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Hearings to examine the nomination of Todd Blanche, of Florida, to be Attorney General.

Wednesday, July 15, 2026

Summary

  • Todd Blanche (Acting Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice) testified the $2 billion weaponization fund is dead with no money transferred and no commissioners appointed.
  • Blanche claimed murders fell roughly 20% nationwide to the lowest rate since 1900 while violent crime arrests surged and fentanyl seizures skyrocketed.
  • Durbin pressed Blanche to personally meet ten Epstein survivors within thirty days, and Blanche promised action but cited limits if victims have counsel.
  • Republicans praised Blanche’s law-enforcement record and qualifications while Democrats condemned alleged politicization, Epstein file handling, and retaliatory prosecutions of opponents.
  • The committee will hear from an Epstein survivor at an outside witness panel tomorrow before deciding whether to advance Blanche’s Attorney General nomination.

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Sen. Grassley (IA)15:50 – 16:07

Welcome everybody to this hearing when we consider Todd Blanch's nomination to serve as the eighty-eighth Attorney General of the United States. Congratulations, Mr. Blanch, on your appointment.

Todd Blanche (Witness)16:08 – 16:09

Thank you, Chairman.

Sen. Grassley (IA)16:11 – 32:53

Uh These are the ground rules for this meeting. I'll handle this hearing as our committee handled the nominations of Attorneys General Bondi and Garland. I want everyone to be able to watch without obstruction. If people block the view of those behind them or speak out of turn it's not fair. It's not considerate, so officers will immediately remove that person or persons. Uh, I'm going to give my opening remarks and then ranking member Durbin will give his remarks. Then I'll call on Senator Moody to introduce the nominee. Following that introduction, will provide his opening statement. And then we'll we'll turn to questions. Each senator will have ten minutes to ask questions. My s- my standard approach has been that if you got one second left as a member of the committee you can ask your question. But After the questions answered, I'm gonna move on to the next member. Mister Blanch, thank you for being here. As I've said before, this is one of the most important offices in our country. You went through a rough senate confirmation a little over a year ago, so you know all about it. I appreciate that you cooperated with this committee. every step and fulfilled your responsibilities in good faith while simultaneously running the world's uh largest lawful office. The Senate has already judged your fitness for high office and confirmed you as the department's second in command. Today we consider you for a promotion. And we're not starting out from a blank slate. you have a track record. My democratic colleagues have relentlessly attacked the department, and your and President Trump's leadership. They've called the department, quote unquote, a disgrace, and suggested the agency is broken. Their media allies and activist networks have echoed that message. Are these assertions correct? Let's put aside partisan criticism for a moment and address the evidence. The department's primary duty is to enforce our nation's laws and to keep Americans safe. So how is the department stacking up? The answer is, for those who care to judge firmal- fairly, It's a record of success. The United States has the lowest murder rate since nineteen hundred. The FBI has captured eight of the top ten most wanted fugitives. Violent crime arrests by arrests by the FBI are up a hundred and eighty four percent. More than eight hundred and forty nine individuals have been disrupted from conducting terrorist attacks. The ATF has seized more than forty- four thousand illegal firearms. That is not a failure. What about the department's record on illegal drugs? Since January of last year, the DEA has made more than sixty-three hundred fentanyl arrests. it has it has seized more than five thousand kilograms of fentanyl powder fifty five million fentanyl pills twenty two hundred and forty thousand kilograms of methamphetamine and one and two tenths million kilograms of cocaine The fentanyl alone amounts to more than four hundred and twenty eight million fatal seizures. That is not a failure. And what about protecting children? Our committee has fought for years on a bipartisan basis to protect our nation's children from the horrors of exploitation. Ranking member Durbin and I, in a bipartisan way, our leading landmark legislation the james t woods act to tackle that very issue and once again our partners at the justice department have a record of success the fbi has arrested twenty nine hundred child predators and human traffickers a seventy percent increase from twenty twenty four and located more than thousand nine hundred and forty child victims. The US Marshals have recovered more than one thousand one hundred and eighty-two missing children that doesn't sound like failure to me in contrast the Biden administration diverted prosecutors from child sex crime cases on January six cases that is unbelievable. My democrat colleagues have criticized the Justice Department for a lack of transparency. I've been critical as well as I am with every administration. Whoever occupies the oval office, when we don't get that cooperation, no one cares more about oversight than I do in all my years of congressional oversight. This department has been the most responsive to my requests. That means every Republican or Democrat administration previous to this one. And the numbers back this up. Since January of last year, the department has produced approximately forty-three thousand pages of records in response to requests from the Senate and the House. To put that in perspective, that's a approximately three times the number of records produced in a equivalent time by the biden justice department the department has also released more than three and three tenths million pages of additional records with more coming every day their work is not done and i expect continued responsiveness and as well the very important thing of declassification But credit should be given where credit is due. A few more successes. They've established the National Fraud Enforcement Division to address more than five billion dollars in fraud against American taxpayers. They've reduced the immigration case log by more than four hundred sixty-eight thousand. They've challenged and eliminated racist and unlawful discrimination in government and the private sector. They're exposing and readdressing the Biden era weaponization of the department against political opponents. They've captured and are prosecuting the dictator Nicholas Maduro for crimes related to narco-terrorism. The list goes on. This department is keeping Americans safe, and the numbers back that up. Mister Blanche, you should take pride in delivering the law enforcement promise the American people voted for in twenty twenty four. But at the hearing today, we might expect the opposite. My democratic colleagues will talk about uh these uh they won't talk about these successes. I expect the same playbook that we've seen for nearly every one of President Trump's nominees, pure partisan obstruction and partisan attack. This approach is the same one that we've seen over and over. In fact, it becomes such a pattern that I'll just quote myself from a speech I delivered almost a year ago regarding another nominee. Last July I said quote, " since the very beginning of this Congress, Democrats have engaged in relentless obstruction campaign for nearly every one of President Trump's nominees. Their playbook has included maximum procedural obstruction, unfair media attacks, repeated attempts to allege misconduct and demands for delayed consideration, records and investigations. like clockwork, just before a hearing or a vote, we get another breathless accusation that one of President Trump's nominees needs to be investigated, the end of my quote of last January. So here we are again, just like clockwork, the Democrats and their media allies and activist networks have launched the expected crusade against your nomination. To be clear, there are fair questions for Mister Blanch. I don't agree with how Mister Blanch or the Justice Department has handled every matter and I've demanded answers and will continue to do so. But many of the criticisms aired in recent days just completely miss the mark, and I'll give one example. We've seen a coordinated campaign from former Justice Department employees opposing blanchish nomination by democratic colleagues in the partisan media, have publicized their letter framing the signators as a group of non-partisan, quote unquote, career civil servants. Of course, they failed to mention in that letter was coordinated by the same group that engaged in partisan and misleading campaigns opposing judge bovey's nomination. They also don't mention that the letter's signatures include a who's who of partisan activists including former chicago mayor laurie lightfoot and jack smith's partisan prosecutors j p cooney molly gust gustin and david rody. And they certainly don't mention that mister planch has received letters of support from organizations representing more than six hundred thousand law enforcement officers, twenty-three state attorneys general, and scores of former justice department officials. So, from my vantage point, if the people who engaged in in the worst partisan law affair law affair this country has ever seen, have a problem with Todd Blanch, uh that's a good thing. in my book. As sure as sunrise. Today, some of my democrat colleagues will tell us that Mister Branch has uniquely uniquely terrible nominee. Before they do so, however, I urge them to remember the boy who cried wolf and take a long look in the mirror before lecturing anyone about partisanship at the Justice Department. So I have one more subject I'd like to discuss developments in my and Senator Johnson's Jack Smith investigation. Smith's team subpoenaed the National Archives June twenty twenty three. That subpoena sought text messages from cell phones connected to Trump's White House staffers. The date range for the records was october one twenty twenty to january twentieth twenty twenty one the archives then general counsel gary stern emailed thomas windham one of smith's deputies on august twenty first twenty twenty three at twelve nineteen p m that email said responsive records were ready on august twenty one the same day twenty twenty three just uh twenty seconds later windham had already downloaded the text and shortly after that other doj and fbi personnel involved in the case did as well whistleblowers told my office that smith didn't pass these records to a filter team and you can see in twenty minutes it wasn't time to go to a filter team, that filter team was already in place. The Justice Department has confirmed that fact in a letter to the committee, quote, the special counsel's investigative team apparently bypassed the filter team, and directly accessed these text messages, end of quote. The DOJ letter to the committee also said, quote, the special counsel's office had previously been made aware of the risks that records relating to members meaning members of congress communications could raise constitutional questions and might be privileged under the speech and and debate clause end of quote that speech and debate clause is a constitutional issue even if smith's team had been instructed to look for congressional or other privileged information It wouldn't matter, because in this example, it appears the filter team was entirely bypassed. Based on the information provided to the committee, Smith's operation cut corners and blew through constitutional stop signs, instead of respecting them and having been advised about the constitutional problems. The White House messages obtained and reviewed by Smith's team included communications with many senators and representatives. The communications included messages with members on this committee, including this senator. The subject matter of those members' communication included core constitutional responsibilities, such as congressional legislation, resolutions, and investigative work. It also included other information irrelevant to Jack Smith's case against then-citizen Trump. Instead of that information being walled off, it was intentionally shared. This is another example how this misguided investigation wasn't normal and demands further investigation. Jack Smith's operation was a runaway political train that improperly obtained congressional information. I've requested Acting Attorney General Blanch to allow members to review these records. Senator Gerben.

Sen. Durbin (IL)32:56 – 33:14

Thank you very much, Mister Chairman. Uh, Mister Blanch, thank you for coming by my office yesterday. Uh, I think we both knew going into that meeting that we had strongly held political beliefs on both sides of the table. And yet we had, I think, a a respectful exchange and I thank you for coming by.

Sen. Moody (FL)33:14 – 33:14

Thank you.

Sen. Durbin (IL)33:14 – 33:35

Uh, I'm glad you brought your staffers with you. My staff was there as well. If there was any misunderstanding uh my representation of your remarks, you'll have a chance to correct the record uh in a few moments. But I'll do my best to stick by what I said and as my staff has backed me up and in my memory of it, yours may be different. But thank you for meeting with me yesterday.

Sen. Grassley (IA)33:34 – 33:34

Thank you.

