Iran's leaders thought he was too aggressive, isn't that correct?

1:24:53 – 1:24:55

That is the intelligence community assessment, yes.

1:24:56 – 1:25:02

Mushtaba, the son, is particularly close to the brutal Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and their most hard-line commanders, correct?

1:25:03 – 1:25:04

That is the intelligence community assessment.

1:25:05 – 1:25:10

He was involved in ordering violent crackdowns on Iranian protesters including their murder, correct?

1:25:10 – 1:25:10

Yes.

1:25:11 – 1:25:16

Uh, and we don't know if the son will continue his father's religious ban on developing nuclear weapons, is that correct?

1:25:16 – 1:25:17

It is unknown at this time.

1:25:17 – 1:25:29

Uh, you testified before this committee last year uh that the elder now deceased uh, Komene, uh, had in two thousand three banned the nuclear weapons program, or suspended it, correct?

1:25:29 – 1:25:31

There was a fatwa in place that stated that.

1:25:32 – 1:25:36

And that fatwa remained in place last year when you testified b- before this committee, correct?

1:25:36 – 1:25:36

Yes.

1:25:36 – 1:25:40

And that fatwa remained in place, uh, um, recently, correct?

1:25:40 – 1:25:43

Uh, as far as I know, it has not been lifted.

1:25:43 – 1:25:46

Yeah, you're - you're aware of no information that would lift that fatwa.

1:25:47 – 1:26:09

I'm not aware of any intelligence reporting that states that. To to be clear on on the uh, Mojtaba, the son who has been named to replace him, uh, it is unclear of his status or his involvement. Uh, he was injured very severely through one of the Israeli strikes. Uh, and so the decision-making uh, is is unclear about what's happening in the Iranian leadership.

1:26:09 – 1:26:16

So it so it's unclear. So we're less certain of the positions of Iranian leadership and their intentions than we were sixty days ago, correct?

1:26:17 – 1:26:18

That's an accurate assessment.

1:26:19 – 1:26:27

One of your jobs is to uh create products assessing uh uh Iran and the threats it poses to the United States, correct?

1:26:28 – 1:26:28

Yes.

1:26:28 – 1:26:33

And that includes potential outcomes uh for military action, correct?

1:26:34 – 1:26:38

Uh, it includes potential outcomes of a variety of scenarios.

1:26:38 – 1:26:41

Like uh in the likelihood of those outcomes.

1:26:42 – 1:26:42

Yes.

1:26:43 – 1:26:53

Generally, when you make assessments about threats facing the United States, you will look at uh in Iran in any instance the likely scenarios that'll come out of military action, correct?

1:26:54 – 1:26:59

The intelligence community takes all of those factors into account when they create these assessments.

1:26:59 – 1:27:06

Uh, when you look at the threats posed by foreign countries, you also assess timelines to those threats, correct?

1:27:07 – 1:27:09

Uh, what what do you mean by timelines?

1:27:09 – 1:27:13

Like a breakout time, for example, for nuclear weapons or the development of ballistic missiles.

1:27:14 – 1:27:16

Yes, based on the information available at any given time.

1:27:16 – 1:27:17

In the timeline also.

1:27:22 – 1:27:26

Uh, broadly, yes. Assesses all all matters available to do that.

1:27:23 – 1:27:31

It is it is common practice for the IC to assess the timeline of all threats. Nuclear weapons development, ballistic, right?

1:27:31 – 1:27:31

Yes.

1:27:32 – 1:27:33

Ballistic weapons development.

1:27:34 – 1:27:36

Based on the information available, yes.

1:27:36 – 1:27:37

Terrorist attacks.

1:27:38 – 1:27:39

Same applies.

1:27:39 – 1:27:43

Cyber attacks. Timelines for all of those, correct?

1:27:44 – 1:27:46

When there is information available that point to that, yes.

1:27:47 – 1:27:50

Uh, in likelihood, uh, as well as the time line, correct?

1:27:51 – 1:27:52

Based on the information available.

1:27:52 – 1:27:54

Timing is important, is it not?

1:27:56 – 1:27:59

It is a - an important factor that goes into the assessment.

1:27:59 – 1:28:11

Uh, so i- it is your position sitting here today that you - you made no time line determination as to threats that Iran uh had facing the United States, correct?

1:28:13 – 1:28:20

That's a very broad statement, but where the information available, the the intelligence community factors that into their assessment products.

1:28:19 – 1:28:29

Did you or the IC make any assessments as to the timing of potential threats facing the United States from Iran in the last ninety days?

1:28:31 – 1:28:37

Uh, I'm sure there was uh timelines factored into the intelligence assessments that were that were delivered.

1:28:37 – 1:28:38

Did any of them show imminence?

1:28:39 – 1:28:48

Uh, the imminent nature of a threat is provide is is determined by the president based on a totality of the intelligence and information provided to him.

1:28:48 – 1:28:54

Did any of them show that there were attacks anticipated within the next ninety days from Iran?

1:28:54 – 1:29:00

I- it's too simplistic of a statement to say that because it depends on various scenarios occurring or not occurring.

1:29:01 – 1:29:07

Did those assessments show timelines for the threats that Iran posed to the United States?

1:29:08 – 1:29:11

The totality of threats? Yes, there were timelines involved.

1:29:21 – 1:29:28

The bot- the bottom line is there is no imminent threat and you know that, and there's no product that shows that. I yield back.

1:29:29 – 1:29:30

Mister Fitzpatrick.

1:29:30 – 1:31:39

Thank you, Mister Chairman. Thank you all for being here today. I wanna uh expand on the questioning from my colleague, Mister LaHood, uh regarding FISA seven O two. Obviously it is the imminent issue right before us. Uh, will expire in a month, uh unequivocally the most critical national security tool our nation has to keep us safe from fentanyl from foreign wars, uh and everything in between. Um, mainly to, you know, to direct Iraq, but any of you can answer this. One of the most perplexing debates that I've been subject to in my time here is this debate over what warrants are and when they're needed. In the two hundred and fifty year history of this country, And going back to the very origins of law enforcement, we have always had a warrant requirement, always had a warrant requirement on the collection of evidence. We have never had a warrant requirement on the querying of already lawfully collected data which is why we don't require police officers to get warrants when they run license plates querying off of already lawfully collected DOT data. It's why we don't require police officers to get a warrant to enter the evidence locker in their police precincts, which contains already lawfully collected data, it would literally shut down the system. And that's not a warrant requirement, that's a secondary warrant requirement. That's a warrant requirement on steroids. So, Director Ratcliffe or any of you, I know you've been subject to these questions as well. Is it just a a confusion over the the the difference between the collection of evidence versus the querying of our already lawfully collected data? Is it is it a lack of understanding of what incidental collection is, which is a fundamental precept of law enforcement? But if we have a warrant requirement on steroids, for now the querying of already lawfully collected data, just by the numbers, that would require an expansion of the federal judiciary by a factor of a hundred. It would literally shut down our law enforcement apparatus at perhaps the most dangerous time in our nation's history. So, Director Adcliffe or any of you, if you could just walk me through your analysis there.

1:31:39 – 1:33:35

Well, I'll I'll start. Uh, Congressman, thanks for the question. Again, uh, thanks for highlighting this, uh, important issue. And, uh, as has been pointed out, um, uh, reforms should be implemented where they're necessary. And I think, uh, speaking for myself, and I know Director Patel supported the reforms from two years ago, uh, to to make improvements. Uh, and they did. And so some reforms, uh, should be considered. A warrant isn't one of them. Um, and - and with ref- with - with respect to the reforms that have b- been implemented, we're talking about - when we talk about Fourth Amendment rights and - and privacy concerns, um, we're at a ninety-nine point nine percent compliance rate with respect to that. So I would - I would start by saying, w- why are you trying to fix what's not broken with um, with something that I can tell you from from this seat, the fix, uh, would not work. And I go back to my comment before, DNI's, CIA directors, FBI directors, the people that have been in all of these chairs before on a bipartisan basis agree that a warrant won't work and don't advocate for it. Um, you're, again, uh, Congressman, you're correct. This is lawfully collected information. And - and we have - these things come at you very fast, and you have to make decisions very quickly and sometimes in a matter of hours. Um, uh, you have to act on the information that you have lawfully - uh, you know, that has been lawfully collected to interdict drug shipments or terrorist activities, and a warrant requiring you to go to the court to seek probable cause, uh, for information that has already been lawfully collected only prevents that from happening. I I don't understand I I I understand that it's well-meaning for people that are proposing it, but again I would defer to the people who sit in these chairs uh and make these decisions who would tell you that it doesn't work.

1:33:36 – 1:33:38

Anybody else wanna comment on the warrant requirement?

1:33:38 – 1:34:37

So, Congressman, I'd love to comment uh thanks thanks for the question. Uh I do just wanna add a couple points, agree with everything Director Radcliffe said. Y- you know, not only is this already uh collected data, on foreign personnel outside of the United States. But the data that is being queried has also already been analyzed to ensure that it contains foreign intelligence value, which I think is a very important part of this. And then when we query a US person term, we're not querying for US person information. We're querying for foreign intelligence that has already been evaluated at least once to contain foreign intelligence. in in the database it's being accessed. And then the the the final piece that I think is important is that both the FISC, uh, and the Department of Justice have established robust legal and compliance rules that we adhere to and that is audited, uh, by DOJ for every query that we make.

1:34:37 – 1:34:39

Thank you. Uh, you're back. Doctor Barra.

1:34:40 – 1:36:34

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, Director Gabler, we've known each other for a long time. We were both elected to Congress in twenty twelve and served together for a while. I may not have always agreed with your positions, but I respected the consistency of some of your positions. Director Gabbard, following the January third, twenty twenty s- drone strike that killed Qasem Soleimani, you gave a speech on the House floor six days later, on January ninth, twenty twenty. In this speech, that is firmly in the congressional record and available for anyone to view, you stated, quote, President Trump has committed an illegal and unconstitutional act of war, pushing our nation headlong into a war with Iran without any authorization from Congress, a war that would be so costly and devastating, it would make our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic. On February twenty eighth, twenty twenty six, the Trump administration, under which you are the president's principal intelligence advisor launched an illegal and unconstitutional act of war, pushing our nation headlong into a war with Iran without any authorization from Congress. This war has already been costly and devastating. Thirteen American service members have lost their lives, including Chief Warrant Officer Robert Marzen from my home of Sacramento, California. And approximately two hundred service members have been wounded. The Pentagon reported that the first six days of Operation Epic Fury cost eleven point three billion dollars. That averages almost two billion dollars per day. That was the first six days, and now we're in the nineteenth day of this war, that's ballooned into a regional conflict, putting the lives of Americans and our allies throughout the Middle East in danger. Director Gabbard, do you still believe that strikes against Iran that don't have congressional authorization constitute an illegal and unconstitutional act of war?

