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Business Meeting on Court Coverage, Likeness IP, and Nominations

Thursday, June 18, 2026

Summary

  • Sen. Grassley advanced the NO FAKES Act by voice vote and favorably reported six judges, an inspector general nominee, and a U.S. attorney.
  • Sen. Coons said the NO FAKES Act creates an intellectual property right in voice and likeness with takedown protections and broad industry support.
  • Sen. Whitehouse urged Sen. Grassley not to combine the Justice Department oversight hearing with Acting Attorney General Blanch's nomination hearing.
  • Senators split along party lines on judicial nominees, approving them 12-10, but united unanimously to advance the NO FAKES Act.
  • Sen. Lee and Sen. Cruz supported advancing the bill but sought First Amendment fixes for satire and parody before Senate floor consideration.

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Sen. Grassley (IA)15:48 – 22:32

morning everybody um the situation is this we're starting at nine o'clock because there's a commerce committee meeting that's very important at ten o'clock uh and all the republicans can't be here until nine thirty so we uh only have a window of nine thirty to ten o'clock to get our uh through our nominations uh we have three important bills on the committee uh i'll try to work them in if we get a quorum work them in before we do the nominations but you know we haven't met for uh three weeks because we've had attendance problems And there's a lot of work for this committee to do. And uh and I uh when I say there's uh attendance problems, that's been more of a problem on my side of the aisle than it has been on the democrat side of the aisle. Uh today's the we have eight nominations and three bills. Uh two circuit court nominees, Benjamin Flowers sixth circuit matthew schwartz second circuit we'll vote on four district court nominees michael hendershot northern district ohio arthur jones southern district texas jeffrey kuntz southern district florida john mark southern district texas and then we'll also vote on don berthoud to be inspector general of the justice department and sean costello to serve as us attorney for the southern district of alabama uh three bills sunshine in the courtroom cameras in the courtroom act and the no fakes act uh six judicial nominees on today's agenda i feel are highly qualified they each have strong credentials a long-standing commitment to the rule of law they're going to make fine federal judges our other nominees are exceptional as well i encourage my colleagues to join me in voting uh we're also voting on two bills which i in ranking member durbin introduce this congress uh they uh i won't go into detail about it but it means uh cameras in the courtroom our third uh bill no fakes is the result of a lot of hard work by senator blackburn and senator coons and uh uh senator coons and blackburn have been on me for a long time to get this bill on the agenda so i'm uh they they'd like to move that today as well uh it's all about protecting individuals from the exploitation by others using ai generated digital replicas of themselves uh as i said at last week's hearing senators tell me they want to retain the blue slip practice and obviously i agree with that but very often these senators Conduct is destructive of the very institution they claim they wanna protect. The practice of becoming more. Untenable as senators fail to work with the white house. In good faith to secure district courts and US attorneys. This week president trump announced that he wouldn't proceed with the new. Uh director of intelligence or approval of physis. Until he gets the US attorneys in the southern. new york and i'd suggest to president trump that he ought to be working with senator thun on the agenda for the united states senate instead of uh standing in the way for more than a year senator schumer refused to return a blue slip or consider the highly qualified nominee that the president puts forth senator schumer has also refused to consider any nominee for other us attorney or district court seats in In fact, Senator Schumer refused to even meet with the administration to find a path forward. He's never responded to their proposals or negotiated any of these uh vacancies. Uh, this is uh not sustainable. I don't think it's in good faith. Democrats expect Republicans to adhere to the president and norms while at the same time it seems to me uh undermining them in the process um during the first trump and biden administration senators from opposing parties returned hundreds of blue slips for district court and us attorney nominees but during the second term of trump they've been few and far between and let's not forget that for the first time in recorded history senate democrats still haven't allowed a single civilian nominee to be confirmed by voice votes and unanimous consents in doing so they wasted valuable floor time that could have been addressed um with legislating meeting the needs of the american people i uh know some of my colleagues including some on this committee have worked with the white house in good faith to fill vacancies i know some others have tried and i thank those who have engaged in good faith and urge them to continue their efforts and particularly urge colleagues of their caucus to do the same thing if i can be helpful and to resolve an impasse i would be happy to work in that direction our senate practices and norms will only survive if there's good faith on all sides i'm urging all colleagues in the senate to put an end to the obstruction If the blue-slip practice is going to continue, and it's going to continue as long as I'm chairman, and so many of my colleagues have also insisted that, Senate Democrats must stop bad faith obstructions, and I hope they can do it right now, Senator Whitehouse.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)22:34 – 31:19