Sen. Durbin (IL)33:36 – 38:48

I wanna acknowledge uh the obvious empty seat at the dais here, which the chairman's uh next to the chairman. The committee is mourning the loss of our friend and colleague, Senator Lindsey Graham. former chairman and ranking member of this committee. I served on the committee with Senator Graham since he joined the Senate in two thousand three. I'm gonna cherish my memories of both our fierce partisan battles and our landmark bipartisan agreements. He was a trusted friend. My my friends and family back home can't believe it when I say these things. You mean that, Lindsey Graham? Yes, I do. He was a good person, a valuable part of the Senate family, and a extremely valuable part of this committee. Uh, I'm glad that we're honoring him with this, uh, memorial today. Uh, let me say at the outset that the chairman, uh, has spent several minutes talking about Jack Smith. I wanna make one thing clear about Jack Smith, who was the special counsel. Months ago, perhaps six months ago, maybe longer, he volunteered to appear before this committee under oath and testify about what he did as special counsel, and to answer the questions of the committee. For reasons I cannot explain, the Republican majority does not wanna bring Jack Smith before this committee and have him testify under oath. They continue on regular basis to take exception to things that he said or did or allegedly did, but will not bring him before this committee. I don't get it. If they have something they wanna raise with Jack Smith, That place is where he should be sitting, under oath and answering the questions, and he's volunteered to do it. But they turned him down. Mister uh Chairman, we are here today with uh awesome responsibility of choosing the next Attorney General of the United States of America. We're here because there's a vacancy in the office, the President decided uh to fire the predecessor uh of of uh Mister Blanch after just fourteen months on the job. After courts and grand juries blocked her from prosecuting the president's political opponents. Seemingly, President Trump believes you, mister Blanch, will be more successful. When you were first nominated to be Deputy Attorney General, Democrats raised concerns about the president's personal attorney serving as the top attorney in the Justice Department. The Attorney General is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States of America. Since you were confirmed, the Department of Justice has literally violated dozens of court orders to advance the President's agenda. Last year, you declared that the Justice Department was " at war" with the federal judiciary. I brought that up to you yesterday. I believe all of us, both sides of the table, need to be more careful with our rhetoric when it comes to the judiciary. Yesterday we had the testimony of Justices Kagan and Barrett. And they talked about the impact on them personally and on their families, with the threats that have been increasing against them physically. Most of us on this side of the table know what they're talking about. We have a similar experience. But it is a b- responsibility of all of us, Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, in or out of the government, be careful with what we say about the judiciary. They are doing their job. we should never, ever countenance violence against anyone on either side. One of your first official actions as Acting Attorney General, uh, Mister Blanch, was to establish the two billion dollar weaponization or slush fund, to benefit January sixth cop beaters, while immunizing President Trump from IRS liability. You defended the slush fund by claiming quote, people hurt police, get money, who hurt police, get money all the time." End quote. Despite resounding bipartisan criticism and admitting that it was a mistake, you've refused to resend the order creating this fund. That order can still be found on the Department of Justice's web site today. We talked about this yesterday in my office. I I didn't quite understand your explanation. I'll give you a chance of course to explain it. But you said it was up to Congress to codify the elimination of this fund. This was a creation of the executive branch, it was not a creation of Congress. So I I hope you'll clarify that statement. Earlier this week a federal judge characterized your explanation of the settlement that led to this fund quote, "at best misleading and at worst disingenuous." You told me yesterday that the opinion was quote " a hit piece on you", another troubling attack on a judge for doing her job. Then there's the cover-up of the Epstein files, which former Attorney General Bondi herself said you were quote " in charge of". Under your leadership, more than one thousand FBI personnel were pulled off of other priorities

Sen. Grassley (IA)38:46 – 38:47

After more than

Sen. Durbin (IL)38:48 – 39:52

and directed to flag Epstein records uh for any mentions of President Trump. When scrutiny of the cover-up intensified, you participated in meetings in the White House Situation Room to strategize about how to protect President Trump. not Epstein's survivors, the president. When Congress forced the administration to release the files, hundreds of survivors' personal information was unredacted, victimizing them again. Meanwhile, the names of powerful Epstein allies remained protected in clear violation of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. Your explanation, quote, "it isn't a crime to party with Mr. Epstein." Mister Blanch, these survivors deserve much better. I wanna recognize many of them who are in the audience today. I thank them for their courage in speaking out. Tomorrow we will hear one of them during our outside witness panel. I'd like to enter into the record six letters from Epstein's survivors, in opposition to the Blanch nomination.

Sen. Grassley (IA)39:52 – 39:54

Without objection, so ordered.

Sen. Durbin (IL)39:55 – 42:00

I'm asking you, Mister Blanch, today, before you leave this room. to agree to meet with these epstein survivors personally and to bring with you professionals from the department of justice to hear them out they have the courage to tell their story and they should at least hear from their government that it they take it seriously after your interview with convicted sex trafficker galene maxwell an attempt i believe to exonerate president trump miss maxwell was transferred to a minimum security camp that is unheard of for offenders like her. You said it was for her own personal safety. I hope you'll explain that today. You told me yesterday you wanna be Attorney General because you love the Department of Justice, and you love prosecutors. But you have removed from the department some of the most effective prosecutors that have ever served our government. Done that for personal reasons, purging career law enforcement officials who won't prioritize President Trump's interests. over their oath to the constitution. You fired the career pardoned attorney because she wouldn't sign off on restoring gun rights to a convicted domestic abuser, Mel Gibson, personal friend of President Trump. You fired career immigration litigator, Erez Runeby, for refusing to follow unethical orders from your former law partner, Emil Bove, and other senior DOJ officials to lie to a federal court. You bragged about firing career law enforcement professionals simply because they were assigned to investigate the president's criminal misconduct, including FBI agents who specialized in investigating threats from foreign adversaries like Iran. More than twelve hundred former career DOJ employees, who worked for both Republican and Democratic administrations, sent this committee a letter opposing your nomination because you have purged DOJ of thousands of experienced law enforcement officials. putting our nation's security at risk. I would like to enter this letter into the record with the US consent.

Sen. Grassley (IA)42:00 – 42:02

Without objection, so ordered.

Sen. Durbin (IL)42:03 – 47:47

You testified under oath last year that as Deputy Attorney General, you would consult with career ethics officials to avoid conflicts of interest. A significant concern since you received nearly ten million dollars as the President's personal attorney. But you've gutted the DOJ offices that handle ethics and professional responsibility. After the department's top career ethics lawyer advised you to recuse yourself from any matters relating to Trump and his personal capacity, that lawyer was fired. Every smarmy, suspect deal in this administration has cryptocurrency behind the curtain. And again it has happened, when it comes to the billion dollar windfall that went to the president in his first year in office. Shortly after you were confirmed as deputy attorney general, you issued an order Dismantling DOJ's crypto enforcement team. And shutting down ongoing criminal investigations in the crypto industry. At the time you owned at least a hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars worth of crypto related assets. While you eventually divested those assets didn't go far. You simply transferred them to your child, your children and grandchild. With the crypto enforcement unit out of the way. President Trump brought in one point four billion dollars. from his family's cryptocurrency business in twenty twenty five alone. Take that one, take one example of the dealing in the administration. In April, twenty twenty four, the founder of the crypto company Binance was sentenced to prison and ordered to pay fifty million dollar fine for a money laundering scheme. Fifty million dollar fine. He then brokered a deal to channel two billion dollars into the Trump family's crypto business, World Liberty Finance, after which President Trump pardoned him. Binance accounts have funneled about one point seven billion dollars to Iranian entities linked to terrorism. The president's World Liberty Financial continues to partner with Binance, even with these uh facts that I've spelled out in this statement. He recently claimed quote, Mr. uh Blanche, that there's a ton of evidence that the twenty twenty election was rigged. You should see what happens in this committee room, when judicial nominees of this administration appear before this committee, raise their hands, take the oath, and and then feel the questions asked by members of the committee. You'll see some of the people who are even judges today at state level, and have distinguished careers in law, start to avert their eyes, squirm, and then give a script which doesn't acknowledge the obvious. Donald Trump lost the twenty twenty election by seven million popular eh votes. Seven million votes popular, and he lost by that number. That's a fact. Any eighth grader in America knows it and can repeat it for you. And yet when it comes down to asking Trump judicial nominees who won the twenty twenty election, you ought to see him squirm. What's the reason? The president's big lie. he believes in his heart of hearts that he somehow won that election, though he can't produce any evidence of that fact. Well, we'll give you your chance. I hope that you'll produce the evidence to show one way or the other that the big lie is the truth or not the truth. Your first indictment of former FBI Director Comey failed, in a case brought by an unqualified and unlawfully appointed US Attorney, Lindsay Halligan. So now Mister Comey is being prosecuted. for taking pictures of seashells. This prosecution, personally ordered by the president, who despises Mister Comey, for overseeing the investigation of Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election. You have also baselessly indicted the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organization that has worked tirelessly to expose violent extremists like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, a group which we and the Senate know well for their January sixth escapade. The same people you gave a clean slate for their role in attacking this capital. A federal judge recently singled out your quote, remarkable statements targeting Kilmar Abrego Garcia as evidence that his criminal prosecution was quote, marked by a retaliatory taint for successfully fighting his deportation. And despite my repeated request, you've yet to produce the DOJ memorandum concluding that it was legally permissible for the President of the United States to accept a gift of a luxury airliner from the royal family of Qatar, despite constitutional and statutory foreign gift prohibitions. Earlier this month, that jet was launched as Air Force one, despite credible reports of security vulnerability. Last weekend, the Department of Justice responded not by addressing these concerns, but by sending federal agents with subpoenas to the homes of the reporters who exposed these lapses. In less than eighteen months at the Department of Justice, you've shown you're still President Trump's personal attorney. Your tenure can be summed up in the four words you said, quote, " I love you, sir," to President Trump. This was your response when you asked what you would say to him. This nation deserves an Attorney General who loves the Constitution more than any single president. An Attorney General focused on keeping America safe, and combating corruption, not satisfying the president's personal grievances or channeling crypto crypto cash to the administration's mega faithful. Mister President, Mister Chairman, I yield.

Sen. Grassley (IA)47:48 – 47:49

Now, we turn.

