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Bills: Cashless Bail, Violent Offenders, Monitor Acct, Police Support, MilCon-VA

Tuesday, May 12, 2026

Summary

  • Rep. Biggs presented H.R. 5625 requiring the Attorney General to publicly list jurisdictions permitting cashless bail for violent and disorder offenses.
  • Andy Biggs said cashless bail fuels reoffending, citing a John Jay study that 72 percent of violent felons released without bail were rearrested.
  • Austin Scott pressed Jamie Raskin on denying cashless bail for murder and rape, while Raskin defended the federal risk-based pretrial detention system.
  • James McGovern condemned the police-week bills as partisan theater doing nothing for hiring, while Virginia Foxx praised transparency and support for law enforcement.
  • The Rules Committee will decide floor rules for H.R. 5625 and related police-week measures amid broader fights over crime policy and veterans funding.

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Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:54 – 8:35

Good afternoon. The committee will come to order without objection the chairs authorized to declare recess at any time. Today the Rules Committee is convening to consider five separate measures, H congres ninety-six, H R fifty-six, twenty-five, H R sixty-two, sixty, H R eighty-three, sixty-five and H R eighty-four, sixty-nine. First, we'll turn to HCON Res ninety-six, a concurrent resolution expressing cons- support for law enforcement. This week marks National Police Week, a week dedicated to honoring law enforcement officers who made the ultimate sacrifice in the line of duty, as well as to recognize those who continue to serve. This resolution honors the hard work, personal sacrifice, and often unacknowledged work carried out by law enforcement officers. It recognizes the undeniable reduction in crime that comes when law enforcement departments are respected and fully funded. Today and every day we should honor the brave men and women who work around the clock to keep our community safe. H. R. fifty-six twenty-five, the cashless bail reporting act would bring necessary and timely transparency for the American people by requiring publication of the jurisdictions that have cashless bail policies and laws. So Americans are aware of policies that affect their communities. Americans have the right to know if they're living in or near a community that permits people accused of certain violent crimes to be released, pending trial, on personal recognizance or non-secure appearance bomb. H. R. twenty s- H. R. sixty-two sixty But keeping violent offenders off our streets act reins in the Democrat soft-on-crime cashless bail policy by requiring bail bondsmen, including so-called, quote, charitable bail bonds, end quote, to adhere to common-sense accountability measures. Charitable bail bonds are organizations that use money from donations to help pay cash bail for defendants. Charitable bail bonds regularly post bail for individuals charged with violent felonies and previous convictions. This legislation amends the federal criminal statute dealing with insurance-related crimes to include the posting of bail by a corporate entity, non-profit entity, or for-profit entity as being, quote, "engaged in the business of insurance". Therefore, if a charitable bail bond is posting bail, it will be subject to the state licensing requirements and oversight by state insurance commissions to insure accountability for charitable bail bonds that break the law. H. R. eighty-three sixty-five, the Monitor Accountability Act, would set a series of defined terms and expectations for federal court monitors. Court monitors are independent oversight officials appointed through agreements between a government agency and a public or private entity, often in response to concerns involving civil rights violations, fraud allegations, misconduct or regulatory violations. Although court monitors are intended to operate independently from both the government and the monitored entity, this independence has raised concerns in practice, particularly regarding cost, duration and accountability, in long-running consent decree regimes. In some cases, monitorships have remained in place for more than a decade, prompting debate over whether their role is to ensure compliance or to sustain managerial control of agency operations. The reforms contained within this legislation set clear expectations for time-limited oversight, ensuring that federal monitorships are not indefinite. Finally, H R eighty-four sixty-nine, the Military Construction, Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of twenty twenty-seven provides a total discretionary allocation of one hundred and fifty-seven billion, which is nearly four billion above the FY twenty-six enacted level. In addition, the bill provides three hundred and twenty-three point nine billion for mandatory programs, for a total of four hundred and sixty-nine point four nine billion in overall funding. This package allocates ninety million in additional funding for design of barracks and child development centers, vital for the quality of life for service members and their families, to address barrack deficiencies identified by the Government Accountability Office. Further, it provides four hundred and fifty point two nine billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs, which is eighty-three point six billion above the FYE enacted level, to fully fund veterans' medical care and to fully fund veterans' benefits and toxic exposure related needs. We can and should pass this legislation on a bipartisan basis to support the nation's veterans and their families. With that, I now yield to the ranking member, Mister McGovern, for any comments he wishes

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)8:35 – 13:53

Well, thank you, Madam Chair. Um, today we are considering the military construction of Veterans Affairs funding bill as well as a package of bills that Republicans are advancing that pays lip service to law enforcement but does nothing to address their actual concerns. These bills are simply a half-assed attempt to paint Democrats as soft on crime while advancing lousy legislation that will not make our cities and our towns safer. now here's how you know uh that this is all political theater there is a resolution on the floor right now to honor law enforcement officers and commemorate those killed in the line of duty it has broad bipartisan support from both democrats and republicans but that is not the resolution we're considering here in the rules committee tonight because apparently for the radical right it wasn't good enough to honor the police in a bipartisan way So now we also have to advance a separate partisan resolution filled with lies attacking Democrats. That's the resolution that's before the Rules Committee right now. And I think that just says so much about what this place has turned into. Partisanship for the sake of partisanship. It's pathetic. And I would just say to my friends on the other side, people don't like it when you use them. And that is exactly what Republicans have turned police weak into. you drag out support for law enforcement once a year you use the police like props and then you discard them once you're you're done with all the photo ops and the press conferences nothing in these bills not a thing will actually address the public safety concerns that i hear about back home like more funding for cities and towns to hire more cops you guys wanna spend a billion dollars on a ballroom and you come up here talking about supporting the police and you come up with a bunch of bills that do nothing to actually support the police no additional funding uh to hire police or to provide uh communities with the funding to be able to get uh state of the art equipment let me tell you something talk is cheap and nothing in these bills deals with the number one thing i hear about back home and that is the issue of affordability Just this morning the Wall Street Journal reported that inflation is rising, thanks to Trump's policies, the highest rate in three years, because of the tariffs and because of the war. I had a town hall meeting this weekend, and people are pissed off about inflation. They come up to me uh at event after event to talk about it. And I tell them to call the White House and call Speaker Mike Johnson's office to complain. Because that's who's to blame for gas and food prices going up because of the tariffs and because of this illegal war now it doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on here the economy is great for billionaires the price gougers and giant corporations they're all doing great but it's not working for the people who actually keep this country running it's not working for families struggling to make ends meet or the parents who have to pick between gas and groceries before the next paycheck comes in and instead of trying to bring down the cost of living instead of fighting inflation? Republicans are doing the opposite. They're making it worse. They ripped health care for millions, cut food assistance for kids, veterans and seniors, and raised the price of everything from utilities to groceries, all to give tax breaks to their billionaire donors and rubber-stamp every one of Trump's stupid ideas, including his tariffs, his war, and now his billion-dollar ballroom. one other thing that i would like to point out madam chair we are apparently also going to consider a rule today to detach an e fifteen provision from the farm bill a provision that would cost billions because it handed over a taxpayer dollars to you guessed it the oil industry but just remember speaker johnson told one group of republicans that e fifteen would get its own vote and he added and he and and be added to the farm bill And then he told another group the exact opposite. What a great strategy. The problem with making multiple shady backroom deals is that sometimes the people in the different shady backrooms actually talk to each other. So now, after all the all that time wasted coming up with a rule that combined E fifteen with the farm bill we are now going to waste more time on a new rule to separate it out again and I'm surprised quite frankly that midwestern republicans this new strategy from the speaker because it really is just a way to ensure that the senate never ever ever takes it up but that's your problem now uh but that's how this place works thanks to republicans promises made promises broken republicans break promises to their own members they break promises to the american people they cannot govern they cannot keep their word and while they stumble from one internal meltdown to the next The rest of us keep paying the price. And with that, I yield back.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)13:54 – 14:34

Thank you, Mister McGovern. Without objection, any prepared statements that our witnesses may have will be included in the record. I now welcome our first panel, Chairman Carter and Representative Washerman-Schultz, from the Committee on Appropriations. Your full statement will be submitted for the record. We ask that you summarize your statement in five minutes. And Representative Schultz, let me assure you, you didn't miss anything. We just went ahead with our opening statements so as to save time, but I assure you, we you didn't miss anything. Chairman Carter, I welcome your testimony.

Rep. Carter (TX-31)14:34 – 18:06

Uh, thank you, Madam Chairman, and thank you, Madam Chairman Fox and thank you, Member McGovern and the members of the committee for the opportunity to be here for you today. to discuss the final year twenty twenty seven military construction veterans affairs and related agencies appropriations bill i wanna thank appropriations chairman cole for his leadership in getting this bill to the committee also want to recognize ranking member and full committee members miss delario and ranking member of the subcommittee wasselman schultz for their help in getting us to this point i value my relationship with mrs. wasselman schultz as i have said before while i know we don't agree on everything in the bill we do agree on the importance of taking care of those who sacrifice so much for each of us while it's not perfect the legislation before us today receives you receive unanimous support out of our committee i greatly appreciate the bipartisan efforts of all those involved the efforts show bipartisanship is not only possible but yields legislative success i acknowledge the we can agree the on the importance of supporting our troops their families and the nation's veterans. For fiscal year twenty twenty seven, the military construction, veterans affairs and related agency bill discretionary allocation is one hundred and fifty-seven billion. I want to briefly highlight some of the priority priorities of this bill. First, and most importantly, we fully fund veterans' health care. We provide in advance for toxic explosion fund include we include nine hundred million for medical and prosthetic research we address long-standing concerns of mental health homelessness and among our veteran population this bill includes over nineteen million for military construction invests in barracks deficiencies boosters investment in dod laboratories assists in demolishing absolute infrastructure provides nearly two billion for milit in military housing in closing this bill supports those of us who have sacrificed for our country and served us well and maintain our commitment to them as well as being for both service members and for veterans. I look forward to working with all of you as this bill moves forward. Again, I want to thank you for considering amendments to the bill for members of both sides. I appreciate your time and opportunity to testify today. i yield back

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)18:07 – 18:12

gentleman yields back and now recognize representative wasserman schultz for five minutes

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)18:12 – 22:43

thank you mr. chairman and i wanna also thank chairwoman fox ranking member govern and i'm really pleased to be able to be here to testify as ranking member of the milcon va appropriation subcommittee on the fiscal year twenty twenty seven military construction veterans affairs and related agencies appropriations bill the past few years the milcon va bill strayed from our usual tradition of being one of the few appropriations bills that had bipartisan support. Our committee has a shared goal of supporting our service members, veterans and their families, no matter who holds the majority. We are very proud to report that as the bill currently stands, this is a bipartisan bill, one we reported out of full committee fifty eight to zero. I wanna share with you how rare that is these days, and the effort that was made on both sides of the aisle to make sure that that vote was possible. Each side made compromises. Each side swallowed things that perhaps they didn't like or left things out that perhaps they would have preferred be in the bill. But making sure that we can come together and be unified in standing up for our service members and our veterans and their families is absolutely critical. And I really want to thank Chair Carter for his partnership in writing this bill and doing his best to keep the bill clear of controversial, unrelated policy writers that in the past have kept us from supporting this bill. I hope that as this committee considers amendments to this bill, that members of the Rules Committee uphold the bipartisan commitment that we both made, Chair Carter and I, and that if any controversial provisions are added, I want to make it clear that we will not be able to support this bill going forward. Overall, the bill is a good one. It fully funds health care for veterans at a time when health care costs are on the rise, and demand for VA services continues to increase. As PACT Act claims increase, we must do all that we can to keep our promise to provide health care to our toxic exposure veterans. This is why it is critical that we advanced fund the Toxic Exposures Fund, or the TEF. I appreciate Chair Carter's willingness to work with me at the full committee mark-up to ensure that this bill includes fifty-three point seven billion dollars in advance funding for the TEF. The bill also provides sufficient funding for barracks, child development centers, and PFAS remediation, which is critical in ensuring readiness and troop morale. Most importantly, as I mentioned eal- earlier, it does not carry offensive culture war riders, riders that were total non-starters in years past. The bill also maintains certain provisions that reclaim Congress's power of the purse, provisions that we believe, uh, we all can support, as this administration continues to bypass our exclusive constitutional role in appropriations. However, however, I do want to be clear that this is not the bill that I would have written, and it contains some funding and language decisions that I would not have made. But, in spite of that, I voted yes anyway, and I encouraged my colleagues to do the same. The most problematic provision is section four thirteen, the next writer. Long-standing federal law requires that VA report a benefic- reported beneficiary that has been deemed mentally incompetent based on medical evidence and therefore is assigned a fiduciary to protect them in handling their finances to the National Instant Criminal Background Check system. This provision prevents this reporting, and it is in violation of the law. In addition to this provision, I oppose the funding level for the NATO security investment program. This bill keeps the funding equal to last year, but it is a hundred and twenty-two million dollars below the request level. Now more than ever we should be reinforcing deterrence with the help of our European allies who disproportionately fund this program, especially as the war in Ukraine continues. But there are instances in which we have to vote against our preference. One should never vote against your principle. But someth- sometimes we cast a vote against our preference to achieve a greater good. And I believe that this bill accomplishes that, which is why I support it, and I wanna thank the members of this committee for your consideration of our bill, thank Terry Carter for his friendship, and for for really being a remarkable colleague to work with. We each endeavor, no matter who is in the roles that we hold now, to work together closely to make sure that we can have as much consensus as possible. And as it stands now, this bill is a bipartisan one, and I am hopeful that we can keep it that way. What a message we could send about our ability to work together if the House votes unanimously for this MilKom VA bill which I am hopeful that we will be able to. Thank you. I yield back the balance of my time.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)22:44 – 22:51

Thank you very much. I now recognize the gentle lady, uh, Miss Fischbach, for her um questioning um