Thanks very much, uh, Chairman. I'm in this, uh, seat, this morning, because, um, Illinois Senator Durbin uh was a close friend of Illinois Senator Obama and then US President Obama. And today, in a star-studded celebration, the Obama Presidential Library is going to open. And uh, Senator Durbin very, very much wanted to be there. I think he is exactly where he should be. Um, and that leaves me to uh fill in for him today. I'd like to take my time this morning to suggest that combining our oversight hearing of the Department of Justice with the nominations hearing for uh Acting Attorney General Blanch would be a grave mistake for the committee. I don't believe we did that with Attorney General Garland. And I think the record of the Department of Justice, uh, under Todd Blanch, lends itself to very vigorous oversight. Oversight which we have been denied because when we ask questions, we get scripted litanies of insult and quarrel rather than actual answers to our questions when we ask for documents and records in writing, we get nothing, uh we are reduced to filing FOIA requests that are then not even complied with as FOIA requests. So, the oversight function of this committee is really, I think, being systematically disabled. That's particularly significant when you have Attorney General Bondi saying that it was uh Todd Blanch who was responsible for the Epstein files disaster, the releases of private information and images of victims, the cover-up of documents that named Donald Trump, and just the general incompetence of the whole wretched mess. I don't think that it would be a good idea for this committee to be complicit in covering up the cover-up of the Epstein files. Move on to the slush fund, which a great number of my Republican colleagues have expressed real reservations about, with its attachment of a tax amnesty deal for Trump, the Trump family, and the Trump businesses. There are very legitimate questions to be asked about that, including has that cockamamie idea really been withdrawn? Or is it just being hidden briefly so it can resurface in some other fashion? We should be looking into this as a committee. It's important stuff. And even if we shirk our duties at looking into all of this, it appears that a Florida court is gonna be looking into all of this. And I think it's a bad look for the committee to be turning a blind eye to what went into the slush fund deal and the tax amnesty deal, and then discover, through a court proceeding in Florida, all the stuff that we failed to look at. It's hard to be taken seriously if we have failed to do our own duty, and then the court proceedings reveal the mischief. I will say that I've looked, I have never, ever heard of senior officials of the Department of Justice being called before a court with respect to a fraud upon the court. Look up fraud upon a court. It's a pretty serious charge. This one was brought, raised, I guess I should say, by thirty-six, three dozen retired federal judges, some very, very respected ones, some very, very conservative ones. And the judge in the proceeding in Florida, out of which the slush fund settlement emerged, reopened the case to have a look. She asked for responses. She suggested that the DOJ might have violated its own policies in the settlement. She suggested that there was an IRS defense memo out there that would be relevant to the proceedings. The violation of DOJ policies would obviously be a matter for DOJ to answer. The IRS client memo would obviously be something for DOJ to answer. She also questioned whether there was collusion. It takes two to collude. It would be a collusion between the Department of Justice lawyers and Trump's private lawyers. So there's another reason for the Department of Justice to have responded. What happened last Friday? No response from the Department of Justice. first ever accusation of senior level Department of Justice people of fraud upon the court, with an invitation to rebut the allegations, an invitation specific to Department of Justice conduct. And they duck. So that is going to continue. The three dozen judges have their answer this Friday and then the court will go forward. I will contend that we don't look like much. if that information is being developed in a federal courtroom, and we haven't been allowed to ask questions, and indeed our oversight has been collapsed into a confirmation hearing. I have never seen a Department of Justice as badly run as this one. I've never seen fraught upon the court allegations, I've never seen so many suggestions of contempt. I've never seen so many no true bills. I've never seen so many cases thrown out. I've never seen so many accusations. that department arguments were false, were pretextual, were designed to fool rather than inform the court. And we see that over and over again from judges appointed by every president. It is now at the point where the Department of Justice and the US government have lost their presumption of regularity in federal court proceedings. All of this matters. All of this is something to which this committee should be paying attention. And with respect to what our Chairman has said about the norms of the committee, well, one norm is that US attorneys come through this committee after a process of consultation before they get to run US Attorney's Office. Over and over again, we see these slippery deals, where acting US attorneys are appointed, and then The first assistant is fired, and when the time runs out on the acting, uh, US attorney, they slip back into the first attorney position, and leave a vacancy. It's an obvious scam to get around this committee's norms. And we have put up with this. It didn't happen once, it didn't happen twice, it has happened over and over and over and over again. And on top of that, we've seen US attorneys called out for misconduct over and over and over again. None of this is normal. None of this is normal. And the fact that this committee won't look into it, I think, is a shame. And I think if we try to be complicit in failing in our duty to look into this by combining the Blanch nomination hearing with the Department of Justice oversight hearing, we will have made a very, very grave mistake. Thank you, Chairman.

Sen. Grassley (IA)31:20 – 32:38

i'm i'm only gonna respond to the process question you brought up not the other issues you brought up but i'd like to remind you that you mentioned garland as attorney general there were eight months between his nomination and the first uh hearing you gotta realize that there's only four weeks we meet in july there's two weeks we meet in september that's six weeks between now and the election you gotta realize and i'm not running the senate so i do don't determine the calendar of the senate but we basically only have three days a week so that's eighteen days between now and the election and uh that's why we have to combine the oversight with the others and we're going accommodate it by giving members on your side all the time you need to ask questions uh we're negotiating that now and we'll try to accommodate you as much as we can but with only eighteen days you can see that we can have eight months between the nomination and and the confirmation or the uh oversight hearing

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)32:39 – 33:03

well i know that the uh chairman is um sympathetic to the oversight problems that we face here and the degree to which this department's behavior is exceptional and um i look forward to um having those hearings go forward in a way that reflects uh the chairman's consistent desires for real oversight and i hope that the uh proceedings reflect

Sen. Grassley (IA)33:03 – 33:04

you

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)33:04 – 33:04

uh that

Sen. Grassley (IA)33:04 – 33:45

know when i came to the united states and we started ten o'clock on monday morning and we went till four on friday now it seems to me both republicans and democrats like a three day work week there's plenty of problems for uh or there's plenty of work for an individual senator to do seven days a week if they wanna work seven days a week but you can't solve this country's problems if you don't get a a hundred of us together at one time and that's whether you got a a democrat majority or a republican majority that's the way it's been we gotta put in more time here in washington d. c. meeting if you wanna do what you wanna do

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)33:45 – 33:47

no objection to those thoughts

Sen. Grassley (IA)33:47 – 34:14

ok uh hey i think we better go to your bill uh eh while we're waiting for a majority i uh we're gonna we're gonna take up the stuff that i've got most pressure to work on coons and and so we're gonna go ahead with her bill let me uh let me start out that before you do the next bill is s forty five ninety one

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)34:14 – 34:15

essentially

Sen. Grassley (IA)34:14 – 34:15

no fakes

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)34:15 – 34:16

no fakes

Sen. Grassley (IA)34:16 – 34:28

this bill is led by senator coons and senator blackburn i understand there is a manager's amendment i'll now call up the manager's amendment number ehf two six five two eight

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)34:28 – 34:29

what was that

Sen. Grassley (IA)34:29 – 34:41

without objection it will be adopted i hear no objection if there eh if there is any of the bill sponsors would like to speak uh Do it quickly.

Sen. Coons (DE)34:41 – 34:41

Yes.

Sen. Grassley (IA)34:42 – 34:43

Senator Kulbos.