Sen. Moody (FL)47:53 – 55:08

Thank you. Thank you, Mister Chairman. My goodness, I expect you'll be getting a lot of questions about how one person may influence every decision you make and unduly influence everything you do. And I hope you say you are absolutely right, and it is that granddaughter sitting right behind you. She wou- is the cutest thing I've ever seen. Good morning everyone. Thank you for being here. Um, I have the distinct pleasure of introducing Acting Attorney General Todd Blanch. He serves and has served as our Acting Attorney General and our Deputy Attorney General. Uh, and amongst all of the questioning today, uh, most of which I hope is in good faith, uh, Sometimes it gets lost that he is a former prosecutor and dedicated his life to, to prosecuting for this nation. Um, the greatest testament to his good character and wise judgment is he is now a Floridian and my constituent as the newest senator from the great state of Florida. But he has led a, a very distinguished career within the realm of the Department of Justice, of which he now seeks to head as the Permanent Attorney General. Uh, and before I go um more into that, I wanna thank you, Mister Blanche, for offering yourself not just first as Deputy Attorney General, but now as Acting Attorney General, anyone of us on either side of the aisle sitting here today knows what it means to serve, and what comes with that, uh, and what that takes every day, and certainly what that means for your families that stand beside and behind you and sometimes hold you up throughout the process. We thank you and we thank your family is, that is here today. Um. Since President Trump Trump took office and leadership, uh, including you, uh, entered at the Department of Justice, as you heard our Chairman say, you have worked to achieve the lowest murder rate since nineteen hundred. Violent crime arrests are up a hundred and eighty-four percent. Over twenty-four hundred gangs and criminal enterprises have been disrupted and dismantled. Twenty-nine hundred, almost three thousand child predators and human traffickers have been arrested. That is an increase of seventy percent since twenty twenty four. And when it comes to fighting for a fentanyl-free America, which we both appeared at a summit this week, you and the department are excelling there too. DOJ has made over sixty-three hundred fentanyl arrests, seized more than five thousand kilograms of fentanyl powder, fifty-five million fentanyl pills. That is fatal doses enough to kill four hundred and twenty-eight million people. And just so that everybody understands what that means, that is more than the population of the United States of America. That's just a few top-line numbers on core operations at the heart of DOJ's mission. The DOJ is indeed in the driver's seat of the war on fraud. And I hope members on both side of the dais will give you time to talk about that today, not only for their consideration of your nomination, but also so the American people can hear about that. I know that you are in for a long process today, so I wanna take my remaining time to talk about you, the person your career, Todd Blanch. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanch is a patriot who was raised in the Department of Justice. He spent merely, he spent nearly a decade in a in what is recognized as one of the best prosecuting offices in the country, the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, where he prosecuted drug traffickers and violent criminals. In fact, this career, dedicated to justice and the rule of law, started even before that. He started at the Department of Justice as a paralegal. I love that story, how you started there and you worked your way through the ranks. And it was always about hard work. Throughout time, he didn't just clock in and clock out, he did really good work, such good work that he was noticed routinely and honored for his commitment to excellence. In twenty eleven, while he was at the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, he received the Director's Award for Superior Performance as an Assistant US Attorney in the Criminal Division. In two thousand thirteen, he received the Federal Drug Agents Foundation's True American Hero Award. He received the New York City Police Department commendation three different years. He received the US Drug Enforcement Administration commendation two different years, and a commendation from the FBI two separate years. And to round out this collection, he received recognition from the ATF in three years. I think this is emblematic of a career that was really spent doing the work of the people and trying to do it well keeping his head down without seeking recognition. But he couldn't help but get it because of the work and the superior performance that he was doing. And I really think that's an example for anyone watching today, anyone in this audience, any young person at home, any young lawyer, do good work, put your head down. You are evidence of that. You do good work, you do a job well done, and you get noticed for that, and you, opportunities will seek you out, commendations will seek you out, more than networking, political connections, anything like that, it is that in which people will seek you out. to serve. And it may be just that job well done that got you recognized by the President of the United States and completely changed your life. Some members will try to hold that against you today. They will ignore that long career and every commendation that you received before you ever met or served or acted as an attorney uh for for the President. They'll ignore all those orders and they'll gnash their teeth because They don't like one man. And I believe that misses the mark. It completely ignores the fact that the reason you stepped up to serve is because you love this country, you dedicated your career to the Department of Justice, and in fact you lived out the motto in Latin. I will not say the Latin because no one will understand that, but I will say the la- the motto of the Department of Justice is who who prosecutes on behalf of justice, not who prosecutes on behalf of a political agenda or to target someone, who prosecutes on behalf of justice. And you stood up and took on that responsibility. And so I hope today's questions will focus on allowing you to explain the legal positions of the department that you've been a part of, or why you've made certain positions in cases or compliance with orders. all things that might go towards how you will perform on behalf of this great nation and the people you serve, how you will excel as an Attorney General, but I suspect that nuance and good faith will be the price paid for clips and likes by some members in this room. I hope today is the exception. Nonetheless, I thank you for stepping up to serve, acting uh as the Attorney General in this time in which um we are seeking for your formal nomination. I thank you for being willing to take on not only this nomination process, but the job itself, because that will be an enormous responsibility, not only to the Department of Justice and the people that work there but for the American citizens in this country moving forward. So I thank you very much. And with that, Mister Chairman, I introduce Mister Todd Blanch as President of Trump Comedy.

Sen. Grassley (IA)55:06 – 55:39

Thank you. Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator Moody. Would you please stand at this respond to this oath. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So help you God. Thank you for your positive response. Now it's up to you to uh take what time you want to make a statement and introduce any people you have with you.

Todd Blanche (Witness)55:40 – 1:03:15

Thank you. Thank you very much, Chairman Grassley, and and thank you, Senator, for that um introduction. I I appreciate you and your friendship. Um good morning um Chairman Grassley, Ranking Member Durbin and and the other members of the committee. Thank you for for having me. Um as as uh Senator Durbin said a minute ago, I I would like to offer each of you my condolences for the loss of your colleague. Senator Graham, he was a patriot and a friend to so many, to so many of us. It's a loss for the American people and I think honoring him today, and as he's been honored for the past several days is, is the right thing to do. Seventeen months ago, I sat at this table as the nominee to be the Deputy Attorney General. And I told you that serving in the Department of Justice was my American dream. Since then I have, I have helped lead it, first as deputy and now as acting attorney general. And I'm here today to earn your trust, once more. I've lived the American dream. I waited tables to get through college, moved to New York with my wife, and two young kids, went to law school. At night, read textbooks, on the late train home, while I worked days as a paralegal. at the US attorney's office. From that start, I became a prosecutor and spent nine years prosecuting violent gangs and drug dealers. I rose through the ranks of the Department of Justice as a line prosecutor, then a division chief, then as of last year, Deputy Attorney General, and now Acting Attorney General, but I did not take that path for a title. I took it to make a difference for American families and the towns they call home. I am exceedingly grateful to President Trump for his trust, and to my family who have carried me through every long day and late night. My wife, Christine, our wonderful children, Sidney and Justin, my granddaughter Blaine, who's here today, all of them are here today, my wonderful um friends, many of whom are here today, um are really what what make this worth it and what gets me through my days. And so I wanna thank them for not only being here today and supporting me, but also uh being being with me every step of the way in the journey that we're on together. My family's blessings should be available to all Americans. When a family can send their kids to school, walk their neighborhood after dark, and build a life without fear, every promise of the American dream is within reach. When they cannot, none of it is. That's my job, securing safety for every American. I'm pleased to testify again today to tell everybody here that we are doing just that, we are keeping America safe. Since President Trump took office, it's been said a few times this morning already, but it bears repeating, murders are down roughly twenty percent nationwide. We have the lowest murder rate since nineteen hundred. violent crime arrests are up nearly a hundred and fourteen percent. We've taken almost five thousand child predators and human traffickers off the streets. And the Department of Justice has filed nearly one hundred thousand indictments and informations since January twentieth, twenty twenty five. Additionally, in just the last four weeks, in just the last month, paid ninety six million dollars in claims through the Public Safety Officers Benefits Program to eligible surviving families of fallen public safety officers, even while fewer law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty than the prior years. And obviously these are not just numbers. Each one is a family that still has its son or daughter, and an officer who came home for dinner. If you look at Washington and Memphis as examples, where we have worked with federal, state, and local partners, pulling thousands of criminals off the streets in those two cities. Homicides in DC are down about sixty percent and overall crime in Memphis declined by more than forty percent. We've seized thousands of illegal guns, brought more than a hundred and fifty missing children home in those two cities and cleaned up parks and spaces. so you can take your kids and loved ones there once again. We are enforcing our borders. We are prosecuting the smugglers who profited from an open border, removing criminal aliens, and dismantling gangs like MS thirteen and TDA. We're smashing the cartels and any of the scourge of drugs in our communities. We designated the major cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, because that's exactly what they are. And we're using every tool that unlocked narco-terrorism charges, forfeiture, and extraditions. Dozens of our cartel leaders are now in American custody, drug seizures are skyrocketing, and overdose deaths are finally falling. We are protecting taxpayers. Last year, the largest healthcare fraud takedown in American history, more than fourteen billion dollars, and another eleven billion dollars in total fraud, um, in just the last three months. That's money stolen from the FISC, stolen from Medicare, from seniors, working families, and we're clawing it back. We're doing all of this, I will add, through partnership. Federal agents, state troopers, county sheriffs, local officers, and state attorneys general in your home states, all pulling in the same direction. That is what happens when we fight crime together, and I wanna bring that model that we've done in a few towns to more communities in every state. Above all, we are restoring American trust. In recent years, we watched the Justice Department turned against many of you, and a former president. And it damaged the public's faith in justice. We are fixing that. Members of this committee on both sides have fair questions about the hard debates of the past year, and I welcome them. I'm proud of what we've done to help American families see safer streets and to have a fair shot at the life they're working to build. None of this is a Republican or Democrat issue. Every senator here has constituents who just want to be safe. The men and women of this department are the finest people I have ever worked with, and leading them is the honor of my professional life. We are keeping America safe, and we are just getting started. I love this country. I love the Department of Justice. Thank you very much, Chairman, for the opportunity to appear before this.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:03:21 – 1:04:35

thank you for that testimony and we'll now have our ten minute rounds of questioning i'll start and then senator from illinois uh i've long been concerned about concentration and anti-competitive conduct in healthcare technology but particularly in agriculture family farmers deserve fair prices uh i held a hearing on anti-competitive activities uh in this committee last october on the subject of of agriculture as i recall as a result of that hearing the president issued an executive order and an investigation was started in your department and uh i've sensed some pause in that right now so i have confirmed uh do you have a commitment that the justice department will make antitrust enforcement a priority and since i think there are too many people in the justice department know much about agriculture with some concentration on agriculture

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:04:36 – 1:05:00

chairman absolutely you're right president trump has issued an executive order i have worked already closely with secretary rollins um on this very issue we we recently held a press conference announcing some of the work that we're doing to to not only deal with the anti-competitive behavior uh that we've seen but also to help ease prices in the cattle market uh around the country so yes chairman i commit to that

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:05:00 – 1:05:22

our committee has received a lot of outreach about the department's litigation position in louisiana versus fda The plaintiffs in this case challenged the relaxed regulation governing mail-order abortion drugs. Can you tell the committee about this case and explain what the department's doing?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:05:23 – 1:06:15

Chairman, first President Trump is the most pro-life president in history. And the work that this department's doing, um, um, in that space is, is something that hasn't been done for ten years, for, for the first time in a decade. HHS and the FDA are actually taking a real look at what's happening um with some of these abortion pills and whether they're actually safe or not. As it relates to the the litigation you referenced, it would be it would be wrong for me to talk about any litigation strategy uh beyond what's in our briefs but uh uh suffice to say chairman that um a as we talk about in our briefs, we are not in any way defending um what what biden and what his administration uh what his administration did with with what respect to that judge but beyond that i i don't wanna comment on the strategy about that litigation

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:06:16 – 1:06:58

this committee has also received outreach outreach concerning the department's handling of the investigation uh and release of epstein files and your role in it some allegations include problematic redactions insufficient effort to uh follow uh investigative leads a refusal to meet with victims and questions regarding the transfer of maxwell to lower security prison i wanted you to take the opportunity to respond to these allegations what would you like this committee to know regarding these uh files