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)22:52 – 23:08

well i just wanna say thank you so much for bringing the bill forward bi-personally i appreciate that and i especially appreciate the full funding for the va medical um medical care and um and so i just wanna say thank you thank you for bringing it forward we're excited that uh

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)23:06 – 23:06

thanks

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)23:08 – 23:15

um excited we can say we have a bipartisan bill and when you when you said that it was fifty four zero i had a chuckle fifty eight excuse me

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)23:13 – 23:14

fifty eight

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)23:15 – 23:34

and you said that's unusual and i kinda uh yeah so i i really appreciate the hard work that it came forward but i think this is a topic that we really can come together on because we all do care that our v uh that our veterans are taken care of and that our our military has the proper housing so thank you and i plan on supporting it and i yield back

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)23:35 – 23:39

Kennedy yields back now recognizes the ranking remember Mister McGovern for his time of questioning and comment

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)23:39 – 24:43

well thank you i thank you for both being here and uh and although i appreciate that this bill does not have many of the culture war policy writers that have plagued the process uh they plagued the process last year uh i'm very bothered that this bill continues to prevent the v a from reporting a beneficiary to the national instant uh criminal background check system this policy blocks the v a from helping keep guns out of the hands of people who are already prohibited under federal law for purchasing or possessing firearms and nearly five thousand veterans die from suicide with a gun every year uh we all should be ashamed that this bill undermines an an effective tool that can keep uh veterans safe and so miss wasterman schultz i i know that you share my concern about this provision can you talk about whether any progress has been made to remove this provision from the bill or other policy ideas uh that uh that you have to ensure that we protect at-risk veterans from harming themselves or others

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)24:44 – 25:18

and i thank the ranking member for your question and i definitely share your concern um uh congresswoman escobar of texas did offer an amendment to strike this provision in during our full appropriations mark-up and it was not successful um in in spite of that and and she is offering an amendment here in the rules committee as well um in spite of that as i said in my opening remarks it was important for us to try to come together and make compromise this bill doesn't look like it would if i if i were the chair but

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)25:17 – 25:17

right

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)25:18 – 25:35

it it was important to send a very strong message that because there was an effort made to make sure that we could have as much consensus as possible um that we have an opportunity to really demonstrate the example of trying to come together

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)25:33 – 25:34

yes

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)25:35 – 25:51

uh and i'm i'm also concerned that the bill does not sufficiently fund our commitments to nato um Uh, can you, Mr. Walsher-Michels, can you, you know, explain why why is this NATO funding important and what funding level would you like to see as the process moves forward?

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)25:51 – 27:48

So the bill does drastically underfund the NATO security investment program. It's actually funded at a hundred and twenty-two million dollars below the President's request. And I know this was not the fault of the Chairman. Uh, he was working under diffi- difficult circumstances with a very low allocation. and an incredibly late budget request that really resulted in the funding levels that we have in this bill. I know we would have all per- preferred to have a much more robust allocation. I supported the bill at a full committee because I knew we would be able to work together on a bipartisan basis to fully fund this program in conference the current funding level of the bill is insufficient um so we should certainly not be cutting the program even further uh cuts to this program would renege on our commitment to our allies and would undermine our own troops in Europe. A very significant portion of the projects funded by the NSIP either directly or indirectly support American troops stationed in or traveling through Europe. Cutting funding for NSIP would be fiscally irresponsible. The US only pays for around fifteen percent of these projects, many of which directly replace what would otherwise be a US military construction bur- construction burden directly replace what would otherwise be a US military construction burden. These requirements wouldn't simply go away just because some members see any Instead, without joint joint NSIP funding, our commanders in Europe would have to consider other ways of meeting these requirements at a greater expense to US taxpayers since the NSIP program is disproportionately funded by our allies abroad. In fact, even this administration has recognized the value of the program and the return on investment each American dollar provides. The administration has once again requested to fully fund the program and meet US commitments for NATO infrastructure. So, uh i would urge our colleagues to oppose any amendment which would cut funding further from ncip and i would expect that this would be a a topic of discussion when we reach the conference process

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)27:48 – 27:50

thank you very much thank you both i yield back

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)27:50 – 27:50

thank you

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)27:51 – 29:43

gentleman yields back now recognize myself for my five minutes of questioning and comment and uh judge carter i'm uh i'm happy to work with you you may have seen the same thing i did on the next language here's my problem with it. I practiced for nearly thirty years, uh, in a small town practice of law. And I've represented a lot of people who came in to do things. And a lot of times what happens, because there's not a court that's made a decision when we're dealing with the VA, uh, benefits, a lot of times what happens is you've got somebody who is older and decides they just don't want to deal with their finances anymore, they may be living with a child. Or it could be somebody like me, and I'm not a veteran, but if I were, I've turned over all our finances, cuz I'm running up and down the road all the time, to my wife. And what happens with the VA's form is I could very willingly have signed over my rights, you know, hey, you take care of it, son, or you take care of it, honey. Here, I'll sign the form at the VA so you can do all my financial stuff. And the next thing I know, I'm not able to go turkey hunting. Because they've, they've told me I can't buy a gun, I can't get a gun, I'm not supposed to be. And and that's the disconnect. I'm very concerned about the the uh military suicides. I think that's a serious concern. And while the system's not perfect, as you know, you know, former judge, there can be a finding that somebody is a danger to themselves or to others. And then in that case, absolutely it needs to go to the next system. But if it's just somebody who for because they're very busy with lots of other things, whether it be their business concerns, or something else or they're just you know living with a family member and decide it's just you know they wanna be able to do their day-to-day stuff and not have to deal with the finances that shouldn't automatically keep you from being able to purchase a weapon would you agree with me

Rep. Carter (TX-31)29:43 – 29:44

yes sir i agree with you

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)29:45 – 29:46

and and ms.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)29:45 – 29:45

yeah

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)29:46 – 30:18

Wasserman-Schultz i appreciate your your whole attitude on this and i'm happy to work with people to try to come up with language if there's if there is a need to work with the va and work with others to come up with a language that's somewhere in between because i don't want the folks who who are just doing it for financial reasons because it's easier for them uh they travel a lot or whatever but also recognize that some of these folks may be slipping through the cracks and maybe they do need a determination of uh being a danger to themselves or to others so that's that's the fine line we have to get and that's why we get

Rep. Carter (TX-31)30:17 – 30:18

right

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)30:18 – 30:34

the language that we have in in the bill and just striking that out doesn't solve the problem but over the course of the next year i'm happy to work with anybody to try to come up correct language to try to protect our veterans if they are in fact having some kind of mental health issues.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)30:34 – 30:35

Right.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)30:35 – 30:43

But if it's just finances, we can't be taking away their right to, uh, go hunting, uh, for deer or squirrel or turkey or whatever.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)30:44 – 31:07

Uh, I would look forward to working with you. The problem here is that this is a straightforward comprehensive prohibition from referring a veteran to the NICS system. And I wanna just be clear, if the veteran believes that the determination is wrong, they have a right to apply. if a veteran veteran believes that they were wrongly reported to next, they can have their rights restored through the court system. That is part of the process. So,

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)31:08 – 31:10

But here's the, here's the flip side of that.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)31:08 – 31:09

uh, uh, blanket provision.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)31:10 – 31:17

What you do is you, you take somebody who, uh, unaware of this law, signs over their financial rights.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)31:17 – 31:17

Mm-hmm.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)31:17 – 31:47

They haven't gone to court at all. And the next thing is to get their gun rights back, then they have to spend the money to get an attorney to go to court to declare that they're not a danger to themselves when it was only financial to begin with. So we've got to figure out a way to work it out and and I I recognize your concern uh but I also know that unfortunately what because the VA just blanket did it with everybody who turned over their finances to somebody else it was just a form you fill out, basically.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)31:48 – 31:49

No, m- that's true.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)31:48 – 31:54

Sometimes the VA will step in and say we want you to do it, but sometimes it's just you've done it as a matter of of of a

Rep. Carter (TX-31)31:54 – 31:54

If

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)31:54 – 31:55

if you wouldn't

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)31:55 – 31:57

of a um a matter of uh of convenience

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)31:57 – 32:00

if you wouldn't mind my just correcting the record this is this is

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)31:58 – 32:00

yeah sure yeah absolutely

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)32:00 – 32:20

actually and and i appreciate your openness to working on this there's an extensive bureaucratic process in place to protect veterans especially those who have been deemed incapacitated or mentally incompetent to determine when a fiduciary is needed it it's not just i mean there's a very it's not a determination that's made lightly it's not just a form that gets filled out and you know

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)32:19 – 32:23

and and maybe that's changed and you can show that to me but i know that i practiced with

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)32:22 – 32:22

sure

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)32:24 – 32:42

with people who just turned it all over because it was just easier to do and they they was not i mean maybe somebody handed them a form but they weren't uh in a position to either they didn't pay attention or they didn't feel like paying attention to all the forms and they just signed it over and away it goes is that am i wrong

Rep. Carter (TX-31)32:42 – 34:26

no i i i agree with what you say but in in addition to that i i represent fort hood and when we started having these folks coming back all the problems that they were having we we tried to get them professionals that understood them and they would tell they think those professionals they respected their opinion but the the the shrink or whatever you wanna call them they didn't have any experience with the military we that's what we had to get in there because they're just not that many people that had that kind of experience, and they didn't trust anything, those people did. And they were very, very vocal about they don't understand us, they don't understand what we went through, they can't make a judgment on us. And and remembering all that that I went through twenty, fifteen years ago, and and then all the work I did trying to get, you know, people with this kind of experience they did which were very very few i realized that it could someone who didn't understand the soldier wouldn't understand his competency and it's not a it's not a fully informed uh professional that doesn't understand the military and i thought all this together with the things you said i just don't think it's fair for that that person to be able to deprive someone of their constitutional right

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)34:27 – 34:35

yeah and and uh now you know if i'm if i've got it all wrong you feel free to tell me but we'll try to work on it over the course of the next

Rep. Carter (TX-31)34:35 – 34:45

and if we could get better psychological people they could talk to them and we're working on that i'm telling you we are the military is but

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)34:45 – 34:46

and hopefully and i'll uh

Rep. Carter (TX-31)34:46 – 34:47

it's very difficult

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)34:47 – 34:53

i'm will yield back but hopefully we'll uh be able to use uh telemedicine for that too i'm a big proponent of that and that

Rep. Carter (TX-31)34:53 – 34:54

you

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)34:54 – 34:59

yeah that's true that can get us the right people in a lot of different places without having to have them travel all over the country

Rep. Carter (TX-31)34:59 – 35:00

that's right absolutely

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)35:00 – 35:07

i appreciate it very much thank you both and i yield back and now recognize gentlelady from pennsylvania miss scanlon for her five minutes or thereabouts

Rep. Carter (TX-31)35:01 – 35:02

thank you so much

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)35:08 – 37:37

thereabouts thank you chairman um ranking member wasterman schultz and and our chair i greatly appreciate the efforts you've made to make this a bipartisan bill I mean obviously we all strive towards that goal um and I do understand representative Wasserman Schultz that you were able to mitigate some of the more outrageous nonsense that some folks uh wanted to include in the MilKom VA bill uh I am concerned that the package still falls way short of what's needed to adequately fund our military bases NATO and veterans healthcare very concerned about this ban on the NICS reporting because um we have a lot of veterans in Pennsylvania we have a lot of concerns about uh veteran suicide and this has been an important tool in preventing veteran suicide um so at any rate glad you were able to make bipartisan progress here um although it may not be the bill that that many of us would prefer um but as this bill kicks off the twenty twes twenty-seven appropriations process. Um, we once again see that there is a split in the party's priorities, if our budgets reflect those priorities, and concerned that as we're heading towards the introduction of a one point five trillion, I believe, trillion with a T, bill for the Department of Defense, that our colleagues are prepared to light hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on fire for wasteful defense spending and unlawful ICE activities. and then wanna use that wasteful spending and the national deficit that exploded as a result of their big ugly bill last summer as an excuse to cut funding for vital programs that americans rely upon like funding for healthcare and medical research and education and housing i mean we are seeing that in their spending bills our republican colleagues would rather build massive ice detention uh camps and ballrooms uh rather than new homes And we're seeing they'd rather put more masked and armed federal agents on American streets without meaningful protections for citizens than making the necessary investments for our troops and veterans and their families. So I I wish that we could get um the bipartisan uh buy-in across a broader spectrum of bills, but um obviously want to uh recognize the effort that went into this one.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)37:37 – 37:38

Thank you.

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)37:38 – 37:39

So thank you, I yield back.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)37:39 – 37:45

Thank you. gentleman yields back now recognize the gentleman from georgia minister scott for his five minutes question

Rep. Scott (GA-8)37:46 – 37:56

thank you mr. chairman and um jerry and i can remember i wanna go back to uh what you said the vote was what was what was the vote counting committee

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)37:56 – 37:57

fifty eight to zero

Rep. Scott (GA-8)37:57 – 39:27

fifty eight to zero and i assume there were multitude of amendments and other things and um i just i just wanna reiterate the the need for the committee process and the use of the committee process to get things done around here and i appreciate the fact that you used the process the process was successful and and you know this is this is what happens in the right when when when you do that and so members get to have their votes on their amendments and i intend to vote for this rule and this legislation and uh this is where these discussions need to be pad not the rules committee but in your committee where people bring the amendments and so i appreciate the way the committee has been run um and the fact that you are able to get to a unanimous vote among the members it shows that you as the chair and the ranking member respect those chairs and the process works under your leadership uh i also wanna affiliate myself with uh mister griffiths remarks about um when a veteran would be put into into that system i mean they shouldn't be put in the system and then have fight to get their rights back and so um i mean i i just i just again wanna urge caution as we as we push forward there i i don't want them to have to fight to get their rights back their rights that uh they have earned uh with that said i'll yield back to the chair but i have a few

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)39:26 – 39:33

before before you yield back do you mind if i i'm not gonna respond on the next thing i just wanna know

Rep. Scott (GA-8)39:33 – 39:33

ok

Rep. Jack (GA-3)39:34 – 39:34

go ahead

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)39:34 – 39:47

i i i really thank you for the kind words i agree think we both agree that the committee process is the best place for those of us that serve on the committee that have the expertise in these in the subject matter of the committee

Rep. Scott (GA-8)39:47 – 39:50

more importantly for the citizens of the united states

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)39:49 – 39:51

yes absolutely

Rep. Scott (GA-8)39:50 – 39:52

because it's where the expertise is

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)39:52 – 40:27

yes and so you will hear uh in that spirit you will have a lot of amendments that are proposed today um that i would implore you to carefully consider and not upset the apple cart with by adding culture war writers and controversial items that we considered that the chairman considered you know when when crafting the bill and that we carefully considered and were able to come together to ensure that a bipartisan result was possible

Rep. Scott (GA-8)40:28 – 40:35

well i have i have heard the chair call been Carefully, I've heard you called a lot of things, the Liberals never been one of them.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)40:35 – 40:35

Nope.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)40:36 – 40:40

So I'm I'm assuming that whatever it came out of the committee with is probably pretty good.

