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Hearings to examine Supporting Families in the Sandwich Generation.

Wednesday, May 13, 2026

Summary

  • Sen. Kim introduced bicameral legislation requiring national surveys to count multigenerational caregivers to make 11-16 million sandwich families visible for policymaking.
  • Jason Resendez (President and CEO, National Alliance for Caregiving) said 16 million sandwich caregivers average 22 weekly care hours with severe financial and health tolls.
  • Sen. Kim asked Meghan Maher (End-of-Life Doula & Sandwich Generation Caregiver) about navigating Medicare and finances after crisis-driven caregiving entry and she cited lack of guidance on supports.
  • Sen. Gillibrand (D-NY) blamed funding cuts for gutting home services while Sen. Scott stressed fraud accountability, though both backed Older Americans Act reauthorization.
  • Lawmakers will advance caregiver tax credits, paid leave, Social Security credits and Older Americans Act reauthorization as hearing record stays open until next Wednesday.

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Sen. Scott (FL)16:26 – 20:10

the uss special community of nature will now come to order right now across the country millions of americans are being squeezed from both sides uh they they are raising children uh working full time at the same time caring for an aging parent who needs them and i want to thank senator kim for uh for talking he talks about this quite a bit we call this group the sandwich generation and washington has not done nearly enough to recognize them support them or simply even say we see you the numbers are striking an estimated eleven million americans are simultaneously caring for a child and an older adult many are doing this while working full time but too many find that balance impossible most are exhausted overwhelmed, and doing it all quietly without complaint. One in five family caregivers have has reduced their work hours or left the workforce entirely to provide care. That is not just personal sacrifice, that is lost wages and lost retirement savings that compounds over a lifetime. The estimated economic value of unpaid family caregiving in this country is six hundred billion dollars every year. These are sons, daughters, and spouses who have stepped up because they love someone. Love doesn't pay the bills. Right now our tax code, our federal programs, and our social infrastructure hasn't kept pace with what these families actually need. That's why I'm proud to be working on multi-generational home caregiver credit act, which will provide meaningful tax relief to family caregivers who are paying out of pocket to care or care or both a child and an older adult relative in their home. I'm also proud to be a cosponsor of the alleviating barriers to caregiving act, which takes important steps to provide support and flexibility to family caregivers, navigating the complexities of federal programs. These, this committee is not a partisan committee and these aren't partisan issues, they're family issues. Let me say this clearly, we cannot talk, cannot talk about supporting family caregivers without talking about the Older Americans Act. The community programs that family caregivers depend on every single day flow through the OAA. We're talking about everything from meal delivery to respite, Respect Care and Caregiver Counseling. Reauthorization isn't an option, it is overdue. I'd like now address the sandwich generation caregivers here today, and join us virtually, we hear you. We hear your problems and we're gonna try to do something about it. What you are doing is very hard, is beautiful and exhausting at the same time, and is one of the most important things a person can do in their life. Today we want to hear your stories, understand your challenges, and make sure your voices are heard as part of the record that moves this work forward. And we cannot forget that our focus must also remain on ensuring the resources meant to help our caregivers uh make sure they're protected against bad actors who try to defraud our government and them. People can't be working, doing the difficult work of caring for their children and parents, to then get ripped off by government that lets their taxes go to fraudsters. Fraud doesn't just steal resources from and damage the integrity of good programs, it's bad for the American economy. first we saw many opposites but we've seen around the country last we saw new reports from the daily wire about massive caregiving fraud happening in columbus ohio this country is almost forty trillion dollars in debt we need accountability to insure that every taxpayer dollar meant for caregiving and for good people like the witnesses we have before us today and the millions of americans they represent is going to where it's supposed to go we have to stop the fraud and hold the perpetrators accountable i wanna thank all of our witnesses for being here today and for the work they do on behalf of caregivers and the families they support. What's gonna happen, we have three votes. So the ranking member and I are gonna have to take turns in the beginning to uh to chair this and um go um um but we'll be right back. So now let me turn over to the ranking member uh Gillibrand for her opening comments.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)20:10 – 22:25

Thank you Chairman Scott for today's hearing. Sandwich generation caregivers are under extreme stress to care for their children and aging loved ones at the same time. Today's hearing will shine a light on the immense financial and personal stress that unpaid caregivers are experiencing. Sandwich caregivers oftentimes oftentimes step back from their careers pers- and step back from their careers to meet the caregiving demands that they have. My bill, the Social Security Caregiver Credit Act, seeks to protect the retirement security of family caregivers. That stress that sandwich generation caregivers experience worsen as states grapple with the impact of the Big Beautiful Bill, which already has many states contemplating changes to the home and community-based services that help older Americans and people with disabilities live independently in their home. In December, this committee solicited statements from folks about what these services meant to them. Seniors and Americans with disabilities from all fifty states sent us more than thousand pages worth of statements just to show how critical these services are. One New Yorker's testimony sums up why these programs work. She told me that she supports community living because it " creates a sense of belonging and support that strengthens everyone involved." When the Trump administration funding for these programs like home and community-based services. They are not just striking budget line items, they're gutting the support networks that help American families stay afloat, seniors age with dignity, and people with disabilities thrive. Many of these statements we received are from the sandwich generation caregivers. Home and community-based services, along with older Americans Act programs, are lifelines to family caregivers. And there's no better one to speak about this experience than someone who lives it every day. With that, I'm very proud to yield the rest of my time to Senator Andy Kim.

Sen. Kim (NJ)22:26 – 25:11

Thank you, Ranking Member Gillibrand, thank you, Chairman and Ranking Member, for holding this hearing and working with me on these incredibly important issues. This conversation hits especially close to home for me. In April of twenty twenty four, my father lost his ability to walk after an accident. It was at that time that we also realized that he had a rapidly devolving cognition and soon after my father was formally diagnosed with alzheimer's and i stepped into this role as being a caregiver this is on top of me being a father to two little boys on top of being a us senator from that point onwards i joined the sandwich generation a community made up of millions already that are and we know that's only gonna grow larger the challenges of the sandwich generation touch all of our lives but too often go overlooked or unnoticed. I bet we all know somebody managing the care of two or more generations of loved ones, holding down a job, keeping their family afloat while being squeezed on both ends, often feeling isolated and navigating these challenges alone. Estimates show that there are over eleven million Americans in this role. By twenty thirty, baby boomers will be over the age of sixty five, and the demand on k- family caregivers, already stretched thin, will intensify. So why is the Committee on Aging talking about the sandwich generation? It's because the care that my aging father gets now is inherently tied to my ability to navigate, provide, and help pay for. We cannot talk about the care for our seniors without considering the families and the caregivers that support them. I cannot be here at this hearing right now without having a caregiver there with my father right now to insure his health. This committee has a unique ability to help caregivers be seen, heard, and understood. For two long sandwich generation caregivers have fallen through the cracks of our policy frameworks. Part of the problem is that we are in the dark about how many truly exist, because national data does not ask about multi-generational caregiving. You cannot build policy on a foundation you cannot see. That's why today I introduced bicameral legislation to add a dedicated question on multi-generational caregiving to national surveys so we can finally give the sandwich generation a permanent place in our national data. Understanding starts with listening. That's why I wanted this hearing today, to spotlight stories too often unheard. And now I want to introduce Cathy Lola, who is part of the sandwich generation in New Jersey. It is a stories like hers that we hear from now on that can best stand up for our caregivers. I hope we can show the video quickly.

Kathi Lolla (Witness)25:13 – 26:30

Chairman Scott, Ranking Member Gillibrand, and distinguished members of the aging committee, thank you for having me here today to speak. My name is Cathy Lola and I am the mother of a thirty-two year old with significant intellectual and developmental disabilities who I continue to care for at home. Several years ago my dad was diagnosed with both Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease and I became an important part At that time, I also became a sandwich generation caregiver. Many sandwich generation caregivers don't even recognize our role as caregivers, and are therefore unaware that support services may be available. From my perspective, as challenging as it was to care for multiple family members, I was even more overwhelmed by the complexity of the systems I had to navigate as I attempted to find services and support for myself and my parents. What would have made this process easier for us is having someone to guide us through these confusing and convoluted systems. Having a central hub of supports and services, as well as a navigator to assist with the processes, would have made our journey much easier. Sandwich Generation caregivers deserve more help and a better and simpler way of securing support for ourselves and those we are caring for.

Sen. Kim (NJ)26:31 – 26:35

Cathy is absolutely right, the system that caregivers navigate are

Sen. Scott (FL)26:57 – 27:25

Thank you, Sunil Kim. Um, thank you, ranking member. Our first witness is Carla Ratka, Carla Ratka. President, CEO of the Senior Resource Alliance. the Area Agency on Aging serving Central Florida. Miss Radcliffe leads an organization at the center of the caregiving support network in one of the fastest growing regions in the country. She knows firsthand what family caregivers are asking for, where the gaps are, and what it takes to deliver real services to real people in the communities. Please begin your testimony.