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:06:59 – 1:11:06

when president trump signed the the epstein transparency act um the Department of Justice undertook a Herculian task to review millions and millions of potentially responsive files. Um, we were required under the statute to do this expeditiously and very quickly. Um, the Department of Justice did so. Um, we reviewed over six million pages. Many of these pages were not responsive. And what I mean by that is we intentionally over-collected potentially responsive documents. So for example, There was a case going on in Florida at the same time as the Jeffrey Epstein case, involving another defendant named Epstein, having nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. When we collected materials, we collected everything involving Epstein, including the Epstein that had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. So the review of of materials included non-responsive materials. Um, the the the reviewers were qualified, experienced attorneys within the department and the FBI. Um, they took pains to apply appropriate redactions. Um, there were mistakes that were made, and so approximately one percent of the redactions had to be fixed after we released the Epstein files. Um, Chairman, we had dozens of lawyers on call, um, twenty-four seven, whenever we learned that any victim's name had been improperly not redacted, we immediately took the document down. and fixed it as soon as we could. That doesn't excuse the mistakes of which I take responsibility, but it does mean that we tried to fix them. We we complied with the act um w- it required us complying with judges' rules in New York, um which uh required us to redact certain victims' names, even if the victim was also somebody who participated in criminal conduct, um the judge did not allow judges in New York did not allow us to unredact those names. Then the other thing that we did, Chairman, is we made unredacted versions of the entire database available to everybody in this body. And we did that because of transparency. Remember, for four years there wasn't a peep about Jeffrey Epstein. Um, the Biden administration did nothing to be transparent about the Epstein case. We have been extraordinarily transparent in not only producing the records, but letting unredacted versions be available to anybody in this body. And if after reviewing unredacted materials, a member had concerns about why something was redacted, they brought them to, to the department's attention and, and, and we addressed that. So I, I um, I wanna make sure the American people know that this administration, when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein, has been more transparent, um, than any past administration, than Biden was or anybody else. And what we did is we, we complied with the law. And if we learn a new material, we will most certainly um review it and make it available. When it comes to the the the victims of this horrible man, um we will never, never, not talk to victims. We will never not do everything we can to prosecute anybody that committed any crimes against any of these women. Um, so that narrative is false. Um, we have spoken with over thirty representatives of of dozens and dozens of victims um since this process started, any victim, if they're here today, um I would encourage them to to ha- or their lawyers to to meet with the FBI. We will one hundred percent investigate. There are no closed investigations. If we learn today, if we learn next week, if we learn next month, that there's an individual that we can investigate, indict, and prosecute out of the Epstein files, you better believe that we will. And so um, we we worked hard, the the hardworking lawyers within the department to to do the right thing with the, with the, to comply with the act and we did, um and and will continue to do so, chairman.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:11:06 – 1:11:25

Jack Smith and his team possessed and reviewed congressional information, and other sensitive materials, when they shouldn't have and they were advised not to. Describe the steps you've taken to impose accountability so that this egregious And partisan misconduct never happens again.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:11:26 – 1:12:16

The the biggest thing we can do, Chairman, is be transparent about what happened. And that requires us doing a a a check on on ourselves and on the work that that happened before us and being transparent with this body and providing records to you. Um, I think when the American people understand and learn what happened, and the egregious abuses that happened, um, um, it will be a check on making sure it never happens again. Um, we we strive every day to not only move forward as a department doing the right thing, but to make sure that any any anything that happened in the past, um, whether it's releasing emails or or admitting to to things that we did and the department did that we shouldn't have done, um, to to to making being transparent with the American people about that, that's the best we can do and that's what that's what we're doing.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:12:16 – 1:12:50

Uh, I made message messages public between jack smith's office that appeared to relate to the trump classified document case those messages showed government personnel left open a classified facility and potentially mishandled classified information causing a security violation while defense counsels to trump uh did the government apprise you of these issues and secondly did the biden justice administration do any investigation into this misconduct.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:12:51 – 1:13:00

We were never advised uh w- at that time when I was defense counsel to President Trump and and I'm not aware of any investigation that was started by for that alleged conduct.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:13:01 – 1:13:44

Uh the Justice Department must do a full and complete investigation into this matter. Uh this will probably have to be my last question. On March the fifteenth this year I made public a signed and sworn statement from an FBI official. That statement says two important things. Special Counsel Mueller's team lacked a legal basis to pursue a FISA renewal of the Waleed Fares and investigate Thomas Burr, uh, Burak. Uh, but did so anyway, what steps have you taken to investigate these very troubling criminal allegations? And if you haven't taken any action, why not?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:13:45 – 1:13:59

We we are investigating that, Chairman, and it would be inappropriate in this setting to get into the details of that investigation but the the sworn affidavit that that we reviewed from that you provided, um, does raise serious allegations. Yes.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:14:00 – 1:14:02

Thank you very much, Senator Drude.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:14:02 – 1:14:23

Thank you much, uh, Mr. Chairman, uh, Mr. Blanch. Uh, I have a few questions I'd like to ask you. Is it not true that Congress had to pass a law requiring the Trump administration to disclose the epstein files the epstein files transparency act passed by bipartisan roll calls in the house and senate to finally get the files made public

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:14:23 – 1:14:25

president trump signed that law yes

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:14:25 – 1:14:38

yeah of course he did after overwhelming numbers of house members and senate members voted for it uh on a bipartisan basis because the administration would not voluntarily produce these documents now i have

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:14:38 – 1:14:39

that that's not true

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:14:39 – 1:14:40

well what part of it isn't true

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:14:41 – 1:14:57

we we were prohibited by law from from producing those documents. You you're this is a judiciary committee. There are laws that did not allow us to produce those documents, which we made plain um in numerous court filings. So when and President Trump had said from day one to release the files, even when he was running.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:14:57 – 1:14:57

Yeah.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:14:58 – 1:15:00

And so, yes, he signed it into law and we complied with it.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:15:00 – 1:15:49

I remember and everyone in the audience remembers the links that the administration went through to delay production of these documents. to the point where Congress did an extraordinary thing, discharge motion in the house, to bring this matter before them and vote on a bipartisan basis to compel your administration to disclose those documents. Let me talk to you for a moment about the survivors who are in the room. There are ten individuals who were exploited and abused by Mister Epstein. They are here today. None of them have had a chance to speak to anyone in the department or FBI, though they've asked repeatedly. So can I get your word under oath that within the next thirty days, you will personally sit down with these ten victims and hear their case in terms of what needs to be done by the Department of Justice?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:15:50 – 1:16:05

I I, Chairman, I ap- appreciate them being here today. I also have somebody from my office, um, who's spent her entire career working on cases like Mr. Epstein's. She's in charge of our task force investigating human trafficking. She's available to talk to them.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:05 – 1:16:07

She can sit right next to you.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:05 – 1:16:06

As soon as today.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:07 – 1:16:10

She can sit right next to you when you meet with these survivors.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:10 – 1:16:13

I am, I have never said I will not meet with survivors.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:13 – 1:16:15

Will you meet with these ten survivors,

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:13 – 1:16:14

I am, so

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:15 – 1:16:17

I'm asking you on the record.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:16 – 1:16:25

If they have lawyers, as you know, I'm prohibited from meeting directly with them. I have met with counsel for survivors, as has many people in the Department of Justice,

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:25 – 1:16:26

So you won't

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:25 – 1:16:35

over thirty. Um, but if they are represented by counsel, we will work with their counsel. If they don't have a lawyer, I will certainly make arrangements to make sure the right. people at the Department of Justice meet with them?

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:35 – 1:16:36

Will you get it done?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:36 – 1:16:36

Absolutely.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:36 – 1:16:39

Will you get it done within the next thirty days that each of these survivors

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:38 – 1:16:47

I will get it done today, if that's necessary. I mean, the my point is there's somebody here who can meet with them today, get their information arranged to meet with them.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:47 – 1:16:48

I think you ought to be in the room.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:16:47 – 1:16:49

Absolutely. Pardon me?

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:16:49 – 1:17:04

I think you ought to be in the room, because you ought to hear this. You had a singular responsibility for these files. Uh, there was a delay in meeting the statutory requirement of disclosure. You were involved in that. I think you ought to be part of this in in today's.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:17:03 – 1:17:06

I am definitely part of it, and I have been from day one.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:17:06 – 1:17:08

And it will be done within the next thirty days?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:17:09 – 1:17:19

I have, I can keep on repeating myself, but I said it could get done as soon as today. It could have gotten done last week. We remain available to meet with any victim or their representative at any time.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:17:20 – 1:17:22

Will you notify the committee when you've done this?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:17:24 – 1:17:28

Um, uh, that would be prohibited by law, if they're talking about an ongoing investigation.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:17:28 – 1:17:31

I'm asking you if you'll notify the committee that you met with the survivor.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:17:31 – 1:17:36

As I said, I'm not sure I'm allowed to notify you um if there's an ongoing investigation.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:17:37 – 1:17:41

Well, you're dancing on the head of a pen here. We you you this is about

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:17:40 – 1:17:42

I'm not dancing on any pin at all.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:17:41 – 1:17:55

You have these survivors who have the courage to come before this committee, have the courage to tell their terrible stories, how they were exploited. Don't you think it's important that we have a prompt response by our government to these survivors?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:17:55 – 1:18:01

Absolutely. And there will be a prompt response. I My heart breaks for every survivor,

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:17:59 – 1:18:02

And you Well

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:18:01 – 1:18:09

every victim of Mister Epstein, absolutely. And I would love to prosecute anybody that did any harm to these victims.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:18:08 – 1:18:10

Will you meet with them within the next thirty days,

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:18:09 – 1:18:10

So absolutely.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:18:10 – 1:18:13

the last time I asked a question, you can say yes or no.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:18:12 – 1:18:19

I can keep on answering it the same way. Um, I can meet with them. My staff will meet with them. We have a staff member here today who specializes.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:18:18 – 1:18:20

If you can meet with them, will you meet with them?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:18:21 – 1:18:24

Um, I'm not sure what you're looking for me to say. As I said,

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:18:24 – 1:18:26

Yes, as we're arguing this.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:18:25 – 1:18:43

um, there are there are there are if they're represented by counsel. I'm not allowed to meet with them directly, as you know. Um, I assure you the FBI, who are experts in this space, prosecutors who are experts in this space, and me if necessary, will absolutely meet with them. I promise you this.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:18:43 – 1:18:44

I think it's necessary.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:18:43 – 1:18:54

I will stay updated and know everything that's happening with any victim, that has information about any of, any other people that work with Epstein, that committed any crimes with Epstein, absolutely.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:18:54 – 1:19:30

Well, if you're truly committed to extraordinary transparency, and you're willing to meet with these victims i hope you will do it immediately or we're gonna hold you to it i wanna ask you about the immunity provisions that you signed uh relative to the uh responsibility and liability of the president and his family and their businesses when it comes to tax audits would you like to explain how we can give to the president and his family and businesses exemptions from complying with the tax laws of the united states

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:19:31 – 1:19:41

it's it's not an exemption to comply with the tax laws of the united states as part of the settlement it was an agreement uh that any past audits would would be would end

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:19:42 – 1:20:03

the united states your signature the united states releases waves acquits and forever discharges each of the plaintiffs when it comes to Tax liability, that's that's how it reads. It's pretty, pretty sweeping. You don't believe that is a discharge forever for my ability?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:20:03 – 1:20:06

Uh of past of of any past filings, yes.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:20:06 – 1:20:27

Alright, it is. How do you explain that to American people, everyone in this room, all of us on this side, we have to follow the tax laws of the United States. And if we don't, we can held, be held responsible for it. To the point of even criminal prosecution. Why did you decide that President Trump and his family and their businesses should be exempt from that same responsibility?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:20:28 – 1:20:59