Rep. Wasserman Schultz (FL-25)40:40 – 40:42

Definitely not calling him a liberal, I can assure you.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)40:43 – 40:49

So I I appreciate both of you. Uh, Chairman, I especially appreciate your long tenure here in your service, and with that I yield back.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)40:50 – 40:55

Gentleman yields back. Now recognize the other gentleman from Georgia, Mister Jack, for his time.

Rep. Jack (GA-3)40:55 – 42:20

Thank you, Mister Chairman, and I echo uh my colleague, the Dean of our Delegations. uh thoughts and and fifty eight to zero is um an incredible number and uh one that uh that makes me wonder why we're not doing this on suspension but none the less here we are um but i just uh judge i wanna thank you uh for your leadership and i just wanna note too you know with respect to my district i i do not represent a um a formal um military installation or base but i do represent armies across my national guard armories and um in some cases they have housing associated and because of that i'm sure funds from this are gonna flow to that so it's just it's a healthy reminder that on the mil con side many of us can touch it and of course on the veterans side veterans affairs um we all have uh va service centers and clinics across our district so you are your leadership both of you are helping make um my constituents um receive the benefits that they earn and uh receive the honor of the service that they carried for this country so um grateful for your leadership and uh appreciate uh you being here on a a flying day and with that i will yield back to our chairman mr. griffith thank you very much uh gentleman yields back that concludes the members uh questions and comments and so we will release the first panel and i believe we're gonna have take just a few seconds so you all can leave them and then we'll start with the second panel sounds good

Rep. Carter (TX-31)42:20 – 42:39

i'll leave it with one comment when we had the uh vote i wasn't expecting it to be unanimous and i was shocked and uh very proud of the fact we were able to put together a unanimous bill thank you

Rep. Jack (GA-3)42:39 – 42:42

thank you right yes

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)43:17 – 43:34

I now welcome our second panel, representative Biggs and ranking member Raskin. from the committee on judiciary. I know I saw um Representative Raskin stick his head in a minute ago, so I know he's close by. And uh

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)43:34 – 43:35

Here he is.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)43:36 – 43:49

Your full statement will be submitted for the record and we ask that you summarize your statement in five minutes. Welcome. And Representative Biggs, you are now recognized for your testimony.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)43:52 – 51:12

Thank you, Mister Chairman, and as you know, this week is National Police Week, so it's fitting that we're considering these four measures that support law enforcement and promote public safety. Legislation like this is increasingly important because we need to show the men and women in law enforcement that this body supports their mission and appreciates their service. Sixty-four years ago, President John F. Kennedy signed a proclamation which designated May fifteenth as Peace Officer's Memorial Day. And the week in which that date falls as Police Week. Thousands of law enforcement officers are visiting Washington, D. C. D. C. this week to honor their colleagues who have made the ultimate sacrifice while bravely and selflessly serving their communities. Among those is Apache Junction Police Officer Gabriel Fascio, who was killed in the line of duty just a little over a year ago, May sixth, twenty twenty five. The first measure I'll discuss is House Concurrent Resolution ninety-six which expresses support which is Expressing support for law enforcement officers. This is a resolution I think everyone in this body can can and should support. It expresses support for law enforcement officers and recognizes the risks and sacrifices they make to keep American communities safe. It criticizes efforts to defund police departments and anti-police rhetoric from radical activists and some politicians even. Finally, this resolution commends the Trump administration for restoring law and order which has contributed to the lowest homicide rate, in over a century and the lowest overdose deaths since twenty nineteen. I think these are all easy facts and ideas to support and I hope that there will be a bipartisan vote supporting this measure. Second is H R fifty-six twenty-five the cashless bail reporting act. Again, this is another piece of legislation that should receive bipartisan support. It was approved by a voice vote ad committee mark-up, and I don't recall hearing any major reservations about it. Americans should know which jurisdictions have enacted dangerous and irresponsible cashless bail policies when deciding where to live, work, or travel. The Cashless Bail Reporting Act requires the Attorney General to list publicly those jurisdictions that permit cashless bail for individuals accused of certain crimes. These crimes include those involving a violent or sexual act such as murder, rape, sexual assault, carjacking, robbery, burglary, and assault, as well as public disorder offenses such as looting, vandalism, destruction of property, rioting or inciting to riot, or fleeing from a law enforcement officer. We know violent criminals released on cashless or artificially low bail have reoffended. For example, in Waukesha, Wisc- Wisconsin, Darrell Brooks was released on a thousand dollar bond after running over a woman with a vehicle despite a lengthy criminal history and an outstanding warrant. Brooks was previously charged with aggravated battery and had an outstanding warrant in Nevada after skipping bail for a sex-related crime. On November twenty-one twenty-twenty-one, Brooks drove through a Christmas parade injuring more than fifty individuals and killing six, one of whom was an eight year old child. Further, a March twenty twenty third study by researchers at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice found that approximately seventy-two percent of violent felony offenders who were released without bail were re-arrested. Informing Americans which jurisdictions have implemented these irrational and irresponsible policies is just common sense. The third measure is H. R. sixty-two sixty, to keeping violent offenders off our Streets Act of twenty twenty five. H. R. sixty two sixty defines bail bonds as insurance products, which subjects them to federal insurance fraud laws and allows states to enact licensing requirements for corporate for-profit and non-profit entities, that post bail on behalf of defendants. This bill also prohibits charitable bail funds from making materially false statements in any financial reports or documents sent to an insurance, regulatory official or agency. Charitable bail funds regularly post bail for individuals charged with violent felonies and previous convictions. For example, a CNN investigation in twenty twenty-three found that in Indiana, from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty-one, twenty-four percent of the roughly one thousand defendants cut loose by the bail project among the largest charitable charitable bail groups in the United States, had been charged with a crime of violence. Thirty-five percent were facing felony charges and had a previous charge of at least one crime of violence. H. R. sixty-two sixty will insure accountability for charitable bail funds that break the law. For example, charitable bail funds and their agents could more easily be prosecuted for embezzling or misappropriating the fund's money. The criminal penalties associated with the violation of this section vary by the specific offense, but generally include both a fine and a prison term not exceeding fifteen years. Additionally, as charitable bail funds would be " engaged in the business of insurance", under federal law, this bill would subject them to state licensing requirements and regulation and oversight by State insurance commissions. The final bill is HR th- eighty-three sixty-five, the Monitor Accountability Act. As you may know, monitors oversee compliance with consent decrees and settlements. When the federal government enters into a consent decree or other settlement with a state or local government, a monitor is appointed by the court to implement and monitor compliance with the terms of the consent decree or court order. Courts p- courts appoint monitors on a case-by-case basis under individual consent decrees and enforcement agrees- agreements resulting in a variable number of active monitors at any given time. H. R. eighty-three sixty-five would place conditions on a district court's appointment of a monitor of a state or unit of local government. These conditions include a cap on fees, a term limit on the monitors and judges overseeing monitor cases, public comment on the selection of the monitor, and providing a public accounting of the activities of the monitor. In several cases, monitorships have remained in place for a decade or longer. The tenure of some monitors has prompted debate over whether this oversight remains narrowly focused on ensuring compliance with the consent decree, or if it expands into sustained managerial control of agency operations. The tenure of longer-serving monitors has also raised concerns regarding cost, duration, and accountability of monitors. Some court monitors have amassed a great deal of wealth at the taxpayers' expense and have no incentive to con- to conclude their monitorships. For example, Maricopa County, Arizona, the monitorship of the County Sheriff offices cost the taxpayers almost three hundred and fifty million dollars since twenty thirteen. Since it began, about thirty-two million dollars has been paid directly to the monitor's firm. The same monitor has been accused of charging exorbitant fees without producing results in similar monitoring duties in New York, California, Michigan, and Louisiana. To be clear, this bill does not end monitors. It only requires that a fresh set of eyes is placed on jurisdictions subject to a monitor. And let me give credit where credit is due, and I I'm not going to go through the entire letter, but uh I agreed with very little of the Biden-Harris administration, but this Biden, uh, excuse me, this bill attempts to codify reforms based on five core principles, first proposed by the Biden-Harris administration under the um stewardship of former U. S. Attorney General Merrick Garland and and uh I would like to include that record uh that letter is part of the record. In twenty

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)51:12 – 51:14

Not objection? So ordered.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)51:14 – 51:39

In twenty twenty one the Department of Justice reviewed monitor practices and proposed reforms. Those reforms include applying a series of principles that included limiting costs and conflicts of interest, ensuring monitor's accountability, compliance uh compliance assessment, community engagement, and efficient reform. That's what this bill, the Monitor Accountability Act, does. I look forward to your questions and I'll yield back, Mister Chairman.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)51:41 – 51:45

Gentleman yields back, and now I'll recognize Ranking Member Raskin for your time.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)51:45 – 1:01:08

Hey, thank you, Mister Griffith, and um greetings to all the distinguished members of the Rules Committee. Uh, it's Pe- Police Week when Congress uh, is accustomed to honor the Federal, State, Local and Tribal law enforcement officers who put their bodies and their lives on the line for us every day. and by uh recognizing the many challenges that officers across America face in their work. Law enforcement officers confront danger, uh investigate and help derail crimes, connect vis victims with resources, and work closely with State and Federal partners to oppose criminal networks. Congress should do everything that we can to support their important work. We should make sure that officers get the training and resources they need, that Federal agencies are supporting State and local crime-fighting, and the groups which partner with law enforcement to provide training, technical expertise, and victim support are also well-funded. But our colleagues have alas offered up four bills that do nothing to keep officers safe or help them carry out their jobs more effectively. This week package contains a non-binding and a polemical partisan resolution that does nothing other than try to score cheap partisan points. The least problematic bill, H. R. five six two five, the Cashless Bail Reporting Act is a relatively straightforward and minor transparency measure that directs the Attorney General to publish a list of jurisdictions that permit cashless bail. While this bill is not problematic on its face, I do think it important to uh remind everyone that bail is not a mechanism for punishment in our system. Uh, in America, whether you're a President or a Pope or a Popper, you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable bout doubt as to every element of the charged offense. And no one should be detained pretrial simply because they don't have the financial resources to post bail. The Federal Courts recognize this basic principle that we hold people only because of the danger of flight or violence to other people. The Federal Courts uh release pretrial defendants on cashless bail every single day. If my colleagues, um, would like to study bail policies around the country, they should ask for a report assessing how each jurisdiction handles pretrial criminal defendants. Instead, they're asking for a list focused exclusively on jurisdictions that like Federal courts use cashless bail. The information is already publicly available and known, but, uh, this resolution would have the DOJ compile the information for them. I suppose that's fine and accordingly I do not oppose this bill. Uh, HR six two six O, keeping violent offenders off our streets act of twenty twenty-five, is a different story. This bill would redefine the business of insurance to include the posting of monetary bail criminal bail bonds and federal immigration bail bonds. My, uh, GOP colleagues have billed this legislation as vaguely pro-police although they've yet to show how it would support the nefer- the efforts of our nation's law enforcement officers or address their needs. What it would actually do is discourage or even destroy non-profit bail funds that raise money for people who cannot afford to pay bail by themselves. These organizations try to address the clear injustice that results when wealthy people can pay their way out of jail, while poor people are held in jail, pending trial on minor nonviolent criminal charges for no reason other than their inability to pay the bail amount set by the court. This bill will do nothing to keep our communities and law enforcement safer, and I strongly oppose this one. H. R. eighty-three sixty-five, the Monitor Accountability Act, appears to be a rearguard attack on federal monitorships nationwide. Federal monitorships are a critical tool for judges to ensure compliance with court orders. settlement agreements and consent decrees, and to remedy entrenched violations of federal law, especially in matters of civil rights, policing, detention, disability rights, the environment, education, and antitrust. While the bill's sponsor claims this legislation simply codifies recommendations made by Attorney General Merrick Garland, the Monitor Accountability Act actually goes much further than those recommendations in an apparent effort to undermine monitorships by making them less effective. and less efficient nationally. For example, the bill mandates that federal monitors and even the judges overseeing a case be replaced every five and six years respectively, an approach that the Attorney General strongly opposed. These putative reforms have a clear purpose to put an end to judges and monitors' ability to insure that entrenched violations of law, like the persistent racial discrimination by the sheriff Joe Arpaio's department in Maricopa County, Arizona, are fully addressed in the case. I oppose this legislation and urge colleagues to do the same. Finally, rather than demonstrating our unified support for the law enforcement officers who protect and serve our communities, the non-binding resolution, HConres ninety-six, is gotcha legislation containing false information and inflammatory rhetoric that is clearly designed to engender partisan division. We know how to pass nonpartisan resolutions that are truly about honoring law enforcement officers when we want to do that. We just passed one, H. Res. twelve fifty-two, on the suspension calendar honoring law enforcement officers killed on the line of duty. Just last year we passed H. Conres. thirty, a bipartisan resolution expressing support for local law enforcement officers. The year before that we passed H. Res. twelve thirteen condemning calls to defund the police and violence against officers. I proudly voted for these bipartisan measures and have repeatedly supported resolutions honoring our law enforcement. But I must oppose HCon Res ninety-six, which is littered with tiresome screeds and polemics against, quote, leftist activists and, quote, progressive politicians that have no place in a resolution purportedly meant to bring us together, to honor law enforcement. Republicans claim to be the party that backed the Blue, but the legislation on the floor this week just reminds us that they were the party that backed the coup. Violent crime is indeed declining, but it has nothing to do with President Trump or congressional Republicans. In fact, it was Democrats who made historic investments in public safety and law enforcement, empowering cities to develop programs and evidence-based approaches that actually worked to combat crime. For example, Baltimore has reduced homicide by an amazing sixty percent since twenty twenty one. The city used American Rescue Plan funding to implement its group violence reduction strategy a form of community violence intervention that identifies people who are most at risk of committing or becoming a victim of gun violence, and gives them the choice to turn away from violence and get support in their daily lives or face accountability for committing crimes. Of those who enrolled in these services, ninety-seven percent did not commit additional crimes. It was these investments that paid off contributing to an overall nationwide decline in violent crime. Instead of continuing this momentum and focusing on restoring law and order, as the resolution claims, the administration has systematically undermined law enforcement and jeopardized public safety. My Republican colleagues stood by idly while the Trump administration canceled millions of dollars in critical grant funding that supported State and local law enforcement diverted more than twenty-five thousand officers away from fighting organized crime, terrorism, and human trafficking, leading non-immigration criminal prosecutions to fall to their lowest point in decades invaded American cities with federal agents unleashing chaos and violence on American citizens under the pretense of immigration enforcement, repeatedly threatened to cut off funding for state and local law enforcement in certain jurisdictions and attempted to commandeer state and local police departments to do the federal government's job. In fact, Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee actually voted to defund the police in the hundred and nineteenth Congress. H. R. seventy-six forty, the Shutdown Sanctuary Policies Act of twenty twenty-six, would strip federal funding from jurisdictions that have laws placing any limitations on the amount of resources state and local law enforcement agencies devote to federal immigration matters, despite the fact that immigration enforcement is the job of the federal government. In the spirit of this week, National Police Week, I once again call on my colleagues to stand together with law enforcement in word and deed by restoring critical public safety grants, holding the administration accountable for undermining proven methods of fighting crime and ensuring that the that the Federal Government supports and provides assistance to State and local police rather than making their jobs harder. We should also pass legislation to support all those January six officers and their families still suffering from the violent injuries and deaths that were inflicted by the mass attack mobilized against the Capitol and the Congress on that day. Thank you, Mister Chair, and I yield back.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)1:01:09 – 1:01:14