1:36:35 – 1:36:49

Uh, Congressman, thank you for the question. Um, the cost of war uh weighs very heavily uh upon me and and uh my colleagues here, uh especially for those of us who have experienced and seen the cost of war firsthand.

1:36:50 – 1:36:50

OK.

1:36:50 – 1:37:07

Uh my own personal and political views, as I mentioned earlier, uh I was asked and required by Congress and by the President uh in this role as the Director of National Intelligence, to check those views at the door to ensure that the intelligence assessments are

1:37:05 – 1:37:05

OK.

1:37:08 – 1:37:10

colored by my personal views.

1:37:10 – 1:37:11

Director Gabbard,

1:37:10 – 1:37:13

And that's exactly what I am responsible to deliver.

1:37:12 – 1:37:18

do you still believe the war with Iran would be so costly and devastating that it would make our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic?

1:37:17 – 1:37:31

Yeah. Once again, in this role, uh, it is essential that I do not allow any of my personal views on any issues to color or bias the intelligence reporting that we deliver to you and to the president.

1:37:32 – 1:38:34

Director Gabbard, um, in this hearing one year ago, Um, I asked some questions, um, and I'll paraphrase, um, my exact question. It's like, we should keep politics out of this. Even if the president disagrees, um, with a directive, if it goes against his personal wishes, if he's considering an order that potentially is unconstitutional or illegal, or compromises our security, I want your word that we will, you will always provide and give the honest advice to the president, even if it will make him angry. I asked you that question I'm gonna read your answer, um. And to your specific question, the answer is yes. I will inform the president of that accurate, timely, unbiased intelligence reporting, whether it is something that agrees with an assumption or a view or an objective or not. That's my responsibility to him and to the American people. Director Gabbard, did you There is no imminent threat of nuclear breakout. Did you deliver that assessment to the president?

1:38:35 – 1:38:39

I have delivered the intelligence community's assessments to the president.

1:38:39 – 1:39:13

There was no imminent nuclear threat to the United States. There was no evidence of imminence that Iran was going to attack American assets. That was different from anything they've done over four decades. That was gonna attack our homeland. Um, there was no imminent threat. Imminent is defined in the dictionary as something that is about to happen. Not something that's been happening for four decades, not something that is gonna happen three months from now, not something that's gonna happen a year from now. Eminence said this is about to happen. Did you deliver that assessment to the president?

1:39:14 – 1:39:26

I delivered the intelligence community's objective analysis of the threats, the severity of those threats, and the scope, along with assessments of the different scenarios and context that exist within the Middle East.

1:39:27 – 1:39:44

The p- the president owes it to the American people to go on television, to explain to the American people, to the service members who have died in action serving our country, why we are at war with Iran. He needs to go on television and explain that directly to the American people what the imminent threat was.

1:39:47 – 1:40:07

Gentlemen, this time has expired. I would advise uh um members that a vote has been called. It's a single vote. And if members wanna shuttle back and forth so we can maintain the continuity of the hearing we'll do that. So if you start to see it, just to our witnesses, you know how this works. uh they'll be moving in and out to go address that vote and then returning to their seat but um, at this time I recognize Mister Scott.

1:40:08 – 1:41:30

Thank you Mister Chairman. Mister Chairman, for the record I would like to submit an article from Politico dated February twenty fourth, twenty twenty six, and the title of it is " Ahead of State of the Union, Dems Demand Trump Make Iran Plans Public". Um, I think most Americans understand that if the President of the United States makes those plans public then the enemies get to see them as well uh and that was the date of the stay of the union director patel i'm gonna come to you very quickly and then i'm gonna move on but i i i listened closely to um senator langford's testimony yesterday about fraud and and and the other things that are going on and i wanna bring your attention um this was in march twenty fifth of twenty twenty four an unsuspecting uber driver named to Londa Hall, drove to a house near Columbus, Ohio to pick up a packet. She had no idea that the eighty-one year old man who lived there had just received a ser- a series of phone calls from scammers who had threatened to kill him if he did not give the woman coming to his house twelve thousand dollars in cash. He killed the lady, so she's dead. He now has a life sentence. Are you aware of any action or investigation that the Justice Department has taken to pursue justice to bring the scammers and put them and make them pay for what they did.

1:41:31 – 1:41:36

I think you're referring to congressman scam centers and scam compounds that are wreaking havoc on our citizens.

1:41:36 – 1:41:38

I'm referring to this individual case.

1:41:36 – 1:41:36

Uh

1:41:38 – 1:41:40

This lady was murdered and a man now has life in prison.

1:41:41 – 1:41:45

I can't speak to that individual case. I can tell you what we're doing generally if you wish, but I, as you said

1:41:45 – 1:42:27

No, no, sir. I wanna bring that case to your attention. I think that we need to pursue that. Someone is dead and someone else has life in prison. Um, and it was the scammers that did it. They, the, my heart goes out to both families, but, but the scammers are the ones that need to pay the price. They're the guilty party here. Uh, Director Gabbard, you made a lot of changes at ODNI, changes that I think were necessary, that I wanna give you the chance to talk about. So what concrete steps in ODNI two point O, what are you taking, what are they taking to address politicization, weaponization of intelligence, and unauthorized leaks, and how will these reforms help rebuild public trust in the intelligence community and help the United States of America.

1:42:27 – 1:44:17

Thank you very much for the question, Congressman. Uh, I committed to all of you before taking this role that I would execute on that, to bring back ODNI's focus on its core mission, uh, to cut the fat, to cut away any detractions away from that, uh, and to ensure that our intelligence community was providing objective, timely, and relevant intelligence to the president and to policymakers. Uh, I conducted a ground-based review of uh the mission, the capabilities, and measuring effectiveness of ODNI uh which resulted in a reduction of force by roughly forty percent and a narrowing of focus and reorganization that consolidated and coordinated the experts within the uh ODNI um in order to be able to deliver those effects. Uh leaking continues to be a prolific problem across the IC. We have and continue to implement uh tools and capabilities uh within the zero trust framework to be able to get after uh those leakers and refer them to the Department of Justice for investigation uh and prosecution. Uh we've seen uh we we are continuing to focus on the issue of analytic tradecraft and the integrity of it, once again to make sure that the an- analysis that's being conducted is not being colored by anyone's political or personal views. on any issue. Uh, to that effect, we have and continue to conduct investi- uh, re-looks at different intelligence products that have been provided in the past, as the chairman mentioned, one related to anomalous health incidents, to identify um politicization of these products in the past, uh, and also make updates to intelligence community directives to ensure that these things don't happen again.

1:44:17 – 1:44:23

Could you speak briefly to uh China's presence in the Carib Caribbean and the Western Hemisphere.

1:44:25 – 1:44:29

Uh, I'll be able to speak to this more, uh, in the classified settings,

1:44:27 – 1:44:28

OK.

1:44:29 – 1:44:29

sir.

1:44:29 – 1:44:49

OK. Right, right, Cliff. I'm gonna have questions for you there as well. Um, we do not, we have not heard much about Haiti lately in the news, but it's very close to the United States. My understanding is that one in four Haitians, about two and a half million people now live in an area controlled by an armed group. Uh, can you speak to what is happening in Haiti?

1:44:49 – 1:45:18

Uh, yes, sir. This was something that, uh, uh, we talked about within the annual threat assessment. Uh, Haiti along with Cuba continue to be areas of, of volatility. Haiti, as you mentioned specifically, uh, is being controlled by a gang and we've seen increasing threats on US persons within Haiti. Uh, these two countries continue to create challenges where with increased instability may be one of those drivers of, uh, increased migration flows to the US.

1:45:19 – 1:45:20

Thank you all for your service.

1:45:22 – 1:45:24

Gentlemen, his time's expired, now recognize Mister Gottheimer.

1:45:25 – 1:45:46

Thank you, Ma- thank you very much, Mister Chairman. Uh If I can start, uh, by talking about, uh, something I was disappointed in from the administration, about comments made by members of, of the administration that Israel drew the United States into conflict with Iran, seeming to buy conspiracy theories that scapegoat Israel, while dismissing that Iran poses a persistent threat to America.

1:46:09 – 1:46:14

Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:46:15 – 1:46:18

Has Iran plotted assassination attempts against Americans on American soil?

1:46:19 – 1:46:19

Yes.

1:46:20 – 1:46:26

Was Iran developing a nuclear weapon prior to our military action last June? And did Iran remain committed to developing a nuclear weapon in the lead up to this conflict?

1:46:27 – 1:46:35

Yeah, so I want to clarify on that, uh, because there's been much talk about ab- about a fatwa uh against the development of a nuclear weapon.

1:46:35 – 1:46:36

Can you come back to that one second? Let me finish with you.

1:46:36 – 1:46:37

Yeah, you bet.

1:46:36 – 1:46:42

Isn't that OK? If left unchecked, do you think Iran would have the ability to develop missiles capable of reaching the United States?

1:46:41 – 1:46:42

Yes.

1:46:43 – 1:46:46

Did Israel force the US's hand and make us take action as some have claimed?

1:46:46 – 1:46:47

No.

1:46:47 – 1:46:51

Director Gabbard, do you agree with the CIA's director assessment on that last question in particular?

1:46:51 – 1:46:51

Yes.

1:46:52 – 1:46:54

Great. Do you wanna go back to that point you wanted to make?

1:46:54 – 1:47:19

Yeah, much had been made by some about a a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons. Uh, uh, notwithstanding the fatwa, what uh, what we know, and the intelligence community is in agreement on this, is that Iran possesses at least uh four hundred and forty kilograms of uranium enriched to weapons grade sixty percent, which doesn't have a civilian use. The only use for that would be the development of nuclear weapons.

1:47:19 – 1:48:10

Thank you, Director. Uh, Director Gabbert, I wanna raise serious concerns about your recent hiring of Dan Caldwell, a strict critic of US foreign policy in the Middle East, who's argued that US forces in the Middle East are, quote, more of a burden than a benefit, has claimed that Iran's nuclear program does not pose a risk to America, despite the IC's assessment to the contrary. Uh, Dan has also said that our relationship with Israel has no benefit to American national security. This follows the resignation of Joe Kent this week, a senior ally of yours who is a conspiracy theorizing white supremacist with a tattoo panzer-referring to Nazi tanks. He has made known his backwards opinions of Israel in his resignation letter, scapegoating them for US intervention in Iran and Iraq. Director, what role do you anticipate Mister Caldwell playing in shaping intelligence assessments or internal discussions, related to Iran and Israel, and can you guarantee to this committee that no individuals in your leadership are undermining the objectivity objectivity? uh, of intelligence at this critical moment.

1:48:12 – 1:48:25

Uh, sir, my understanding is one of my elements sought to hire Dan Caldwell months ago, for a purely administrative role that would not have any position over the intelligence analysis uh or assessments on any topic.