Sen. Coons (DE)34:44 – 36:56

This is my speaker. Thank you, Mister Chairman, and um thank you to Senator Blackburn, I'm deeply grateful uh to Senators uh Blackburn uh and Tillis uh and Klobuchar, uh to Senator Blackburn and her staff for a strong partnership at every step. We have had so many negotiating sessions, stakeholder meetings, uh red line conversations, literally dozens of them. Um, and I'm grateful for the support this bill has from many colleagues on this committee, ranking member Durbin, Senators Blumenthal, Britt, Hirono, Moody, Welch, and Schiff as cosponsors. This bill's about protecting what's most personal to us, what makes us us, our voice and our likeness. Every American should have the right to decide how their voice and likeness will be used, especially when generative AI can create highly realistic digital replicas that make it look like we said things we never said. and did things we never did. No Fakes gives every American a new intellectual property right to control their digital replica, to license it as they wish, to allow their families to protect it after they pass, and to stop unauthorized replicas from proliferating online. This bill creates a workable notice and take down system so we can enforce this right. If online platforms take down unauthorized deepfakes, everyone wins. If online, if they don't, the online platforms are exposed to financial penalties. The bill also reigns in the use of AI models that exist largely to create unauthorized deepfakes. I want to be clear, nofakes includes features that protect free speech, parody, satire, documentaries, biopics, newscasts, they're all protected, and we built inappropriate counter-notification processes in exempted research libraries and archives. This important bipartisan bill is the product of real compromise between stakeholders on all sides. It has enthusiastic support from across the movie, music and television industries, from online platforms, from YouTube to TikTok, from AI companies like OpenAI and IBM, from organized labor and child safety groups. Mister Chairman, I'd like to submit for the record supportive quotes from forty different organizations who often don't see eye to eye on much of anything, all supporting this bill.

Sen. Grassley (IA)36:56 – 36:58

Without objection, so ordered.

Sen. Coons (DE)36:58 – 37:13

And if I could conclude, um, did everyone get what they wanted? No. But we did work to build support and it would not have happened without my Chief Counsel, James Barton, who was tireless, engaged and effective, and with the real partnership with my Republican co-leads. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Sen. Grassley (IA)37:13 – 37:14

Senator Blackboard.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)37:14 – 37:39

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I am so pleased we are finally moving forward with the No Fakes Act. And as Senator Coons has said, this has been a bipartisan effort and lot of work has gone into it. And it is imperative that we put this national standard in place for voice and visual likeness protection of creators.

Sen. Grassley (IA)37:39 – 37:40

Mm-hmm.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)37:40 – 41:04

Every American needs this to protect from proliferation of harmful AI-generated deepfakes that are created without their consent. From artists and songwriters to students and everyday citizens, our nation deserves meaningful protections against Our bill would establish clear guardrails that protect our creators in Tennessee and indeed nationwide in addition to establishing a federal intellectual property right in every American's voice and visual likeness we also provide a clear notice and take down framework as well as safe harbor provisions for companies that comply. These provisions ensure that when a platform receives a proper notice of a deepfake, that platform must promptly remove or disable access to that harmful content. If they promptly remove the content, they won't face liability under the bill. We've included explicit First Amendment protections in this bill. For example, we have excluded commentary, criticism, scholarship, satire and parody content from being removed, as well as news and sports broadcast material. Additionally, Senator Coons and I and our teams have worked for months with some of our key stakeholders to come up with this compromise manager's amendment that will be advancing this morning what came out of those negotiations was a counter-notice framework I believe has made the bill stronger under the new provision, someone who believes a platform took down their content inappropriately, for example, if the content was not actually a deepfake, or if it was First Amendment protected, can have their content placed back online. Both the creative community and the platforms had to make compromises. I believe it's a stronger bill. in the end. I've always said that America needs one set of rules for AI, and no fakes is a critical component of that rule book. Every American has an article one, section eight, clause eight, constitutional right to benefit from their creative works. And the No Fakes Act allows for just that in the age of AI. I want to thank Senator Coons and his team for their partnership on the effort, as well as the bipartisan coalition of cosponsors. We've assembled a robust group of outside supporters, and, Mister Chairman, I have letters to submit for the record from the Creative Artist Agency, the Broadcasters Association of all fifty states, the Human Artistry Campaign, the American Medical Association, and an open letter of support from SAG-AFTRA, signed by over sixteen thousand individuals. I look forward to a very strong bipartisan voice vote in advancing this legislation.

Sen. Grassley (IA)41:05 – 41:05

Before

Sen. Blackburn (TN)41:05 – 41:06

Thank you, Mister Chairman.

Sen. Grassley (IA)41:06 – 41:16

Before I call on Senator Lee, uh, I would like to get this bill done, but just as soon as we get all the people here, we're gonna stop for nominations.

Sen. Lee (UT)41:17 – 41:21

Uh, so really Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Um,

Sen. Grassley (IA)41:21 – 41:22

Thanks, Senator.

Sen. Lee (UT)41:21 – 42:03

I wanna thank Senator Blackburn and Senator Coons for their uh leadership on this, and um uh the this is an important issue. Uh, a person's voice and likeness are uh both valuable assets. Artists, uh performers, content creators of um of every sort have legitimate interests. Um, uh financial interests, reputational interests, in controlling how those assets, things that belong to them are used. And they deserve protection against theft, against fraud and unauthorized use. Uh, uh, e- e- especially, uh, the, the type of commercial exploitation that can happen, uh, can be really problematic.

Sen. Grassley (IA)42:04 – 42:04

Right.

Sen. Lee (UT)42:04 – 42:43

Now, the legislation as drafted now, uh, raises some potentially significant concerns regarding free speech. We do need to ensure that in protecting uh, in protecting content, content creators' rights, that we don't inadvertently chill free speech or undermine long-standing uh, first amendment principles. So I, uh, my plan is to support the bill today, uh, and uh, look forward to working with Senator Blackburn, uh, to address these concerns before they hit the floor. They do need to be addressed, but I'm happy to, uh, move it out of committee today and support it in that process with that understanding. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks, Senator Blackburn.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)42:42 – 46:41