Gentleman yields back, and now recognize uh Miss Fischbach for her time questioning.

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:01:15 – 1:01:33

Thank you, Mister Chair, and uh, Mister Biggs, I know that several states have moved to minimize and eliminate monetary bail systems, um, moving towards the cashless bail, and can you tell me what have been the impacts of the change on crime rates and recidiv recidivism rates for violent offenders

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)1:01:34 – 1:01:34

well um

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:01:36 – 1:01:38

well when cashless bail has been imposed

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:01:37 – 1:01:38

yes

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:01:39 – 1:01:49

um what we have seen is that um where there's cashless bail there has been an increase in violence uh and violent crime that's what we have seen

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:01:51 – 1:01:51

and i

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:01:51 – 1:02:12

the the result the result of course is that victims and victims' families have been devastated so These these are the things that happen uh when you have this. I'll I'll quote um a study uh done by the Yolo County District Attorney's Office in Cal- California that found that seventy percent of defendants released on no cash bail went on to re-offend.

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:02:12 – 1:02:27

Thank you, and and you know, it's clear that the cashless bail systems increase uh crime rates and recidivism rates, but I'm just wondering what role um have the charitable bail funds played in the movement to end monetary bail system?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:02:28 – 1:03:58

So, the the charitable bail funds, uh, they have vers- virtually no oversight, no regulation, and it is true that in some cases they're they're, uh, providing, uh, bail to l- low low propensity to re-offend or - or - or less dangerous offenders. But they also have actually, uh, caused great deal of - of, uh, harm as well. And, for example, uh, and here's the way they work. Minnesota Freedom Fund received two hundred and thirty-one thousand in 2019, but after George Floyd they received forty-two million dollars um in twenty-twenty. And so what they're doing is in some instances they have provided um bail to people who are very violent, get out and commit re-offend. The executive director of the Minnesota Freedom Fund stated, quote, " I I often don't even look at a charge when I bail someone out." Close quote. He added, " I'll see it after I pay the bill, because it's not the point." The point is the system we are fighting. And the result is you get people victimized, uh, by, uh, these violent offenders that are being paid for by, uh, charitable, um, uh, bail organizations. The other aspect of this, too, is this doesn't eliminate charitable bail organizations. It just says you can't defraud people by telling them you're not going to put bail money for, uh, violent offenders. it's so it kind of right provides that regulation on their ability to to raise money

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:03:59 – 1:04:52

and and mister i just wanted to uh in a cnn investigation in twenty twenty three found that in indiana from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one twenty four percent of the roughly one thousand defendants cut loose by the bail project among the in it is among the one of the largest charitable bail groups in the us had been charged with uh crime of violence so we're we're you know putting violent offenders back on the road and thirty five percent were facing felony charges and had a previous charge of at least one crime of violence so i i appreciate the the you mentioned it and i just think this is a cnn investigation um that explains what's really happening and i think putting one violent offender back on the street is one too many because we need to make sure that we are And so I appreciate you bringing the bills forward.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:04:52 – 1:04:52

Thank you.

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:04:52 – 1:04:55

Um, and if you had anything else to add, yeah.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:04:55 – 1:05:54

I'll uh uh I I will add to on this, on your comment. I'll just give you a couple of cases where uh the Minnesota Freedom Fund uh uh or uh provided bail. So Christopher Boswell was twice convicted for rape. And he was a level three sex offender. He was bailed out by the Minnesota uh fund in the summer of twenty twenty after he was charged with ten felonies including sexual assault kidnapping and assault not those aren't though he wasn't convicted of those he had these other convictions already but despite his violent history the MFF paid three hundred and fifty thousand dollars to secure his release and by september twenty twenty Boswell had already violated the conditions of his release and a felony warrant was issued now i could give you several more i won't uh, belabor it, but these are, these are not always the the the low level nonviolent offenders that are being bailed out.

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:05:55 – 1:06:11

Yeah. And and I would like to say that this does help the police officers do their job, because when they catch someone and put them in jail then they stay there, instead of being re- released, and they have to be re-picked up when they re-offend. So this does help officers do their job,

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:06:09 – 1:06:10

Exactly.

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:06:11 – 1:06:14

so I appreciate it, and with that I yield back.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)1:06:15 – 1:06:20

generally he goes back now recognize the ranking member of the rules committee Mr. McGovern for his time

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:06:19 – 1:07:06

well yeah i find this conversation interesting um given the fact that i don't recall anybody on the other side um want uh stating any objections uh to the mass pardon of all those who attacked this capitol building on january sixth uh well then i i stand corrected but um i think you're the only one that i know of Um, and um, and many of those people that were pardoned went on to commit further violent crimes, um, including sexually assaulting children and minors. Um, I, I just wish there had been more concern over, uh, law, law and order at that time. Um, Mister Raskin, I don't know if you wanted to respond to any of what was just said or not, or

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:07:07 – 1:09:51

Yeah, thank you, Mister McGovern. But first let me respond to something that you just said, and, uh, I'm glad your not letting that go. Um, well, one of the sixteen hundred people who were pardoned en masse is a man named Andrew Paul Johnson. Um, and understand that before President Trump, uh, the, that all of the prior modern presidents followed the advice of the pardon office in the Department of Justice. So they would get the applications and they would study them, they would compare them to each other, they would sift through, and it was a, a, very tough discriminating process, but they looked for people who had actually been reformed, who had been rehabilitated, who had paid their fines, who had paid their restitution to the government, and then they would issue an exhaustive opinion on why this person should not be pardoned or they should be pardoned. Uh, and the vast majority did not get pardoned recommendations. Now on the contrary, President Trump threw that whole process out. Uh, he said, we're not going to look at individual applications, we're going to pardon these people en masse, the basis for the objection from the uh from our colleague on the rules committee, I don't know exactly why he objected, but um it it was an outrageous mutilation of the system. And then what happened, well uh a bunch of these people have gone out and committed crimes since they were released from prison. So for example Andrew Paul Johnson was one of the rioters uh who had been convicted, he was in jail at the point when the president issued the pardon, he got out and he proceeded to sexually molest and abuse two twelve year old uh children. He was prosecuted for it and has now been sentenced to life in prison, which you could say is a just result for what he did, but meantime those were two um forms of uh two two forms of sexual abuse and two crimes that would not have been uh convicted, absent that blank and pardon. Um the let me just say um uh about cashless bail um for sixty years the federal court system has had a cashless bail system um and uh to abolish the ideal that uh a pre-trial release should depend on the wealth of the defendant people should be held if they pose a risk of flight or if they pose a danger to the community and that's what cashless bail means since congress imposed it on federal courts sixty years ago it has served well but now you know there's an effort not to crack down on this federal system but to go after particular states and to uh step on their uh decisions under the system of uh of federalism

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:09:52 – 1:11:17

and let me i'll just make one uh observation here that that this is one of the frustrating things about serving in this chamber and i think it's one of the things that the american people are frustrated with um you know we are debating um i think or maybe we have finished debating a suspension um in support of and honoring our law enforcement officials that i is a bipartisan um resolution that will i assume get bipartisan support on the house floor uh and then we have the bill before the rules committee today which is basically that resolution with a few gotcha clauses in it um things that kind of are meant to attack democrats um and to politicize a resolution which i think there'll be division on and for the life of me i don't know why that is in the interest of law enforcement or the interest you know of of congress or anything good um other than just to try to further divide and to polarize uh people and um it's become a habit around here um and i just i think it's a rotten thing to do Um, and I hope that, um, again, that the resolution that, uh, has bipartisan support passes overwhelmingly, uh, which, well, we'll vote on it at suspension, but, uh, you know, to, to, to, this is such a blatant attempt at partisanship, it really, it cheapens this institution.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:11:18 – 1:13:04

Well, d- I think that's well put, uh, Mister McGovern, it's unfortunate because, uh, when we put up, uh, real resolutions that are about honoring the police and supporting the police, we have unanimous support. uh, in the body. Uh, and this, uh, has a number of paragraphs that could be lifted from one of those resolutions, and then all kinds of ideological finger-painting, uh, all over it, uh, things about leftist activists and progressive politicians and Democrats seeking to defund local police departments, and all that stuff. There's also a false claim that the Trump administration is focused on restoring law and order and that that is what is, uh, responsible for declining homicide rates giving no credit to the states and local governments that have for three years been engineering the steady reduction in crime. That's obviously where it's been coming from and that can be shown by lots of criminologists and people who actually study it and I I I'm sorry to say but I would not vote for something claiming that President Trump has a law and order administration leaving aside that he's got thirty-four felony criminal convictions to to his own record, but he has part in sixteen hundred criminals, many of them violent criminals, who have gone out to engage in domestic violence, uh, home invasions, uh, sexual abuse of children, uh, and so on. And they have dismantled the counter-terrorist and counter-intelligence operations that are that were keeping us safe from terror attacks from abroad. Uh, and we have seen a real gutting of the criminal justice muscle in the department of justice as everything has been mobilized to the task of uh deporting uh immigrants

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:13:05 – 1:13:08

i appreciate both of you being here and um i you're back

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)1:13:09 – 1:13:27

jim he goes back now recognize myself and uh uh mister big uh appreciate you being here um i heard you go over the uh the four measures that uh you brought before us and i don't remember hearing anything about partners did did you bring us a bill about pardons i was unaware of

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:13:27 – 1:13:38

uh no sir i did not these don't pertain to pardons uh including the thousands of unmasked pardons issued by president biden including the some in this room

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)1:13:41 – 1:13:44

ok i go back and i recognize gentlelady from pennsylvania

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:13:45 – 1:17:10

thank you mister chair um uh as we've heard it's police week in d. c. uh Police Week was established by a Democratic President, John F. Kennedy. And it's traditional for Congress to consider bills during this week, to honor law enforcement officers who died in the line of duty and to support their families. And if we had those bills before us, I think there would be strong bipartisan support for them. But we don't. Instead, we have a package of do-nothing messaging bills, none of which actually help law enforcement, or make some of our neighborhoods safer. And as we've heard, some of them even contain gross misstatements of facts. So we don't have bipartisan bills here. Look, immediately following the pandemic, um, we've seen a dramatic reduction in violent crime due in large part to community investments we were able to make during the last administration, investments in community violence prevention, police body cameras, mental health resources, and police accreditation and training. But our Republican colleagues are undermining this progress. They talk a big game, but it's just messaging bills and not meaningful action. The White House and congressional Republicans have cut police funding. They've rescinded grants. They have, uh, that have actually been shown to reduce crime. Um, they've refused to hold immigration enforcement personnel to the same professional standards as other law enforcement officers. And they've tried to make it easier for bad actors to acquire and use firearms, whether by eliminating century-old regulations governing silencers or allowing guns to be mailed through the United States Postal Service. And of course, as ranking member Raskin suggested, this White House has shown contempt for law enforcement by pardoning criminals who violently attacked police officers right here in the capital on January sixth, twenty twenty one, and ordering the Department of Justice to drop charges against MS thirteen gang leaders at the request of the president of El Salvador and pardoning the president of Hond- president of Honduras who was convicted of trafficking hundreds of tons of cocaine into the US and forcing government agencies to drop investigations and prosecutions of major corporate crimes and pardoning dozens of white-collar corporate criminals who've defrauded Americans of their hard-earned money, including retirement savings. And while pardoning white-collar criminals doesn't sound like it would impact cops on the street, those pardons have forgiven billions of dollars in fines and restitution that otherwise would have funded community-based organizations and public agencies that provide VOCA assistance, which is assistance and compensation directly to crime victims which makes the lives of police officers easier. So that's why I'm frustrated with the do-nothing bills that have been served up this week, because it's more talk and no action to address the real problems that police encounter every day. Uh, Ranking Member Raskin, I think you looked at the billions of dollars in fines that had been, uh, forgiven by pardons, uh, by this administration and which were then unavailable for VOCA funding. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:17:11 – 1:18:36