Karla Radka (Witness)27:26 – 33:19

Mm-hmm. Chairman Scott, Franky, Member Gilligrand, and distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to be here today. As an Area Agency on Aging, or short for Triple A, we serve older adults, caregivers and families every day who are navigating one of the most pressing and personal challenges facing the nation, and that is the caregiving crisis. In nineteen seventy-three, The Triple As were formally established in the Older Americans Act, OAA, as the on the ground organizations charged with helping vulnerable older adults live with independence and dignity in their homes and communities. For more than fifty years, the Triple As have served as local leaders in aging by planning, developing, funding, and implementing local systems of coordinating aging and other home and community-based services. While the National Family Caregiver Support Program wasn't added to OAA until two thousand as title three E, the triple As have been supporting families and caregivers of older adults for a very long time. As Senior Resource Alliance, we use this essential funding to offer family caregivers a number of critical services to shore up their own efforts, including information, resources, individual counseling, respite care, so they can take care of their duties and assist caregivers enlighten the road as they provide quality care for their loved ones. As my and other triple As across the country continue to support family caregivers, there is one population they continue to stand out. The sandwich generation. There are millions of Americans who are caring for aging parents while raising children working full-time and trying to remain financially stable. This is not an abstract policy discussion. There are real people, such as teachers, nurses, small business owners, that are doing everything right and still struggling to hold it together. The average sandwich generation caregiver for a Medicare recipient is forty four years old, significantly younger than caregivers without children's under the age of eighteen, which at average is sixty one years old. And for the sandwich generation caregivers who are employee, may report that reducing their work hours is an alternative for them when they have to care for a person and doubling the responsibilities as caregivers for the elderly and young children. Reducing hours and workforce for a caregiver also reduce their income, which put them in a struggle. At our organization, this is a very good reality that we face every day. And I would like to share with you the story of Grace. Grace is a mother of three children and also the sole caregiver of her father who is living with dementia. She wakes up multiple times on the evening, care for the medications of his father, and also to schedule doctor's appointments. The reality of having to juggle life and workforce and be on the workplace, and also caring for children is actually a very heavy burden that she has to live in. She actually shared with us that this is that she's failing at everything, at her work and at home. However, our organization has been able to support her with referrals through our provider network and to provide respite care for her she has been able to manage the situation in a very effective way the reality is that many of our caregivers are one paycheck away from crisis they are not looking for handouts they are looking for flexibility, they are looking for that opportunity to be able to have support. and to provide quality care for their loved ones, our older Americans. In terms of what the Congress can do to really support caregivers, especially the sandwich generation, well, the approval, the authorization of the Older Americans Act and the program Title Three E, which is the program that provide that respite care that is so necessary to be able to continue to provide services. Also, other bills that are in Congress that are part of my written testimony. Caregiving doesn't happen in silos. It's a family affair in supporting this ecosystem of older Americans, caregivers, and multi-generational families that are all buying together is good business. And that impact is profound. It really is good for the workforce, it's good for families, and it's good to continue to help seniors, elder Americans, to age in place in the communities they love, where they volunteer, where they worship, where they have work. It is important. The sandwich generation is holding on to other generations, so they don't have to do it alone. Thank you for allowing me to present in front of all of you and to carry the voice of the families that we serve every day. Thank you.

Sen. Scott (FL)33:20 – 33:53

Thank you, Carla. Next, I'm honored to introduce Ma- my Mayor, who also joins us from her home state of Florida. She is here today not as a Policy Expert or Program Administrator, but as a caregiver. She has lived the sandwich generation experience, balancing the demands of raising a family while caring for an aging loved one. And she has agreed to share that story with us here today. Takes courage. Voices like hers are exactly why we hold hearings like this and uh, Washington DC. Uh, we need to hear directly from the people these policies are meant to serve. Thank you for being here today and please begin your testimony.

Meghan Maher (Witness)33:57 – 38:28

Chairman Scott, Ranking Member Gillibrand, and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today, and for your leadership in advancing legislation that recognizes and supports family caregivers. My name is Megan Marr, I live in Florida, and I am a sandwich caregiver. I am raising two school-age children while also providing ongoing support to my father and his wife. I am also an only child. There is no one to share this role with. Whatever needs to happen, I am the one. I care for my family because I love them. That love is not a burden. It is the reason. Everything I share today comes from that. My caregiving began in twenty thirteen. seven weeks after my oldest son was born, when my mother was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. I have never known motherhood without also being a caregiver. A few years later, as my mother's health declined, my parents moved into our home. I had a toddler and a baby. I was providing hands-on care for my mother while raising young children. That is what sandwich caregiving can look like at its most literal. a dying parent in one room, a baby in another, and you in the middle. My mother died in twenty seventeen. Three months later, my father became critically ill. There was no pause. Caregiving does not observe a mourning period. My father survived that crisis, but my role as his caregiver never truly ended. Today, he is in the early stages of mild cognitive impairment. The type of support I provide has changed, but it has not lessened. I attend medical, legal, and financial appointments in person and on the phone. I track changes, manage communication, and help navigate decisions. I support him and his wife across state lines because they split their time between Florida and South Carolina. I am the thread of continuity in his care. And all of that exists alongside raising my children, who need a present mother. The hardest part is not any one responsibility. It's that every role matters. There is no version of this where everyone gets enough of me. Many of, much of this work is invisible. It's coordination, advocacy, communication, problem solving, tasks, and holding the full picture. It runs in the background of every day, and it is unpredictable. Care needs don't follow a schedule. Even when resources are available, care is not necessarily accessible. You cannot always find trusted support on short notice. The barrier is not only cost, it is logistical, administrative, and ongoing. Families and care providers are both doing the best they can within a system that was not designed for how caregiving actually unfolds. Caregiving has also reshaped my professional life. I am self-employed in large part because traditional employment could not accommodate the unpredictability of being a sandwich caregiver. The flexibility of self-employment comes with real financial and professional trade-offs. There is a cost to carrying all of this, and it lives in the body. It affects sleep, health, and well-being. It means deferring your own medical appointments, because there is often something more urgent. The loneliness of it also goes unspoken. There is a particular kind of isolation that comes from being the person who holds the full picture. Even when you are not physically alone, you are the one holding it all the time. My experience is not unique. That is exactly the problem. There are millions of sandwich caregivers across the country, largely without systems that recognize or support the full scope of what they are carrying. Families like mine do this because we love each other, but love is not a policy. Caregivers need systems that reflect the reality of what this requires, flexible support, accessible care, and infrastructure that accounts for the full scope of this role. Thank you.

Sen. Scott (FL)38:32 – 38:57

Thank you, Miss Marm. Now I'd like to introduce Jason Resendiz, President and CEO of the National Alliance for Caregiving, the nation's largest leading non-profit research and advocacy organization focused exclusively on family caregiving. He brings a national perspective to the caregiving crisis, backed by research, data and years of experience, working across the policy landscape to advance support for family caregivers of all ages and backgrounds. Please begin your testimony.

Jason Resendez (Witness)38:58 – 43:44

Chairman Scott, Ranking Member Gillibrand, and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today about the crisis facing our nation's sandwich generation caregivers. The millions of Americans caring for children and adult at the same time, often invisibly and almost always without enough support. This is an issue that's deeply personal to me and I know for many of you. I grew up watching my mom balance a full-time job while raising three kids and caring for my grandmother through multiple chronic conditions. It was tough work, and she did it out of a deep sense of love and commitment to her family, but also out of a necessity. There were no alternatives in our small South Texas town. For as long as I can remember, my mom dreamed of becoming a s- an accountant, but she was never able to finish college. Her dream took a backseat to her caregiving responsibilities. And the cost wasn't just a degree. It was a lifetime of lower wages, fewer opportunities, and a smaller retirement. Because the year she spent caring for her mother didn't count towards social security the way that paid work does. And my family's story isn't unique. According to research from the National Alliance for Caregiving, which I lead, and AARP, there are sixty-three million adults, nearly one in four Americans, now providing ongoing demanding care to a family member or friend with a serious illness or disability. That is a nearly fifty percent increase in just a decade. Sixteen million are sandwich generation caregivers, raising a child or a grandchild at home while caring for an adult loved one. That's about one in three family caregivers in the sandwich generation. The typical sandwich caregiver is a woman in her early forties, more than a decade younger than the average caregiver, juggling three roles at the same time, a job, her kids, and a loved one who needs care. This work is not occasional. provide an average of twenty-two hours of care each week, a part-time job on top of their parenting. More than sixty percent perform medical or nursing tasks at home, managing medications, dressing wounds, changing feeding tubes, and four in ten do so without any prior training. These are ordinary Americans providing extraordinary care. And the economic toll is severe. Fifty-eight percent of sandwiched caregivers experience at least one negative financial impact. like taking on debt, depleting savings, losing income, or leaving the workforce entirely. These are people in the prime earning years, and the costs compound across decades into smaller retirements and tighter household budgets. The personal toll runs alongside the financial. One in three sandwich caregivers reports high emotional stress, and many say caregiving has worsened their own health. Most did not choose this role, it found them. And the overwhelming majority tell us they need more help to make this care work. And make no mistake, this is work. AARP estimates that family caregivers now provide more than one trillion dollars worth of care each year. They are the invisible backbone of our economy and our long-term care system. Family caregivers are clear about what would make a difference. They need f- meaningful financial relief to offset the rising out-of-pocket costs of care. They need a retirement system that recognizes caregiving as the work it is. They want paid family medical leave to help balance the responsibilities of caring for a loved one while working. And they need easier access to the fragmented maze of benefits and supports that so many struggle on top of the hard work of care to access. There is legislation before Congress that responds directly to each of these needs. The multi-generational home caregiver credit act introduced by Chairman Scott and Senator Welch will provide tax relief to families providing care across generations. The Social Security Caregiver Credit Act, championed by ranking member Gillibrand and Senator Murphy, would credit caregivers up to five years towards their social security benefits. And the alleviating barriers for Caregivers Act from Senators Markey and Capito, would identify ways to reduce the administrative burden on family caregivers as they try to access programs like Medicare or Medicaid. And the Senior Act from Chairman Scott and Senator Smith would address caregiver loneliness as the public health concern that it is. and the Family Act, championed by ranking member Gillibrand, would establish our nation's first ever paid family and medical leave program. Paired with reauthorization and robust funding for the Older Americans Act, these bills would bring us closer to a society that truly values and invests in family caregivers. Senators, my mom gave up her degree, her career, and her financial future to care for the woman who raised her. Millions of Americans are doing the exact same thing right now