Senator Polingar. Well, thank you very much, uh, Mister Chairman. And, uh, Senator Tillis and I, uh, worked together with the leaders of this bill, uh, Senator Coons and Senator Blackburn, and I want to thank them, uh, from the very beginning. This builds on, uh, some of the work that Senator Cruz and I did on the Take It Down Act, which is now signed into law, and the provision requiring the platforms to take down non-consensual images in forty-eight hours, is now actually in effect uh as well as the increased penalties for the people that uh post uh the illegal uh images and i think this is a huge step forward and a model that we should be using uh for in many contexts and while this law that we did before the no fakes act focused on the non consensual um images um and puts the rules of the road to give people control over digital replicas of their voice and likeness this goes to something that we know has been a real real problem it's important we pass this bill because it is easier than ever to use ai tools to generate everything from images and videos songs recordings and even senate hearings in fact um senator blackburn and i held a hearing on privacy that was actually a great subcommittee hearing we walked out of there thinking this is so good maybe we can find a compromise on this". And a day later I saw an image of myself, and I thought, " Oh wow, I could this thing is getting so much attention". It was me and she was sitting next to me and my staff was behind me, and it was actually an AI image. Now that might have been considered parody. I didn't think it was very funny with what they said. Uh, they somehow put me in the middle of this Sidney Sweeney jeans campaign issue. Uh, but it was startling as I looked at my feed and finally the, um, platforms either took it down or put digitally altered on it a number of people believed it they believed i'd used language that i would never use in this hearing room uh they believed i said things that i would never say and to me it was an example of how quickly these things can go viral um so what happened here and by the way if it is parody i believe it should i have another piece of legislation that says that it should say digitally altered so technology led to incredible things last year we did an event the four of us with randy travis who lost his ability to sing um after having a stroke and using ai replicas of his own voice he's been able to continue putting out music but that's because it's his voice it's his decision easy access to this technology has created real challenges that harm real people sony music has identified more than one hundred thirty five thousand songs with unauthorized deepfakes and streaming services so so much of what our country is based on and our innovation and our economy is based on ideas innovation people's intellectual products their own creations and if we mess around with this with ai and don't reward them for that we're gonna mess around with our entire economy it isn't just artists consumers lost more than three point five billion dollars through imposter schemes and so that's why this bill is so important everyone should have the right to privacy and the right to control their own voice and their own likeness and i'll just end by thanking the consumer artists entertainment labor tech stakeholders uh that have come together to support this bill you must know something's going right senator blackburn when you can announce that you have the american medical association and sag actor supporting the same bill it's just a usually these interests don't align on something, it's not like they're opposed, but it just shows the broad coalition that supports doing something about this challenging and growing problem. Thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)46:42 – 46:54

Before Senator Padilla and then Senator Cruz, uh in if we get if we get everybody here on our side, we're going to I'm going to stop you in the middle of your speeches. Go ahead, Senator.

Sen. Padilla (CA)46:55 – 47:33

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, I want to begin by thanking Senator Coons, Senator Blackburn, and the many stakeholders who've worked so collaboratively to bring the no fakes act to this point uh receiving a mark up the problem of unauthorized deep fakes that mislead defraud or otherwise harm both the individuals depicted as well as the public is urgent and demands a swift congressional response i'm grateful for the hard work that everyone involved has put into this effort uh the bill before us today has substantively and substantially improved and i think reflects the care that the sponsors have taken to address

Sen. Grassley (IA)47:32 – 47:34

yes yeah they have the knowledge

Sen. Padilla (CA)47:33 – 47:39

the a number of concerns regarding the implementation innovation and free expression online

Sen. Grassley (IA)47:39 – 47:39

ok

Sen. Padilla (CA)47:40 – 48:25

there are still some issues that want additional attention to ensure that the obligations placed on the diverse stakeholders in our communications ecosystem including music streaming services video game developers user generated content platforms of all sizes and others uh ensuring that those are appropriately tailored and designed to achieve the build's goals effectively but because the process has been so collaborative so constructive and has been done in such good faith i'm confident that we can continue working together to refine these provisions and ensure that the final legislation effectively combats harmful deepfakes while protecting innovation and free expression i look forward to supporting

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)48:25 – 48:26

this measuring committee here today.

Sen. Grassley (IA)48:27 – 48:36

Will now turn to the nomination of a Benjamin Flowers to serve as Circuit Judge for the US Circuit Court, sixth district. So, speak.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)48:37 – 48:44

Thank you, Chairman. Um, this is an extraordinarily ill-motivated, uh, candidate for the judiciary

Sen. Padilla (CA)48:44 – 48:44

Yep.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)48:44 – 49:38

who has expressly said it's not his intention to follow the law, but rather to impose his view of what he calls traditional Western values. He has derided textualism and indeed said a court that correctly decides cases on narrow grounds without upsetting long set, but badly flawed precedents will not be much use. That is unacceptable for the conservative movement of today. In his own words, he will use his seat on the bench to impose tradi- his view of traditional Western values, to press for the conservative movement of today and will avoid, and indeed seems to mock the notion of correctly deciding cases on narrow grounds. Textualism and minimalism used to be conservative values. This does not provide that.

Sen. Grassley (IA)49:39 – 49:41

The clerk will call the roll on flowers.

Clerk49:41 – 49:53

Mister Brand. Aye. Mister Gordon. Aye. Mister Lee. Aye. Mister Prud. Mister Paulie. Aye. Mister Tillis. Misses Blackburn.

Sen. Grassley (IA)49:53 – 49:53

Aye.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:01 – 50:03

Uh, Durbin, no by proxy.

Clerk50:04 – 50:05

Mister Whitehouse.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:05 – 50:05

No.

Clerk50:06 – 50:06

Miss Klobuchar.

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:06 – 50:07

No.

Clerk50:07 – 50:08

Mister Kootz.

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:08 – 50:08

No.

Clerk50:09 – 50:10

Mister Blumenthal.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:11 – 50:11

No by proxy.

Clerk50:12 – 50:13

Miss Hirono.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:13 – 50:14

No by proxy.

Clerk50:14 – 50:14

Mister Booker.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:15 – 50:15

No by proxy.

Clerk50:16 – 50:16

mr. pagilla

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:16 – 50:17

no

Clerk50:18 – 50:18

mr. welch

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:18 – 50:19

no

Clerk50:19 – 50:20

mr. schiff

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:20 – 50:21

no by proxy

Clerk50:22 – 50:23

sherry grassley

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:23 – 50:24

uh i

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:24 – 50:24

ok

Clerk50:25 – 50:27

a miss vote be either twelve then eight or ten

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:28 – 50:30

the nomination will be favorably reported

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:30 – 50:31

receive

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:31 – 50:46

now matthew schwartz so can see if schiff wants to vote in person oh hey uh senator schiff senator schiff you wanna be voted in person uh yes please uh senator Uh.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:46 – 50:49

Please record Senator Schiff as a no vote in person,

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:47 – 50:49

Sure, we'll Yeah.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:49 – 50:50

not by proxy.