1:48:27 – 1:48:57

Thank you. Director, as you know, the Iranian regime has been responsible for the deaths that we've talked about of scores of Americans since coming to power in seventy nine. Iran and its terror proxies must be crushed. I've been clear on that point in the last weeks and throughout my time in Congress. I supported the decisive action taken on February twenty eighth to remove key regime leaders and degrade Iran's ballistic missile and naval capabilities. However, I think it's really important the administration make its goals clear to Congress and to the American people. Director, were you in a meeting to discuss a possible strike on Iran?

1:49:00 – 1:49:06

Uh, Congressman, there were several meetings that were held uh in advance. I'm sure I was in at least some of them.

1:49:07 – 1:49:16

Did the intelligence community brief the president on the potential impacts the conflict could have on global supply chains and on oil and gas prices, prior to the outbreak of hostilities?

1:49:17 – 1:49:18

Uh,

1:49:19 – 1:49:19

Were you in a meeting,

1:49:19 – 1:49:19

yes.

1:49:19 – 1:49:21

were you in any meetings where where that came up?

1:49:21 – 1:49:25

Yes, that that that is the intelligence community's assessments and those were provided.

1:49:26 – 1:49:35

Director, did the IC, Director Radcliffe, if I can ask this to you, did the IC brief the president on who would succeed the Supreme Leader, if he was killed, and the likelihood that a replacement would be a hardliner?

1:49:37 – 1:49:40

Was the president, say it again, was the president

1:49:39 – 1:49:47

Did the IC brief the president on who would succeed the Supreme Leader if he was killed and the likelihood that a replacement would be a hardliner or could be a hardliner?

1:49:48 – 1:50:03

So, to be clear, uh, the, the president's objectives with respect to Operation Epic Fury, uh, did not include regime change. That may be different from what I- Israel's objectives were, but you can, but yes, the president was briefed in the event that, uh, Supreme Leader

1:50:02 – 1:50:15

I got it, that's good. That's great. Thank you so much. I'm sorry to cut you off. I just have twenty seconds. Director Patel, does Iran pose a threat to the homeland and what specific steps are you taking to detect, prevent detect, prevent and disrupt terrorist plots targeting Americans at home?

1:50:15 – 1:50:32

Iran is the world's largest state sponsor of terror, does pose a continuing threat to the homeland. And just last year, um, our Iran threat mission center housed in the FBI, our fusion cell, um, saw a forty-three percent increase in Iranian spy actors willing to steal our information and attack our citizens. So that's just one example, sir.

1:50:32 – 1:50:35

Thank you, I yield. Doctor Jackson.

1:50:38 – 1:51:41

Good morning. Um, first off I wanna say thank you all for your for your time today, and thank you for our service to our country, much appreciated. Um, I uh, I think the Chairman for his opening remarks on anonymous uh anon anomalous health incidents, AHI, um, as many of you are aware, one of my primary responsibilities in this uh particular committee I am the uh subcommittee chairman of oversight investigations, where the investigation of AHI i- is and has been a central oversight effort. So I am gonna ask a quick question about this. Uh, Director Ratcliffe, um, during the Biden administration, the CIA very poorly, in my opinion, handled this issue. Since then, a CIA doctor has provided perjured testimony under oath and obstructed our congressional investigation. A quick question for you. Do you affirm that the CIA personnel are under no direction to make false statements to Congress in order to conceal CIA equities or activities related to the handling of AHI during the Biden administration?

1:51:41 – 1:51:42

Yes.

1:51:42 – 1:52:40

Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Uh, I wanna ask uh, Mr. Patel, I got a question for you here. As a uh, as a member of this committee, I also have a regional responsibility that includes Africa. Uh, I'm very concerned about the radical Islamic terror threat that exists there and is growing by the day. Whether it's Al Qaeda affiliated groups such as JNMI, AQIM, Al Shabaab, or ISIS inspired groups such as ISIS West Africa, ISIS Shehel, ISIS Somalia, or Boko Haram. These are radical dangerous groups that wanna kill Americans. After four years of an open border during the Biden administration, where we know countless individuals with terror ties, many to these groups cross our southern border, and at a time when we are actively engaged with the largest state sponsor of radical jihadi terror, can you confirm that the threat to the American people in this setting is much higher due to the Democrats' current defunding of the Department of Homeland Security?

1:52:41 – 1:52:57

Yeah, as I highlighted earlier, Congressman, um, the FBI works hand in glove with the Department of Homeland Security and our fifty-nine established Homeland Security task forces around the country. And those officers are now going one month without pay, but they're still showing up to work. But yes, funding would absolutely help us protect the homeland.

1:52:58 – 1:53:47

Thank you, I appreciate that. Um, one more question. Anyone uh that feels inclined can answer this. Uh, but uh, according to the Council on Foreign Relations, another Africa-related question, fifty-one percent of global terrorism-related deaths occurred in Africa's Shahel region, including the Lake Chad Basin. Does the intelligence community assess that Boko Aram, ISIS West Africa, and other terrorist groups operating in the Lake Chad Basin are a threat to the US interests whether it's here in the homeland or uh regional US interest. If so, how does this lack of counterterrorism cooperation that we're currently experiencing with the allied states of the Shihel Niger, Mali and Burkina Faso impact that? And tied to that, um how does the rise of alternative security forces such as Russia's Wagner group or now Africa Corps, uh how has that impacted our counterterrorism efforts in the region?

1:53:51 – 1:54:54

Congressman, the continued rise of these Islamist terrorist groups, as you've pointed out, in Africa, West Africa and around the world continues to be a serious concern and major focus of the intelligence community. Uh, the challenges within the region are very complex because they have to do with governance challenges in many of these countries um they have to do with economic challenges as well as external influences uh both with funding and equipping of these, uh, terrorist organizations. So, yes, Uh, it has made our counterterrorism, long-standing counterterrorism efforts in these regions as well as those of our allies in this fight, such as the French and other countries, uh, far more difficult because of the, uh, very real threat within that region, uh, to US persons. Uh, if we are not able, if the US, uh, if the Department of War is not able to coordinate with and get the support of the governments of these countries in order to tackle this terrorist threat, then it's not a it's not a safe or operable environment uh for them to continue that fight.

1:54:54 – 1:55:11

Thank you, and and uh the assumption I'm working off of too is that uh the Russian influence, the VN Wagner or Africa Corps has made uh th- it very difficult for us to develop those relationships and get those agreements so that we can uh continue to um, you know, make sure that we're not br- this is not being brought home to the homeland. Is that correct?

1:55:11 – 1:55:13

Uh that is a factor of many.

1:55:13 – 1:55:15

Thank you. I appreciate it. I yield back.

1:55:16 – 1:55:17

Um, Ms. Houlihan.

1:55:21 – 1:55:53

Thank you. Um, my question is uh basically starting with some HR questions and they're for first for Director Patel. Um, if you could help me a little bit understand, I come out of the military military family as well, um but I don't know very much about the FBI's HR process or the uh growing up of an FBI uh expert could you help me understand how long it takes for a senior counterintelligence especially that w- one may be focused on a very narrow threat to be developed. How many years, I guess, would be my question.

1:55:54 – 1:56:04

Uh thank you, Congresswoman. That varies. Sometimes right out of Quantico, uh new agent trainees are placed on the counterintelligence mission set, and some people come in from the fraud section, so the answer varies. It could take a couple months to a couple years.

1:56:05 – 1:56:23

And the n- uh next question is, when a person comes up in your system in the military, it was always the needs of the Navy or the needs of the Air Force. It was never the needs of the airman or the or the or the soldier or the sailor. in terms of prioritizing our readiness, in terms of making sure that we have uh met the mission. Is the FBI similar?

1:56:24 – 1:56:34

It is similar ma'am. It's a dynamic threat landscape, so we've flux and surge based on the CI CT cyber threats and other threats to the homeland, and violent crime mission um has seen a surge as well.

1:56:34 – 1:56:45

So my specific question is that there was a report that came out in uh February uh from CNN that the FBI had let go or fired dozens of agents and staff members from a counterintelligence unit.

1:57:11 – 1:57:13

I'm aware of that and I know there's a pendency of litigation,

1:57:13 – 1:57:13

Mm. Mm.

1:57:13 – 1:57:15

so I'm not able to comment on them.

1:57:16 – 1:57:18

Did you yourself order those firings?

1:57:19 – 1:57:38

The FBI, every time there is someone who violates their code of conduct or ethical standard conducts an internal investigation with the careers there, and they present a decision point to me. The Iranian threat mission center has seen an increase of forty-three percent in arrests for Iranian spy actors. So the Iranian threat mission center has never been stronger.

1:57:38 – 1:57:52

So I'm not asking about I'm asking about whether there was people were fired because they were involved in the investigation of the document handling by by President Trump not for any behavior issues. Is that your understanding as well?

1:57:52 – 1:57:55

Again, ma'am, I can't comment on that because those are in pending litigation.

1:57:58 – 1:58:36

I guess I'm a little stymied here, Director, because it feels as though right literally when there was a possible pending war, I'm outside of this uh intelligence circle uh in s- in many ways even though I serve on the intelligence committee. You collectively must have been aware when these firings happened that there was a meaningful chance that the US might be engaged with a war in Iran and having these very expert, super qualified folks uh summarily dismissed at this time, it just feels like an odd choice in timing. Were you aware at the time that this was going down, that this may uh end up weakening the mission and the readiness of that group?

1:58:37 – 1:58:54

The mission, as I stated, has never been stronger when you see a forty-three percent increase in counterintelligence arrests. and twenty-one uh percent increase in cyber arrest against the Iranian threat mission center. My focus is on providing the American people the strongest FBI as possible. I don't work on timelines, I work on pr- evidence that's presented to me.

1:58:54 – 1:59:45

I guess my concern is that it feels as though, and I very much honor the the tone and tenor of this hearing that this is about making sure that um that we de-politicize um what is the most important thing that we all do, which is keep us safe. And it feels as though this issue is a political issue, and I just am worried that we are taking really good, really qualified people and picking fights with one another across across um party lines, wa- rather than making sure that we protect ourselves and keep ourselves safe. Uh with the remainder of my time, Director Gabbard, I have a question regarding the fact that the secretary of the treasury loosened restrictions this week on Russian oil exports, uh and now with the Russians are able to sell oil again. Uh, did the IC uh assess that clearing the way for increased Russian oil sales would benefit Moscow, possibly?

1:59:48 – 1:59:54

Uh, I don't believe there's been a formal IC assessment uh on this topic yet as it is uh underway.

1:59:55 – 2:00:13

So I would highly encourage that because it feels as though by easing these sanctions, we are s- directly providing the Kremlin with revenue, uh, the revenue that will be used directly to kill our Ukrainian soldiers. uh, and an increased likelihood that Putin will be successful in his war with Ukraine. Uh, thank you for your time and I yield.

2:00:14 – 2:00:15

Miss Wagner.