Sen. Scott (FL)44:02 – 44:36

Thank you, Mr. Resendiz. Um, now I'd like to introduce Josh Portas, Vice President of Policy and Advocacy at Meals on Wheels America, the national leadership organization supporting the network of more than five thousand community-based senior nutrition programs operating in communities across the country he understands better than almost anyone what it means when older adults can stay safely in their homes and what is lost when the programs that support them go underfunded or unauthorized that connection between community services federal policy and family caregivers is at the heart of what we are exploring today please begin your testimony

Josh Protas (Witness)44:38 – 50:10

good afternoon chairman scott ranking member jillibrand and members of the committee Thank you for the opportunity to testify at this hearing. My name is Josh Protis and I'm proud to serve as the Chief Advocacy and Policy Officer for Meals on Wheels America, here on behalf of a nationwide network of more than five thousand community-based senior nutrition programs serving older adults, in nearly every community. For millions of families, Meals on Wheels starts with a nutritious meal, but it offers so much more. It's a knock on the door, a safety check, a moment of human connection, a referral to other supportive services, and peace of mind for an adult daughter or son who is trying to work, raise children, and care for an aging parent all at the same time. The underpinning of all of this is the Older Americans Act. The Meals on Wheels service model sets the gold standard for successful public-private partnership, working to reduce nutritional risk and social isolation while saving taxpayer dollars, by ensuring that older adults live safer and longer in their own homes, and keeping them out of costly health care and long-term care settings. We can provide Meals on Wheels services to a vulnerable older adult for an entire year for roughly the same cost as one day in the hospital or twelve days in a nursing home. But federal funding has not kept pace with increasing need among our our nation's rapidly growing senior populat population and rising costs for food, fuel, and program operations. One in three Meals on Wheels providers report keeping a wait list, with seniors waiting an average of four months for the care they need and deserve. Too many families are left to absorb the consequences on their own. That challenge is only growing, with twelve thousand people in America turning sixty years old every day, and more older adults struggling to afford their basic needs. The number of seniors with low or very low food security quadrupled between nineteen ninety nine and twenty twenty three. But over this same period, the buying power of federal funding for the OAA nutrition program actually decreased, And the program was serving meals to roughly the same number of seniors in twenty twenty four as it did twenty five years earlier in nineteen ninety nine. This results in escalating unmet need. MAG Aging and Family Services in Orem, Utah, shared that "Due to lack of funding, we've had to resort to removing clients who have in-home support from family members. Our waiting list continues to grow. This has resulted in a lot of panicked seniors and caregivers who are heavily reliant on our program." When community programs cannot keep up, the burden shifts onto family caregivers who are already stretched thin. That can mean more missed work, more stress, more out of pocket costs, and more fear that a loved one is going without food, safety, or connection. For these meal, for these families, Meals on Wheels can bridge the gap between the, what they want to provide and what they can realistically do on their own. This is especially important for caregivers who live at a distance and cannot be present every day. This matters because the older adults served by Meals on Wheels are often the most vulnerable in our communities. Many live with multiple chronic conditions, limited mobility, cognitive decline, disability, or social isolation. Without dependable support, they face greater risk of malnutrition, falls, hospitalization, and premature nursing home placements. The relatively small upfront federal investment to provide Meals on Wheels services is smart fiscal policy. because it prevents more costly interventions downstream. Plus, when we support seniors being able to live independently at home, we reduce the strain on already overburdened hospitals and nursing homes. When Saish reached out to Meals on Wheels, et cetera, in Samford, Florida for help, he couldn't stand for long and was dealing with diabetes, memory loss, and repeated falls that made cooking dangerous. Some days he would just go to bed hungry. Saish had to be placed on a wait list with more than four hundred other seniors, due to funding constraints. He waited three long years for support. While he waited, his energy dwindled and his world shrank. When a meal slot finally opened up, his life changed overnight, and he regained his strength, independence, and a sense of connection. He said, " Meals on Wheels is lifesaving. For people like me, it means everything." For caregivers, that, this kind of support can be the difference between staying in the workforce and cutting back hours, between stability in crisis, between constant fear, and peace of mind. Meals on Wheels cannot solve every challenge that families caught in the middle face, but it can remove some of the daily pressures that push families to the breaking point. During his historic visit with Meals on Wheels of Central Maryland last year, Secretary Kennedy noted the importance of strong support so that Meals on Wheels programs can reach all in need. "History will judge the humanity of our civilization by how we care for our elderly," he said. "Meals on Wheels does not just provide nutrition for the malnourished, It combats the epidemic of loneliness through daily acts of care and compassion. President Trump has asked us at HHS to continue supporting Meals on Wheels so that no American in their twilight years feels forgotten. Vulnerable seniors, their caregivers, and the Meals on Wheels providers that serve them are still waiting to be prioritized. It's time to end the wait. I urge you to prioritize increased funding for Meals on Wheels and other older Americans Act services, as essential supports for both seniors and their family caregivers. Thank you again for this, for holding this hearing on this important topic, and for your bipartisan leadership on behalf of older Americans and their families.

Rebecca Preve (Witness)50:18 – 57:12

Thank you to Chairman Scott, Ranking Member Gillibrand, and uh Senator Kim for allowing us to testify at this hearing today. I'm with the Association on Aging in New York and I have the distinct honor the fifty-nine area agencies on aging in the state of New York that do incredible work day in and day out, not only for older New Yorkers but also for family caregivers. And I wanna start the conversation by framing it, because I think ageism is something that we see throughout not only legislative priorities but also funding. And I wanna highlight that supporting family caregivers and older Americans should be an expectation, not an afterthought. Older Americans contribute one third of the overall economic impact and output in this country, and are worth over nine trillion dollars annually. From an equity perspective, they deserve to be supported as do their caregivers. Family caregivers you've heard from my colleagues today are the backbone of the economy in the nation and they're largely invisible in policy and funding decisions. Across the United States, more than sixty million caregivers provide essential support to loved ones with a chronic illness a disability or age-related needs. Nearly one in four adults is a caregiver and mu- most provide this without any form of compensation. These caregivers are not just helping families, they're sustaining our entire health care system. In New York alone, more than four point one million caregivers provide uncompensated care to the tune of fifty eight billion dollars per year in economic activity. Nationally unpaid caregivers exceed one trillion dollars to this country, and yet we're failing to support those sandwich generation caregivers. At the same time, our demand is rapidly rising. We now have between seventy five and eighty million adults over the age of sixty. That number continues to grow. Many caregivers are part of the sandwich generation, balancing care for aging relatives, while raising children, including those with disabilities who live in an entirely different ecosystem than aging services do. One in three family caregivers are sandwich generation and they face the highest incidence of documented mental health and work force impacts. These individuals face intense competing demands on their time, their finances, and their overall well-being. Research indicates that eighty-five percent of sandwich generation caregivers report at least one adverse mental health impact. Serious suicidal ideation exists in fifty percent of sandwich generation caregivers in the past thirty day period which is eight times the odds of the normal adult population the strain on caregivers is only increasing as our long-term care system undergoes significant change since twenty twenty the US has lost more than seven hundred and fifty skilled nursing facilities due to workforce shortages rising cost and financial instability when these facilities close the need for care does not disappear it's transitioned to community based settings and mostly on family caregivers. At the same time, H R one and the reduction in Medicaid funds, new eligibility requirements and assessments will make access to home and community-based services harder to obtain and further push individuals to area agencies on aging that already have enormous wait lists. Despite these stark realities, federal investment in caregivers has not kept pace. Under the Older Americans Act, the National Family Caregiver Support Program receives only about two hundred million annually that's less than ten percent of all OAA funding. This is a small fraction compared to the economic value caregivers provide every every year, and the consequences of the imbalance are significant. For working caregivers, responsibilities often mean reducing hours, taking unpaid leave, or leaving the workforce entirely, leading to lost wages, reduced retirement savings, and long-term financial insecurity. Additionally, caregivers spend more than the general public out of their own pockets each year, almost ten thousand dollars in additional funds. We have over four million workers that have left for caregiving roles since the COVID-nineteen pandemic at an economic cost of forty four billion dollars in lost wages. I wanna talk for a moment about uh area agencies on aging and why they contribute to the cost savings to not only caregivers but the Medicaid system. Our average client statewide, if you looked at all our programs and services, is an eighty-three year old low income female who lives alone, has four to ten chronic conditions like diabetes and congestive heart failure, needs assistance with activities of daily living like bathing, toileting and dressing, and we're serving them in their homes and communities on average for seven years for less than ten thousand dollars a piece. If that individual was assessed for nursing home or assisted living placement, they would qualify to the tune of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars on the Medicaid scorecard. So again, I wanna I wanna highlight New York, and I really wanna comment on our State Unit on Aging and the Director um of NYSOFA, Greg Olson, who is leading the nation in innovations. What we're asked here today is to come up with solutions to some of these problems in New York. has done exactly that. We first looked at how we could support caregivers and taking a a real temperature of what was happening with caregivers in the state of New York. So under Commissioner Olson's leadership the state went through a comprehensive working caregiver initiative where they they not only surveyed state employees but they also surveyed private sector employees and they found exactly what we've talked about today that people really need to be supportive because they're they're either leaving the workforce entirely they're reducing their hours, They're having mental health adverse effects, and so we came up with the solution. Uh, we know that workers need to be supported and have access to services, or these things happen to them. So, Nysoph's response was to provide free for any New Yorker under the New York Caregiver Portal an evidence-based online platform known as True Alta, which is supporting thousands of caregivers across the state of New York, and has actually booked about eleven million dollars in savings from uh delay in skilled nursing facility placements. and caregiver support in the community uh that reduced emergency department visits. We also have partnered with AnyCare Counts New York, which is using the caregiver intensity index to quickly within two minutes um assess the caregiver and determine are they in the red, yellow, or green, which do they have a mental health impact, are they doing okay, are they not. And then you're instantly linked to resources that assist you, including localized resources for the state of New York, but also in every state in the nation. State innovation alone cannot meet the scale of this challenge, though federal leadership is essential. We're respectfully urging Congress to take the following actions. Increase funding for the National Family Caregiver Support Program and all of the older Americans Act programs that have been spoken about today. Provide direct financial relief to caregivers through tax credits, stipends, and expanded Medicaid support. Strengthen workplace policies, including paid family and medical leave and flexible work arrangements to help caregivers remain in the workforce. ensure caregivers have access to training, maintain the independence of the Administration for Community Living as a federal authority dedicated to aging and disability services and reauthorize the Older Americans Act, and know that family caregivers are critical, yet often invisible part of our national healthcare infrastructure. They allow millions of older adults and individuals with disabilities to remain in their homes and communities, while saving the system billions of dollars each year. It's time to move beyond recognizing caregivers as heroes and instead provide the policies,