As part of this, the settlement between the IRS and President Trump and some of his family, two of his sons and and and his organization, um, as is typical when there's a settlement between plaintiffs and um the IRS, part of the settlement included release of of any past audits. it does not give any protection to the president, his family or his organizations, for any taxes they file if they filed it the day after I, the day of that I signed that agreement or the day after, they have no protection.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:20:59 – 1:21:08

No matter what their liability, no matter what their violation of tax law, you signed a document that forever discharged them from any legal responsibility.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:21:09 – 1:21:13

As part of the settlement that we entered into, any past audits were any

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:21:13 – 1:21:16

How often, how often do you think that's been done in the history of the United States?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:21:17 – 1:21:22

involving the president of the united states i'm not sure it's ever been done but this type of settlement is done regularly

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:21:23 – 1:21:35

so you're saying that when it comes to the president of the united states his family and businesses have no responsibility under the tax laws for any wrongdoing prior to the signing of this document

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:21:35 – 1:21:54

no i mean i didn't say that at all i i what i'm saying is that i think president trump and his family are the first president that had their tax returns illegally taken illegally um Um, and and made available to the public. Uh, so that is unique to President Trump, yes. But this type of settlement is not unique, um, to the Department of Justice or the IRS.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:21:55 – 1:22:09

It's hard to explain to the American people that no one is above the law when that type of document was signed by you for ever discharging that family and that president from any liability for violating the tax laws.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:22:09 – 1:22:19

Nobody is above the law. And when we enter into settlements like that we do it with all kinds of people it's not just president trump it doesn't make any of those individuals above the law.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:22:19 – 1:22:42

so let me ask you since uh you don't believe anyone should be above the law about the january sixth rioters pardoned we've taken a look at some of the people that the president pardoned on his first day in office the ones who attacked his capital and i'll use the word attack because i was here and i saw what happened anyone looking at the videos knows what happened on that day among those who were pardoned by the president are individuals

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:22:53 – 1:23:00

i think that this the constitution gives the president the full power to pardon anybody for any reason he wants and so i

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:23:00 – 1:23:00

uh

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:23:00 – 1:23:05

i don't question president trump's authority or his decision to do so on on january twentieth

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:23:04 – 1:23:06

you don't you don't you don't question his decision

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:23:08 – 1:23:24

as i said president trump under our constitution just like president biden has the authority to pardon anybody for any federal crime. And and that's something that every president um that's a privilege every president's afforded. And um, including including President Biden and President Trump.

Sen. Durbin (IL)1:23:24 – 1:23:56

Well, I can tell you, he may have had the authority to do it, but uh, I think someone should have grabbed him by the uh arm and said stop. You can't release all of those rioters. Some of them actually physically assaulted policemen in the capital. Some of them were guilty of crimes. uh serious crimes before that day and for the president to give a blanket pardon to these individuals is something that i don't think you can explain to the american people you certainly can't explain it to the policeman who almost lost their lives because of these attackers i yield mr. chairman

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:23:56 – 1:24:47

before i go to senator cornyn i'd like to enter in the record um for supporting mister blanch nomination from uh former attorney general john ashcroft And this is a quote from the letter. "This rule of law is the best friend of uh liberty to safeguard this core value. America needs an Attorney General exclusively devoted to the rule of law and will honor his oath to the Constitution. Todd Blanch is the right person for that responsibility. His record and credentials undergird My whole hearted support for his nomination without objection, that'll be entered into the record, Senator Cornyn.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:24:49 – 1:26:42

Good morning, Mister Blanch, uh congratulations on your nomination. There's a lot to admire about your record of service to uh to our country, and uh I respect the fact that you wanna continue that service. As d- as the uh Attorney General, as I told you in my office, I think the uh Attorney General has the hardest job in Washington DC because you are a at the same time a member of the President's cabinet, subject to dismissal of whatever the President wants for any reason or no reason at all. But then you will also have a duty as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States. And um, I think it's a very, very difficult balance. And I wanna ask you a little bit about that. particularly in connection with the settlement of the tax uh case there's so much that's unusual about this first of all the fact that the uh tax returns were leaked by a irs contractor charles littlejohn who was appropriately convicted of a crime for doing that president trump uh and his uh his family were uh definitely uh victims of a crime there Um, but it happened back in two thousand and twenty, and the lawsuit wasn't brought until two thousand and twenty-six. So, uh, the, with the two year statute of limitations, uh, it seems to me that, uh, that was something I know that was the subject of pleading, in the, uh, in the complaint, and attempt to avoid the two year statute of limitations, but that struck me as, as unusual. Um, but let's talk a little bit about the, about the, um, settlement agreement and the release. Um, first of all, I believe you have said that the weaponization fund is a moot issue. Is that your position?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:26:42 – 1:26:49

Yes, it is a moot issue, meaning there is no weaponization fund, the weaponization fund is dead, it's not moving forward.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:26:50 – 1:26:56

Well, I would refer you to the uh, settlement agreement. Do you happen to have a copy of that in front of you?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:26:57 – 1:26:58

I, I do not, Senator.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:26:58 – 1:27:00

OK, well you probably know what's, what's in it.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:27:00 – 1:27:01

I'm familiar with it, yes.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:27:01 – 1:27:12

I'm sure you are. On page four, This settlement agreement can be modif maybe modified only upon the written agreement of the parties. Has there been a written agreement of the parties to modify the settlement fund?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:27:13 – 1:27:24

No, it the settlement fund is just not moving forward. There's not there's no modification, it's just it never started, no money went from the treasury to any other account, there's no commissioners, it's not moving forward.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:27:25 – 1:27:37

Well, the so the settlement agreement remains as it was originally, um, but you I hear what you're saying. Um. Is it in, is the settlement agreement enforceable as a contract by the parties?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:27:39 – 1:27:49

Well, yes, it's an enforceable document. So I suppose if, if President Trump's counsel sought to enforce it, um, th- they potentially could. Um, but

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:27:49 – 1:27:51

Including, including the weaponization fund.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:27:52 – 1:28:32

Well, they could try to enforce the, the contract. They can't force the Department of Justice to move forward with the weaponization fund. They could potentially say that, I suppose, that we breached by not moving forward. I'm uh, they haven't done that and I'm I'm I'm not aware that they're planning on doing that. Like I said, Senator, what and and Senator Durbin talked about this, but I've talked extensively with with you and and other colleagues about potentially um um codifying, so there's no weaponization fund, which is certainly something that could be done. And I wasn't meaning to insult the this body, but just in response to questions from senators about whether that could be done. we very much are are are OK with that.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:28:32 – 1:28:52

But just to be clear, the president of the United States, who was a plaintiff in this lawsuit, uh, has not agreed in writing, uh, to delete the weaponization fund, and there's no guarantee that he or one of the other plaintiffs might raise that issue by way of a lawsuit and, uh, a breach of contract lawsuit in the future.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:28:53 – 1:29:17

Well, senator, the the plaintiffs have no power over the fund. The fund was administered solely by the um by by the five commissioners and through the department of justice. So no, they don't have any power with respect to the fund at all. I suppose they could bring a lawsuit, um, and then we would litigate it, but even if we were litigating it, there's no fund. So the results of such litigation, whatever it would be, wouldn't be a revival of the fund.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:29:17 – 1:29:42

I wanna ask you about the release, and I know I'm guilty of what a lot of lawyers are guilty of, in having a a chart you can't read. But I know you're familiar with this document, which is the uh, the release that you signed on May the nineteenth, twenty twenty six. First of all, um, does this purport to release parties or people who were not parties to the lawsuit?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:29:43 – 1:29:44

No, Senator.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:29:45 – 1:30:07

Well, it says here that um "claims asserted by defendants or any of the plaintiffs or related or affiliated individuals, including without limitation family or others filing jointly, or parties including trust, parent, sister, or related companies, affiliates, or subsidiaries, they weren't a party to the lawsuit, were they?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:30:08 – 1:30:21

I didn't hear ev- everything you just said, Senator, but the the the only parties that were um that that had any um release as respect to any potential audits even if they existed were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:30:21 – 1:30:37

Did you Did you talk to the president about uh the settlement? He originally sued for ten billion dollars and settled for an apology and this weaponization fund and then the uh release of future uh liability for tax audits. Did uh did you discuss it with him?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:30:38 – 1:30:46

No. I did not. He had outside counsel. I did not discuss it with his outside counsel either. It was done by other people in the office.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:30:47 – 1:30:51

And the uh This, this was a lawsuit brought

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:30:51 – 1:30:52

Can I, can I qualify that?

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:30:52 – 1:30:52

Sure.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:30:53 – 1:31:07

After, um, when, when we determined not to move forward, um, as, as the president has said, um, that's the only time that he and I had any conversations about this at all, was after, when it was dead, when we said we're not moving forward.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:31:07 – 1:31:31

And this lawsuit was brought against the IRS and treasury, yet this release purports to uh applied to defendants or other agencies or departments. So, does this release apply to, let's say, a a investigation by the Security and Exchange Commission or some other federal agency?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:31:32 – 1:31:55

N- no, that's the standard language that we use when we enter into, um, settlements between plaintiffs and and the IRS. But, no, it doesn't bind, um, it's it's issued by me because statutes require an authorization to do that. Um, as opposed to other, um, cabinet members, and it, in this case it binds only the IRS and by extension the treasury.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:31:55 – 1:32:16

Well, I. I hear what you're saying, but I certainly don't read that in the, in the agreement. But let me, let me turn since I only have a few minutes left. Uh, Senator, uh. Grassley raised the issue of the Mepheprestone uh, lawsuit and just to be clear you, you understand the difference between the morning after pill and Mepheprestone.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:32:18 – 1:32:18

Y- yes.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:32:19 – 1:33:52

And so, Mepheprestone is a, is a chemical abortion that can be administered up to ten weeks of gestation. Um, it, the, uh, length of gestation should be, it's, uh, according to the medical literature, uh, confirmed by ultrasound or clinical assessment by a healthcare provider. And, um, it's generally safe and effective for by according to the literature when used under medical guidance. But the problem is that um President Biden's administration changed the Trump policy and allowed the administration of this abortion, chemical abortion drug, without any medical guidance whatsoever. And um, as you know, I've written a letter, Senator Tillis and I sent a letter uh yesterday. And uh, what I would appreciate, I understand you can't necessarily uh, talk too much about your litigation strategy in the case of Louisiana against FDA. But I would appreciate it if you would respond to this letter, uh, for the record about the intentions of the administration. If President Trump is the most pro-life president, this ought to be a pretty easy call, uh, because women are hurt as a result of, uh, uh, side effects, uh, heavy bleeding, prolonged, uh, potentially infection or sepsis. uh, incomplete abortion, other complications, when this is being sold through the mail or through a online, uh, online, uh, prescription. Uh, will you do that for me?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:33:53 – 1:33:54

Yes, Senator, I will.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:33:58 – 1:34:18

Finally, let me just go back to the, uh, in the fifty seconds I have, go back to this release. This reports to release Lawfare or weaponization and or weaponization. Those aren't legal terms of art, are they?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:34:20 – 1:34:23

I think they are just legal terms of art. They're not, there's not any

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:34:23 – 1:34:25

Have they been defined in any case or any statute?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:34:26 – 1:34:27

Not that I'm aware of, no.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:34:27 – 1:34:30

So, they're not a legal term of art.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:34:31 – 1:34:41

Well, I think that they they, the the terms have been um used by the legal community and by people within government. But no, I don't, I I'm not sure that they're in Black's Law Dictionary,

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:34:41 – 1:34:43

But we don't know what that covers.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:34:41 – 1:34:48

for example. Well, I think it depends on the circumstances of the facts presented as to whether it covers.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:34:49 – 1:34:49

So.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:34:49 – 1:34:50

As to what it covers, sorry.