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:50 – 50:58

Yeah. Uh, now we go to Matthew Schwartz, unfavorably reporting the nomination. Clerk will call the roll.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:58 – 50:59

Oh, Mister Chairman,

Sen. Grassley (IA)50:59 – 50:59

Yes.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)50:59 – 51:36

I just want to flag for my colleagues that uh this individual represents President Trump personally in his appeal of the thirty-four felony convictions for falsifying business records related to his payments to stormy Daniels. and also in the four hundred and sixty four million dollar judgment against trump and his family members in his business for inflated value of business assets the president still owes the firm four hundred thousand dollars evidently and notwithstanding the chairman's comments earlier about following norms no blue slip from either of the new york senators i urge a no vote

Sen. Grassley (IA)51:36 – 51:40

the call the clerk will call the roll on shorts

Clerk51:40 – 51:43

mr. brand aye is recorded aye mister lee

Sen. Grassley (IA)51:43 – 51:43

aye

Clerk51:44 – 51:45

mister fruze

Sen. Grassley (IA)51:45 – 51:45

aye

Clerk51:45 – 51:48

mister holly mister tillis

Sen. Grassley (IA)51:48 – 51:50

aye aye

Clerk51:50 – 51:53

this is blackbird mister schmidt

Sen. Grassley (IA)51:53 – 51:53

aye

Clerk51:54 – 51:54

this is bryd

Sen. Grassley (IA)51:55 – 51:59

yeah oh oh

Clerk51:59 – 51:59

this is toby

Sen. Grassley (IA)51:59 – 52:00

aye oh yeah

Clerk52:01 – 52:02

mister jermyn

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:02 – 52:02

oh

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:03 – 52:04

uh no my proxy

Clerk52:04 – 52:05

mister whitehouse

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:05 – 52:05

no

Clerk52:06 – 52:07

this is klobuchar

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:07 – 52:07

no

Clerk52:08 – 52:09

mister fruze

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:09 – 52:09

no

Clerk52:10 – 52:11

mr. plumenthal

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:11 – 52:12

no by proxy

Clerk52:13 – 52:13

mr. runoff

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:13 – 52:14

no by proxy

Clerk52:14 – 52:15

mr. booker

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:15 – 52:16

no by proxy

Clerk52:16 – 52:17

mr. biggier

Unknown52:17 – 52:17

no

Clerk52:18 – 52:19

mr. wells

Unknown52:18 – 52:19

no

Clerk52:21 – 52:22

jerry grassey

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:23 – 52:23

aye

Clerk52:24 – 52:26

i'm miss sophie i'm your twelve the name depends

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:26 – 52:32

schwartz will be favorably reported to the floor now hinder michael hendershot

Unknown52:32 – 52:32

yeah

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:32 – 52:37

uh northern district of ohio the clerk will call the roll

Clerk52:38 – 52:39

mister brand

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:39 – 52:39

aye

Clerk52:39 – 52:40

mister cornan

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:40 – 52:41

aye

Clerk52:41 – 52:41

mister lee

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:41 – 52:42

aye

Clerk52:42 – 52:43

mister cruz

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:43 – 52:43

aye

Clerk52:44 – 52:44

mister holly

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:44 – 52:45

aye

Clerk52:45 – 52:46

mister tillis

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:46 – 52:46

aye

Clerk52:47 – 52:47

mister kennedy

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:47 – 52:48

hmm aye

Clerk52:48 – 52:49

missus blackburn

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:49 – 52:49

aye

Clerk52:50 – 52:51

mister schmidt

Sen. Grassley (IA)52:51 – 52:51

aye

Clerk52:51 – 52:55

missus gritt missus moody mister derby

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:57 – 52:57

no by proxy

Clerk52:57 – 52:58

mister whitehouse

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)52:59 – 52:59

no

Clerk52:59 – 53:00

miss klobuchar

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:00 – 53:00

no

Clerk53:01 – 53:02

mister cruz

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)53:02 – 53:02

no

Clerk53:02 – 53:03

mister klinthof

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:05 – 53:06

No by proxy.

Clerk53:07 – 53:07

Mr. Roanoke.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:08 – 53:08

No by proxy.

Clerk53:08 – 53:09

Mr. Booker.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:09 – 53:10

No by proxy.

Clerk53:10 – 53:11

Mr. Medeia.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)53:12 – 53:12

No.

Clerk53:13 – 53:13

Mr. Welch.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)53:13 – 53:14

No.

Clerk53:14 – 53:15

Mr. Schiff.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)53:15 – 53:15

No.

Clerk53:16 – 53:21

Jim Ingrassi. I'm just voting either twelve or eight or ten.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:21 – 53:29

Nomination be favorably reported. Now Arthur Jones, District uh Southern District, Texas, towards recall the role.

Clerk53:29 – 53:30

Mr. Graham.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)53:30 – 53:30

Aye.

Clerk53:31 – 53:33

Mr. Cornyn. Mr. Lee.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)53:33 – 53:33

Aye.

Clerk53:34 – 53:34

Mister Cruz.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:35 – 53:35

Aye.

Clerk53:35 – 53:36

Mister Hawley.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:36 – 53:36

Aye.

Clerk53:37 – 53:37

Mister Tillis.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:37 – 53:38

Aye.

Clerk53:38 – 53:39

Mister Kennedy.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:39 – 53:39

Aye.

Clerk53:40 – 53:41

Missus Blackburn.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:41 – 53:42

Aye.

Clerk53:42 – 53:43

Mister Smith.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:43 – 53:44

Aye.

Clerk53:44 – 53:45

Missus Frick.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:45 – 53:46

Aye.

Clerk53:48 – 53:48

Mister Durbin.

Unknown53:49 – 53:49

No, by proxy.

Clerk53:50 – 53:51

Mister Whitehouse.

Unknown53:51 – 53:51

No.

Clerk53:52 – 53:53

Mister Kloosgaard.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:53 – 53:53

No.