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)57:18 – 57:21

i'd now like to call on senator kim uh for his questions

Sen. Kim (NJ)57:22 – 59:27

thank you ranking member and thank you all for uh your comments here today uh miss uh mayor i would like to start with you just first of all thank you for sharing and when you talked about just the isolation and the loneliness that you feel i i feel it too and uh i know many others do as well And I hope by hearing your story, hearing my story, hearing what we're talking about here today, I hope many that feel invisible, feel lonely, recognize that no, there there's many going through this together. And as you said, you know, look, many of us are are are are are ready to step up for our loved ones and try to help. You know, we're we're we're not asking for the moon, but the way I sort of say is like, but it still doesn't have to be this hard. you know and i think one thing that stood out in your comments that i hear from so many others is many of us entered the sandwich generation first of all i didn't even fully understand that term and then someone came up to me and was like oh you're part of the sandwich generation i'm like i guess but like you know you're just so far deep in it you don't even time to step back sometimes and even assess that but what you said i think stood out that i hear from so many others is that many of us enter this designation of sandwich generation through crisis uh you know i had the such circumstance where my father is literally going through surgery uh you know we're we're finding all sorts of other problems simultaneously and there uh now all of a sudden i'm being asked to make decisions about his health i'm being asked to understand you know his medicare uh levels and and and i i'm trying to understand his financial uh security when i'd you know i was not uh you know somebody that had um you know uh uh you know uh attorney privileges or or had any other access so i think just initially i was just overwhelmed and i guess i just wanted to ask you to kinda talk through this like the complexity of navigating you know medicare healthcare uh you know the financial systems and other things to be able to assess can you talk a little bit about how that affected you

Meghan Maher (Witness)59:30 – 1:01:01

absolutely so much of what you said resonates with me um certainly with my mom i kinda call it i didn't know what i didn't know as far as supports and services that might be available through federal or community programs um i had no idea and when moving through healthcare providers the hospital systems discharge planners we were never told about anything that might be available for families like us. So, I didn't know what was there. And uh what you spoke about where you're kind of initiated in at a critical moment, and suddenly you are the healthcare surrogate and you're making decisions. Um I did not have to do that for my mom and my dad and I have had many conversations and planning meetings ahead of time about that but i know that's not the case with for many families and they're kind of launched into this having no idea maybe what their older loved one even wants maybe their older loved one doesn't even have advanced directives so maybe they haven't even made that decision for themselves and then they're left kind of guessing

Sen. Kim (NJ)1:01:01 – 1:01:53

yeah no i think that the planning and and trying to have that opportunity is something i'm trying to help engage but also who do we turn to you know for that and mister uh mister i wanted to turn to you you know there was a quote that stood out to me when i was reading about the you know the start of medicare for instance uh you know president johnson and truman did this press conference together and there's a line here i wanted to read to you it says quote no longer will illness crush and destroy the savings that they have so carefully put away over a lifetime so that they might enjoy dignity in their later years. No longer will young families see their own incomes and their own hopes eaten away simply because they are carrying out their deep moral obligations to their parents and to their uncles and their aunts. I wanted to ask you, do you feel like this original promise is being borne out in full right now, or do we still have work to do?

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:01:55 – 1:02:58

We have uh we've come a long way, I'll say that, in terms of the role of medicare's recognition of the importance of supporting the health of older adults across the country in terms of uh the way that we are investing in uh the health of older adults uh i we see that borne out by the longevity boom that we're experiencing in this country but yet we have a tremendous road still ahead we are living longer but we are living longer in poor health and because of that the demands on family caregivers have only increased. And one area where Medicare has not kept up is in recognizing the role that family caregivers play in supporting uh Medicare beneficiaries. Uh, so in terms of providing direct support for family caregivers navigating what is complex care, right, changing wound uh dressings, uh, feeding tubes, PIC lines, these are things that have historically taken place in acute care settings, certainly in the time

Sen. Kim (NJ)1:02:58 – 1:02:59

you know

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:02:58 – 1:03:16

uh when the program was established uh it's now more and more happening in the home and yet family caregivers receive very little support and training that's starting to change in the medicare program and i think that's the next frontier as policymakers start to think about modernizing medicare to rise to the moment that we're in for family caregivers

Sen. Kim (NJ)1:03:16 – 1:04:43

no thank you so much i agree wholeheartedly we've made great progress and i read that quote not to necessarily say you know we have not made more progress but to try to recommit ourselves at this point to trying to follow through to that original goal that we can have that sense of stability and security at a time when we are living longer that we are finding ourselves sometimes in poor health but we're also seeing healthcare expenses significantly higher than where we saw before families spread out further and other challenges and one last thing i wanted to just ask mister resendez is that yeah i i i recently just introduced as i said this legislation today called the multi-generational caregiving data act uh mostly because i i'm just trying to again make sure that we're being seen that we understand and we can make real rational decisions based off of that data i wanted to just ask you what you think you know whether or not you think that the lack of this comprehensive data so far has hurt our ability to fully understand what is the effects of multi generational caregiving in terms of the limits on our ability to fully understand what these families need and how this data might be able to help policymakers, help us identify some of the gaps that are out there. You know, we hear the anecdotal stories that are so powerful, but what what is it that the data can do to be able to help us drive towards solutions going forward?

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:04:43 – 1:05:39

Absolutely. Uh, thank you, Senator Kim, for your leadership in advancing uh that piece of legislation. Uh, data is absolutely critical to helping us understand the full scope of the challenges that family caregivers uh particularly uh sandwich caregivers. And so having better data uh gives us the ability to make better decisions, to understand how uh caregiving uh changes state to state, uh uh federal program to federal program. Uh so data absolutely can help drive uh change in health, drive accountability, right? We're not gonna change what we don't measure. And so by having stronger data systems in place, we can hold ourselves accountable we can hold policymakers accountable we can hold states accountable uh for the progress they're making in responding to the data that uh starts to come in because of of these new tools and measurement opportunities

Sen. Kim (NJ)1:05:39 – 1:06:04

yeah well thank you so much uh chairman again thank you for holding this hearing working with me on these you know we have some real ideas you have uh ideas as a ranking member myself and others you know i hope that this committee can really try to accelerate that know so the hearing is is really wonderful um but what our caregivers what the sandwich generation needs is is real solutions and i'm grateful that you're willing to be part of the effort to be able to deliver that thank you chairman

Sen. Scott (FL)1:06:04 – 1:06:30

well senior karen thanks you for caring about this and thanks for your focus on this uh miss ratcliffe the senior act includes provisions specifically designed to support multi-generational families and connect them to the broader community services network from your experience operating at the local level how important is it the federal agency policy thinks about the whole family unit rather than just the older adult in in isolation, and what does it mean for how you design and deliver programs.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:06:32 – 1:08:03

I think that supporting multiple generation households and to be able to support the whole family as a whole is a good business, because what we're talking about in here is that caregiving is not done in silos, it's a family affair And when we support the family, we heal the world. We're taking care of the family as a whole unit, and especially in multi-generational families where the grandparents create an incredible environment for grandchildren. The studies and research show us that when grandparents are present on the life of a person younger than eighteen there is less anxiety and less turmoil. And then we know that for grandparents that are dealing with isolation, the presence of grandchildren is essential for quality of life. We have multiple families and especially in in minority communities where multigenerational families are part of the whole household. And then providing that support to maintain that unit is a good business. It's good for the workforce because the caregiver can continue to have presence on the workforce and take care of their financial resources and be a part of a financial contributor to the family is good for the quality of life for the senior, and is good for children who learn responsibility and compassion by having the elderly, older Americans living at home.