Sen. Cornyn (TX)1:34:52 – 1:34:54

Thank you, my time's up. Uh, Klobuchar.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:34:54 – 1:35:38

Uh, thank you very much, uh, Mister Chair. Um, Mister Blanch, after both the assassination of Melissa Hortman, our former Speaker of the House, and after the enunciation school shooting in which twenty people uh were gunned down through stained glass windows federal law enforcement as you and i discussed in my office a few weeks ago uh worked cooperatively with state and local and we also know that they've worked together on the important work uh going on in the us attorney's office in minnesota with regard to fraud and the ongoing fraud investigation and i know we have your commitment to continue giving resources for that investigation. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:35:38 – 1:35:40

Yes, absolutely. Yes.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:35:39 – 1:36:40

Thank you. So, um, we also discussed my concern about the lack of cooperation we saw after the horrific killings of Rene Good and Alex Preddy, uh, with the federal government refusing to cooperate with state law enforcement for months, blocking Minnesota investigators from accessing the accessing the scene of Alex's death even though they had a judicial warrant. Um, they also failed to secure, according to news reports, failed to secure and process the scene, failed to process Rene Good's car for evidence. Uh, when we met a few weeks ago, um, at length I asked you to ensure full cooperation and I appreciated that the department shared evidence with state investigators early this week. Will you commit uh to continued information sharing between federal and state investigators in these cases as well as with regard to the recent shootings in texas and maine

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:36:42 – 1:37:20

uh i expect that these investigations should be run as every investigation of similar kinds and so that necessarily includes um working with state and locals in the appropriate way i think that the definition of full cooperation can be disputed, but I very much expect that whether it's the Inspector General or the US Attorney's Office or the FBI or whosoever on the federal side of the investigation, where appropriate to to work with state and locals. Um, I think a lot of the news reporting that you referenced is actually not accurate with what has been happening since the unfortunate events um several months ago.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:37:20 – 1:38:01

OK, but that aside, we've seen these recent shootings in Maine and the reaction to the communities understandably concerned as well as texas um and um i think that this is people are gonna want accountability in these cases and one of the things that doesn't get as much attention is um the non-death cases the monk elder pulled out of his house in minnesota in his underwear and crocs in ten below zero weather and as the nation's chief law enforcement official do you agree that it is unacceptable for federal agents forcibly enter someone's home without a warrant and drag them onto the street without even checking that they have the right person

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:38:02 – 1:38:32

Well, it depends on the circumstances as you just as you know, I mean, yes, obviously law enforcement agents need a warrant to enter a house except for limited exceptions to that. Um, so so, yes, we we very much believe in um the the constitutional protections afforded on American citizens. The same protections are people who are here illegally. So it's not a black and white answer where I can say yes or no. But yes, I very much expect the law to be followed by our law enforcement agents.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:38:32 – 1:38:50

So since the civil war along those lines, federal law has made it clear that the president does not have the authority to deploy armed federal officials to election sites. Uh, will you commit to following clear federal law and not deploying federal agents to polling locations?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:38:51 – 1:38:53

I will commit to following the law center, of course.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:38:53 – 1:38:53

OK,

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:38:53 – 1:38:54

Yes.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:38:53 – 1:38:58

but does that include not deploying federal agents to polling places?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:38:59 – 1:39:03

I will absolutely follow the law, no matter what it includes. So, yes.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:39:04 – 1:39:10

Do you understand why voters, US citizens, are concerned about armed agents at polling places?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:39:11 – 1:39:15

I I'm I'm not aware of armed agents being at polling places. Um,

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:39:15 – 1:39:16

Thank you.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:39:15 – 1:39:19

so I don't I'm not aware of that concern, but I I will tell you,

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:39:21 – 1:40:15

Alright. Uh, the DOJ has carried out a campaign to push states to turn over voters' sensitive and private data to the administration. Thirty states, including Republican-led states like Georgia and West Virginia, have refused. In doing so, the West Virginian Republican secretary of state said, quote, "I will not break the law, give up our state's rights, or compromise the privacy of our citizens." Fifteen federal courts in decisions from Democratic and Republican appointed judges have all found uh that these actions to force um the states uh to turn over this data uh to uh is unlawful. Could you discuss how cutting off anti-terrorism funding to states that refuse something that fifteen federal courts have found to be illegal enhances our national security?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:40:16 – 1:40:44

So those cases are are still being litigated, so I I I can't talk specifically about the the cases that you mentioned. But overall, what I will say, Senator, is that um election integrity is extraordinarily important to this administration. It's important to this body. And so to the extent that the work that we're doing is to make sure that we have fair and honest elections that the only people voting are the people who are eligible to vote, and that they're only voting once. that's that's important.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:40:44 – 1:41:00

OK, if secure election is important, how does stopping the long-standing practice of critical information sharing, and scenario planning between the G DOJ, other federal agencies, and state and local election officials promote election security?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:41:00 – 1:41:01

We're not doing

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:41:00 – 1:41:08

Uh, because we have been we have heard from our own secretary of state that, Steve Simon, that these standard briefings trainings have not happened.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:41:09 – 1:41:16

We we're not doing that. So I'm I i'm not sure what you're referring to but but i'm i'm happy to follow up with your office about that

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:41:11 – 1:41:53

ok you senator ok well thank you appreciate that appreciate that so um you and i uh talked about um some of the antitrust concerns i have the independence of the department i was very concerned by the department's weak settlement of the monopolization suit against live nation ticketmaster um do you believe that this settlement was good for consumers and if so then why didn't there was another case of course that the state attorney general's brought that is going to result in much better protections for consumers why didn't the doj uh join them stay in that suit

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:41:54 – 1:42:05

i share your concerns and and yes i do believe that settlement was good for consumers we um we got a the american people got a lot out of that settlement with live nation and and you talk about another

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:42:21 – 1:42:25

Do the White House have any involvement in that decision?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:42:25 – 1:42:27

In in the decision regarding which case?

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:42:27 – 1:42:29

To settle the Ticketmaster case?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:42:30 – 1:42:33

The, we work at times closely with White House counsel.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:42:45 – 1:43:03

So, OK, are you concerned that former Republican Principal Deputy Assistant, Attorney General Roger Elford, who has appeared before this committee as a Republican witness uh in the past, has said that in your department antitrust cases are being resolved based on political

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:43:06 – 1:43:10

um no his words don't concern me because they're not true

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:43:11 – 1:43:45

well a lot of us disagree on that front so um i wanna turn to some um sort of number of issues involving um security so in the wake of the shooting last year an association catholic school was approved to receive funding through the office for victims of crime for mental health and other support services and i appreciate that the department has worked closely with the enunciation community on this issue um but the delays in the release of these funds are creating budget concerns um could you commit to work with me on getting those funds to the school

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:43:46 – 1:43:47

yes absolutely

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:43:47 – 1:44:05

ok thank you uh the president's most recent budget reduces cops office funding by nearly five hundred million eliminates the stop school violence program that i championed with senator hatch he was the lead on it Um, are you concerned that cutting this funding will impact school safety?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:44:06 – 1:44:22

Um, no, uh, we have we have um, I I understand the question, I fully expect that the grants that that ultimately are included in the the budget that's passed will make sure that we're providing appropriate funds to, to our communities so that they can continue their good work.

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:44:23 – 1:44:44

Um, I've concerns about, and I've heard this from several law enforcement and domestic violence groups, about the do jay plan to consolidate the pops program haida program office and violence against women um and why do you think this will be helpful uh because uh we believe that they have very different functions

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:44:44 – 1:45:12

i agree with you that's not what we're doing there will still be three separate functions what we're doing is consolidating above them to one group so that the application process is is smoother and easier for for grantees to to do their work and also so that internally some of the bureaucracy that was involved in having three separate bureaucratic streams doing the same work even though you're right the underlying programs serve different functions was not efficient so we're we're making that efficient

Sen. Klobuchar (MN)1:45:13 – 1:45:25

and i'll follow up with you with some of the domestic violence grants um and also just wanna mention the continued enforcement under the take it down act that senator cruz and i passed and how important that is going forward

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:45:25 – 1:45:27

uh thank you senator yes

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:45:27 – 1:46:34

before i go to senator kennedy i'd like to read a letter supporting the nominee from the national association of police organizations more than one thousand police organizations and two hundred and fifty thousand law enforcement officers nationwide are represented by this letter quote mr blanche has proven his commitment to the rule of law and a fair and impartial justice system as deputy attorney general and later acting attorney general he has built a strong partisanship uh with the law enforcement uh enforce enforcement community from supporting the department of justice law enforcement assistance grant programs to working to ensure accountability within the public safety officers benefits program he is considered eh uh eh he has consistently endeavored to meet the needs of state and local law enforcement officers and their families end quote without objection will be entered in senator kennedy

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:46:43 – 1:46:53

general i i i assume that you consider yourself to be qualified to be the permanent attorney general is that right

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:46:53 – 1:46:54

yes senator

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:46:55 – 1:47:28

i've read your resume we all have um you don't need to comment on this but it just seems to me that no fair minded person could uh conclude that you're not qualified um you spent a long time with the department spent a long time in private practice so the opposition of my democratic friends must be based on something else um are you and president trump friends

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:47:29 – 1:47:45

i'm his lawyer was his lawyer and now i'm the deputy attorney general so i met him as his criminal defense attorney i'm not sure there's very many people who have ever had a criminal defense attorney who calls that person their friend um i now have a

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:47:45 – 1:47:47

well well let me put it this way are you enemies

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:47:45 – 1:47:50

really No, we're not enemies at all, no.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:47:50 – 1:48:01

Have you ever seen a president of the United States appoint an enemy to be attorney general?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:02 – 1:48:03

N- n- I have not.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:04 – 1:48:08

Um, usually they appoint their qualified friends, don't they?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:10 – 1:48:10

Yes.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:11 – 1:48:14

I mean, one president appointed his brother, right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:15 – 1:48:16

He did, Senator.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:16 – 1:48:21

And I can think of another president who appointed his former law partner. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:21 – 1:48:22

It is correct.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:23 – 1:48:33

OK. Um Are are you responsible for all the president's decisions?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:34 – 1:48:35

No, Senator, I'm not.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:37 – 1:48:45

I mean, does the president get up in the morning and and and give you a call first thing and say, "Todd, tell me what I ought to do today."