2:00:19 – 2:01:15

I thank you, Mister Chairman, and I wanna thank our witnesses for uh being with us today. As we sit here in Washington, our armed forces and our intelligence assets are engaged in conflict with the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, Iran, a radical, ruthless and murderous regime that has killed and maimed thousands of United States troops and citizens over the past fifty years. CIA Director Ratcliffe, can you elaborate for the American people on the threat that Iran posed to our American personnel in the region prior to Operation Epic Fury. To the extent you can in open hearing.

2:01:16 – 2:02:11

Sure, Congresswoman, happy to address that. Uh, I think as well documented and as you've encapsulated, um, Iran has been a constant threat for the last forty-seven years. Um, hundreds if not thousands of Americans killed, certainly thousands of Americans maimed as a result of, uh, activities of, uh, Iran and its IRGC, um, uh, over the years. Um, but particularly, um, n- no cessation with respect to the threats to US interests and forces in the region, not just from Iran but from its proxies, from Iraqi militia groups like Qataba, Hezbollah, uh, Lebanese Hezbollah, um, Hamas, the Houthis, all of these, um, uh, proxies, if you will, of uh, the Iranian regime, funded by the Iranian regime, uh, committing, committing, uh, assaults and attacks on American interests, uh, persistently.

2:02:11 – 2:02:13

So, so they did pose

2:02:11 – 2:02:15

Uh. Absolutely.

2:02:14 – 2:02:16

a absolute threat to

2:02:16 – 2:02:18

A constant and immediate threat at all times.

2:02:18 – 2:02:31

Thank you. General Adams, as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, can you inform the American people about the threat our armed forces have eliminated thus far?

2:02:32 – 2:02:43

Uh, yes ma'am. Um, Representative Wagner, thanks for the question, and I will like to go in detail. I'm gonna cover a little bit here. We will be able to cover more detail in the classified session,

2:02:42 – 2:02:43

Yes.

2:02:43 – 2:03:13

but the goals that the president uh has set out and ha- that have been accomplished, uh and executed by the central command uh were aligned along the uh DNI's um s- uh discussion earlier. One, eliminate their ability to power project. And that was inclusive of ballistic missiles, but it also includes their UASs. And so we have been very effective. We can talk about specific numbers, uh, i- in the cla- closed session.

2:03:13 – 2:03:14

OK.

2:03:14 – 2:03:34

Uh, their ability to reproduce both missiles and UASs has been - we've been very effective. And you can, uh, tell from the - the news, in fact, the chairman talked about it this morning, we have sunk their Navy. And so th- those specific objectives have been very well accomplished and will go into great detail in the close-up.

2:03:33 – 2:03:50

Right. Uh, General Hartman, as Acting Director of the National Security Agency, can you explain how weakening the Iranian regime is impacting the availability of resources to our adversaries, like China? Mike, please.

2:03:54 – 2:04:11

Hey, hey, thanks for the question. Uh, obviously not able to go into any uh, classified discussion here, uh, but - but certainly weakening the regime and weakening the collaboration between, uh, Iran, China, Russia, uh, other adversaries has a global effect of making the world safer.

2:04:11 – 2:04:48

Yes, thank you very much. Thank you for all your insights and thank you for keeping our troops and, uh, and our American people safe. As you know, I chair the first ever subcommittee on open source intelligence. Over the past year, our subcommittee has been working tirelessly to ensure the intelligence community is leveraging the vast amount of commercially available information to the highest degree of efficiency and cost effectiveness. Director Ratcliffe, as the CIA, is the functional manager of open source intelligence. Does the CIA CIA know which data has been acquired across all agencies within the IC?

2:04:49 – 2:05:34

Uh, thanks for the question, uh, Congresswoman. As you know, the CIA's, uh, open source Enterprise, uh, is driving the open source collection, uh, across the, the entire IC in support of the administration's top priorities. Uh, two of those priorities I've already talked about, counter-narcotics, uh, and threats from adversaries, um, use of emerging technologies. Those collections as a result of our, uh, open source are up seventy percent and forty pers- forty or forty-five percent, uh, collectively. Um, uh, the CIA does lead the IC uh, in pioneering new uses, uh, of AI to ext- to, uh, to extract insights, uh, from the vast amounts of open source data that are there, that we then share with analysts,

2:05:32 – 2:05:33

I

2:05:34 – 2:05:36

war fighters, everyone across the IC.

2:05:35 – 2:05:42

I I thank you. My time has expired. I have a lot more questions dealing with open source that we will do in close session. So I thank you. I yield back, Mr. Chairman.

2:05:43 – 2:05:56

Uh, before I recognize, Mr. Gomez, I wanna make sure that all members have had an opportunity to vote because they are prepared to close that vote on the floor. If you haven't. Please go do so at this time. Looks like we're good. All right, Mister Gomez.

2:05:57 – 2:06:08

Uh, thank you, Mister Chairman. I just wanna get right into it. Director Gabbard, last year you testified that Iran was not building a nuclear weapon. Uh, do you stand by that statement? Yes or no?

2:06:09 – 2:06:11

Context matters with that statement?

2:06:11 – 2:06:12

Yes, yes or no? Yes.

2:06:11 – 2:06:15

Iran had all of the materials and capabilities to do so?

2:06:13 – 2:06:22

I reclaim my time. I reclaim my time. Mister Chairman, I reclaim my time. Easy one. It's an easy answer. You either stand by what you said last year or not.

2:06:22 – 2:06:27

I- it is a serious question that requires the totality of the information available.

2:06:23 – 2:06:39

And Director Gabbard, I reclaim my time. I reclaim my time. Did you When President Trump was asked about your s- uh testimony testimony he said you were wrong. Were you lying or not?

2:06:41 – 2:06:45

I stand by the intelligence community's complete assessment.

2:06:43 – 2:07:03

Great. With that, Director Ratcliffe. When it came to the director's testimony, she said that Iran was not building the nuclear weapon last spring in Congress, and so the Supreme Leader uh had has not authorized the nuclear weapons program. Do you agree with what she said or not?

2:07:04 – 2:07:06

The direc- the director's right here.

2:07:04 – 2:07:05

Yes or no?

2:07:06 – 2:07:07

She can speak for herself.

2:07:07 – 2:07:22

Oh, so I thought this was an intelligence community briefing. Let's let's move on. Trump also said he didn't care what you thought or said. Should he care about what you have to say when it comes to intelligence?

2:07:25 – 2:07:29

I continue to provide the president with the intelligence community's assessments on all matters.

2:07:30 – 2:08:12

So let me just kind of get this straight. The department, you said that Iran was not building a nuclear weapon last year. President Trump said he didn't care what you thought, and you were wrong. They engage in Operation Midnight Hammer. He then says it was obliterated. We hear later reports that uh in open source reporting that it was only set back by a few months. Then at the beginning of this war, he said that they were weeks away. I just wanna kind of get a a sense um of were they weeks away of achieving a nuclear weapon, yes or no?

2:08:14 – 2:08:19

Congressman, this is a serious matter, and you've made some very serious mischaracterizations here.

2:08:17 – 2:08:20

Yes or n- Yes or no? Were they weeks away?

2:08:20 – 2:08:22

And so it would be a disservice to you and the American

2:08:20 – 2:08:22

Yes or no? W-

2:08:22 – 2:08:25

people to answer this question with a mere yes or no.

2:08:23 – 2:08:52

Reclaiming my time, reclaiming my time, were they weeks away or not? The American people need to know if this was an imminent threat or not. If they're weeks away or not. If they're months away or not. None of this dodging. Were they an em- imminent threat? Yesterday you said that only the president, only the only person who can determine what is an imminent threat is the president of the United States. You do you stand by that statement?

2:08:54 – 2:08:54

Yes, I do.

2:08:56 – 2:09:04

Director Ratcliffe, do you agree with that assessment? That the president is the only person that can determine if something is an imminent threat or not.

2:09:05 – 2:09:10

The president's commander-in-chief gets to make a decision about what's an imminent The intelligence community,

2:09:09 – 2:09:10

So no,

2:09:10 – 2:09:13

well the intel- the the intelligence con- uh,

2:09:11 – 2:09:14

reclaim my time, is it, is it, uh, reclaim my time,

2:09:13 – 2:09:17

the intelligence community has provided a body of intelligence

2:09:14 – 2:09:17

reclaim my time, reclaim my time.

2:09:17 – 2:09:20

that supports the decision that the president made.

2:09:17 – 2:10:04

Here's the reason why, is that if the president can determine and ignore what you're doing, why do you guys even have a job? Why even, like, why do you even advise him? So you're saying tomorrow the president of the United States can say China is an imminent threat and then he can take his own no matter what the intelligence says, he can take his own action. So that's what you're basically saying. Okay, let's go on. Director Gabbard, you said that North Korea has intercontinental ballistic missiles that can reach the homeland. Yet, the Defense Department said that Iran was at least ten years away from achieving an intercontinental ballistic mi- missile that can reach the homeland. Which one is a more serious threat? North Korea or Iran?

2:10:06 – 2:10:13

These threats are taken within the context of the of the uh in total body of intelligence reporting.

2:10:13 – 2:11:00

So so that's y- it should be, and that's my that's my point. It's not just about having the capability of building a weapon, it's if they can actually deliver that weapon, if they can they they have the intention of doing that, how many weeks away are they? I haven't like, we haven't we haven't heard that there were weeks away, we haven't heard that there are months away, we're like but that's what we're waiting for. Imminent to me means is that they're they're mobilizing troops, they're moving pos- things into position, artillery, they're they're getting getting ready to attack. But everything that we've heard is that this is not the case.

2:11:01 – 2:11:03

Gentlemen, his time has expired. Mister Klein.

2:11:06 – 2:12:48

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being here and for the work you do. Um, it's a marvel that just one year of strong leadership from the White House has shifted the conversation in this room from that of appeasement and passivity from the Biden administration to that of American strength, brought about by the, um, doctrine in Venezuela and Operation Eric F- Epic Fury in Iran. And it's not lost on me that as we sit here we have one side of the dais talking a big game on threats, and yet they're unwilling to even fund our Department of Homeland Security. Uh, I wanna thank President Trump's leadership in each of your efforts, because of your efforts Americans are safer today with two less despots to deal with. Nevertheless, there remains work to be done. While Venezuela and Iran are in decline, aggression from adversarial nations like China and Russia and near constant threats of terrorism and cyber warfare continue to persist. The Chinese Communist Party in particular remains a top adversary that routinely deals in bad faith and this was highlighted most recently by White House Office Director of National Drug Compul- control policy, Sarah Carter, when she delivered recent remarks in Vienna saying, quote, " We know that China's weak export controls and lax enforcement allow its chemical industry to foster friendships with the drug cartels. At the same time, China's overtly overly effective controls over rare earth minerals wreak wreak havoc on legitimate industries," end quote. Of course, we're now seeing reports of a new synthetic opioid called cyclorphene that is said to be ten times more potent than fentanyl and undetectable on fentanyl test strips. As you know, President Trump may meet with President Xi in the near future, where trade and export controls will will most certainly be discussed. Um, Director Gabbert, um, what is your assessment of the quality and quantity of AI compute that China can indigenously manufacture?