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:08:04 – 1:08:04

Thank you.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:08:06 – 1:08:41

Ms. Barr, one of one of the things we hear from sandwich generation caregivers across the country is that even when they can afford to pay for some help at home, the system makes it entirely possible to get it. Home care as a agency often require minimum number of hours per visit, uh, or per week. And for a family that just needs a few hours of intermittent help, those minimums can can make professional home care completely out of reach. Has that been your experience? And what could you, when, uh, you could not get the flexible, affordable help you needed, who filled that gap? Uh, was it you or somebody else?

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:08:44 – 1:09:57

Thank you for talking about this important and often unseen part of sandwich caregiving. This is absolutely probably one of the largest challenges of sandwich caregiving I ever had. It was when I was caring for my mom and my dad, when uh my sons were younger and their hands-on caregiving needs were different than they are now, it is it was virtually impossible to find trusted support, intermittent care for them when I wanted to go with my mom to her infusions or oncology appointment or with my dad. Um, it was very difficult to find that type of care. And when we did find somebody that we trusted we ultimately chose to have her come for more hours every week than what we ultimately needed to be able to have her and have her available because when you find somebody you trust you do whatever you can to keep them.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:09:59 – 1:10:21

Thanks. Mister Rosen, as I've been working on the multi-generational home caregiver credit act which would provide direct tax relief to family caregivers who are supporting both the child and an older adult in their home from our research and policy standpoint what does the evidence tell us about the financial burden facing these families and why is a tax-based approach the right vehicle to provide meaningful relief

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:10:22 – 1:11:50

absolutely we know that there are tremendous uh responsibilities that come with caregiving financial being uh chief among them uh more than uh forty eight percent of family caregivers experience at least one negative financial impact because of their caregiving responsibility, that number goes up for center generation caregivers who are balancing both the financial responsibilities of having children, alongside the financial responsibilities of caring for an adult with a serious illness or disabilities. We also know from our research that over half of family caregivers say they want uh a tax credit to recognize and support their caregiving responsibilities. On average, family caregivers um shoulder around seven thousand to ten thousand dollars in out of pocket cost uh due to their caregiving roles uh things like home modifications transportation medical expenses that the tax code does nothing to recognize i'm married to a teacher and when we buy school supplies we can deduct those from our taxes that's not the case for family caregivers shouldering caregiving responsibilities so by enabling the tax code to recognize and provide a credit for family, caregivers shouldering, uh, multi-generational care, we say that we see and value, uh, those expenses and want to meaningfully address them, uh, through, uh, a more inclusive and caregiver-friendly tax system.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:11:51 – 1:11:59

Thank you. Mr. Pardes, the Older Americans Act is the backbone of the community nutrition programs your network depends on, right?

Josh Protas (Witness)1:11:59 – 1:12:00

Yes.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:12:00 – 1:12:20

we have been working hard to get the oaa reauthorized and remember jill brett and i are are leading that effort what is the current state of the meals on wheels network in terms of capacity and demand and what would a strong fully reauthorized oaa mean for your ability to serve older adults and give family caregivers some relief

Josh Protas (Witness)1:12:21 – 1:14:43

uh thank you for the question chairman scott and uh want to say thank you for your leadership uh particularly on the senior act that addresses social isolation and loneliness such an important issue um yes we've been waiting for the reauthorization of the older americans act um as you know there was a bipartisan bicameral agreement at the end of twenty twenty four we would love to see that bill that has broad consensus uh be resolved and reauthorized by the end of this congress um as soon as possible um seniors are waiting they're waiting to be prioritized i think and we've heard a lot here today that the needs of seniors and their caregivers just do not receive the attention or the priority consideration that they need um for meals on wheels programs um they're struggling as i mentioned in my written testimony and in my presentation one in three meals on wheels providers has a wait list right now um sometimes that wait list is into the years uh before a senior can get the help they need so reauthorization of the older americans would send a strong message that these programs are important, they need support, but that also has to happen in the annual appropriations process. Currently for uh title three C programs, the the OAA nutrition program, uh the current funding is one point O six billion dollars. Um that hasn't changed over the last few years, and in fact it took a cut for the first time in FY twenty four. We calculate that the need is much much greater than that, so the with the one point O six billion dollars we're feeding about two point six million seniors and providing those moments of care and connection gao estimates that there are another two point five million low income food insecure seniors who are in need who are not being served and to put in context why it's such a smart investment to make sure that we're not leaving seniors behind um our estimate of of the funding necessary to reach all food insecure low income seniors need is two point two eight five billion dollars. That's less than that's less than a quarter of what social isolation costs Medicare annually. So, we can make a smart investment up front and have tremendous savings downstream. Uh, but we just have not made the investments for the infrastructure for the supports that we know work.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:14:44 – 1:15:11

Thank you. Uh, Miss Brief, I represent Florida and ranking member Gillibrand represents New York. two very different states in a lot of ways but i suspect when it comes to sandwich generation caregivers the stories you hear in new york are not all that different from the ones miss ratka hears in central florida so what does a caregiving crisis look like in new york and what do you think the two states have in common when it comes to what families actually need we have better beaches so i assume

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:15:09 – 1:18:15

well first first thank you for the question and my colleague carly takes all of our volunteers from the state of new york during the hard winter months. Um, you're absolutely right. It doesn't matter what state you are in in this country. The issue of sandwich generation caregivers, um, is a story that we hear everywhere. And what I find, um, really pertinent to the caregiving conversation is caregiving touches every one of us, regardless of political party, regardless of religious beliefs. Um, we're all faced with caregiving at one point in our lives. And one of the things that we know from data is that if you support caregivers, you get way more in economic return than you do if you don't support caregivers. And you see that in a variety of different entities, including people leaving the workforce, but I think um what's striking to me, and I still do home visits. I've I've been in this work for twenty years, I love spending time in living rooms, I hear the same story regardless of who the caregiver is or who the care receiver is, we just need some help. And by the time a caregiver is ready to ask for help, they're already at a crisis point because people like Senator Kim try to do this work on their own for far too long. with poor health outcomes for the their loved one because they don't have any supports. But I also think in the work that I do it's always really important to make the economic case on why investments are important because I know we're laser focused on budgets and you know just to to share with you a a a couple tidbits um seventy two percent of sandwich generation caregivers have reduced or stopped contributing to their retirement plans so we're gonna see a cascade effect of of this as people get older they're withdrawing funds from retirement accounts Switching from full-time to part-time on average, you're losing twenty-one thousand dollars of income per year for your earnings. Lifetime employment losses are over six hundred thousand dollars in a caregiver's lifetime. But more importantly, you're reducing spending on non-essent essential items. Seventy-two percent of sandwich generation caregivers eliminate vacations, don't take additional school trips, reduce their hobbies. Forty-five percent of sandwich generation caregivers re report taking on credit card debt. So we're going in the opposite direction with that statistic. Um and sixty-two percent of people with minor children delay getting married or having additional children due to their caregiver issues. So we're multiplying the problem um which comes down to math of the the percentage of older people in the population with younger caregivers. And again, states like New York and Florida um were top four as far as overall population is considered and there truly has not been enough funding through the older Americans act in decades to support those caregivers. And the burden not just falls on the states, it falls on the localities that are filling those holes, because we have so many people on waiting lists. And I'll share with you, um, the state of New York is fourth in the nation for the sixty plus population. We have really robust funding under Governor Cathy Hochul. Um, we still have seventy-five thousand services that are wait-listed at times for six to twelve to eighteen months. Um, so I think we've made the economic case, but I think more importantly, made the social case that we should not be treating the population that developed and funded this country, who now have some care needs that we're not supporting.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:18:16 – 1:18:32

Yep. Thank you. So, Ms. Ratka, your organization serves one of the fastest growing regions in the country, and you are on the front lines every single day connecting families with services. In your experience, when a sandwich generation caregiver walks through your door or calls your office, what are they most desperate for?

Karla Radka (Witness)1:18:34 – 1:20:32

our tagline is actually know us before you need us, because by the time we receive a caregiver in our front door, there is already a precipitating factor or a crisis that is already taking place. And at that moment is guidance to be able to map out where to even start. And sometimes that door may not be just the actual front door, that might be sometimes a virtual door, a phone call when children of older adults are in a different state and their parents their aging parents are in central florida and there is a crisis there is a hospitalization or a uh uh a mayor concern or a fall so what they're looking initially is just mapping out that direction of where to start where to start with legal services to determine uh if they have access to be able to represent that older adults and make decisions for them. And then in many cases is basic services like food, shelter and transportation. In many other cases is support on navigating the world of Medicare, in terms of understanding how the plans work and how to be able to access the right professionals under those plans. So, is a multitude of reasons. Each caregiver is provided with the individualized care because each one represent a microcosm that it may not be similar to that person that walks in in the door next to them. So it is important for us to leverage technology. We have systems where we keep a record and there is a thread, so that caregiver doesn't have to start telling their story from the beginning. Any of our counselors can pick up from there and be able to walk with them. That path that is so unique and and so persistent right now in our communities.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:20:33 – 1:20:34

Thank you. Senator Kim.