Clerk53:54 – 53:54

Mister Kloons.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:54 – 53:55

No.

Clerk53:55 – 53:56

Mister Kloonenthal.

Unknown53:56 – 53:57

No, by proxy.

Clerk53:58 – 53:59

Mister Runnell.

Sen. Grassley (IA)53:58 – 53:58

No.

Unknown53:59 – 53:59

No, by proxy.

Clerk54:00 – 54:00

Mister Booker.

Unknown54:00 – 54:01

No, by proxy.

Clerk54:02 – 54:02

Mister Padilla.

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:03 – 54:03

No.

Clerk54:04 – 54:05

mr. welsh

Unknown54:04 – 54:05

no

Clerk54:06 – 54:06

mr. schimm

Unknown54:06 – 54:07

no

Clerk54:07 – 54:08

chairman of the faculty

Unknown54:08 – 54:09

no

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:08 – 54:09

aye

Clerk54:09 – 54:11

i'm gonna go with the either twelve and eight or ten

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:12 – 54:19

arthur jones will be favorably reported now we go to jeffrey coons southern district florida to call the roll

Clerk54:20 – 54:21

mr. brandt

Unknown54:20 – 54:21

aye

Clerk54:21 – 54:22

mr. cornish

Unknown54:22 – 54:22

aye

Clerk54:22 – 54:23

mr. lee

Unknown54:23 – 54:23

i'm

Clerk54:24 – 54:25

mr. cruz

Unknown54:25 – 54:25

i

Clerk54:26 – 54:27

mr. collins

Unknown54:26 – 54:27

you go carly

Clerk54:27 – 54:28

mr. tillis

Unknown54:28 – 54:28

i

Clerk54:29 – 54:30

mr. kennedy

Unknown54:30 – 54:30

i

Clerk54:31 – 54:32

mrs. blackburn

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:34 – 54:34

Uh, what?

Clerk54:35 – 54:39

Mrs. Grimm. Mrs. Moody. Mister Durbin.

Unknown54:39 – 54:40

No by proxy.

Clerk54:40 – 54:40

Mister Whitehouse.

Unknown54:40 – 54:41

No.

Clerk54:41 – 54:42

Mister Clement guard.

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:42 – 54:43

No.

Clerk54:44 – 54:45

Mister Gouds.

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:45 – 54:45

No.

Clerk54:46 – 54:47

Mister Clement off.

Unknown54:47 – 54:48

No by proxy.

Clerk54:48 – 54:49

Mister Runoff.

Unknown54:49 – 54:50

No by proxy.

Clerk54:50 – 54:51

Mister Booker.

Unknown54:51 – 54:52

No by proxy.

Clerk54:52 – 54:53

Mister Gavilla.

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:53 – 54:53

No.

Clerk54:54 – 54:55

Mister Welch.

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:55 – 54:55

No.

Clerk54:56 – 54:56

Mister Schiff.

Sen. Grassley (IA)54:57 – 54:57

No.

Clerk54:58 – 55:02

Chairman Graskin. um there's no c i's are twelve and the a's are ten

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:02 – 55:09

jeffrey coons will be favorably reported now john mark southern district texas the talk or call role

Clerk55:09 – 55:10

mister grant

Unknown55:10 – 55:10

aye

Clerk55:11 – 55:11

mister cornyn

Unknown55:12 – 55:13

aye

Clerk55:13 – 55:14

mister lee

Unknown55:14 – 55:14

aye

Clerk55:15 – 55:15

mister cruz

Unknown55:15 – 55:16

aye

Clerk55:16 – 55:17

mister holly

Unknown55:17 – 55:17

eric

Clerk55:18 – 55:19

mister phyllis

Unknown55:18 – 55:19

eric aye

Clerk55:19 – 55:20

mister kennedy

Unknown55:20 – 55:20

aye

Clerk55:21 – 55:25

missus blackburn mr. schmidt

Unknown55:24 – 55:25

aye

Clerk55:25 – 55:26

missus bryant

Unknown55:26 – 55:26

aye

Clerk55:27 – 55:28

missus nooky

Unknown55:27 – 55:28

eric

Clerk55:28 – 55:29

mister durbin

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)55:30 – 55:31

no by proxy

Clerk55:31 – 55:32

mister whitehouse

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)55:32 – 55:33

no

Clerk55:34 – 55:34

mr. plumbert

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:35 – 55:35

no

Clerk55:36 – 55:36

mister kud

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)55:37 – 55:37

no

Clerk55:37 – 55:38

mister blumenthal

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:39 – 55:41

doesn't doesn't make sense

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)55:41 – 55:42

uh no by proxy

Clerk55:42 – 55:43

mister ronald

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)55:43 – 55:44

no by proxy

Clerk55:44 – 55:45

mister booker

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)55:45 – 55:46

no by proxy

Clerk55:46 – 55:47

mr. medea

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:47 – 55:48

no of course not

Clerk55:48 – 55:49

mr. welch

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:49 – 55:50

that one's very dead to me

Clerk55:50 – 55:52

mr. shin jerry bradford

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:52 – 55:53

i

Clerk55:53 – 55:56

i'm miss sophie i'm twelve and eight or ten

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:56 – 56:06

john mark will be favorably reported now don bear schum uh to be inspector general of the justice department senator whitehouse

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)56:06 – 56:25

i'm likely to be the only democrat voting aye on this nominee but he does have a record of uh integrity as an inspector general uh integrity is a quality sorely lacking in this department of justice and while i may uh find that i should be very disappointed in my vote here i will be voting yes uh on this individual

Sen. Grassley (IA)56:25 – 56:26

circle call the roll

Clerk56:27 – 56:28

mister brand

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)56:27 – 56:28

aye

Clerk56:28 – 56:51

mister cornan aye mister lee aye mister cruz aye mister holly aye mister holly aye alright mister tillis aye mister kennedy i'm a white ass missus lebron mister smith uh missus briggs missus moody mister jervin

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)56:51 – 56:52

no by proxy

Clerk56:52 – 56:53

mister whitehouse

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)56:53 – 56:53

aye

Clerk56:54 – 57:01

mr. pelmitar no mr. coons no mr. blumenthal no mr. runoff

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)57:02 – 57:03

i by proxy

Clerk57:05 – 57:05

mr. booker

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)57:06 – 57:06

no by proxy

Clerk57:07 – 57:14

mr. sofia no mr. welch no mr. schiff no jerry mangraski

Sen. Grassley (IA)57:14 – 57:14

alright

Clerk57:15 – 57:18

on this folks the i's are fourteen and the a's are nine

Sen. Grassley (IA)57:18 – 57:26

don berthum will be reported now sean costello a US Attorney, Southern District, Alabama.