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:45 – 1:48:46

He does not.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:47 – 1:48:53

Okay. Does he ever ask your opinion on actions he should take?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:53 – 1:48:54

Yes.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:55 – 1:48:56

You tell him the truth?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:48:57 – 1:48:58

Every time.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:48:59 – 1:49:00

Have you ever disagreed with him?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:49:02 – 1:49:03

Uh, yes.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:49:04 – 1:49:07

And has, have you ever disagreed with him and he did it anyway?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:49:09 – 1:49:09

Yes.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:49:11 – 1:49:18

And did you go call a press conference? And and uh announce that the president made a bad decision?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:49:19 – 1:49:20

N- absolutely not.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:49:20 – 1:49:23

That's not what attorney general attorneys general do.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:49:24 – 1:49:24

Correct.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:49:24 – 1:49:30

Is it? OK. Have has he ever asked you to do anything illegal?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:49:31 – 1:49:31

No.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:49:32 – 1:49:33

Would you do it if he asked you?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:49:33 – 1:49:34

Absolutely not.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:49:36 – 1:49:53

OK. Hmm. How many, how many uh pages of the so-called Epstein files uh has the department released?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:49:54 – 1:49:55

Nearly three million.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:49:57 – 1:50:00

How many more pages are there?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:50:01 – 1:50:03

That are responsive, we're not aware of any.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:50:04 – 1:50:10

How about the in the department's uh opinion are not responsive

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:50:11 – 1:50:17

well from what we collected about three million that were just nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein or or the case at all

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:50:17 – 1:50:21

ok why don't you just release everything just let it rip

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:50:22 – 1:50:35

well that would be against the law because the only reason we could release the three million we did is because of the Epstein transparency act there are federal laws that prohibit the release of of case files um and the Epstein transparency

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:50:41 – 1:51:04

Other than to himself, well first. We we can agree, can we not, that Mister Epstein was a pig? Um, other than to himself. Who, if anyone else, did Mister Epstein traffic? young women too.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:51:05 – 1:52:09

There's, there's, from what we learned, from what we know. So when we know, I mean, what's in the FBI files and what's in the DOJ files, um, we did not identify evidence. And by we, I mean career prosecutors. Not, not me, not my leadership, but career prosecutors in New York and career prosecutors in Florida who worked this case hard, um, did identify other participants. some of whom, as has been discussed, um were also victims themselves of Mister Epstein. But we did not have evidence, um as of now, of other men, um who were, um that that were trafficked, um that Epstein helped traffic. That is does not mean it didn't happen, and I wanna be clear about that. It just means that we have evidence, um that the FBI gathered, and that the Department of Justice gathered, and that's the body of of work that that we have to work with, which is why I said earlier, if there's anybody out there, victim or otherwise, that has information, I beg them to come forward.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:52:10 – 1:52:17

OK. Did uh did Jack Smith read my emails?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:52:19 – 1:52:22

Um, I'm not sure, Senator. I don't know.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:52:22 – 1:52:23

Would you check for me?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:52:24 – 1:52:26

We we will check, Senator, yes.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:52:26 – 1:52:45

Um, I think he read Senator Grassley's emails. How how how did he How how can someone at the Department of Justice get Senator Grassley's emails without probable cause?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:52:46 – 1:52:58

There are checks in place that should make it extraordinarily difficult for a prosecutor to um collect and review a senator's emails or a congressman's emails, or a lawyer's emails, or or

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:53:06 – 1:53:08

But Mister Smith just ignored them?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:53:10 – 1:53:12

I I I cannot speak for Mister Smith, Senator.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:53:15 – 1:53:22

Uh, would you check for me first if he if he read my emails? And number number two, how he got them.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:53:20 – 1:53:20

We will check.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:53:23 – 1:53:57

And number three, let's I don't mean to to single out my friend senator grassley um but but what what emails did he get of senator grassley and and i mean were they what were they limited to if at all you know did he get emails from senator grassley talking about his corn harvest and and all that and who did he share them with do you know if if mister smith shared my emails with with attorney general garvin

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:53:58 – 1:54:00

i i do not i do not know

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:54:00 – 1:54:01

can you check for me

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:54:01 – 1:54:03

we are investigating that center yes

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:54:03 – 1:54:26

yeah i'd i'd kinda like to know all that um now mayor laurie lightfoot sent us she sent the world a letter um suggesting that that we should not confirm you as attorney general who who is Mayor Lauren Lightfoot, just for the record.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:54:27 – 1:54:35

So she's the former mayor of Chicago. Um, I believe she had a brief stint in the Department of Justice prior to uh her political life.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:54:35 – 1:54:44

Right. Um. And and you had some conflicts with her.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:54:45 – 1:54:50

I do not believe she supports our administrative's efforts uh making America safe again.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:54:50 – 1:54:58

OK, right. She thinks cops are a a bigger problem than criminals. Would that be a fair assessment?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:54:59 – 1:55:07

She definitely, her public rhetoric is is not something that either myself or this administration supports, which is to always back our law enforcement.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:55:08 – 1:55:21

She thinks if a cop shoots a criminal, it's automatically the cop's fault. But if a criminal shoots a cop, it's automatically the gun's fault. Would that be a fair assessment of the mayor's position?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:55:21 – 1:55:23

Her public statement suggests that.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:55:23 – 1:55:29

Yeah. Would you put her even in charge of a ham sandwich?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:55:31 – 1:55:35

Uh, I don't believe she should be um any part of this administration.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:55:36 – 1:55:48

Well, the the the the people of Chicago apparently agreed, I think. She she uh she ran for re-election and got sixteen percent of the vote. Is that right? Do you recall?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:55:49 – 1:55:51

I'm not sure what percentage she got, Senator.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:55:51 – 1:56:18

OK. Um. Tell me a little bit, one of the things that that that under your under under your authority the department has concentrated on, which I agree with, uh in addition to to prosecuting crime, is the prosecuting prosecution of of white copper crime, fraud. Tell, tell me a little bit about that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:56:19 – 1:57:36

We, it's incredible since COVID, the um absolute thievery that's happened from the FISC um by by people in this country. And so we have focused tremendous amount of efforts, not only in the new division, but at every US attorney's office, with every inspector general, um and their offices, the FBI, DHS and HSI, to just root out this fraud. You have examples of of rampant, of individuals just stealing. So setting up entire um centers for autism, when there are no patients, when there is no center, and taking millions of dollars of of of hard-earned taxpayers' money. And so we are very focused on that. We've already, like I said earlier, billions and billions we've already collected in just the past couple of months. That effort is going to go forward for as long as I am in the position that I'm in now no matter whether I'm confirmed or not. And um and it's extraordinarily important to every American that this doesn't happen, because we're not talking about um whether someone agrees or disagrees with a policy. It's just outright theft um by by individuals and and and unfortunately many state governments um um if if they if they didn't absolutely know what was happening and just encourage it, they certainly stood idly by while it was happening, which is also a problem.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:57:36 – 1:57:39

OK. Don't don't forget to check on my emails for me.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:57:40 – 1:57:40

Senator, yes.

Sen. Kennedy (LA)1:57:40 – 1:57:41

Thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:57:42 – 1:57:43

Senator Whitehouse.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:57:44 – 1:57:45

Morning, Mr. Blanch.

Sen. Grassley (IA)1:57:45 – 1:57:45

Good morning.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:57:46 – 1:57:58

Why won't you tell us what became of the fifty thousand dollars in confidential money that the FBI reported that it gave to Tom Holman?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:57:59 – 1:58:07

I'm I'm not aware of what you're speaking about. Uh, if to the extent that there have been public reporting about um an investigation, I know nothing about it.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:58:08 – 1:58:23

Well, the public reporting is that the FBI reported giving fifty thousand dollars in the nature of a bribe to Tom Homan, and there's been no report of what became of that fifty thousand dollars. Will you answer that question? Not now, but will you answer that question?

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:58:21 – 1:58:21

I

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:58:23 – 1:58:26

Because we've been asking him for a long time now. Your department certainly knows what's happening.

Todd Blanche (Witness)1:58:26 – 1:58:28

I'm, I'm not aware that that's true.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)1:58:30 – 2:02:05

Well, take a look at it. And it's publicly reported. And the FBI reported it. And you should answer the question. That's not the only one. Here's a list of unanswered questions that I have just asked. I don't know how it is that the chairman thinks that you've cooperated uh with the committee, or that you've been transparent with the committee. That is not my experience. You said earlier that you welcome our questions. Great. Answer our questions. That's the real point. where we've failed to get answers to our oversight questions, we've actually had to revert to the Freedom of Information Act, the general law of government transparency, to try to get answers from the Department of Justice. Here's how we did. Not well. We have this stack of questions that you haven't answered in the nature of oversight, We have this stack of FOIA requests that you haven't answered. And I think it's important for us to believe that you actually take seriously your constitutional oversight responsibilities in order to confirm you. That you actually take seriously your obligations to this committee, irrespective of party, majority or minority, in order to confirm you. So I will ask before we get to a vote on this, that you take a look at these and get us answers. Where we have had answers, Mister Blanch, they have not been informative. They have been blow-offs. So, let's move on to, um, Trump versus IRS. Um, our research indicates that senior DOJ officials have never in the history of the department before faced a judicial inquiry into a fraud on the court participated in by the Department of Justice. That was the inquiry opened in Florida. The question about fraud on the court committed by the Department of Justice remains open in the judge's decision. Here's what she did find. She found that the Department of Justice colluded, with the Trump plaintiffs, that the Department of Justice violated DOJ policies in that collusion, that department attorneys were derelict in their responsibilities as DOJ attorneys, that the department failed to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States of America, its true client, and, as I said, the Fraud on the Court question remains open, an unprecedented allegation about the department. As a result of that, the order was transmitted to the New York State Bar for potential disciplinary proceedings. I would like to ask, in addition, since this is new news, the decision was what, two days ago? I would like to ask that you say to us that you will be willing to provide all of the documents and communications between the Department of Justice and the Trump plaintiffs in that matter.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:02:07 – 2:02:22

I'm, I'm not aware of any communications. I didn't have any. Um, so if you put a request in, we'll, we'll look at it. I mean, obviously that's active, continued litigation, um, in, in the Southern District of Florida. Um, so, it, it depends on.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:02:21 – 2:02:27

Explain, explain how it is active, continued litigation in the District of Florida.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:02:27 – 2:02:38

Well, there's been several indications that the parties of uh, I never entered notice of appearance, but that the parties intend to um appeal the judge's Monday fifty six page decision.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:02:42 – 2:02:45

Well, it'll be interesting. Do you intend to appeal, the Department of Justice?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:02:47 – 2:02:56

We weren't really even part of that decision. So to the extent there's something that we we can appeal, I I very vigorously will encourage the department to do so.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:02:56 – 2:05:35