Sen. Kim (NJ)1:20:35 – 1:21:22

Yeah, thank you, Chairman. Uh, just have a few more questions here, just based off of what I heard. Um, uh, Miss Privia, I wanted to start with you, you know, you were laying out some, you know, all the different tools that are available and what not, and when we had a chance to be able to talk briefly, you talked about how uh, you know, more and more tech tools are arising that we can you know start to think through how that might be able to help provide some support so i guess i just wanted to ask you just more broadly you know what gaps in resources do you see most frequently when working with uh sandwich generation caregivers and what are your thoughts on how tech might be able to intersect and you know things that we can think about how to be able to speed up and amplify and scale uh i'd be interested in your thoughts on that

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:21:22 – 1:24:31

mmm thank you so much for the talk Thank you so much for the question. Tech has been a game changer in the state of New York. And the the reality is we do not have enough funding or services and supports to provide the level of care that sandwich generation um caregivers need, but we do have technology that can assist us in in that practice. And so really when we looked um when New York State Office for the Aging did the working caregiver survey they then developed tools for employers, they also developed tools for employees to be able to access additional employee assistance benefits, things that already exist um through employers that they weren't tapping into. I think specifically to some of our tech projects, I talked about Churalta through the New York Caregiving portal. If you're a caregiver looking for services, you don't have time to Google what service you're looking for or what condition you are. Churalta gives you a standardized plan. So if I'm carrying with someone with a spinal cord injury, I'm gonna get information on mobility and transfers, where if I'm carrying with someone with a cognitive impairment, I might get information about sun downing. Um, you can get that information in bite-sized increments, either podcasts, you can read materials, watch videos. They have a completely anonymous online support group which has exploded with users because you don't have to turn your camera on um and you don't have to say your name and so caregivers that have this inherent thought process of I can't talk about this being hard are able to do that in a safe environment. Um, the New York Any Care Counts campaign, that's a national movement. that utilizes the caregiver intensity index to score people and then instantly direct them not only to resources but also what is helping your care journey, and what's hurting your care journey. So in your situation, um it might be beneficial to you that you have two sons that bring you joy and good family supports, but you might be really frustrated with the health insurance process in trying to get um access to benefits for a loved one. It tells you that in real time, so you can then direct to resources that fix those. But then if you look at the others um that I included in my testimony, we have deployed over thirty seven thousand of the animatronic cats, dogs, and walkers-spockers that reduce social isolation and loneliness. Um we've utilized LEQ, which is artificial intelligence robot that we put in people's homes that are engaging with older adults and caregivers um repeatedly throughout the day a caregiver can then send reminders to their loved one in real time through the tablet on the LEQ unit and then there's a whole host of varieties um of online uh supports for caregivers where they can learn additional tools, like the Get Set Up platform that's free for any New Yorker, the virtual senior center free for any New Yorker. We also have specialized television programs that we call the Netflix for Dementia where an individual can actually watch something pertinent to what was important in their lives reduces caregiver burnout and stress because while you're making dinner your loved one isn't watching a TV show that they can't follow they might I use the example that today of a um retired mechanic who watched a carburetor get rebuilt. um on the tv instead of just being stuck in front of wheel of fortune and so all these things are not a replacement for the human connections um but they have changed the the game in the state of new york as far as us reaching an an additional two million older new yorkers and their families through these low cost high yield tech interventions

Sen. Kim (NJ)1:24:31 – 1:25:12

yeah thanks for that i'd love to be able to follow up and be able to learn some more there um uh miss mayor i wanted to just go back to you you know one thing that really stuck out again from your testimony. He's talking about how, you know, you the entirety in which you've been a mother, you've also had this experience being a caregiver. And, you know, I I hear from many about some of the tensions that come between that in terms of limited resources but also just in terms of the challenges for instance of of child care and navigating the with elder care so I wanted to hear from you just, you know, how that affected you, you know, if there are any particular concerns that you had in terms of those trade-offs uh that you wanted to share with us.

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:25:15 – 1:26:52

yes absolutely um that was something that was a big challenge for me especially when um my boys were younger and they needed more uh more hands-on care it is very difficult to have intermittent care for children or for elder care on both ends of the spectrum there is often minimal hours minimal and certain number of visits each week uh certain number of hours required and i understand that from the care provider stand point they need consistency and reliability but it is very very challenging to secure intermittent care and when i finally did when we did find somebody trustworthy we had her come really for more hours each week than what we truly needed her for because there is no infrastructure or system in place to meet the realities of the intermittent care that is needed so we did what we could to keep her and we know that we have the financial resources to be able to do that and that not every family has that but the um being able to have care elder care or child care it's not just a financial barrier it's becomes like an administrative and an infrastructural barrier

Sen. Kim (NJ)1:26:52 – 1:28:20

yeah there's a lot of logistics there like i know one of the things that i i didn't quite comprehend was just you know with my father as i said he uh he's not only has the alzheimer's but is unable to walk uh i didn't just realize that like i do not have a car that can handle this and let alone also you know uh kid seats for my car for my children and like you know just trying to like just logistics all of a sudden like i just realized that one day when i was trying to take him to another medical appointment like just those different challenges there but you know the child care is some certainly something i'm hearing from a lot just of the challenges of you know added cost as well on top of this all especially when uh caregiving sometimes requires more of our time as you were saying then then that just increases again some of the the needs that we then have for our kids so just trying to understand that whole picture is important because sometimes i feel like my identity as a father to two little boys is in direct tension to my identity as a son to my father and it feels almost zero sum in which uh you know that can happen in some ways it can be when i'm thinking about whether or not i can save for my kids college uh you know feeling like that's something i can't do in the way i wanted to because of i don't know what's gonna happen with my father's care where we're going on that front so thank you again for just sharing that uh with us all today and and chairman thanks again for your generosity in letting me be able to raise some of these different points

Sen. Scott (FL)1:28:22 – 1:28:45

thank you senator kim um mr. rosindas i'm proud to be a co-sponsor of the alleviating barriers for caregivers act which will take important steps to expand support and flexibility for family caregivers from your national vantage point what are the gaps in federal caregiver support that legislation like the abc act is designed to fill and what does the research tell us about what happens to caregivers when those gaps go unaddressed

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:28:45 – 1:30:17

absolutely thank you uh uh chairman scott for your leadership on the abc act uh really critical uh piece of legislation that help address the key pain point that family caregivers face i think we've heard uh across the panel uh is the administrative uh burden that family caregivers face as they navigate essential benefits that could support them or their loved ones according to our research over sixty percent of family caregivers uh uh spend their days on top of the care and for sandwich caregivers on top of the care for their children on top of work uh navigating paperwork navigating how to access this benefit how does this benefit impact my ability to access that benefit um it's a maze that caregivers spend hours on hours a day trying to navigate. Uh so the ABC act would uh provide an assessment of how to reduce that administrative barrier from a family caregiver specific perspective to increase access to Medicare and Medicaid and SSA, Social Security Administration benefits, really bedrock programs uh that family caregivers and the people that they're caring for rely on to make care work to make home and community based living possible so by uh targeting that administrative burden uh we go a long way in recognizing and and honoring the time that it takes to care on a daily basis

Sen. Scott (FL)1:30:18 – 1:30:36

thank you mister pert, the senior act includes provisions focused on multi-generation family support um from your perspective operating across thousands of communities how important is that federal aging policy connects the dots between nutrition independence in the families and caregivers surrounding older adults

Josh Protas (Witness)1:30:38 – 1:31:33

um thank you again for your leadership on the senior act um we know from years of evidence how important social connections are for helping seniors to live independently keeping them out of emergency rooms out of hospitalizations and out of nursing homes, um, that support also has significant health benefits too. So, um, being able to bolster the ability to make those connections for seniors, um, not only helps the senior, but it provides that peace of mind for caregivers who can't always be there. It gives caregivers that ability to, um, not face the tensions so acutely, uh, between putting in work hours and being there for their loved ones. So knowing that that kind of uh connection and care is there is a huge support for caregivers.

Sen. Scott (FL)1:31:34 – 1:31:38

Miss Privy, how much does a robot cost? And how do you get funded?