Yeah, th that was another fascinating difference we found in the treatment of pardons by this administration and all prior administrations, Democratic and Republican. All of them before said, before you can, uh, well, either apply for a pardon but certainly get a pardon, you've got to show, absent some compelling reasons, that you have paid your debt to society by paying restitution to the government if it was a crime against the government, or uh fines to the government or restitution to your victims. Okay, so I believe we found uh that under President Biden uh the all of the pardonees had paid money back uh except for a handful of them as less than a million dollars worth but President Trump did not make that a condition for pardoning either the around sixteen hundred rioters and insurrectionists or the white collar criminals and fraudsters uh, who found a way through people in the Trump entourage to get to the President. One point three billion dollars in restitution to the victims was forgiven by Donald Trump. So, there was one guy who, uh, stole tens of millions of dollars from his own employees by taking the money that they paid under FICA for social security taxes uh and as well as state unemployment

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:18:33 – 1:18:34

Mm-hmm.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:18:36 – 1:19:28

worker comp taxes. He just pocketed, he bought yachts, he bought houses and so on. And then he was sent to jail. He was uh ordered to repay all this money for his workers and um he sent his mom to a uh a campaign event, or a political fundraising event, for a million dollars uh for the Trump and uh GOP enterprises. And what do you know, he got a pardon and millions of dollars were forgiven, which means the victims of his offenses were out of that money. So all of those fines don't have to be repaid. And we saw that time and time again, one point three billion dollars. How is that a law and order agenda? How is that a tough-on-crime agenda? That's a weak-on-crime agenda.

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:19:28 – 1:19:44

Well, so that one point three billion figure was actually from about a year ago. It was for the the pardons that happened immediately following, uh, the President's inauguration, there have been other pardons of folks who had substantial fines and restitution, and since then, hasn't there?

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:19:45 – 1:20:17

Um, uh, but I believe so, I don't have those numbers right in front of me. Oh, I guess oh, yeah, now I do, thank you very much, uh. It's up to one point five six billion. But understand, like, the radical policy policy shifts there. Before it was said, are you actually rehabilitated, are you reformed, are you going to continue to be a threat, to society and have you repaid the people you ripped off, the people you injured before. And he's not asking that question. So he's putting these criminals back out on the street and, of course, they, many of them have reoffended already.

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:20:18 – 1:21:01

Well, the the really offensive part of it is these pardons are going to people who have actually made substantial donations to trump um efforts, non-profits, whatever, um or or our political allies, but think what every member here is probably hearing from their community is the serious harm to the VOCA funding the violence uh or the Victims of Crime Act which relies upon fines in these federal cases in order to fund um domestic abuse shelters, victim assistance um efforts, uh drug rehabilitation, a whole bunch of things that that actually help our justice system work, and and help make people whole when they are

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:21:01 – 1:21:26

Well, thank you for pointing it out, Ms. Gammill, because it's a double hit. You remember when the administration first came in, w- they sent over Elon Musk and Doge and they cut five hundred million dollars out of already appropriated and obligated funds going to state and local victim assistance and anti-crime fighting organizations. Five hundred million dollars was cut in all of our states, in all of our districts.

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:21:25 – 1:21:27

Oh, I remember, I got a lot of calls.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:21:27 – 1:21:45

Then they pulled the plug on uh our ability to replenish this other fund that you're talking about which which has been used to help victims simply by forgiving these fines to the people who for some reason they're showering uh all this forgiveness on

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:21:46 – 1:23:56

well i i also wanna focus for a minute on hr eighty three sixty five the monitor accountability act because hiding behind this kind of boring title um is a bill that seems designed to hide corruption and free the sheriff's office in Maricopa County, Arizona, from accountability for decades of violations of civil rights of the people of Arizona. This is the office that was run by the notorious Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in US history, a man who willfully ignored more than four hundred reported sex crime cases, and whose office negligently cleared thousands of other cases, without conducting investigations. So over a decade ago, the office was found guilty of systemic racial profiling and other unconstitutional behavior leading to the appointment of a monitor to oversee the office's efforts to comply with the law. But rather than undertaking meaningful reforms, the sheriff's office undertook a PR campaign to grossly misrepresent the cost of complying with the court's order, and to undermine the reform effort. So, when the court ordered an independent audit of the sheriff's claims, uh, last year, the auditor found that the sheriff's office had misused taxpayer dollars and massively inflated the cost of the reforms claiming that over seventy-two percent or a hundred and sixty million dollars' worth of those reforms falsely were attributed to the court orders. So, the bill before us, by getting rid of the monitor, is seems designed to cover up this massive lie to the public and that office's failure to comply with court orders. So it it seems bizarre that we would be championing the cause of a rogue law enforcement agency during police week, when we should be honoring the good work of law enforcement officers across the country. Um, would you care to comment on on anything with regard to that bill, including the, I believe, Faults claimed that it actually codifies a a memorandum by Attorney General Garland.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:23:57 – 1:25:15

Yeah. Well, uh, the Arpaio case has been going on since two thousand and thirteen for thirteen years. Um, and you state the reason why uh Sheriff Arpaio thought he had done nothing wrong. Uh, he rejected all of the findings that there was racial, ethnic, and national origin discrimination taking place as a pattern in practice and policy. of his office he was held in criminal contempt of course president trump pardoned him uh for his criminal contempt and it's still enforced today because they haven't complied fully yet with the orders of the monitor if this legislation passes the federal monitor um would immediately be terminated and replaced as i understand and i'll i'll stand corrected if the gentleman from arizona uh has a different interpretation bill but they would be replaced immediately because they've been there more than five years and the judges have to be replaced if they've been there more than six years so it seems like a fairly transparent obvious attempt just to get rid of the judge and the monitor in the case which means new people will be put in who don't know anything theoretically about the last thirteen years they're way behind on the case but uh presumably would be more subject to some kind of political manipulation if that's not true if it's not meant to displace the current monitor I would love to be corrected on that

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:25:15 – 1:25:45

Yeah, it it does seem like an invitation to fraud, waste and abuse, just to cover up what's happened already, to inject more uncertainty into the process and get rid of a a monitor and a judge, who were trying to uh hold the feet to the fire for that office. So um I also think that the to the extent that this bill purports to rely upon uh A. G. Garland's memo, that memo explicitly said it would not apply retroactively and therefore would not apply

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:25:46 – 1:26:15

Uh, and he and also the the Attorney General uh opposed the idea of automatically cutting off the service of a monitor after five years, or a judge after six years. Um, w- with uh your permission I would love to submit for the record two articles. And again, I didn't know a lot about this, but this whole legislation seems to be designed around the Maricopa County case. But this one um, uh, says that um MCSO not in total compliance with decade-old court order, Maricopa County,

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)1:26:25 – 1:26:45

Well, and it is also disturbing, it seems to be also part of this broader move to weaponize the Department of Justice, because of course it was the US uh, Department of Justice that brought this case, and it's my understanding that um, not the US Department of Justice? Okay, then I stand corrected and we'll move on. Thank you, I yield back.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:26:48 – 1:26:52

uh thank you very much uh mister scott your opinion

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:26:51 – 1:28:14

thank you madam chair and as i as it was indicated before i'm uh i'm opposed to blanket pardons uh i don't think anybody who was convicted of a um a violent act uh should have received an unconditional pardon certainly um but i'm also opposed to preemptive pardons uh that the biden administration issued i'm opposed to the pardons that he issued for his family Um, I'm also opposed to the defund the police movement and what the other uh, I guess the socialist movement of the democratic party. I mean, their press for Antifa and the other anti-law enforcement and anti-law uh, movements that they uh continue to support uh, in this country. Uh, I am for law and order. I am thankful that we have law and order at the border now. I'm a little taken back that the democrats want to claim to be the party of law and order now after they allowed millions upon millions of people into this country unchecked and we have absolutely no idea uh who they who they let in here um i want to tell you something else i'm opposed to and as i read this letter and i'm gonna come to you on this first mister biggs i mean this this fifty six twenty five we're talking about violent or sexual act such as murder, rape, sexual assault, carjacking, robbery, burglary, and assault. Is that correct?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:28:15 – 1:28:16

That's correct.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:28:16 – 1:28:25

Okay. And then we said those that promote public disorder such as looting, vandalism, destruction of property, rioting or inciting riots, fleeing from a law enforcement officer. Is that correct?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:28:25 – 1:28:26

That's correct.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:28:27 – 1:28:44

Okay. And so all we're saying is that the voters in a political jurisdiction of this country should know if non-cash bail is being allowed by their elected officials. Is that correct?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:28:46 – 1:28:55

Yes, and and moreover, in some jurisdictions they can't impose cash bail at all, but even for these types of offenses.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:28:55 – 1:28:56

Even for violent crime.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:28:56 – 1:28:57

That's correct.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:29:00 – 1:29:02

They cannot impose a cash bail for a violent crime.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:29:02 – 1:29:03

In some jurisdictions, that's correct.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:29:03 – 1:29:09

So do they just let them on the street, or do they hold them until until trial.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:29:10 – 1:29:12

They they don't hold them till trial.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:29:12 – 1:29:24

Yeah, I didn't think so either. Um, and that's where the risk to um, the citizens come in. Um, Mister Raskin, is is what we have said so far correct?

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:29:26 – 1:29:29

But we do not oppose that bill that you just referenced. Yeah.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:29:29 – 1:29:34

But you said, if I'm not mistaken, I wrote this down, no one should be detained pre-trial.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:29:35 – 1:29:47

Oh, no, I didn't say that. I said they shouldn't be detained simply because they don't have enough money to pay. Everybody should be detained if they pose a threat of flight or a threat to, uh, the public safety.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:29:47 – 1:29:47

Okay.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:29:47 – 1:29:55

Even if they can pay, that's the problem, that the money gets it wrong, it allows it allows some people out who shouldn't be out, and keeps some people in who shouldn't be in.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:29:55 – 1:30:25

Okay, so just let me let me ask you this, and this is just a serious so So then you oppose cashless bail for anyone who has committed um one of these crimes that we were talking about, the the violent or sexual acts such as murder, rape, sexual assault, carjacking, robbery, burglary, and assault, you agree that there should be no cashless bail for anybody who has been arrested for one of those acts.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:30:25 – 1:30:26

No, I'd

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:30:26 – 1:30:29

So you do support cashless bail for people who have been arrested for those acts.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:30:29 – 1:30:45

What what I support is the federal system uh, which looks at the question of whether or not the person poses a danger of flight, or a danger of violence in the community. And the money just confuses the question. So I think that we have been doing it the right way in the Federal system for the last sixty years.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:30:48 – 1:30:48

Okay.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:30:48 – 1:31:00

So, uh, That was a dark one. I wouldn't do it according I, uh, I wouldn't do it according to the offense. Um, I mean, some offenses categorically people are held. Um, I believe in the Federal system, but, uh, yeah. I'm all for

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:31:01 – 1:31:11

Uh, we we just difference of opinion on this and uh, Mister Biggs, do you have anything else that you would like to add before I turn the time back over to the mayor?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:31:10 – 1:31:18

Yeah, I I would. I I want to cover the monitor court monitor system because two people who just admitted they don't know much about the case,

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:31:15 – 1:31:15

Okay.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:31:18 – 1:32:08

um, um, they presume everything about this bill deals with the, um, Melindris case, which it doesn't, and yet it does. Because it is the prototype, especially since the court monitor in this case has basically ripped off multiple jurisdictions, and has been a court monitor in multiple jurisdictions in some cases for two decades. And he's, and he's making bank. And the, uh, the thing that is so intriguing to me about this is, is, uh, this notion that we're not trying to codify some of of Merrick Garland's conclusions here. So, uh, so he goes through and he says we're gonna we wanna we need to provide guidance on this because there's there's been some problems. So he asked he asked uh um

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:32:09 – 1:32:11

Mi- Mister Biggs, I'm over the five minutes, so I wanna

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:32:12 – 1:32:12

Okay.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:32:12 – 1:32:16

sh- if you can just finish it in forty seconds, I'd appreciate it. That'll keep us below six.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:32:18 – 1:32:22

Almost impossible. But I'll just tell I'll just do you this one part,

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:32:20 – 1:32:20

Well, be quick.

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:32:21 – 1:32:22

Take your time.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:32:22 – 1:32:59

uh that my my colleague here said that um that five or six years that that uh the attorney general didn't uh specify how long a monitor should be and yet the the the letter itself says in most cases in most cases it didn't say in all cases but in most cases the monitor must be replaced at an appropriate interval usually of no more than two or three years the melindrous case has been going on it's gone through four sheriffs four elected sheriffs from different parties both parties

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:32:59 – 1:33:00

four year terms

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:33:00 – 1:33:38

uh yeah so so when they're talking about joe arpaio he was out of office um by i believe it's twenty sixteen is when his successor paul pinzona democrat was elected who served and he got so fed up with what was going on he left early after he served almost to two terms and then you had another appointment come in and then and now we're on the fourth sheriff this isn't about joe arpaio this is about mister uh uh mister the uh the court monitor being paid millions of dollars and the audit was conducted

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:33:37 – 1:33:37

ok

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:33:39 – 1:33:42

by his relative it wasn't conducted by some independent auditor

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:33:43 – 1:33:48

i'm i'm over my time i i i appreciate both of you madam chair i yield the time that i don't have left

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:33:44 – 1:33:46

thank you for letting me appreciate that

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:33:49 – 1:33:57

thank you mister scott mister negus you're recognized and i think You have a birthday tomorrow, so we'll wish you happy birthday today for tomorrow.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:33:57 – 1:34:07

Oh, well, I wanna say thank you first and foremost, Madam Chair. You're the first person since I arrived in Washington earlier today to note my impending birthday tomorrow. So I wanna say I'm grateful to you.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:34:07 – 1:34:09

You're welcome. I hope it's a very good one.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:34:10 – 1:34:15

Uh, well, I'll be spending it here in the house doing the people's work. So no better way to spend my birthday.