2:12:52 – 2:13:04

Uh, the majority of this question, uh, should be addressed in a closed hearing. Uh, we, the intelligence community's assessment is that uh China continues to rapidly advance its AI capability.

2:13:05 – 2:13:14

Do you assess that export controls on semiconductor manufacturing equipment and AI compute have been effective, slowing the development and deployment of Chinese AI?

2:13:15 – 2:13:26

Uh the intelligence community's assessment is that uh one of the effects of those export controls is China has increased its focus on developing its own organic capability.

2:13:27 – 2:13:39

What do you assess would be the economic and national security impacts? if the US decided to loosen export controls and allow the sale of NVIDIA, Blackwell GPUs or large numbers of H two hundreds to China.

2:13:40 – 2:13:45

Uh, I don't believe there is an intelligence community assessment on that specific scenario.

2:13:46 – 2:14:51

Yeah, I think that these national security implications should be weighed heavily when conducting these talks, considering that fentanyl overdoses are only down in the US thanks to the president's leadership in securing our borders and taking the fight directly, the cartels in our hemisphere and not the empty words and actions of the Chinese Communist Party. Our adversaries are constantly conducting cyber operations on US government and private sector networks to steal information and money or conduct disruptive cyber attacks. We've just been tracking the Chinese Typhoon actors for several years. And just last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that salt typhoon actors which were responsible for targeting US Telecom may have accessed sensitive FBI networks. I I may have more to follow up on. In the closed session for now, I wanna discuss how the overall US government posture is gonna change based on President Trump's cyber strategy which was released last week. Been frustrated for some time about the unwillingness of prior administrations to decisively take action, including the use of offensive cyber operations. Director Patel, uh beginning with you, what can we expect from the FBI moving forward to be more aggressive on both defensive and offensive cyber activity?

2:14:52 – 2:15:12

Thank you, Congressman. So as you stated, the president just launched a new cybersecurity cyber strategy and within that is what the FBI just launched sixty days ago. It's the most comprehensive cyber program we've ever put out called Winter Shield. And what we do, connecting pillar one and pillar four of the president's strategies is go on offense and defense. And so what we've done already is while we are always going after nation,

2:15:09 – 2:15:09

Mm-hmm.

2:15:12 – 2:15:45

state, actors, we also have to engage with the private sector communities because they are going after the private sector as well. We've held three hundred and fifty-five engagements in the last sixty days with enterprises across America to harden their networks. And as you recall, just a couple of months ago, our banking infrastructure was hit by a ransomware attack from overseas. In one weekend, the FBI disrupted and kicked off every one of those bad actors from that network, saving the American people their, uh, valued billions in those bank vaults. So this is some of the things we're doing, but we need constant engagement with the private sector.

2:15:45 – 2:15:55

Great. General Hartman, what efforts are underway at NSA to bolster intelligence collection and threat detection in coordination with other federal agencies to target adversary uh, cyber operations.

2:15:56 – 2:15:57

Congressman, thanks.

2:15:57 – 2:15:57

Briefly.

2:15:57 – 2:16:25

Uh, significant, uh, effort, uh, to - to really focus our Cybersecurity Director, uh, working very closely, uh, with Director Patel, uh, and the - our Cybersecurity Collaboration Center, which has thousands of analyst-to-analyst relationships with private organizations across the - the country. We - we need more work, uh, not just from an offensive standpoint, but working across government and certainly working across private industry. both dedicated and resource to doing that, Congressman.

2:16:26 – 2:16:27

Thank you for what you do. You're back.

2:16:27 – 2:16:29

Uh, gentleman yields, Mister Quigley.

2:16:29 – 2:16:34

Thank you. Lightning round, please. General, I understand tomorrow is your last day before retirement?

2:16:35 – 2:16:36

Yes, Congressman.

2:16:36 – 2:16:57

I can think of better ways to finish things for you, but we appreciate your being here. I wanna respectfully ask you and each of you, uh, i- if you have full-time personnel dedicated to analyzing and, uh, collecting foreign threats on the twenty s- twenty-six elections. And if so, just yes or no on how many personnel we have.

2:16:59 – 2:17:03

Congressman, I'll get yes, uh, I'll get you the exact number, but certainly we have people paying attention to those rates.

2:17:03 – 2:17:04

Thank you.

2:17:04 – 2:17:11

Congressman, yes, we have an election crimes coordinator in each one of our fifty-six field offices and election crimes coordinators at headquarters.

2:17:11 – 2:17:11

Thank you.

2:17:11 – 2:17:18

Uh, yes, we have personnel dedicated both to election security as well as foreign intelligence related to election influence.

2:17:19 – 2:17:19

Thank you.

2:17:20 – 2:17:28

Yes, we do as well. I don't know the numbers, but uh what we do collect and we contribute to the larger uh IC uh coordination.

2:17:29 – 2:17:29

Thank you.

2:17:31 – 2:17:36

And Representative Quigley, uh, we do not, to my knowledge, have anyone at the CIA on that topic.

2:17:35 – 2:17:55

Okay. Um, a question again for all of you. Um, well first, Director Gabbard, uh, you've seen the reports about whether or not Russia has helped Iran in targeting in current war in Iran. Um, can you confirm that or is that something we're gonna save for a closed session?

2:17:55 – 2:17:57

We'll save that for the closed session, sir.

2:17:57 – 2:18:50

Um, but within that context, uh, on CNBC, uh, Steve Witkoff said on a recent call with President Trump, Russian leaders deny they were sharing this target information, shock, surprise, awe that they would do that, uh, about US military assets with the Iranians. Mr. Ryckoff said, " So you know, quote, we can take them at their word, let's hope they're not doing this." Just from your own sense, and for many of you who have been fighting in the Cold War for a long time, a long lost sense of a Russian, of a Reagan doctrine. Just general, it is your sense that you can take Putin at his word on anything involving military diplomatic or intel assessments.

2:18:53 – 2:19:05

Hey, Congressman, from a intelligence standpoint, we don't take anyone at their word from a a f- a foreign standpoint. We execute intelligence operations to to provide that uh uh information to decision makers.

2:19:06 – 2:19:09

I appreciate that. Mr. Patel, Director.

2:19:10 – 2:19:11

I agree with the general.

2:19:12 – 2:19:23

Uh, yes, I agree. We don't take anyone at their word, and from an intelligence stand. uh, we don't rely on single sources of intelligence and always look for multiple sources to confirm.

2:19:24 – 2:19:24

Director.

2:19:25 – 2:19:40

Yeah, Congressman, I, I actually answered this question yesterday. Uh, I don't take uh, uh, Putin, Xi, Kim Jong-un, uh, Supreme Leader, any foreign adversary leader at their word, rely on uh, our intelligence uh, to reflect what those adversaries are actually doing.

2:19:40 – 2:19:41

General.

2:19:42 – 2:19:46

We absolutely do not take any of those uh enemies at their word.

2:19:46 – 2:20:34

Can I get a hallelujah? Mr. Gabbard, let me I understand that you have to put your own personal views aside in your position, but I honestly think that the issue our grandchildren are gonna be most upset about us with is climate change. So, you know, you know your quote, and and when you talked about climate change, uh, as a member it threatens the safety and security of the planet, especially in places like Hawaii where we already experiencing its devastating effects. But respectfully, it, it's not in worldwide threats. Used to be in worldwide threats. So, let me help me, just help me understand who makes the final decision on what goes in here and what is a threat?

2:20:37 – 2:20:42

Congressman, it's a collection of the intelligence community's assessments that the National Intelligence

2:20:57 – 2:21:10

I get that part. Did you make the case that maybe climate change should be considered a worldwide threat when we are this collective process? Did you make the case with what you said not that long ago?

2:21:10 – 2:21:19

Yeah, once again, we focused on the most tangible and direct threats, given the complexity uh of those threats that exist here and on the homeland and around the world.

2:21:19 – 2:21:31

So that's stating that there's, that climate change isn't in any way a tangible threat now or in the future. It's it's basically saying we think so little of it as a threat, we don't even mention it.

2:21:32 – 2:21:41

Think the changing of the climate, the weather, the environment is a factor that goes into uh the different uh intelligence community assessments on effects.

2:21:42 – 2:21:44

Gentleman's time has expired. Uh Miss Tinney.

2:21:46 – 2:23:47

Uh thank you, Mister Chairman, and thank you so much uh to our briefers and for your service to our country in multiple uh cases for some of you. Uh and and everyone who serves in the intelligence community that gives the support to everyone that's serving. Um I fully support President Trump's efforts uh through your agencies over the last eighteen months. Eighteen days, eighteen days. We have to emphasize it's only been eighteen days. And uh I think it was a courageous decision. And uh to the American people, I know many have recited this, but for the past past forty-seven years uh Iran has been the the world's largest sponsor of terrorism. The Islamic Republic of Iran has operated with impunity. Uh they've destabilized the Middle East, brutalized their own citizens, and have the blood of countless Americans and others on their hands. And now they're paying the price for that despotism. And I wanna thank our service members and President Trump in making these difficult and stunning decisions. But it is also stunning what the Iranian people and so many in the Middle East and around the world have suffered from the regime. And I wanna point out that in twenty twenty-two when Masa Amini was killed in the hands of the so-called morality police by the Iranian regime, it spurned a a w- I would say probably one of the most profound women's rights movements of our time. So many women stood up in the face of certain death, or at least imprisonment, definitely having an eye gouged out, like so many others, to stand up. And I, I am so grateful that, uh, these people now have an opportunity to actually have some kind of regime that would be, give them a chance at freedom after all these years. And I wanted to ask Director Gabbard, um, some of these people and many of these people do not seem to have access to outside information. Can you characterize what the access would be uh to the internet or cell phones for for those in Iran who have no idea about anything and are only receiving the propaganda from the regime?

2:23:48 – 2:24:07

Uh, Congressman, I can expand on this in the closed setting, but I will say briefly that uh throughout the period of protest that we saw previously uh and during this ongoing the access of the Iranian people, uh, to basic things like power or internet or cell phone access is extremely limited.

2:24:08 – 2:24:23

So I would now ask the General since, uh, uh, General James, in this same vein, do you think that the suspensh- the internet suppression by the Iranian regime is, uh, is an objective that would be protecting the, uh, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps?

2:24:23 – 2:24:33

Uh, yes, ma- ma'am, the, uh, it's a TTP. And and we will go into in great detail in the classified, but it's definitely a TTP to maintain control.

2:24:33 – 2:25:14

Thank you, I appreciate that, I look forward to that. Uh, I wanna turn to the northern border, which I represent, uh, most of the northern border with the state of New York. Across the Lake Ontario shoreline, we know that, uh, many, many on the foreign terror watch list, uh, in two thousand twenty-four, three hundred and fifty-eight s- suspects, uh, were found, uh, and arrested on the northern border fiscal year twenty twenty five. That number has been reduced to three hundred and seven. I wanted to ask Director Patel, how would you characterize the type of uh those the those types of people that you have appeared obtained arrested or encountered on the northern border? Cartels, Islamic terror, organized crime. How would you uh characterize those people if you can?