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:31:39 – 1:33:39

Um, so again, we're we're really lucky, our state unit on aging, um, Director Olson really loves technology, and so this has been something um, when we were thrown, you know, head first in the COVID-19 pandemic in the state of New York we were h hard and fast, we had to adjust our service model to get to people. Um and we know that social isolation and loneliness is equivalent to smoking up to a pack of cigarettes a day. So this this for us was really prevention agenda. Um the LEQ robots are actually not that expensive. Um it's a it's around nine hundred dollars for the the robot, but they they will work with states that are interested. And then there's a monthly subscription fee. But I have to tell you um LEQ looks like the Pixar lamp. and when you get up in the morning she wakes up she'll follow you and i'm gonna use myself as a as an example she'll say good morning how did you sleep last night becky if i say four days in a row i slept terribly and then on day five i say leq i slept really well she will then prompt me and say what did you do different last night and why did you sleep better um so the the ai actually learns with you as you go she will learn who your relatives are so if you text a photo to the leq unit leq will announce it um to the individual so it's the proactive ai that we've seen with older people it unlike alexa where you have to prompt her laq prompts you automatically and what we have found is that not only are people engaging in health and exercise activities because laq prompts them they're drinking more water they're taking their medications on time and their social isolation and loneliness has has been reduced by ninety eight percent in the pilot that we've done over the course the past three years and the most popular feature um that laq is built in is you can play bingo against other leq users in the community and so organically our users have become friends um some might live in manhattan and some might live in clinton county new york and they've they've forged these relationships so if you can change someone's life and reduce their risk of dying from social isolation and loneliness for such a low price um for us that was just a win-win that we we embraced wholeheartedly

Sen. Scott (FL)1:33:40 – 1:33:51

so you've talked earlier about you know um i think return on investment so have you been able to um to um to show um your legislature that you can get a return and which

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:33:51 – 1:33:53

abs- absolutely so Dave

Sen. Scott (FL)1:33:52 – 1:33:58

and which yeah what's their how do they think about it have you been able give do they give you more money has it worked

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:33:55 – 1:35:15

um Dave um last year we actually had the largest investment for unmet needs in the history of the state of New York um obviously we're still waiting for the budget in the the state of New York as we speak but what's really important and i i said this to the legislature before we tell stories all the time about um individuals people with disabilities, we share stories, but it never seems to move the mark. So you have to talk about the economics and you have to talk about the return on investment. Every one of our thirty-four public-private partnerships has been measured or is being measured, cuz we're continuing to deploy them. Um and when we can show a really strong return on investment, it absolutely gets the attention of elected officials to say, this is gonna save our state money, but it's also the right thing to do for people. Um so again, I'm I'm more than willing to provide follow-up on our data and metrics, we have um just with our animatronic pet project, I think there's been over eighteen um studies published on the efficacy, as in LA Cube, it's been in the New York Times, um and a variety of other highlighted features, but every one of them has shown a return, and I think um for me personally, looking at a pilot that we did in the Rochester area in the state of New York, in partnership with Lifespan of Greater Rochester, to embed our case management staff in primary care physicians' offices, um showed almost a four to one return on investment ratio

Sen. Scott (FL)1:35:15 – 1:35:19

so like were they able to reduce spending in a different area because of that

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:35:19 – 1:35:22

uh uh the legislature or the individual primary

Sen. Scott (FL)1:35:22 – 1:35:23

no the legislature

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:35:23 – 1:35:26

um they part of our unmet need funds were

Sen. Scott (FL)1:35:26 – 1:35:29

cause it was medicaid was it medicaid spending they saved money on or how

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:35:29 – 1:36:03

it was it was medicaid savings that we booked our savings against so we serve throughout the triple a network non-medicaid eligible individuals that are just above the income benchmark but we know if we can't get the services to them ten percent spend down to Medicaid immediately to go to a skilled nursing facility and an additional seven percent spend down to MLTC in the community which is a much larger cost um than the triple-A services that we're able to provide the problem is we have historically never had enough funding through the OAA to support the service infrastructure because unlike Medicaid we can't guarantee the service

Sen. Scott (FL)1:36:03 – 1:36:30

so if you if you have data that can show um uh on the federal level cause i i have no i have you know i have no impact on new york's budget and i'm not the governor of florida anymore so i can't impact their budget but if you have any on the federal uh budget i can talk to um cause it all come through cms i can i can talk to mem and oz and get him uh to reach out because if you can do that it's better for the patient and it saves the federal government money so it seems like they are to invest more money right

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:36:30 – 1:36:37

i i will send you a copious amount of information about cost savings by investing in in our service infrastructure

Sen. Scott (FL)1:36:35 – 1:36:48

yeah yeah and i'll be glad to go i'd uh i've got i'm gonna uh i talked to him quite a bit and i'll see him uh in a couple of weeks so uh if you give me the data i'll get it to him and try to get him to reach out to you right key member you're up

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:36:48 – 1:38:38

thank you um thank you guys uh this testimony has been excellent um i wanna talk a little bit with all of you on the notion of unpaid and paid leave so today we have a requirement that you can take unpaid leave um by law if your company has over, I think, five employees. And, uh, what we've been trying to do is provide paid leave. Uh, and we, I wanna talk about that separately, the fact that our caregivers just aren't earning money. So much of this care is uncompensated and they're giving a trillion dollars of uncompensated care every year. So, I wanna talk about that separately. But I'd like to hear from each of you, and Jason, you could start. Um. One in every four adults in the United States is a caregiver. And as this sandwich generation grows, the question of who bears the cost of caregiving has never been more urgent. At the same time, the people receiving the care, the children, the aging parents, the ill family members are left dependent on whatever a worker can cobble together. That's why I'm leading a bill to create a national paid leave program, so that you could take up to three months off to meet the needs of a loved one, or your own for illness, but to meet the needs of a loved one and continue to be paid a portion of your salary so that you are not unpaid during that time, also so that you don't lose your spot in your job, but also so you can, you know, stay in your apartment, stay in your home, not um be unable to pay your bills. So uh Mister Resendez, um " Knowing that caregiving is almost an unavoidable reality for most Americans, how should policymakers approach family and caregiving as a foundational investment for both the labor force and for the health and well-being of the people they care for, and what other workplace flexibility should employers consider as more and more Americans are faced with new or compounding caretaking responsibilities.

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:38:38 – 1:39:18

Absolutely. Thank you, uh, Ranking Member Gillibrand for your leadership on the Family Act and paid family and medical leave. More broadly, uh, uh, we hope that it inspires other members, uh, of the Senate and Congress to understand that caregiving isn't an itch issue. Uh, it's an issue that touches more than sixty-three million americans and seventy percent of those family caregivers uh that are working age age eighteen to sixty four balance those caregiving responsibilities while also uh balancing career responsibilities and so policymakers should treat paid family and caregiving leave as core economic infrastructure not a fringe benefit

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:39:18 – 1:39:19

mmm

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:39:18 – 1:39:56

without it we know that over nearly fifty percent of family caregivers experience negative financial impacts like stopping savings, taking on debt, taking high interest credit cards or leaving the workforce entirely a national paid leave standard that explicitly covers caregiving for aging parents sick spouses adult children with disabilities would help stabilize the workforce protect retirement security and reduce the cascading healthcare costs that come when family caregivers delay their own care and it's also a smart economic investment family caregivers already contribute forty nine billion hours of care

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:40:23 – 1:40:23

um miss

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:40:23 – 1:40:24

private

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:40:24 – 1:40:28

um, Peevee, will you give me your opinion about having a national paid leave program?

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:40:29 – 1:42:14

It's a brilliant idea. Um, and again, when you, when you look at what caregivers are faced with, um, I think there's a couple reasons we need to be laser focused on it. And not only cuz it's the right thing to do, cuz obviously we know that, but we know caregivers are already paying, you know, up to ten thousand dollars more out of pocket in their grocery carts each year. Um, but we also know a lot of people are leaving the workforce, um, and I hear this all over the state of New York of having to the the choice between staying and working um or leaving and and staying home. But you know if you look since COVID we've lost almost four point six million people in the workforce due to caregiving, e- forty four billion dollars in economic loss of wages. And so when you look at that you know it makes the the economic standpoint but I think you also need to look at it in the larger lens of we are losing skilled nursing facility beds across the country we've lost seven hundred and fifty um nationally, but in the state of New York we've lost fourteen and reduced our beds. you don't even have a choice anymore to stay working and have a place for a loved one to go, because those facilities are closing at an alarming rate. And currently, if you look at what's, you know, what's happening, um, with reimbursement rates, forty-four percent of skilled nursing facilities have indicated that they're operating in the negative margins, and three hundred additional ones are looking at closure. So, it would be one thing if we had this robust infrastructure for people that had to remain in the workforce, but we simply don't. And so allowing those workers to be paid while they can take that time off is gonna increase the overall health and wellness of the older population and people with disabilities. But it's also going to delay emergency department utilization and skilled nursing facility utilization, which is driving our healthcare costs through the roof. Um, so for us, um, it's a win-win because it's another relatively low-cost, very high-yield intervention that's going to support those sandwich generation caregivers.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:42:14 – 1:42:17

Mm. Thank you. Uh, Miss Radka, do you have any opinions?

Karla Radka (Witness)1:42:18 – 1:42:40

Definitely I do. I think that it's so important to be able to support caregivers with a paid leave. Not only that contributes to the mental health well-being of the caregiver, knowing that an employer had offered this type of benefits, especially when there is an early diagnosis or when there is a crisis happening uh at home with their loved one.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:42:38 – 1:42:38

Yeah.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:42:41 – 1:43:03

I think that also contribute to the to the good environment and the culture of the workplace and loyalty from employees, that ability to be able to have the security of a job, a place that they can go back to continue to earn a living while they navigate this complex world of caregivers for an aging parents and older American.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:43:04 – 1:43:13

M- Miss Mayor or Mister Protis, do you wanna add anything to what paid leave could have made? Certainly in your position, Miss Mayor, that might have made a difference in the challenges that you faced at that time.