Rep. Scott (GA-8)1:34:15 – 1:34:16

You're always excited.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:34:16 – 1:34:46

Uh, I will. That's right. That's right. Um, my two year old and my seven year old gave me a great send-off. uh yesterday in advance. So, uh, Mr. Biggs, Mr. Raskin, thank you both for being here. I wanna start with HCON res ninety-six. This is the resolution expressing support for law enforcement officers. Mr. Biggs, uh, as you know, the house typically passes a concurrent resolution during police week every year, uh, to recognize the contributions of law enforcement officers to our communities. Is that a fair statement?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:34:48 – 1:34:50

It is. Generally, yeah.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:34:52 – 1:35:07

Last year, a resolution was put on the floor. I think you noted it passed, uh, with about four hundred votes, give or take, uh, somewhere around there, four hundred and ten, four hundred and eleven votes. And it was done on suspension. This year, this resolution is being considered in the Rules Committee. Why is that?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:35:08 – 1:35:12

You are asking someone who doesn't know. I just

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:35:12 – 1:35:12

What was that?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:35:13 – 1:35:21

I I repeat, that decision was made by someone other than myself, so I would be uncomfortable imputing motives to somebody else.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:35:21 – 1:35:29

I mean, you've been in Congress quite a while. Uh, you have no theories about why this resolution is being considered in the Rules Committee and not on suspension tonight?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:35:30 – 1:35:34

I've got a lot of theories about why a lot of crap happens in in Washington DC.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:35:35 – 1:35:35

Sure.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:35:35 – 1:35:46

And and I could be happy to expound on those sometimes, but I really truly don't know why this is this or any of these other bills are uh coming to rules except for maybe they wanted to,

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:35:46 – 1:35:46

Why

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:35:46 – 1:35:50

they wanted to Say, let's put all these police weaknesses together.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:35:49 – 1:35:53

Why are bills typically considered through the rules committee, and not suspension?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:35:54 – 1:35:57

I don't know, it's a mysterious box to us all, mister.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:35:56 – 1:36:00

You have no idea? Mister Biggs, you've served in Congress for quite a while,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:35:59 – 1:36:00

Well, I've got,

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:00 – 1:36:01

we serve on the history committee together.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:00 – 1:36:03

I told you, I told you, I told you I've got lots of ideas.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:03 – 1:36:05

Okay, well let me, let me offer my theory.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:03 – 1:36:11

So, so, so let me, if you would like me to give some oper- uh, ideas on, on other things as well, I'm, I'm more than willing to opine.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:10 – 1:36:29

Okay. I will opine on this. I will state the obvious, which everyone on this committee of course would attest to, I think you would too. which is that typically bills are considered in the rules committee, and not on the suspension calendar because it is presumed that that particular bill or resolution does not have two-thirds support sufficient to garner,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:28 – 1:36:28

If

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:29 – 1:36:33

you know, uh, sufficient support on the floor to pass on the suspension calendar.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:31 – 1:36:31

W-

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:33 – 1:36:33

And so in this case,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:34 – 1:36:35

Would you

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:34 – 1:36:35

this resolution, uh,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:35 – 1:36:36

Would you vote to me for a sec?

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:35 – 1:36:37

uh, I that I I'm gonna give you an opportunity,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:37 – 1:36:38

Okay, yeah.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:36:38 – 1:37:00

we're gonna we're gonna move forward, um, because I had hoped for a colloquia on that particular point, but I I I could not get you to concede to to uh the blunt reality which is that in this case this resolution as I think the ranking member noted there are variety of whereas clauses that were inserted into this resolution that did not exist in the resolution last year which are deeply partisan

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:36:54 – 1:36:54

right

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:37:00 – 1:37:18

and you and I have a disagreement about those particular provisions we're gonna go through some of them uh together here shortly that's why we're considering this resolution in the rules committee not on the the floor I mean that that's the that's that's obvious but in any event let's go through some of these provisions you can help me better understand them one

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:37:18 – 1:37:19

uh

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:37:19 – 1:37:31

the resolution notes quoting here it says violent crimes have declined significantly in major cities as a result of the trump administration policies do you agree with that

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:37:31 – 1:37:33

which which clause are you reading from

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:37:34 – 1:37:36

i'm reading from uh sorry

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:37:36 – 1:37:37

which page

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:37:38 – 1:37:42

let me pull it up it's not uh uh on real quick

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:37:42 – 1:37:43

page two fine page two

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:37:44 – 1:37:45

page two i think it's the

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:37:45 – 1:37:48

second from the bottom whereas is that what you're referring to

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:37:47 – 1:37:48

yes right

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:37:48 – 1:37:59

whereas violent crime rates have declined significantly in major cities across the united states would you would you disagree with a violent crime has has uh uh gone down in washington d. c.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:01 – 1:38:02

what no i'm

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:02 – 1:38:03

would you disagree with that

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:04 – 1:38:08

i have no idea i'm asking you this is your resolution or you're you're here presenting this resolution

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:08 – 1:38:08

yeah

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:09 – 1:38:12

I'm saying is that whereas clause accurate or not accurate

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:12 – 1:38:12

I think it's accurate

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:13 – 1:38:14

Okay that's it that's all I'm asking so

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:14 – 1:38:16

And you think it's inaccurate

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:16 – 1:38:18

I'm not suggesting that to you actually

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:17 – 1:38:18

Sure you're suggesting it

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:18 – 1:38:21

I'm not I'm asking you whether it's accurate

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:20 – 1:38:22

I think you're suggesting that

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:21 – 1:38:23

Okay well let's walk through it

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:22 – 1:38:28

I mean you you you impute you imputed me having a you imputed certain thoughts of mine,

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:25 – 1:38:32

Okay No I'm not let me assure you let me assure you Mister Biggs okay

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:28 – 1:38:31

you read my mind I said oh hey hey

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:38:32 – 1:38:32

Yeah

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:32 – 1:38:36

the let's we haven't even gotten to the controversial questions yeah okay this is

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:38:32 – 1:38:33

Okay

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:37 – 1:38:39

The resolution says violent crime has gone,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:38 – 1:38:39

And you disagree.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:39 – 1:38:42

okay, the violent crime has gone down in major cities, right? So,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:42 – 1:38:43

Yeah.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:43 – 1:38:44

in Arizona,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:38:44 – 1:38:45

Yeah.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:38:46 – 1:38:59

Mesa is a major city, Phoenix is a major city, Tucson is a major city, Flagstaff is a major city, Gilbert, I would venture to suggest is a major city. You agree that violent crime has gone down in those cities?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:39:00 – 1:39:14

Um, I I think that in a couple of the cities that's actually probably been held stable or gone up actually in a couple of those cities. But did you notice this this this this actually didn't say in every major city.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:39:10 – 1:39:18

So it hasn't gone. Oh sure, it just so happens that in every major city in Arizona crime is going the other way?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:39:17 – 1:39:21

I I didn't say in every major city, I said in a couple of my things.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:39:20 – 1:39:22

In a couple of them, ah.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:39:21 – 1:39:30

And I and I and I'm not really sure because I haven't I haven't gone through, but I can tell you I can tell you who runs those two major cities that we do believe that crime's gone up in.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:39:30 – 1:39:30

I I mean

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:39:30 – 1:39:32

And it isn't it isn't the Party of the Red.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:39:32 – 1:39:43

Sounds sounds like major crime. I haven't been to Arizona in a while, but under Governor Hobbs it feels like it's going pretty well. I mean, according to this resolution, if we want broad brush or any event.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:39:40 – 1:39:43

I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:39:43 – 1:39:59

Okay, let's go to another clause. This is the eighth whereas clause. So this is on the second page. The eighth whereas. And you'll see that the first part, the prefatory phrase there is, quote, the Trump administration's focus on restoring law and order. You see that?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:39:59 – 1:39:59

I do.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:39:59 – 1:40:05

Okay. How many Convicted felons has Donald Trump pardoned?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:40:07 – 1:40:09

Uh, I don't think as many as Joe Biden pardoned.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:40:09 – 1:40:10

Okay, and how many is that?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:40:11 – 1:40:11

I don't know.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:40:12 – 1:40:13

You don't know. Okay, so

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:40:13 – 1:40:14

And I and I also

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:40:14 – 1:40:17

I I I'll you answered the question. I thank you for answering the question, Mr. Biggs.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:40:17 – 1:40:18

Okay, happy to

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:40:17 – 1:40:20

Let let me help provide some context, right?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:40:20 – 1:40:22

I I I'd love that.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:40:20 – 1:41:29

So Donald Trump pardoned, as you know, on the first day of his second term over fifteen hundred defendants who were convicted of crimes connected to the events of January sixth. That included a number of convicted felons who had been convicted, by the way, of crimes, including assaulting police officers. That does not sound like restoring law and order to me. And I'm sure as you aw- are aware, many of those individuals, or certainly some of those individuals, who were pardoned for violent offenses by President Trump as you heard earlier today during the course of this committee proceeding, were then convicted of committing crimes after they were pardoned by President Trump. So, you could understand why I would be very skeptical of a resolution that says the Trump administration's focus on restoring law and order when the very first action he took as president was to pardon violent felons. Seems like that is not restoring law in order to me i i take it you disagree

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:41:30 – 1:41:35

i i do disagree and i'll explain why if you give me a chance so um

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:41:33 – 1:41:33

sure

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:41:35 – 1:41:51

i i love how you wanna deflect and move into pardons as if joe biden or somebody using an auto pen um didn't pardon over thirty two hundred individuals including some of the biggest fraudsters in american history

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:41:51 – 1:41:54

so say you disagree with those and with the trump pardons i don't i don't understand what you're

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:41:51 – 1:41:55

and uh and And,

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:41:54 – 1:41:56

equivalency, you're saying because

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:41:55 – 1:41:59

and, and, and, and thank you for letting me finish my thought.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:41:59 – 1:41:59

Sure.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:42:00 – 1:42:36

And, uh, and also the the very notion that President Trump, who has brought the one city that, um, the Feds actually have more influence on than any other city, that's this one which we are in. If you'd think that we haven't seen a d- reduction in violent crime in this city, since the the the President actually brought in federal folks to help ma- help manage the police situation. If you don't think that the police union uh is not happy with what was happen, then you need to r- go go contact the

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:42:35 – 1:42:39

Who has suggested that the police union is it is unhappy or happy or,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:42:37 – 1:42:44

and And if you th- and if you think if you think that that other

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:42:39 – 1:42:46

uh, say you're I said nothing of the sort. I don't I

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:42:46 – 1:42:58

If if you th- well, I didn't say anything of the sort and you imputed my motives and read my mind somehow, I don't know how you got that. But then we move on and say Did he offer that to other cities that were having problems? Yes.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:42:58 – 1:42:58

Okay.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:42:58 – 1:43:00

And did some of those cities said, " No, we don't want that,

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:43:00 – 1:43:02

I I've given you ample opportunity to answer that question.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:43:00 – 1:43:01

we don't want to come down"?

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:43:03 – 1:43:04

I I will just say

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:43:04 – 1:43:05

You didn't like the answer.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:43:05 – 1:43:30

I uh oh I you I mean you're certainly right, I disagree with your answer, but in any event I will just simply say that I don't think that one could argue with a straight face, obviously you disagree, uh that the Trump administration is restoring law and order while they're simultaneously pardoning uh violent felons who assaulted police officers are you familiar with the edward byrne memorial justice assistant grant program

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:43:30 – 1:43:31

i am i am

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:43:31 – 1:43:34

ok that's a grant program that funds state and local law enforcement right

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:43:35 – 1:43:36

that's correct

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:43:36 – 1:43:44

ok president trump just proposed his fiscal year twenty twenty seven budget i can represent to you cause i i suspect you don't have it in front of you cause you're not on the

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:43:44 – 1:43:44

go ahead go ahead

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:43:45 – 1:43:59

preparations committee uh the his budget proposes cutting those grants by five hundred and thirty eight million dollars. That's a fifty five percent cut, okay? I- I'm not asking you to verify that, but I'm just representing to you,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:43:59 – 1:44:00

I'm I'm I you know,

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:43:59 – 1:44:00

I look forward to it.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:44:00 – 1:44:02

Mister Nguz, I've known I'm gonna trust you on that.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:44:02 – 1:44:03

All right, I appreciate that.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:44:03 – 1:44:05

I'm gonna b- uh, you know, I know I've known you a long time.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:44:04 – 1:44:11

I'm gonna ask you to I'm gonna ask you to do the same with respect to uh the COPS program. So you're familiar with the Community Oriented Policing Service,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:44:11 – 1:44:11

M.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:44:11 – 1:44:12

okay.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:44:12 – 1:44:12

Yeah.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:44:12 – 1:44:51

Uh, that program has been described by the Department of Justice quote, " the cornerstone of the nation's crime-fighting strategy." And President Trump has proposed a more than sixty percent cut from what Congress appropriated last year, the last fiscal year. So, cops program, sixty percent cut, proposed by President Trump. The Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistant Grant programs for local police departments, fifty-three percent, excuse me, fifty-five percent cut. That sounds like defunding the police to me. What do you think?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:44:52 – 1:45:25