2:25:14 – 2:25:29

Um, thank you, Congresswoman. Um, with the solidification and reinforcement of the southern border, the northern border has become a target of opportunity for foreign terrorist organizations cartels, um, those that wish to conduct espionage activities, basically all of the above.

2:25:29 – 2:25:37

How would you characterize the partnership of our Canadian uh friends to the north and their willingness to stop these individuals especially in the last year or so?

2:25:38 – 2:25:58

At the FBI, we have engaged with the RCMP and their intel services at levels never seen before, to specifically focus on the fentanyl productions north of our border. Um, the uh, cartels have shifted their operations produce the lethal fentanyl that kills so many Americans. So that's one example where we're focused and locked in with our partners north of the border.

2:25:58 – 2:26:37

Thank you very much. Appreciate that. One last thing I just wanted to ask. Upstate New York is now the new home to Micron, uh, one of the world's three leading memory, uh, ma- manufacturers and the only US leading memory company. Uh, memory produced in Micron is integral uh, an integral component of the GPUs, uh, used to train America's dominant frontier models. Um, I'd love to to find out, uh, uh, uh, Director, uh, Uh, Ratcliffe, what would be the economic and national security implications if China were to catch up on the US on memory, GPUs, critical minerals, all those things that go into uh everything rea- in in leading up to this, including the the advent of A M AI?

2:26:38 – 2:27:05

Well, what you've seen, uh, Congresswoman, is that, uh, when China can take advantage of things, uh, in the supply chain like critical minerals, they'll do that. Uh, w- this is particularly problematic in the area of all emerging technologies and AI in particular. Um, obviously, um, whoever is dominant in the technology fields in the future will dictate the the uh rules in the international marketplace. It would be devastating if China were ahead of us.

2:27:06 – 2:27:07

Thank you, I appreciate it. I yield back.

2:27:07 – 2:27:08

Mister Cohen.

2:27:09 – 2:27:32

Thank you, Mister Chair. D- Director Patel, you you had a question from Doctor Jackson about the the shutdown we're in now with um homeland security and - and I believe you said that this would - that this time, this would be d- harmful to America uh because of the threat from Iran. Is that correct? Do I recall that correctly?

2:27:32 – 2:27:33

Generally, yes, sir.

2:27:33 – 2:27:39

Um how many days before we invaded uh Iran did you know we were gonna launch an invasion?

2:27:40 – 2:27:48

We can get into those details in a classified setting, but I work with my colleagues across the spectrum here to give me advance warnings so that we can reinforce more.

2:27:47 – 2:27:49

Was it two days, three days, a - a month?

2:27:50 – 2:27:51

It was, it was sometime before that, sir.

2:27:51 – 2:28:10

Sometime before that. So you have not n- With that knowledge, why did you fire at least a dozen agents in in the counterintelligence unit twelve that specializes in Iran counterintelligence which makes us much less secure and safe with this war going on from Iranian attacks potentially against our country?

2:28:10 – 2:28:33

As I said earlier, Congressman, I don't work on timelines when these terminations occur. They're internal investigations conducted by the careers of the FBI. that highlight unethical or inappropriate conduct, and it's up to me to make the decision. But our Iran threats mission center has never been more resourced, as I've highlighted a forty-three percent increase in counter espionage arrests from Iran alone and three hundred and sixty ongoing terrorism investigations with Iran-affiliated individuals.

2:28:32 – 2:28:36

And the people you fired, those twelve people, they were experts on Iran, were they not?

2:28:37 – 2:28:37

I don't believe so.

2:28:38 – 2:28:40

They worked in counterintelligence, are they not?

2:28:41 – 2:28:44

I'm taking you at your word, sir. I'm not familiar with every single word.

2:28:43 – 2:28:48

Y- you're the chief director, I'm not. You should know the answer. You fired the people. Where did they work?

2:28:49 – 2:28:54

I've, people were terminated for violating their ethical obligations and the high standards that we have.

2:28:53 – 2:29:03

Was the ethical violations that they dealt with the case of the classified documents that were found at the b- bathroom in Mar-a-Lago, was that the ethical issue?

2:29:03 – 2:29:07

As I said earlier, all those matters are pending litigation, so I'm not gonna comment on them.

2:29:10 – 2:29:12

Director Gabbert, are you familiar with CI-twelve?

2:29:14 – 2:29:15

I'm not, Congressman.

2:29:15 – 2:29:49

OK. Let me ask you this question. Uh in the intelligence community's unclassified annual threat assessment from last year, it said quote " Iran's large conventional forces are capable of inflicting substantial damage to an attacker, executing regional strikes, and disrupting shipping, particularly energy supplies to the Strait of Hormuz." It seems the IC was entirely correct in its assessment about Iranian retaliation in the Strait. Did the IC's assessment about the Iranian capabilities and the Straits of Hormuz change in the past year?

2:29:50 – 2:29:51

No, Congressman.

2:29:51 – 2:29:58

Does Iran still have the capability to threaten shipping in the Straits of Hormun, Hormuz with missiles, mines and small boats?

2:30:00 – 2:30:06

Uh, their capabilities have been largely degraded, but yes, they still have the means to threaten passage through the Strait of Hormuz.

2:30:07 – 2:30:08

And how long can they keep the Strait closed?

2:30:10 – 2:30:16

Uh. Based on current events, I'd have to get an updated assessment from the intelligence community on that.

2:30:18 – 2:30:25

Uh, did you have an analysis of the impact of a war on global supply change in the price of oil and gas?

2:30:27 – 2:30:31

I believe that assessment may have come from the Department of Treasury or Energy.

2:30:33 – 2:30:35

Who didn't come through your office?

2:30:37 – 2:30:41

Uh, it it came from their element within Department of Energy or Energy.

2:30:41 – 2:30:43

Do you know if the president was briefed on those assessments?

2:30:46 – 2:30:48

I believe so, but I can't confirm.

2:30:49 – 2:31:11

So if he was briefed on those assessments that that was a problem, and the Straits of Hormuz could be shut off and that's causing a great problem in the world's economy with the oil prices going up to like under hundred and twenty dollars or something a barrel, and an effect on all countries' economies, uh why would the president not have taken action to strengthen defense around the Strait of Hormuz.

2:31:12 – 2:31:23

Uh, all I can say is that, uh, the president ultimately is responsible for making the decisions based on the totality of information and intelligence that he has available to him.

2:31:24 – 2:31:33

The intelligence that he has available to him, that's a scary thought. Um, does the IC know where Iran's enriched uranium is?

2:31:34 – 2:31:37

The IC has high confidence that we know where it is.

2:31:38 – 2:31:39

And can you tell us that in classified?

2:31:40 – 2:31:43

We can speak more about this topic in the classified setting.

2:31:43 – 2:31:48

OK. It could it be, it, we have methods of, of destroying it?

2:31:49 – 2:31:51

Uh, this is a conversation for a closed setting, sir.

2:31:56 – 2:32:06

Do you have an idea what the purpose of the Marines being sent, uh, the, the units that are being sent over there, uh, is the idea that we will put troops with boots on the ground in Iran?

2:32:07 – 2:32:14

Uh, ODI and I and the and the IC is not involved in the operational planning, uh, and movements of the Department of War assets.

2:32:15 – 2:32:26

Thank you. Uh, I'll be very honest with you. When you made your, read us your original comments, it was kind of scary because of all the craziness that goes on in the world. I can't wait for the classified setting. Thank you.

2:32:28 – 2:32:29

Mr. Perry.

2:32:29 – 2:33:13

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's good to see some of the old colleagues. I'm gonna start, and thank you for the service, gentlemen, uh, and ma'am. Um, I'm gonna start with General Hartman, General Adams, do you know how many days it's been since uh Russia went into Ukraine? I'll answer it for you, it's fourteen hundred and eighty. Um, do you know how much money the United States government has spent the taxpayers have spent in the war in Ukraine? I'm gonna round it for you, it's about two hundred billion dollars, I mean, maybe it's a lot more, maybe it's a little less, it's hard to tell around the, this, this place. To your best of your knowledge was Russia, an imminent threat to the United States, when they went into Ukraine, to the best of your knowledge. Sir?

2:33:17 – 2:33:25

Um. Congressman, I wasn't in this position when uh when when that decision was made.

2:33:22 – 2:33:26

I understand. I'm saying to the best of your knowledge,

2:33:25 – 2:33:25

It's

2:33:26 – 2:33:28

I know it goes back fourteen hundred and eighty days, but

2:33:29 – 2:33:34

So, so certainly I don't think it was in the best interest of the United States for Uh, Russia's going to take the EU.

2:33:33 – 2:33:35

But was Russia an imminent threat is what I'm asking.

2:33:36 – 2:33:40

Um, not not my uh decision to make or advice to provide, Congressman.

2:33:39 – 2:33:41

OK. How about you, General Adams?

2:33:46 – 2:33:56

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. A little difficult. Well,

2:33:56 – 2:33:56

Well, look at,

2:33:56 – 2:34:00

look at, was Russia gonna attack the United States fourteen hundred and eighty days ago?

2:33:56 – 2:34:01

was Russia gonna attack the United States fourteen hundred and eighty days ago? One week.

2:34:03 – 2:34:04

Not to my knowledge.

2:34:04 – 2:35:46

Yeah, all right. Um, you recall who the president was at that time? Gentleman? I'll help you out if it's President Biden. Do you know who the Speaker of the House was at that time? The name Miss Pelosi ring a bell? Do you recall this Congress, um, declaring war, Russia and Ukraine? fourteen hundred and eighty days ago or any time between then and now. I don't, I don't either. Do you know, gentlemen, how many American service members have been killed or maimed attributed to Iran, the IRGC, their proxies, et cetera, roughly? Any idea? Could, could we say probably a thousand killed, if not ten thousand, over ten thousand killed in Maine, probably a reasonable assessment. You know how many uniformed service members have been killed by Russia in the last fourteen hundred and eighty days, American uniformed service personnel? I'm just asking, I don't know of any, but do you know of any? I, I, I I, it just seems to me that there's almost like a political narrative being constructed here. And I just wanna, you know, point out this, it seems like a bit of an irony. I'm gonna go to the director of the FBI. It's good to see you, Mr. Patel. Um, Crossfire hurricane, round river, plasmic e- echo, arctic frost seem to have emanated from the counterintelligence division of the FBI. Is that a reasonably correct assessment, generally speaking?

2:35:47 – 2:35:51

Um, generally speaking, Congressman, I wanna be careful here cuz there are a number of ongoing investigations.

2:35:50 – 2:36:11

Yeah. Understand. Um. There's a filing system that prohibited, well, with prohibited access, is it possible that that politicized investigation and filing system violated Sixth Amendment rights to the discovery and Congress's Article-one oversight authorities if possible?