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:43:15 – 1:43:56

Thank you. Yes, caregiving has really shaped nearly every professional decision that I've made. I left oncology clinical research when my oldest son was just under a year old, and when I returned to work, I had the sense that a traditional job with fixed hours was not going to allow me to meet the needs of my family so i am now self-employed which gives me flexibility to show up for my family but it comes with real economic tradeoffs absolutely huge

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:43:54 – 1:43:55

economic cost

Josh Protas (Witness)1:43:55 – 1:43:55

yep

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:43:55 – 1:43:56

huge

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:43:56 – 1:44:01

economic tradeoffs like the immediate and long-term so

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:44:01 – 1:44:06

yeah and you have to pay for all your insurance as a self-employed person

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:44:06 – 1:44:07

yes yes

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:44:07 – 1:44:08

which is very expensive

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:44:08 – 1:44:08

yes

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:44:08 – 1:44:09

much more expensive

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:44:09 – 1:44:10

yes

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:44:10 – 1:44:11

Mister Protis, do you have any thoughts?

Josh Protas (Witness)1:44:12 – 1:44:14

Oh, I have so many thoughts, but I'll keep them

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:44:14 – 1:44:15

Whatever you wanna share.

Josh Protas (Witness)1:44:15 – 1:44:34

keep them on topic. Um, absolutely, but paid leave would help caregivers, it would help relieve burnout, it would relieve the the stresses that they feel, but wanna maybe give a different perspective. Um, by more robustly funding Older Americans Act program services,

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:44:34 – 1:44:34

Mm-hmm.

Josh Protas (Witness)1:44:34 – 1:44:49

we can relieve the need for caregivers to take time off as much as as they currently do whether that's paid or unpaid um we have systems in place that can provide some very helpful complimentary support to older adults in need so

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:44:50 – 1:44:50

mmm

Josh Protas (Witness)1:44:51 – 1:45:13

uh chairman skye you talked before about you know the important return on investment for some of these technologies that exists also for older americans act program services and so if we make the smart upfront investments to make sure that families and their caregivers are getting support through programs that already exist, we can relieve the need for those decisions.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:45:12 – 1:45:13

For that emergency care.

Josh Protas (Witness)1:45:13 – 1:45:13

Yeah.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:45:13 – 1:46:03

Yep. So I have another idea for you. So, one of the bills that I work on with uh Senator Murphy and others is to make sure that when you are in one of these caregiver modes that you're getting credit for your social security so that they are putting placeholder um it's as if you were renumerated what your pay would have been and that then gets put into your social security. I'd like your opinion on that bill, but I also wanna go one step further. Imagine as a caregiver if you, you get paid by social security to do the care, as opposed to just your social security money going to a assisted living facility or going to a like that you could actually be paid for the care. So, I'd like your thoughts and comments on both of those ideas. preview

Rebecca Preve (Witness)1:46:04 – 1:46:58

uh i think they're fantastic um and i think one of the things that we're really trying to push is that if there is a gap in someone's employment because they were a caregiver they're probably the best employee that you're ever going to get um because literally these caregivers are schedulers they're social workers they're medical professionals um the skill set is just immense and so not having that gap in actual the financial security of paying into social security number one is huge but number two being able to give an economic benefit to a caregiver that wants to do this work who's available to do this work um is again it's a return on investment for those individuals not ever having to go to another uh uh higher level of care and you know to some of the comments today having direct care workers um is a national problem it's been a problem since nineteen eighty seven when it was on the front page of the new york times there are not enough direct care workers to fill the needs in homes and communities so allowing organic caregivers

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:47:08 – 1:47:10

Mister Protis, why don't we just go down?

Josh Protas (Witness)1:47:10 – 1:47:37

Um, I think that would support caregivers immediately, uh, in terms of being paid through social security, but it would also have benefits for the future for a savings for retirement and um, the demographic change the shift that we've had in this country with a rapidly growing senior population and fewer younger adults who will be able to contribute and care for them um is something we haven't reckoned with so um

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:47:33 – 1:47:33

yeah

Josh Protas (Witness)1:47:37 – 1:47:43

seems like it makes sense and is a good idea to to start working toward filling that gap

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:47:43 – 1:47:44

mr. sendes

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:47:44 – 1:48:26

absolutely uh thank you for your leadership on these issues and ideas uh social security credit would go a long way in helping to uh and stabilize the financial insecurity that family caregivers experience when they are forced to leave the workforce that was my mom's um experience and millions of other caregivers um like her and we know that they rack up over three hundred thousand dollars in loss earnings over a lifetime because of uh that uh that uh shift uh and so being able to insure that that care which is work right this is a highly complex care care that's valued at a trillion dollars um certainly saves the medicare

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:48:24 – 1:48:24

mmm

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:48:26 – 1:48:57

and medicaid program uh billions of dollars uh trillions of dollars annually um a credit would recognize that as as work uh and insure that family caregivers don't risk their financial instability to provide it in terms of direct care uh or direct payments this is something that we know family caregivers want uh particularly lower income family caregivers uh and programs that can provide direct financial compensation to family caregivers, not as a handout, but for the services that they provide,

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:48:57 – 1:48:57

Correct.

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:48:57 – 1:49:43

um, uh, are things that family caregivers want and need. We're talking about providing complex care, wound care, um, changing feeding tubes, uh, and doing this in the backdrop of a direct care workforce shortage. By twenty thirty-four, PHI estimates that we'll need to find ten million direct care workforce jobs if we're gonna meet the demand for care in this country. Um, that's likely not gonna happen. So we need to think creatively about how we fill that gap. And bringing family caregivers into, uh, that process through programs like either SSA payments or consumer direction, which already exists in every state across the country, or the structured family caregiver support program, enables us to value the contributions of family caregivers while also addressing the workforce shortage that we are experiencing.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:49:42 – 1:50:13

Yeah, and it also is so much cheaper, because we know that for an older adult, care at home has better outcomes, being able to age in place, being able to have your care being met. Institutional care is multitudes more expensive. So it's the cheapest, most efficient, most effective care. And then with the AI examples you were talking about, and you have the ability to have AI counterparts and telehealth counterparts, that caregiver can meet the need that would cost three times as much if you put somebody in a nursing home or in institutional care,

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:50:14 – 1:50:14

Absolutely.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:50:14 – 1:50:23

with much worse outcomes. So it's good for everybody, and it saves us much more money in health care costs down the line, and saves Medicare dollars and Medicaid dollars.

Jason Resendez (Witness)1:50:23 – 1:50:23

Absolutely.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:50:24 – 1:50:25

Miss Ma- Mayor?

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:50:26 – 1:50:53

Thank you for looking at this bill, and I think it will really bring some ease and help to eliminate the long-term economic trade-offs that come from so many sandwich caregivers needing to leave the workforce. receiving social security credit for the caregiving that's provided helps set up sandwich caregivers

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:50:53 – 1:50:53

Yep.

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:50:53 – 1:50:58

for more financial stability in the future. Miss Radke.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:50:59 – 1:51:25

Um, I am so glad that you asked this question because the Veterans Administration already to a program that is called Veterans Direct Care and one that is implemented at my triple A provide a service veterans where they are on the driver's seat to select their caregiver, and a caregiver that gets paid. It could be a trusted neighbor who has background in medicine.

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:51:23 – 1:51:23

Yeah.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:51:25 – 1:51:35

It could be a relative. It could be a professional from the community. What is important is that these veteran continue to age in place, like you mentioned.

Meghan Maher (Witness)1:51:35 – 1:51:35

Yes.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:51:35 – 1:51:45

If it's a a reduced cost, preventing institutionalization. it prevents hospital readmission and definitely provide a quality of care.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:51:45 – 1:51:47

It also affects their mental wellness.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:51:45 – 1:51:45

I think

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:51:47 – 1:51:49

And so mental health is a huge challenge.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:51:47 – 1:51:48

Yes.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:51:49 – 1:52:01

And again, all the evidence we've seen, when a senior can stay in her, is there her community, with the people she knows and loves, she's gonna she's gonna thrive. She's gonna do better, better outcomes, will live longer, will be healthier.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:52:02 – 1:52:08

Definitely. I think there's something that is very important. You also touch on that, is the leverage of technology and AI.

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:52:08 – 1:52:09

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Karla Radka (Witness)1:52:09 – 1:53:12

Like in our community, we have implemented a system to detect fall prevention. It's very discrete, it's radar-based, but also it's monitored twenty four seven, and that allows that caregiver the peace of mind that if they are far away, or even a few houses or a few doors down, they can be notified immediately if there is a fall. And we know how detrimental falls can be in our seniors. So implementation of systems like this radar-based technology to detect falls or implementation of programs like the hospital readmission prevention hospital, hospitalization that we have in our area where we put services to really give a peace of mind and support the caregiver with care in the home for the senior. It also uh it creates a better safety net. to to be able to provide care for our caregivers and our older americans

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:53:08 – 1:53:13

thank you thank you everybody

Sen. Scott (FL)1:53:14 – 1:53:32

alright like to thank everyone for being here today and participating look forward to continue to work with members um all all uh all of our um um members here on the committee if any senators have additional questions for the witnesses or statements to be added the hearing record will be open until next wednesday at five p m well thank you for being here if everybody would come up we'll get a picture

Sen. Gillibrand (NY)1:53:33 – 1:53:34

thank you

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