I think, uh, thanks for, thanks for asking me that question. You're, I think you're ask, asking me to answer something in a vacuum. I don't know what else surrounds that. I don't know what else, um, goes into the funding that the, this administration may or may not have, have, uh, proposed. I do know that, uh, that, um, I'm looking at a sheet now where uh municipalities uh underneath the blue mayors um actually reduced at one point one point seven billion dollars in funding to local law enforcement

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:45:25 – 1:45:41

see and i can say uh and i wanna say first thank you for your answer second um i figured you'd indulge me given my birthday i might be able to just ask that the representative from arizona if you we're having a great colloquy here i promise it'll be very brief just i will say uh cause i'm i can say that i disagree with those cities

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:45:37 – 1:45:38

i'm glad you think it was great

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:45:41 – 1:45:44

with respect to the the statistics that you just made.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:45:43 – 1:45:44

Good good for you.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:45:44 – 1:46:03

So, but in any event, I would hope that my Republican colleagues would join me in rejecting the proposed budget cuts to the COPS program which is very important for rural police departments in my district and in my state I I want to ask you one question about the cash bail reporting bill so this is HR fifty-six twenty-five directs the Attorney General

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:01 – 1:46:02

I'm a good at it.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:03 – 1:46:15

to publish a web site uh that excuse me this directs the Attorney General to publish a list on the Department of Justice's website of the jurisdictions that permit cashless bail. Correct?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:16 – 1:46:19

Uh, uh, hold on one.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:20 – 1:46:21

Sure.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:21 – 1:46:24

Yes. I just want to make sure that I got the language right.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:23 – 1:46:26

Yep, yeah. So this H R fifty-six twenty-five,

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:24 – 1:46:24

Yep.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:26 – 1:46:35

the only thing the bill does is essentially tells the Attorney General, publish on your website this list of jurisdictions that permit cashless bail.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:35 – 1:46:36

For cover defenses.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:36 – 1:46:38

For cover defenses. Correct.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:38 – 1:46:38

Yep.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:39 – 1:46:46

My understanding is the Department of Justice has done this in response to an executive order that President Trump issued last year. Are you familiar with that?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:46 – 1:46:48

I believe that's that's correct.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:48 – 1:46:48

Okay.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:48 – 1:46:50

And and so we're cod- this is codifying it.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:50 – 1:46:51

Have you seen the list?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:52 – 1:46:53

Uh, I don't know that I have.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:54 – 1:46:56

Have you tried calling the Attorney General to get the list?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:46:56 – 1:46:59

No, I've I've been unable to do that. I haven't done that.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:46:59 – 1:47:08

It it just feels like it, and this is my last p- point, Madam Chair, it just feels like this bill could be replaced with a quick phone call.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:47:08 – 1:47:09

So

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:47:08 – 1:47:17

I mean, if someone just called the Attorney General and said, " Attorney General, or Acting Attorney General, can you put on your website this list that you've been directed to produce?"

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:47:14 – 1:47:14

Can

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:47:17 – 1:47:32

instead of going through, like, this bill was introduced seven months ago. So, y- we're gonna go through this whole process and enact a new federal law just to get them to put something on their website? That just seems like a lot, uh, a lot of work.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:47:30 – 1:48:09

So I'm, uh, I'm happy to respond. I'm happy to respond, yeah. You know, a lot of executive orders are issued by presidents, right? And when the next president comes in, they repeal those executive orders. And I think both sides I I think you you shouldn't be cherry picking, but I think both sides say um, we really need to codify what our what our president has done. I I think that that's what you guys were trying to do a little bit with what President Biden's administration did and I think this is a a reasonable codification And in fact it's probably the easiest codification, so I would expect your vote on it.

Rep. Neguse (CO-2)1:48:09 – 1:48:10

We shall see.

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:48:10 – 1:48:10

Thank you, Matt.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:48:10 – 1:48:23

Thank you, Mister Neguse. Uh, lost a little bit of um my um order here. Um, Mister Jack, are you next, or Mister Griffith?

Rep. Jack (GA-3)1:48:22 – 1:48:23

Okay.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:48:24 – 1:48:24

Mister Jack?

Rep. Jack (GA-3)1:48:25 – 1:48:53

Thank you Madam Chair, and I want to thank uh Mister Biggs for testifying today, and to um to follow up on what Mister Neguse was saying. You know, one of the reasons why violent crime has decreased across major cities, as we both know, is President Trump had to step up where others uh did not step up. And uh to use a a word he loves to use, would you mind opining, Mister Biggs, as to why uh in in some instances in Arizona Democrat leadership has failed the state and the cities, uh it was elected to serve?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:48:53 – 1:50:06

So, we do have sometimes problems with cashless bail, um in a couple of jurisdictions. We have jurisdictions that refuse to cooperate with federal law enforcement. And as you know, right now the lion's share of anybody illegally entering the country country comes through Arizona. And so we we still have, for instance, drop houses all over Maricopa County, one of the biggest counties in the country, five and a half million people, and big geographically bigger than some states. And the reality is the biggest cities, Phoenix and Tucson, their leadership has said we're not going to cooperate with federal law enforcement. They they release people out on the streets and they are the places that we see crime still very high. Whereas places like Mesa, um, that enforce the law, or even Gilbert, my town, uh, where they enforce the law, uh, you and and the County Attorney in Phoenix is trying to heat people in what they're fighting um the the policies of those big cities.

Rep. Jack (GA-3)1:50:07 – 1:50:54

Well, it's one of the reasons why I think you need to lead the state, but that's not a question for uh here or this hearing. Uh, I do want to point out on HR six two six zero, the Keeping Violent Offenders Off Our Streets Act. Um, I just want to point for the record, in in July twenty two twenty twenty two, Indiana passed a law prohibiting charitable bail funds from bailing out felony offenders with a previous conviction for a violent crime. And I just want to note for the record that at, uh, this is according to CNN, at least nine individuals who were released by a bail charity were subsequently arrested for murder CNN found that if the Indiana law had been applied nationally, it likely would have, uh, drastically reduced that number. Any thoughts and comments? I mean, again, we're talking broadly about bail here, but it seems like these, uh, it seems like Indiana stepped up in something we can learn by passing this legislation.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:50:54 – 1:51:23

Yeah, Indiana w- is really the model uh on the legislation on how to deal with this and it made a huge difference and um and i i i i think this is again is just one more um reason we need to do this is because uh i i read some of the statements from the director of one of these agencies they don't care what the crime is because they don't like the system and uh i think that's the fundamental difference between my colleague and me

Rep. Jack (GA-3)1:51:24 – 1:51:33

Well, I appreciate your testimony today. It's uh obvious why the Judiciary Committee picked you to testify on these issues. You testified well, and with that, Madam Chair, I will yield back.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:51:34 – 1:51:43

Thank you very much, Mister Jack Mister Langworthy, do you have any questions? OK. Thank you. Mister Norman, do you have any questions?

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:51:44 – 1:52:18

No, I just wanna thank both of you for coming here. You know, you acqui Mister Fuchs, your quiz about why this was why what's your opinion why this was a rule. Um, does it really need an explanation? This is a, this has been s- saluting policemen started in six, nineteen sixty-two, sixty-eight years. So really you don't need a uh a reason to highlight our law enforcement. And you live in Arizona. You see who's coming across the border. Who was the When did this, the border open up in your opinion?

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:52:19 – 1:53:18

So, the history was um We had, uh, about an eight month record spree in twenty nineteen. And then President Trump enforced the border and it shut it down. And then when, uh, Joe Biden came in, literally from the time he was determined to be the, the winner, declared the winner, before he was even inaugurated, I could go down to the border, which I do often, and I could see people wearing, "Let me in, Biden." or biden's my president or whatever they they wanted to come in and that was the rush and literally i stood there on that border with hundreds and even maybe even a thousand people walking across while i am standing there and with cbp standing there and told they couldn't do anything and couldn't act that was it and i believe the numbers are correct somewhere around twenty million came in both uh known and unknown and uh

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:53:18 – 1:53:32

would you as mister goose mentioned you've been here a while what's your reasoning for him letting these people in of from every country every background every why why was that happening cause no has any other president done that

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:53:32 – 1:54:06

there's been no other president that has done that in fact um president obama had a remarkable uh uh deportation record himself and um i i don't know why i can i can just tell you the the odd oddities in in my own home state where uh we had an election integrity bill that was vetoed at the same time that the governor was uh re- uh disbanding the border security task force so i don't know though they seem to be related i mean there's there's comments all the time but i don't wanna imp impute uh a motive that i don't know for certain

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:54:06 – 1:54:18

well i'll close on this has there ever been a time when police have been put more to the test and have lost their lives based on the actions of one man Joe Biden, eh, by opening this country up to anyone and everyone.

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:54:19 – 1:54:22

You not only do you put the police at risk, you put the community and the nation at risk.

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:54:22 – 1:54:26

Right. Thank you for both, both appeal. Uh, uh, yield back.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:54:31 – 1:54:48

Uh, thank you, Mister Norman. Um, I believe that, um, uh, takes care of the panel. I had a question, uh, that Mister Jack ask um on my behalf he didn't know that but i appreciate that so i have no questions showman

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:54:49 – 1:54:52

can i can i put some documents into the record would that be permissible

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:54:51 – 1:54:53

yes sir yes sir

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:54:53 – 1:54:54

thank you

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:54:53 – 1:55:02

without objection whatever you have if you will um give them to us we will make sure they are entered into the record

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:55:02 – 1:55:03

alright

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:55:03 – 1:55:04

we don't have to go over

Rep. Biggs (AZ-5)1:55:03 – 1:55:05

here's here's the whole stacker only

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:55:05 – 1:55:09

whole stack of them if you give them to the gentleman right there

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:55:10 – 1:55:11

very good thank you

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:55:11 – 1:55:12

thank you very much

Rep. Norman (SC-5)1:55:12 – 1:55:12

thank you members

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:55:13 – 1:55:17

thank you very much thank you Mister Raskin always good to see you

Rep. Raskin (MD-8)1:55:15 – 1:55:16

thank you Miss Fox

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:55:24 – 1:55:56

what do you want this this that ok you want this ok Is there anyone else seeking to testify on today's agenda? Seeing none, this closes the hearing portion of our meeting. The chair will be in receipt of a motion from the gentleman from Minnesota, Mrs. Fischbach.

Rep. Fischbach (MN-7)1:55:57 – 1:56:06

Madam Chair, I move the committee grant a rule which provides that section eleven of house resolution, twelve twenty-four, shall have no force or effect.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:56:09 – 1:56:17

Um, thank you very much. Um, you've now heard the motion. Is there any discussion or amendment to the rule?

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:56:17 – 1:56:17

Madam Chair.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:56:18 – 1:56:19

Mister McGovern.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:56:19 – 1:57:59

I have an amendment to the rule. I move the committee add a section providing for immediate consideration of a resolution directing the clerk to strike section twelve zero zero six in the engrossment of HR seven five six seven. And the resolution shall be debatable for ten minutes equally divided and controlled by representative Luna of Florida, or her designee, and an opponent. And the clerk shall not transmit HR seven five six seven to the Senate, until this resolution is disposed of. And Madam Chair, uh, this is a settled issue. States are allowed to pass laws to establish basic humane standards for farm animals, like proposition twelve in California, or question three in Massachusetts. And even the Supreme Court agrees. But Republicans only support states' rights when it is convenient for them. In this case, Republican leadership, despite bipartisan opposition, wants to abuse the power of the federal government to nullify these state laws at the behest of their large agribusiness donors. During consideration of the farm bill, Representative Luna submitted a bipartisan amendment that had twenty-two cosponsors from acro- across the political spectrum. Republicans on this committee blocked it from even coming up to the House floor for a vote. So I'm giving my Republican colleagues another chance to fix this. A yes vote on my motion will give the House the opportunity to strip this rotten provision that the Republican far- uh in the Republican farm bill, before it goes to the Senate. A no vote would shut down debate and ensure this federal ban moves forward. And I hope I, we can get a strong bipartisan vote uh for Representative Luna's amendment.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:58:01 – 1:58:10

is there any further discussion on the amendment hearing none the question is on the amendment all those in favor signify by saying aye

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:10 – 1:58:11

aye aye

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:58:11 – 1:58:13

those opposed say no

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:13 – 1:58:13

no no

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:58:13 – 1:58:18

no and the opinion of the chair the no's have it the amendment is not agreed to

Clerk1:58:18 – 1:58:19

i wanna ask for a roll call please

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:58:19 – 1:58:25

uh mister mcgovern requests a roll call the the clerk will call the roll

Clerk1:58:25 – 1:58:26

mrs. Fischbach

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:26 – 1:58:26

no

Clerk1:58:26 – 1:58:32

mrs. Fischbach no mr. Norman mr. Norman no mr. Roy mrs. Houchin mister langworthy mister langworthy no mister scott

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:33 – 1:58:33

no

Clerk1:58:33 – 1:58:34

mister scott no mister griffith

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:35 – 1:58:35

no

Clerk1:58:35 – 1:58:36

mister griffith no mister jack

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:36 – 1:58:37

no

Clerk1:58:36 – 1:58:37

mister jack no mister mcgovern

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:37 – 1:58:38

aye

Clerk1:58:38 – 1:58:39

mister mcgovern i am miss ganlin

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:58:39 – 1:58:39

aye

Clerk1:58:39 – 1:58:43

miss ganlin i am mister neguse miss ledger fernandez madam chair

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:58:43 – 1:58:44

no

Clerk1:58:44 – 1:58:44

madam chair no

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:58:47 – 1:58:49

the clerk will report the total

Clerk1:58:49 – 1:58:50

two yeas seven nays

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:58:51 – 1:59:10

the no's have it the amendment is not agreed to is there further discussion on the uh further discussion on the motion Hearing none, the question is on the motion from the gentlewoman from Minnesota. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:11 – 1:59:11

Aye.