2:36:11 – 2:36:17

Uh, without giving you a definitive answer f- that is rests with the DOJ, let me just talk about prohibited case files real quick.

2:36:17 – 2:36:17

Sure.

2:36:17 – 2:36:22

Prohibited case files are basically files that prior um uh

2:36:26 – 2:36:26

Right.

2:36:26 – 2:36:40

They do not exist in our sentineled systems, they do not exist anywhere, and if you search for that specific case, it won't even come up, which is why I, as the first FBI director to do so, have terminated prohibited case files and as you know, I'm wed to constitutional oversight here at Congress,

2:36:39 – 2:36:40

Right.

2:36:40 – 2:36:46

and I've delivered fifty thousand pages, which is four hundred percent more increase than my two predecessors combined.

2:36:46 – 2:36:50

Director, would ensnaring individuals or organizations based solely on their

2:36:55 – 2:36:56

I believe so.

2:36:57 – 2:37:06

Have any of the personnel associated with these activities, and I understand that investigations may be ongoing, have they been removed from duty pending the outcome investigation?

2:37:08 – 2:37:09

Uh, yes, many have.

2:37:10 – 2:37:20

OK, moving on. I'm concerned about a a lab that was found in a clandestine Chinese bio lab that was found in California and then one that was found later

2:37:20 – 2:37:20

Mm-hmm.

2:37:20 – 2:37:22

in in um

2:37:22 – 2:37:23

Las Vegas.

2:37:23 – 2:37:47

yeah Nevada. And I'm wondering is, are you concerned about a lack of vision or imagination in agents that solely work on a case and can't see that China has the you know, has the capability and the impetus to do these things all around the country and things like those things? And have you done anything about changing that that training or that operational uh conduct of agents?

2:37:47 – 2:38:09

I can only speak to what I've done. And this FBI is keenly aware of it. We're the ones that figured it out, not just in Las Vegas, but places like Michigan, where we arrested multiple individuals who were pretending to be researchers at the University of Michigan while bringing in lethal pathogens and trying to steal our trade secrets and our agricultural secrets which is national security. So this FBI is laser focused on the Chinese threat, um, especially related to bio labs and agricultural theft.

2:38:09 – 2:38:11

Appreciate the response. I yield the balance.

2:38:12 – 2:38:12

Mister Fallon.

2:38:15 – 2:39:14

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know, I, I would be remiss if I didn't mention Operation Absolute Resolve and the arrest and capture of Nicolas Maduro and his wife. It was incredibly complex. It was bold. It was unprecedented. Uh, it was a wild success. It re- really, uh, harkens thoughts of Rayadana and Tebbe fifty years ago, except this actually remarkably exceeded that in its success. It was historic and it altered undeniably the geopolitical landscape in the United States' favor. So our military and our IC should be lauded and I wanna offer a hearty and uh deserved congratulations to all of you that are testifying before us today. Thank you. Uh, Director Ratcliffe, I wanna just visit with you a little bit. Uh, first I do wanna take a point of personal privilege. Uh, I attended Coach Holter's funeral Monday. He was very proud of you. Uh, how long has uh Iran been pursuing a nuclear weapon director?

2:39:17 – 2:40:00

Um, Congressman, let me respond. I appreciate the the kind remarks and um uh I also wanna congratulate the people of the fourth district of Texas uh for getting a lot better representation than they ever did from the guy that was previously in that seat. Um uh notwithstanding as I talked about um uh a fatwa that was issued, I believe in two thousand four um uh Iran has had a a dedicated uh nuclear program beyond civil limits for the development uh of nuclear weapons. They currently possess at least four hundred and forty kilograms of highly enriched uranium at sixty percent weapons grade, um that would be capable of of uh putting together ten nuclear weapons.

2:40:02 – 2:40:09

Director, what nation state has achieved sixty percent enrichment and then not produced a nuclear weapon?

2:40:10 – 2:40:11

I'm not aware of any.

2:40:11 – 2:41:41

There's none. You get to sixty percent, there's a reason you're at sixty percent, because you p- are pursuing uh nuclear ambitions. So we have um sanctions have been imposed in the past, and yet that pursuit continued. Their econo- their economy was teetering, the pursuit continued. Their people were suffering, the pursuit continued. Under the Bush, Obama, Trump forty-five. Biden now, Trump forty-seven. That pursuit continued. Then last June, Operation Midnight Hammer. Nuclear program was dealt a significant setback. But not only that, the uh autocratic illegitimate regime in Tehran uh witnessed firsthand that the American resolve under this administration should be taken very seriously. I want to read you a few quotes. "Iran will never be permitted to build a nuclear weapon," Barack Obama, fifteen. "The message to Iran should be loud and clear. We will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon, never, Hillary Clinton. Iran will never get a nuclear weapon on my watch. Iran can never develop or acquire a nuclear weapon, Joe Biden. Make no mistake, as president, I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend American forces and interests from Iran, Kamala Kamala Harris. So last June we have new uh the midnight hammer. And not only did they see the resolve, uh I mean they saw uh that we were committed to actually taking action and not just the words this time. And even after all of that Did they abandon their pursuit uh and their nuclear program?

2:41:42 – 2:42:28

They absolutely did not. Uh, Congressman, I think you point out, uh, uh, the success of Operation Midnight Hammer is that, uh, one of the things that we assess in the intelligence community broadly is that, um, since that operation, Iran has been unable to enrich a single kilogram of uranium, uh, to sixty percent since that operation. But as you correctly point out, Congressman, Notwithstanding that, our intelligence is also clear that, um, they have not lost their ambition and that, uh, the activities to rebuild or reconstitute, uh, the, the nuclear, uh, facilities, uh, and centrifuges is something that the intelligence, uh, there's a body of intelligence that I think, uh, confirms that.

2:42:29 – 2:42:52

Then we had eight months of negotiations and attempted diplomacy. They proved fruit uh fruitless, and yet the pursuit continued. And then director uh uh and is there any intelligence or evidence that the Supreme Leader and his thug Mullahs after all that at the beginning of this year were going to finally stop their pursuit uh of their uh nuclear weapon in their program?

2:42:52 – 2:42:53

No.

2:42:55 – 2:43:01

So we are have some folks here that are splitting hairs about eminent threat. You know what, was it a grave threat, director, in your opinion?

2:43:02 – 2:43:06

Nuclear weapons are a grave threat in the hands of religious ideologues.

2:43:04 – 2:43:22

And that's something. Sixty percent enrichment, no nation state that achieved that hadn't produced a nuclear weapon. We can either talk about it, kick the can down the road, and let them get a nuclear weapon or get danger close to it on the precipice, or we can take action now on this what this administration chose to do. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.

2:43:22 – 2:43:23

Mr. Stueppe.

2:43:24 – 2:44:33

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Every day the brave men and women of our intelligence community, armed forces and federal law enforcement work to protect our homeland from a constant and evolving array of threats. But since Democrats chose to shut down the Department of Homeland Security, those threats have grown more acute. Our country has already experienced four terrorist attacks since the shutdown began the consequences are no longer hypothetical they're unfolding in real time at a moment when the global threat environment is intensifying, terrorist organizations are resurging and adversaries continue to encourage violence against Americans. Congress should be reinforcing our defenses, instead Democrats have sidelined the very department responsible for keeping the homeland safe. Not a single Democrat here on this committee voted to reopen of Homeland Security. That was not an accident. It was a political decision made at the expense of the safety and security of the American people. As threats to our homelands rise and our enemies grow more emboldened, this decision has weakened our defenses and replaced action with dysfunction. Each day the threat environment worsens and with it the risk to the American people, which is indefensible. Do each of you agree that the reckless democratic shutdown of the Department of s- Homeland Security has affected your agency's ability to detect, deter, and respond

2:44:45 – 2:44:50

Congressman, it hasn't had a significant impact on the foreign intelligence mission of the National Security Agency.

2:44:50 – 2:44:51

Director Patel.

2:44:51 – 2:44:55

Uh, the shutdown has had a significant impact on how we protect and defend the homeland.

2:44:55 – 2:44:56

Director Gabert.

2:44:57 – 2:45:02

Uh, this has directly affected the intelligence elements within the Department of Homeland Security negatively.

2:45:03 – 2:45:04

Director Atcliff.

2:45:04 – 2:45:07

Uh, I would agree with the Director of National Intelligence.

2:45:07 – 2:45:08

General Adams.

2:45:09 – 2:45:16

Uh, no significant impact on the d- defense intelligence agency and the foreign threat that we uh analyze.

2:45:17 – 2:45:41

So, Director Gabert, you in your opening statement talked about the threats to the homeland and the changes that you've made as it relates to the border and the changes that the president has made um after four years of open border policies under President Biden during which cartels and gangs expanded their operations into American cities, What specific actions has ODII taken to disrupt these criminal cartels and networks and stop the fentanyl poisoning and murdering US citizens?

2:45:42 – 2:47:06

Thank you for the question, Congressman. We've taken several actions to be able to get after this threat, uh, that the president, uh, made a priority. Number one being, uh, making historic shifts in intelligence collection towards addressing this threat. I believe it is the biggest shift in intelligence, uh, capabilities that we've ever seen or certainly in a long time. Uh, the integration and cooperation between our National Counterterrorism Center, uh, with the DEA and other Department of Homeland Security elements, um, is also unprecedented. Uh, we have taken and coordinated the collection of individuals, known and suspected terrorists, known and suspected cartel members, leaders, uh, and inputted that into the TIDE system, which has radically increased and improved our ability to identify those who are cartel and gang members trying to enter our country, uh and those who may already be in our country. National Counterterrorism Center has been working again in coordination with our inter- agency partners to get after the financial networks that these cartels and gangs rely upon to be able to continue to def- uh to fund. Uh, as Director Patel has spoken about, we have national counterterrorism um uh elements that sit within the joint terrorism task forces and support the inter-agency efforts to continue to get after this threat very effectively.

2:47:07 – 2:47:25

Thank you. Um, Director Patel, Mister Cohen was asking you about a recent firing of a counter espionage agents with Iranian expertise. Uh, you and the FBI are taking, will continue to take, all required steps to keep the American people safe during President Trump's historic military action against an oppressive and evil Iranian regime, is that correct?

2:47:25 – 2:47:43

Absolutely, and There's thirty six thousand people employed at this FBI. And I reject the notion wholeheartedly that determination of those that were weaponizing law enforcement are the only ones that can do the mission. There's a forty three percent increase in counterintelligence and espionage arrests just related to Iran alone which is a record year for the FBI.

2:47:43 – 2:47:48

Well, and you plussed up nearly a thousand agents in the field throughout the United States since this has occurred.

2:47:48 – 2:47:48

Yes, sir.