Sen. Britt (AL)57:26 – 57:28

Mister Chairman, may I say a few words?

Sen. Grassley (IA)57:28 – 57:28

Yes.

Sen. Britt (AL)57:29 – 58:20

Uh, thank you very much. I just wanted to say a few words in support of Sean Costello's nomination to be US Attorney for the Southern District of Alabama. Uh, l- look, he has been serving this district for over twenty years. During that time he's rose through the ranks as the Chief of the Criminal Division in twenty eighteen and he's been serving as the interim US Attorney since twenty twenty one. Prior to his time in office, he served for several years here at Maine Justice um in DC. He was also a legislative aide to both senators, uh, Richard Shelby and Jeff Sessions. During his time as a federal prosecutor, he has tried twenty-eight cases to final verdict and has pursued cases on a wide range of criminal conduct, including child exploitation, national security, terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking, and corporate fraud. Sean has devoted his entire

Sen. Grassley (IA)58:32 – 58:33

Mr. Gallaroy.

Clerk58:34 – 58:35

Mr. Graham.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:35 – 58:35

Aye.

Clerk58:36 – 58:37

Mr. Hornet.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:37 – 58:37

Aye.

Clerk58:37 – 58:38

Mr. Lee.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:38 – 58:38

Aye.

Clerk58:39 – 58:39

Mr. Cruz.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:39 – 58:40

Aye.

Clerk58:40 – 58:41

Mr. Hawley.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:42 – 58:42

Aye.

Clerk58:43 – 58:43

Mr. Tillis.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:44 – 58:44

Aye.

Clerk58:44 – 58:45

Mr. Kennedy.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:45 – 58:46

Aye. Aye.

Clerk58:46 – 58:47

Mrs. Blackburn.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:47 – 58:47

Aye.

Clerk58:48 – 58:48

Mr. Schmidt.

Sen. Britt (AL)58:49 – 58:49

Aye.

Clerk58:49 – 58:50

Mrs. Briggs.

Sen. Grassley (IA)58:50 – 58:50

Aye.

Clerk58:50 – 58:53

Mrs. Cooney. Mr. Jermyn.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)58:53 – 58:54

Aye, by proxy.

Clerk58:54 – 58:55

Mr. Whitehouse.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)58:55 – 58:55

Aye.

Clerk58:57 – 58:57

Mr. Klobuchar.

Sen. Grassley (IA)58:58 – 58:58

Aye.

Clerk58:59 – 59:00

Mr. Coons.

Sen. Grassley (IA)59:00 – 59:00

Aye.

Clerk59:01 – 59:02

Mr. Blumenthal.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)59:06 – 59:07

No, by proxy.

Clerk59:07 – 59:08

Mr. Booker.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)59:08 – 59:09

No, by proxy.

Clerk59:09 – 59:10

Mr. Panita.

Sen. Grassley (IA)59:10 – 59:10

No.

Clerk59:11 – 59:11

Mr. Welch.

Sen. Grassley (IA)59:12 – 59:12

Aye.

Clerk59:14 – 59:14

Mr. Schiff.

Sen. Grassley (IA)59:14 – 59:15

No.

Clerk59:16 – 59:17

Jeremy Grassley.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)59:17 – 59:18

Aye.

Clerk59:19 – 59:21

On April the I hundred seventeen, the nature five.

Sen. Grassley (IA)59:21 – 59:29

Sean Costello will be reported. Now a call on Senator Cruz and then Senator Welch. And then we'll vote on the Blackburn bill.

Sen. Cruz (TX)59:30 – 1:00:18

Thank you, Mister Chairman, I'd I'd like to commend Senator Blackburn and Senator Coons for their hard work on this bill. The topic is is certainly an important topic. The constitution itself uh establishes for the protection of intellectual property and and AI is ushering in new eras. uh with the potential of theft uh and deception that that we are gonna need to be vigilant fighting against uh that being said i also wanna associate myself with senator lee's comments um legislating in this area is complicated and and fraught with peril uh i'm gonna support this bill to move it out of committee but i have concerns on the first amendment side and and so uh i hope the the authors of this bill are willing to with senator lee and me to make sure that we are protecting legitimate first

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:00:17 – 1:00:17

for real

Sen. Cruz (TX)1:00:18 – 1:00:43

amendment speech that we are protecting satire which is an important part of speech i i think of uh i think of the ads spencer pratt ran in the la uh campaign which uh i thought were hysterical and and i think are a good example of what should be protected and not fall within uh a bill like this and so uh with with the hope and understanding that we can work together to make sure we're

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:00:44 – 1:00:58

Yeah, I got it. I apologize to Senator Coons, I forgot to mention who was the lead sponsor. Senator Welch, and then Senator Schiff, and then we'll vote.

Sen. Welch (VT)1:00:58 – 1:02:24

Uh, thank you very much, uh, Mister Chairman, and I thank my colleagues and the sponsors of this legislation. Uh, my colleague, uh, and our state representat- or our, uh, US representative in Congress, Becca Ballant, uh, had a deepfake experience similar. uh, to what Senator Klobuchar described. And it was pretty appalling. It was her image. It was her voice. It was not her words. It was not satire. It was asserting through her mouth positions that she absolutely and completely is against. And there was no indication that this was a, a AI enhanced. And the reality of the world we live in is that it is very difficult for people to see that this is a fake. But this was a fake, uh, and it is, was totally and completely realistic. Uh, so the No Fakes Act, I believe, is necessary to protect truth, identity, and creativity. Uh, so I'm happy to be a co-sponsor. But I think that none of us can underestimate the perils of what happens when image and likeness is appropriated illegally now, uh, to create confusion and chaos. Thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:02:24 – 1:02:25

Senator Schiff.