Clerk1:59:11 – 1:59:11

Aye.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:59:11 – 1:59:13

Aye. All those opposed say no.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:13 – 1:59:13

No. No.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:59:14 – 1:59:17

In the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. The motion is agreed to.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:17 – 1:59:17

Has to go roll call.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:59:18 – 1:59:22

Mister McGovern requests a roll call. The clerk will call the roll.

Clerk1:59:22 – 1:59:23

Mrs. Fischbach.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:23 – 1:59:24

Yes.

Clerk1:59:23 – 1:59:25

Mrs. Fischbach, aye. Mister Norman.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:25 – 1:59:25

Yes.

Clerk1:59:25 – 1:59:28

Mister Norman, aye. Mister Roy. mrs. houchin

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:28 – 1:59:28

yeah

Clerk1:59:28 – 1:59:30

mrs. houchin aye mr. langworthy

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:30 – 1:59:30

yes

Clerk1:59:30 – 1:59:32

mr. langworthy aye mr. scott

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:32 – 1:59:32

yes

Clerk1:59:32 – 1:59:33

mr. scott aye mr. griffith

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:33 – 1:59:34

aye

Clerk1:59:34 – 1:59:35

mr. griffith aye mr. jack

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:35 – 1:59:35

aye

Clerk1:59:35 – 1:59:37

mr. jack aye mr. mcgovern

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:36 – 1:59:37

no

Clerk1:59:37 – 1:59:38

mr. mcgovern no miss ganlin

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:38 – 1:59:39

no

Clerk1:59:38 – 1:59:44

miss ganlin no mr. neguse miss leisure fernandez miss madam chair

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:59:45 – 1:59:45

aye

Clerk1:59:45 – 1:59:46

madam chair aye

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:59:47 – 1:59:49

the clerk will report the total

Clerk1:59:49 – 1:59:50

eight yeas two nays

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)1:59:52 – 1:59:59

and the ayes have it the motion to report is agreed to Representative Fischbach will be managing this rule for the majority.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)1:59:59 – 2:00:01

And I w- will for the Democrats.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:00:02 – 2:00:08

Thank you, Mister McGovern. The chair will be in receipt of a motion from the gentleman from Virginia, Mister Griffith.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)2:00:09 – 2:00:23

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, I move the committee grant H R five six two five, the cash this bail reporting act a closed rule. The rule waives all points of order against consideration of the bill. The rule provides that the amendment, in the nature of a substitute recommended by the committee on the judiciary,

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:00:40 – 2:00:41

I can I can.

Rep. Griffith (VA-9)2:00:51 – 2:04:23

Under a closed rule, the rule waives all points of order against consideration of the bill. The rule provides for that the amendment and the nature of a substitute recommended by the committee on judiciary now printed in the bill should be considered as adopted and the bill as amended shall be considered as read. The rule waives all points of order against provisions in the bill as amended. The rule provides one hour of general debate equally divided and controlled by the chair in ranking minority member of the committee on the judiciary or their respective designees. The rule provides one motion to recommit. The rule further provides for consideration of H. R. eight three six five, the Monitor Accountability Act, under a closed rule. The rule waives all points of order against consideration of the bill. The rule provides that the amendment in the nature of a substitute, recommended by the committee on the judiciary now printed in the bill modified by the amendment printed in part A of the rules committee report shall be considered as adopted and the bill as amended shall be considered as read. The rule waives all points of order against provisions in the bill as amended. The rule provides one hour of general debate, equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on the judiciary or their respective designees. The rule provides one motion to recommit. The rule further provides for consideration of H con res ninety-six expressing support for law enforcement officers, under a closed rule. The rule waives all points of order against consideration of the concurrent resolution. The rule provides that the concurrent resolution shall be considered as read. The rule waives all points of order against provisions in the concurrent resolution. The rule provides one hour of general debate, equally divided and controlled by the chair in ranking of minority members of the committee on the judiciary or their respective designees. The rule further provides for consideration of H R eight four six nine, the Military Construction, Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Appropriations Act twenty twenty seven under a structured rule. The rule waives all points of order against consideration of the bill. The rule provides one hour of general debate. and ranking a minority member of the committee on appropriations or their respective designees. The rule provides that the bill should be considered as read. The rule waives all points of order against provisions in the bill for failure to comply with clause two of rule twenty-one. The rule makes in order only those amendments printed in part B of the Rules Committee, amendments in block, described in section seven, and pro forma amendments described in section eight. Each amendment shall be considered only in the order printed in the report, may be offered only by a member designated in the report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for the time specified in the report, equally divided in control by the proponent and opponent, shall not be subject to amendment except as provided by section eight of the rule and shall not be subject to demand for division of the question. The rule waives all points of order against the amendment printed in part B of the rules committee report or amendments in block described in section seven of the rule the rule provides it the chair of the committee on appropriations. Or his designee may offer amendments in block consistent consisting of amendments printed in part B of the rules committee report, not earlier disposed of. Amendments in block shall be considered as read, shall be debated for twenty minutes, equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on appropriations or the respective designees, shall not be subject to amendment exceptions provided by section eight of the rule, and shall not be subject to demand for division of the question. The rule provides that the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on appropriation to the respect or their respective designees may offer up to ten pro forma amendments each at any point for the purpose of debate. Finally, the rule provides one motion to recommit.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:04:26 – 2:04:35

Thank you, Mister Griffith. Um, is there further discussion uh here uh on the uh motion? Mister McGovern?

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:04:35 – 2:05:25

I have an amendment to the rule, I move the committee make an order, amendment number fifty four to H R eighty four sixty nine offered by representative Escobar which would strike section four one three of the bill, and thereby remove the policy writer that would limit the VA's ability to report to the national instant criminal background check system. Madam Chair, as I said earlier, I'm very bothered that this bill blocks the VA from helping keep guns out of the hands of people who are already prohibited under federal law from purchasing, or possessing, firearms. Nearly five thousand veterans uh die from suicide with a gun every year. We all should be ashamed that this bill undermines an effective tool that can help keep veterans safe. A yes vote on my motion would allow an up or down vote on the floor to remove this harmful policy from the bill. Let's have the debate and let's have the vote, and I yield back.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:05:26 – 2:05:38

Thank you, Mister McGovern, is there further discussion of Mister McGovern's amendment? hearing none the question is on the amendment all those in favor signify by saying aye

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:05:38 – 2:05:39

aye aye

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:05:39 – 2:05:42

all those opposed say no

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:05:42 – 2:05:43

no

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:05:42 – 2:05:45

no in the opinion chair of the no's have it the amendment is not agreed to ok

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:05:46 – 2:05:49

i i ask for a roll call on behalf of on behalf of our veterans

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:05:47 – 2:05:52

mister mcgovern request a roll call vote the clerk will call the roll

Clerk2:05:53 – 2:05:55

mrs. fishbach mrs. fishbach no mr. Norman

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:05:53 – 2:05:55

oh no

Clerk2:05:55 – 2:06:00

mr. Norman no mr. Roy mrs. Howchin mrs. Howchin no mr. Langworthy mr. Langworthy no mr. Scott

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:06:00 – 2:06:00

no

Clerk2:06:00 – 2:06:01

mr. Scott no mr. Griffith

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:06:01 – 2:06:02

no

Clerk2:06:02 – 2:06:03

mr. griffith no mr. jack

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:06:03 – 2:06:03

no

Clerk2:06:03 – 2:06:05

mr. jack no mr. mcgovern

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:06:05 – 2:06:06

aye this is the list

Clerk2:06:05 – 2:06:08

mr. mcgovern mr. mcgovern i am miss ganland

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:06:08 – 2:06:08

aye

Clerk2:06:08 – 2:06:12

miss ganland i am mr. neguse miss ledger fernandez madam chair

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:06:13 – 2:06:13

uh no

Clerk2:06:14 – 2:06:15

madam chair no

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:06:16 – 2:06:17

clerk will report the total

Clerk2:06:17 – 2:06:19

two yays eight nays

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:06:19 – 2:06:25

the no's have it the amendment is not agreed to is there further discussion on the motion miss ganland

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:06:24 – 2:06:24

oh

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:06:26 – 2:06:26

on the motion

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:06:26 – 2:06:28

i i have an amendment yes

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:06:28 – 2:06:30

you recognize miss ganland

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:06:29 – 2:07:39

great Thank you. I have an amendment to the rule. I move the committee make an order amendment number five to HR eighty four sixty nine, offered by representative Brownlee, which would prohibit funds in the bill from being used to implement, carry out or enforce the memorandum issued by Under Secretary of Veterans Affairs for Health, dated December twenty second, twenty twenty five, and titled " Provision of Abortion Counseling and Services", or two, the final rule published by the Department of Veterans Affairs on December thirty-first, twenty twenty five, regarding reproductive health services. Under the Trump administration, the VIA has stopped providing abortion care and counseling even in instances of rape, incest and health emergencies. Trump's VA will now only provide abortion care in very narrow, lifesaving circumstances which forces veterans who who are experiencing pregnancy complications to essentially wait until they're about to die before the VA will provide the care that they need. This is insane. It has no place in the United States of America, and this is not how we should be treating our veterans. I urge a yes vote on my motion and I yield back.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:07:41 – 2:07:50

Thank you, Miss Gendlin. Is there further discussion on the amendment? Hearing none, the question is on the amendment. All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:07:51 – 2:07:51

Aye.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:07:52 – 2:07:53

those opposed say no

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:07:53 – 2:07:53

no no

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:07:53 – 2:07:56

no in the opinion chair of the no's have it

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:07:55 – 2:07:57

and request recorded vote

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:07:56 – 2:08:00

miss ganlin requests a recorded vote the clerk will call the roll

Clerk2:08:00 – 2:08:03

miss fishbach miss fishbach no mr. Norman

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:01 – 2:08:03

no no

Clerk2:08:03 – 2:08:05

mr. Norman no mr. Roy miss Houchin

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:05 – 2:08:05

no

Clerk2:08:05 – 2:08:06

miss Houchin no mr. Langworthy

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:06 – 2:08:06

no

Clerk2:08:06 – 2:08:08

mr. Langworthy no mr. Scott

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:08 – 2:08:08

no

Clerk2:08:08 – 2:08:09

mr. Scott no mr. Griffith

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:09 – 2:08:10

no

Clerk2:08:10 – 2:08:11

mr. Griffith no mr. Jack

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:11 – 2:08:11

no

Clerk2:08:11 – 2:08:13

mr. Jack no mr. McGovern

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:12 – 2:08:13

aye

Clerk2:08:13 – 2:08:14

mr. McGovern aye miss Ganlin

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:08:14 – 2:08:15

aye

Clerk2:08:15 – 2:08:18

miss Ganlin aye mr. Neguse miss Ledger-Fernandez madam chair

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:08:18 – 2:08:19

no

Clerk2:08:18 – 2:08:19

madam chair no

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:08:20 – 2:08:22

The clerk will report the total.

Clerk2:08:22 – 2:08:23

Two yeas, eight nays.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:08:24 – 2:08:31

The no's have it, the amendment is not agreed to. Further discussion on the motion from the gentleman from Virginia,

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:08:30 – 2:08:30

Amendment.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:08:31 – 2:08:32

Mister McGovern.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:08:33 – 2:08:45

Yeah, I I just I I wanna request unanimous consent to insert into the record written testimony from Repos- Representative Walken Shaw in support of amendments number six eight twenty nine thirty three thirty nine forty one and forty six, to HR eighty four sixty nine.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:08:46 – 2:08:47

Without objection, so ordered.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:08:47 – 2:08:49

Well, we have no further amendments.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:08:49 – 2:09:00

Thank you, Mister McGovern. So, hearing no further discussion, the questions on the motion from the gentlemen from Virginia. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:09:00 – 2:09:01

Aye. Aye.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:01 – 2:09:01

Aye.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:09:01 – 2:09:01

Aye.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:02 – 2:09:03

Those opposed say no.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:09:03 – 2:09:04

No. No.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:04 – 2:09:07

In the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. The motion is agreed to.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:09:06 – 2:09:08

But as for roll call.

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:08 – 2:09:13

Mister McGovern requests a roll, a roll call vote. The clerk will call the roll.

Clerk2:09:13 – 2:09:13

Mrs. Fischbach.

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:09:13 – 2:09:14

Yes. Aye.

Clerk2:09:14 – 2:09:21

Mrs. Fischbach, aye. Mister Norman. Mister Norman, aye. Mister Roy. Mister Salchun. Mister Salchun, aye. Mister Langworthy. mr. langworthy aye mr. scott

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:09:21 – 2:09:21

aye

Clerk2:09:21 – 2:09:23

mr. scott aye mr. griffith

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:09:23 – 2:09:23

aye

Clerk2:09:23 – 2:09:24

mr. griffith aye mr. jack

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:09:24 – 2:09:25

aye

Clerk2:09:24 – 2:09:26

mr. jack aye mr. mcgovern

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:09:26 – 2:09:26

no

Clerk2:09:26 – 2:09:27

mr. mcgovern no miss galin

Rep. Scanlon (PA-5)2:09:27 – 2:09:28

no

Clerk2:09:28 – 2:09:31

miss galin no mr. niggins miss ledger fernandez madam chair

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:31 – 2:09:32

aye

Clerk2:09:32 – 2:09:32

madam chair aye

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:34 – 2:09:36

the clerk will report the total

Clerk2:09:36 – 2:09:38

eight yeas two nays

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:38 – 2:09:45

and the ayes have it the motion to report is agreed to mr. griffiths will be managing the rule for the majority

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:09:45 – 2:09:46

and i will of course

Rep. Foxx (NC-5)2:09:46 – 2:09:54

and mr. mcgovern will for the minority further discussion without objection the committee is adjourned

Rep. McGovern (MA-2)2:09:56 – 2:10:03

thank you alright so i'm sorry i'm sorry um thank you yeah yeah i might go on and do my best to answer that you're welcome you're welcome

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