2:47:48 – 2:47:56

And there's a document that you posted on um X and I think that's what you have in front of you about all of the wins and the changes that the

2:48:04 – 2:49:16

Thank you. Under the Trump administration, this FBI has literally had a historic year. We have a hundred and twelve increase, a hundred and twelve percent increase in violent offenders arrested last year alone. A twenty percent decrease in homicides. Twenty percent decrease in robberies. We have disrupted eighteen hundred criminal gangs. That's a two hundred and ten percent increase. We seized enough fentanyl to kill a hundred and seventy-eight million Americans. thirty-one percent increase. We have gone after the most vulnerable in our uh society, protecting children, a four hundred and ninety percent increase in arrests on those that prey on our children online. We have located, found and identified sixty-two hundred missing kids. That's a thirty percent increase. We have di- dismantled and taken down seventeen hundred child predators. That's a seventeen percent increase. And those that wish to traffic our young uh American citizens and women, three hundred human traffickers have been arrested. That's a fifteen percent increase. And seven, seven of the FBI's top ten most wanted fugitives in the world have been apprehended in the last thirteen months to put that into perspective there was four in the prior four years so this FBI under President Trump is fully stocked to get after every single fight we have and these are just some of the statistics, so I thank you for letting me highlight those.

2:49:16 – 2:49:17

Thank you. My time's expired.

2:49:17 – 2:49:18

Mister Crenshaw.

2:49:21 – 2:49:54

Thank you all for being here in this uh marathon, uh two day two day marathon. Appreciate you all. I wanna talk about FISA um because we uh all have scars on our back from uh two years ago when we were authorized FISA. I anticipate it being easier this time, but I still want to go over the myths that the public believes and that many members of this Congress believe. Uh, Mr. Patel, I'll I'll focus on you here. Myth number one. Has to do with seven O two versus FISA title one. Um Trump was targeted with FISA seven O two. Is that a myth?

2:49:55 – 2:49:56

That that that's a myth, it's not true.

2:49:57 – 2:50:03

Well how how it's just real quick how how was President Trump targeted targeted under Crossfire Hurricane?

2:50:03 – 2:50:22

Under FISA title one title three authorities uh information was presented to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court a search warrant to surveil individuals associated with the Trump campaign which was later revealed through the House Intelligence Committee's work. that the information collected was not only unverified, but individuals lied in that application, individuals that were government officials,

2:50:22 – 2:50:24

I think it's worth worth pointing out that whether whether

2:50:22 – 2:50:23

and some were convicted.

2:50:25 – 2:50:48

this process was FISA or in regular court, it was still lies told by the people trying to get the warrant. Had nothing to do with FISA, it was simply the people trying to get the warrant were lying. OK, myth number two. A query means that we're spying on Americans, means we're reading in their inbox or getting inside their text messages, all of that. Is that true?

2:50:48 – 2:50:57

No, I'm gonna borrow General Hartman's answer, a query of seven O two is pursuant to lawfully collected information of non-US citizens overseas.

2:50:59 – 2:51:04

Right. So if you query an American citizen, are you accessing their inbox?

2:51:04 – 2:51:04

No.

2:51:05 – 2:51:16

You're just seeing if they have spoken to somebody who is a foreign intelligence officer, let's say, And you would know they've spoken to them because they would show up as part of that conversation.

2:51:17 – 2:51:18

In foreign intelligence collection, yes.

2:51:18 – 2:51:29

In foreign intelligence collection. So if And and if you wanted to get inside their inbox, you would have to get an actual warrant under current law, right? A US person.

2:51:30 – 2:51:32

A warrant or a subpoena process, yes, sir.

2:51:32 – 2:51:35

OK. So that's a really important distinction.

2:51:35 – 2:51:39

Congressman, if I could just but but you wouldn't use FA seven O two to do that.

2:51:36 – 2:51:41

Sure. Correct.

2:51:41 – 2:51:43

To get in the per- the the, I just wanna be clear about that.

2:51:43 – 2:51:44

Yes, you would not.

2:51:43 – 2:51:44

There is, there is

2:51:44 – 2:51:46

You would you would use your regular court process.

2:51:46 – 2:51:51

no authority under seven O two to collect intelligence, um, intentionally against US persons.

2:51:51 – 2:51:52

Absolutely.

2:51:52 – 2:52:34

Right. Um, yeah, so when somebody, and let's say their name rhymes with, I don't know, Tucker Carlson, is claiming that the CIA is is spying on him, I would, I'm gonna guess here, cuz I don't know, I'm gonna guess that the most likely scenario is that in the process of him speaking with Iranian intelligence officials, it is incidentally collected. Nobody is spying on Tucker Carlson or his inbox, to my knowledge at least. Number three, another myth. A warrant requirement, should it be required by law, is it's it for a simple query, that should be easy to get. Right? What's the problem? It's easy to get a warrant. We do it all the time. Would it be easy?

2:52:36 – 2:52:39

In my opinion, no. But you can

2:52:39 – 2:53:41

And and the reason it wouldn't be easy is because oftentimes these queries are part of a very typical analytical process, and they would not meet the judicial standards of probable cause. And I've seen many examples of this. I would love if you guys had some examples that are dis-classified. I've seen them in a classified session. So, I guess my my my point is, and now that we've debunked these myths, is You put that warrant process on a simple query, you're taking away our analysts' ability to connect the dots. To connect the dots from the outside actors, which we, we can collect on, they have no constitutional protections. But you're removing our ability to connect them with the inside actors, which is kind of where it matters. It's like, it's like giving up when you're, when you're, when you're right at the goal line. That makes zero sense to do and that's exactly what this would do. Do you d- uh, I've already, I've already heard Director Radcliffe's answer on this, but Eighteen months, uh, reauthoriza- clean reauthorization, does that, I don't know where that number came from, but is, would you rather have it longer?

2:53:41 – 2:53:44

As Director Ratcliffe said, I'd like five or ten years.

2:53:44 – 2:53:52

OK. Me too. Um. Well, we went over that really quickly and well. I yield back. Thank you.

2:53:53 – 2:53:54

Mister Hill.

2:53:56 – 2:55:13

Thank you, Chairman, thank you, panel, for being with us this morning. And, uh, let me start with Director Gabbard, you've heard from Mr. Stubbe, you've heard from Admiral Jackson, you've heard from Miss Tinney, all this aspect of who we've encountered at our borders, north and south. And during the Biden administration with the open border that has been overly discussed today at length, um, there's this known and suspected terrorist. And I want to congratulate the Trump administration for getting, I think, thirteen hundred people identified out of the country under your thirteen months. So congratulations on that. But for three years, Uh, in both classified and unclassified sessions here, I've raised this issue that we don't have the data and we don't track it in a fused way, meaning Border Patrol, TSA, FBI and follow-up, DOJ and prosecutions. And we don't really have that at our fingertips for oversight purposes. And I asked you at our last year's Worldwide Threats, would you commit to uh helping us achieve as the ODNI that fused data, you agreed, But it was only three days ago I got that commitment to uh from you in writing. So let me ask you again, can you help drive that process across the bureaucracy to get that regularly provided to the intelligence committees?

2:55:14 – 2:55:57

Uh, sir, thank you for the follow-up on that, we have continued to work to improve that consolidated um uh use of systems that will better help us identify who is in our country, who are known or suspected terrorists to include those who are members or leaders of cartels and gangs and drug traffickers. Uh and and we're continuing to uh we're continuing to pursue that, particularly with the Department of State and their screening and vetting practices as well as the Department of Homeland Security's. Uh I will say that there has been a drastic improvement in our own screening and vetting systems and that coordination is occurring, uh but there are still some silos that need to be broken down.

2:55:58 – 2:56:12

Also in in follow-up to the discussion today, I heard uh my friend from California, Mister Barra, assert that uh President Trump's action in Epic Fury was unconstitutional. Do you think it was unconstitutional, the decision taken by the president?

2:56:13 – 2:56:18

Uh, that's a legal question, sir, that I I believe has been asked and answered by uh the White House counsel.

2:56:19 – 2:56:25

But don't you think in uh Article Two Power on the War Powers Act, the president has the right to defend American interests, allied interests?

2:56:25 – 2:56:25

He does.

2:56:26 – 2:56:35

And he can do that for sixty days and do you did the president uh and you consult with the gang of eight in Congress before the president took uh military operations?

2:56:36 – 2:56:41

Uh, my understanding is the secretary of state uh fulfilled that responsibility.

2:56:41 – 2:57:54

Yep. I think that's clear. I don't recall President uh uh uh O- uh Obama, for example, declaring war for seven months of operations in Libya. So I think there's a lot of hypocrisy here as we try to defend American interests. Um Mister Klein asked you about and made a good comment I thought about, uh, and he talked to Director Patel about this, uh, on, um, this issue of Winter Shield and doing a better job of coordinating offensive and decem- uh defensive cyber here in the homeland. And I think that's another place, Director, where I think you should play an outsized role to coordinate again this issue of all, uh, operations. I'm very concerned that we don't have a fused, I'm gonna use that word again, civil defense posture on cyber defense because we're too compartmentalized. We're too siloed between who's with the military and not with the military, who's uh got classifications and who doesn't. Would you work with me on trying to design a way for our governors, our private sector, the FBI to work better on uh countering state actors in our private sector?

2:57:55 – 2:58:18

Uh, yes, sir. I I would look forward to working with you on that. Uh, and we'll just comment this would have to be done in conjunction with the Department of Homeland Security and CISA, given their statutory responsibilities. Uh, the integration and coordination with the private sector remains one of the biggest imperatives uh but also in some cases challenges uh for folks who choose not to work with the US government.

2:58:17 – 2:58:49

Yeah. I agree, I sit on the CISA, you know, subcommittee here and I just I'm very uh concerned about it. And I think our whole committee's been concerned about the assessment we have on offensive cyber, so we look forward to that. Uh, finally, uh, Director Radcliffe, thanks, uh, for you being here and it's wonderful to see you. Thanks for our decade of, of friendship. I wanna say that I've traveled significantly with, uh, the chairman to Latin America and I wanna say your stations throughout, uh, the Western Hemisphere are doing an outstanding job. Would you say that we're back on track countering, uh, great power rivals in the Western Hemisphere?

2:58:50 – 2:59:18

Uh, I would, thank you for the compliments for uh the workforce um that I'm privileged to lead. Uh, and I do think um the President's policies in making um the Western hemisphere a priority are really clear. Obviously the uh success of uh Operation Absolute Resolve. It's funny, uh Congressman, um no one's talking about Venezuela because things are going so well in Venezuela. Um, but it really shows the commitment that the

2:59:33 – 2:59:36

Thank you, and I thank all of you for your service to your country, and I yield back.

2:59:38 – 2:59:58

Thank you, Mr. Hill. Uh, before we dismiss, I'm gonna ask all members of the audience, all members and staff to remain seated until the witnesses have cleared. uh giving them an opportunity to uh proceed to our closed setting, which we will reconvene at eleven thirty to resume in HVC three O four.

2:59:58 – 2:59:59

Mm.

2:59:59 – 3:00:06

With that said, please remain seated until the witnesses have cleared and this proceeding is adjourned.

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