Sen. Schiff (CA)1:02:26 – 1:03:42

Thank you, Mister Chairman, I wanna offer my strong support for the No Fakes Act today. Throughout my time in Congress I've proudly represented the creative capital of the world, and I've always believed that our creative economy And hundreds of thousands of hard-working people behind it deserve strong protections for their talents, voices and likeness which make up the foundation of their livelihoods. But in the advent of AI, those livelihoods as well as the identities of everyday Americans are under threat. The rapid advancement of generative AI has brought incredible innovation, but it's also unleashed a wave of unauthorized exploitation. We see this in the voices and visual likenesses of individuals, from celebrities to children, being replicated and weaponized without their permission and sometimes, uh, without their knowledge. Uh, that is why I've long supported the No Fakes Act. This legislation, backed by a wide coalition, establishes a clear federal right protecting all individuals from unauthorized dig- digital uh replicas. The performers and voice actors who power our country's greatest cultural export deserve to know that their faces and voices won't be used to replace them. In order to protect human creativity and prevent against worse uh exploitation i urge my colleagues to support this bill and i yield back

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:03:42 – 1:03:42

mr.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:03:42 – 1:03:45

i'm going to assume that there's no amendments

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:03:45 – 1:03:46

mr. chairman

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:03:47 – 1:03:48

say go ahead sir

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:03:48 – 1:03:59

i just wanna very briefly um it is similar to senator lee and senator cruz with some first amendment concerns but willing to vote it out of committee senator blackburn and her team is assured that she'll work with us and i i appreciate that thanks

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:03:59 – 1:04:07

yeah i'm going to assume no amendments and uh the sponsor said we could do it by voice vote uh those

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:04:06 – 1:04:08

correct we are satisfied with a voice phone

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:04:08 – 1:04:11

yeah those in favor say aye

Sen. Schiff (CA)1:04:11 – 1:04:11

aye aye

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:04:12 – 1:06:12

opposed no the ayes have it without a doubt and the we've five so we have five bill is reported we now go to the cameras in the courtroom legislation uh sunshine in the courtroom act is the title of the bill uh reintroduced this year with senator klobuchar thank you senator klobuchar cosponsored by durbin blumenthal and cornyn the bill grants the presiding judge in all federal courts with the discretion to allow cameras in their courtrooms it contains provisions to protect the identity of witnesses and jurors and it prohibits coverage of private conversations this legislation addresses a long-standing need and i wanna give you an example of the locker b bombing in nineteen eighty eight terrorists detonated a bomb on an international flight headed for detroit two hundred and fifty nine people were killed years later the district court of d. c. denied victim's request to access court proceedings remotely noting that it was prohibited from doing so under federal law it took an act to congress in twenty twenty four to insure that victims in that case could remotely access the trial proceedings denial of access shouldn't be the default the public has a significant interest in many cases at the state level uh erica kirk as an example has advocated for cameras in the courtroom at the trial of her husband's murder uh and the public has a right to see justice prevail in this case as well as the families involved my bill would provide the same transparency that erica kurt seeks but at the federal level in this case it's common sense it's long overdue i encourage my colleagues to support the bill senator klobuchar would you like to speak

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:06:12 – 1:07:48

yes i would i wanna thank you for your leadership chairman grassley um and for listing this bill to expand public access to federal court proceedings uh i'd also like to thank senators durbin blumenthal and cornyn for cosponsoring and i'm also a strong supporter of senator durbin's Just this month we celebrated forty years of c-span and when it started everyone was scared. They thought they would look bad on tv. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. But they now for us it is a fixture. People should have the right to see what's going on. Uh when senators are debating the important issues of our time. The same is true, particularly of the Supreme Court. Uh that's why the two bills we are voting on is so important. I'm especially focused on the Supreme Court bill because I think just having a few, you know, the audio available or some live streams here and there isn't the same. Um, many of us have attended these hearings. It's an extraordinary experience. And you shouldn't have to come to Washington to be able to do that. The bill, I will note, and I'll end with this, provides safeguards for jurors, witnesses, and the parties involved. Um, w- the bill prohibits the broadcasting of any juror during a trial. or during jury selection. It also provides judges discretion in the trial piece of this to obscure the identity of witnesses. And the bill prevents the presiding judge from allowing media coverage entirely, if doing so would violate the due processes of the rights of the parties involved. And I encourage my colleagues to support this bill. Thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:07:49 – 1:07:50

Senator Whitehouse.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:07:50 – 1:08:02

I just wanted to note with uh Senator Durbin uh away today that he was a leader in the uh development of this bill and uh would like to put a statement into the record in support of it

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:08:02 – 1:08:09

thank you without objection we'll report the bill voice vote those in favor of reporting the bill say aye

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:08:09 – 1:08:10

aye aye aye aye

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:08:10 – 1:08:11

opposed say no

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:08:11 – 1:08:12

no no

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:08:12 – 1:09:29

the eyes have it by a big shot it's a bill's report uh yeah uh the next one's cameras in the courtroom uh uh reintroduced uh with uh senator durbin cosponsored by Klobuchar and blumenthal like the first bill this is common sense legislation that promotes transparency in our judicial system specifically it instructs the us supreme court to permit television coverage of the proceedings that are already open to the public but the bill restricts coverage for specific cases if a majority of the supreme court votes that it should violate due process the public has a right to observe the cases before the highest court indeed supreme court decisions have national importance and they effect the lives of every american this legislation ensures access to all americans even those who may not have resources to travel washington d. c. and observe the uh uh court in person i encourage my colleagues to support this bill uh do you wanna speak for senator durbin

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:09:29 – 1:09:36

yes again senator durbin was a leader in the development of this legislation as well and i ask that his statement be put into the record

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:09:36 – 1:09:45

since i hear nobody want to speak without objection we'll report this bill by voice vote unfavorably reporting all favors say aye

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:09:45 – 1:09:46

aye aye

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:09:46 – 1:09:47

opposed say no

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:09:47 – 1:09:48

no

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:09:48 – 1:09:51

it's uh overwhelmingly reported out

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:09:51 – 1:09:52

no

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:09:52 – 1:09:54

uh uh meet meeting adjourned that's a good

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