Well, here's the tell. In that case, the Department of Justice filed no answer, filed no agreement with respect to the extension of time, filed no response to the case or controversy amici, filed nothing related to the withdrawal of the complaint, filed no settlement, and filed no response to the fraud on the court inquiry. To me, as a one-time litigator, that looks like really weird behavior. And when for the first time in history there's inquiry into fraud upon the court committed by the Department of Justice, the silence from the department in response to that is deafening, Mister Blanch. Deafening. And it strikes me that the stratagem here was to file no pleadings, to try to keep the department out of the authority of the court, when what the department knew to be a collusive and false enterprise, was blown up in that court. Now it didn't work, because the court found collusion, and it takes two to collude. And they also went on and made the other adverse findings about the department's conduct. And the problem here, Mister Blanch, is that it's not just that one occasion between judges appointed by every president harshly criticizing the department's work in your tenure, grand juries rejecting indictments, judicial findings of outright misconduct, capable lawyers fleeing the stinking ship. This seems to be the most troubled department of justice in history. Here are some of the misconduct findings against your US attorneys, and cuz I haven't put it up yet, here's a word cloud of the commentary by federal judges about the conduct of your DOJ. These are red flag words that when I was a US attorney would have provoked, at minimum, an internal conversation about what the hell went wrong, and very likely a conversation with OPR and maybe OPR pursuit. Words like " pretext" mean a lot, coming from a judge, about a government argument. usually enjoying the presumption of regularity. We need answers. I need you to be able to tell me that this kind of misconduct is gonna stop if you're confirmed as Attorney General. Can you say that?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:05:36 – 2:06:13

The Department of Justice um works hard, the prosecutors work hard every day, and I appreciate the the hand-picked words that you have behind you right now, but that's not reflective of the hundred thousand um indictments and informations that have been filed to do the work that I talked about earlier today. And so while cherry picking a few isolated words from district court or magistrate judges in certain um districts is something that you're entitled to do, it's absolutely false to suggest that this department of justice is not executing as we should in doing the right thing every single day.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:06:13 – 2:06:56

I will tell you that you are wrong. That in the history of the department, this kind of criticism by federal judges is unprecedented, and it comes from judges of every different political persuasion. Um, let me ask about the um FBI. How long do you intend to put up with that Kash Patel character? Are you good with his airplane, John, so you're confident he's not drinking on the job? Are you sure none of his travel is a pretext for vacation activities like, snorkeling olympics and visiting girlfriends. Are you sure he knows what he's doing? Do you vouch for him? Are you willing to look at whether he lied to this committee?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:06:56 – 2:07:05

That's an extraordinarily obnoxious question, Senator, and I have full faith in Director Patel and the work that he's doing every day,

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:07:05 – 2:07:06

Great, you get to own that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:07:05 – 2:07:06

and and the.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:07:08 – 2:08:08

One last thing, if I may. Um. You have refused to exclude January six rioters from your anti-weaponization fund. You have refused to put in writing that the slush fund is dead. Indeed, you signal to allies that payouts are still on track. You have vacated seditious conspiracy convictions against members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. You hired January sixth writer, Jared Wise, who had urged the mob to kill police officers. You scrubbed press releases about January sixth prosecutions, and called the releases partisan propaganda. You denied that Trump encouraged any violence on january sixth you've cleaned house of every attorney who worked on a case related to trump and you've bragged that bringing justice for violent rioters meant that everyone of them was either pardoned or had their sentence commuted i hope that our colleagues who are concerned about what happened on january sixth take that into account thank you

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:08:09 – 2:08:10

would you like to respond

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:08:10 – 2:09:15

uh i would almost everything the senator just said um and and he's protected he's allowed to lie But almost everything he just said was absolutely false, okay. Starting with the fact that I have never, I have never said that any sort of violence against law enforcement is appropriate. I have never said that publicly. I have never said that in a speech, and I certainly do not believe it. I did not hire the person referenced. Um, and that, so that is again, something that just happens not to be true. When I talk about, um, what happened with the January, the convicted January sixth defendants, I talk about what President Trump did. He had the absolute right to pardon anybody for any reason he sees fit. And every one of them got pardoned or commuted. I am not celebrating that. It is a fact. And the fact that my department had to take action in response to those pardons by dismissing some cases is exactly what I have to do under the law, and it's what I did. So that the narrative that that the senator just suggested and put on me as something I believe is is is absolutely not true.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:09:16 – 2:09:16

Uh

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:09:16 – 2:09:32

Since he accused me of lying personally, Mister Chairman, let me uh ask that I put this series of concerns into a question for the record and that you under oath, one by one, tell me where there's a lie.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:09:32 – 2:09:33

I'm happy to do that.

Sen. Whitehouse (RI)2:09:32 – 2:09:33

OK? We'll get that to you.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:09:33 – 2:09:36

I'm happy to do that. Absolutely.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:09:37 – 2:10:26

Uh, before I go to Senator Blackburn, since oversight was brought up and responsiveness to of your department i'd like to speak about how it was with the biden justice department's non-responsiveness to my oversight letters if the biden justice department would have uh been remotely responsive uh there wouldn't be such a backlog right now so let's not pretend for a minute the last administration was a benchmark of responsiveness and this administration to its credit has been more responsive i talked about in my opening statement forty three thousand pages of documents that you have released compared to a lot less in the previous administration senator blackburn

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:10:27 – 2:13:56

thank you mister chairman thank you for being with us today before i get to my questions i would like to make you aware that when uh, ranking member Durbin was chairman. In the last Congress, I tried repeatedly to subpoena the Epstein files so that we could get those banking records and those flight logs and repeatedly that was blocked. So the Democrats at that point didn't want to know what was in the Epstein files, until they lost the majority, and then they were hell-bent. to get that. I also want to make certain that we get on the record that you and that DOJ has met with the following list of attorneys who represent victims, including many who have claimed that they've never had a meeting with DOJ. Now, here is this list. Segrid McCauley, Jordan Merson, Gloria Allred, Eric Fidai, Alan Goldfarb, Daniel Kaiser, Miriam Wang, Miriam Meyer Wang, Glenn Neck, Adam Horowitz, Jack Skerola, Dennis Arte, Kevin Mentzer, Jill Greenfield, Julie Keys, David H. Brody, Robert Glassman, Kate Eldoniger, Andrew Villacastin, Brittany Henderson, Brad Edwards, Avren Robin, Neil Binder, David Flesig, Roberta Kaplan, Tasha Thompson, for the record. Uh, I do want to talk with you a little bit about Memphis and the Memphis Safe Task Force. We are so grateful. When you talk about a success, the work that has been done in Memphis in fighting crime, this is going to be a big part of President Trump's legacy in his commitment to Memphis. The commitment that uh has been made by his administration is something that Miffians and all West Tennesseans are incredibly grateful for. And this is something uh with President Trump, with Kash Patel, we started saying, " Please help us." And that call was answered. I brought the crime stats. Uh, we get the daily report. from Memphis. Eleven thousand forty arrests have been made. And yesterday there were forty arrests. These included someone charged with second degree murder, another with first degree murder, uh, aggravated child abuse, attempted rape, and aggravated assault. There have been nearly two thousand firearms that have been seized, and there have been a hundred and fifty-five children that have been The stats here tell the story. You, President, Director Patel, and the agencies that are there working with our governor, state agencies, the Memphis Mayor, the Memphis Police Chiefs, this is the way to fight crime. And we are ever so grateful. And we want to be able to sustain and build on that. And I'd like for you to talk just

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:14:14 – 2:15:28

Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator. What we have done, and by we, I don't mean the Department of Justice alone, I mean state and local partners, the National Guard, um, the, all of our federal agencies, DHS, in Memphis should be a a poster child for a lot of cities in this country. You you have a city that that had skyrocketing crime and restaurants that were out of business storefronts that that didn't exist they were boarded up and and we came together. And you're right, it was President Trump working with with you, working with the governor, working with our our partners and said, " We're gonna fix this. We're gonna, just like we did in DC, we're gonna go into this city and we're gonna arrest", I mean, amazingly, a very small percentage of your, Memphis' population was committing a very large percentage of the crimes. And so if you can focus on that small percentage, you're you're actually able to bring the crime stats down remarkably, which is exactly what we did. As far as what happens going forward, we keep on doing it. Um, Memphis, there's restaurants opening in Memphis, there's stores opening in Memphis, there's, the, it's a, it's a new city compared to where it was one year ago. And that's something that we can't let up on and, and, but again, I look at it as a poster child of what we should do in in cities across this country.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:15:28 – 2:15:39

And we are pleased to know that you all are doing a model city program at DOJ, in order to help with public safety in other areas.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:15:39 – 2:15:56

Yes, and that's not just for Memphis, but for um several cities around the country where we are going to give, put money where our mouth is, and put, put a lot of resources into the cities to to help make sure that cities that that need to be safer are safer, and if they're they're on the right track, that they have the resources they need to to keep doing it.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:15:57 – 2:16:38

When you were in the office, we talked about my carjacking bill, uh that would lower the intent standard to a general, knowingly requirement, giving uh the prosecutors, federal prosecutors, more tools so that they could hold some of these violent carjackers accountable. We thought it was going to move with the NDAIA and uh Leader Schumer has blocked that, and we're disappointed it's a bipartisan bill. Uh but uh talk about the importance of lowering that statute, so that we can prosecute these crimes.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:16:38 – 2:17:26

Yes, it's a, it's, it needs to be done, because they're, carjacking not only in Tennessee but um at every city in this country has, has gotten out of hand. The criminals are better at it. then they that they have tools that make it easier to get into cars, they're willing to exact violence, and so the standard that exists now under the statute, but also because of of certain cases, um, make it higher than than a regular general intent crime, and law enforcement and prosecutors will do the right thing. So we need to be empowered with tools to to prosecute these cases, and if there's cases where somebody was in the car and didn't know, prosecutors are not gonna move forward. They'll do the right thing, but But it shouldn't be the law that that that puts the the the damper on that. And so I'm hopeful that we can continue to work together on that and that um because it is very important.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:17:28 – 2:18:16

There was a deeply disappointing decision from the court in the Trump versus Barbara case, that it's uh clear that Congress and the we're going to have to step up and do something about birthright citizenship. And this is our opening. We know that birth birthright tourism is something that is taking place in our country. We know that during the first Trump administration there was a good bit of evidence on this, I've had a banned birthright tourism bill that would block these thirty-three thousand births a year from people who are circumventing our our laws and coming here simply for the purpose of giving birth. It's primarily the Chinese

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:18:15 – 2:18:15

Mm-hmm.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:18:16 – 2:18:51

And it is, uh, also the Russian oligarchs that are exploiting this. And my bill would make coming here to give birth inadmissible as a, uh, as a way to obtain a visa and deportable, immediately deportable, uh, as an offense. And touch on why Congress needs to act. and give the administration more tools to enforce this.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:18:52 – 2:19:41

Yes. So the very day or the day after the decision came out, the Department of Justice issued a directive to prosecutors to focus on um the conduct you're describing using existing laws and tools that we have, which is mostly around false statements of of fraudulent information in the visa application process. We're gonna do that. And and that's that's pretty much um uh we are limited in in how we can prosecute um folks that are coming here for for lying about why they're coming here, coming here just to give birth, and also the organizations that are facilitating that. Um any congressional statutory adjustment um the the spring court opinions relied in part on the statutory part of this um that that would control would give us more tools and and would give the president more tools to to keep out people who are absolutely not coming for the right reason only coming to give birth.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:19:42 – 2:20:56

And you're doing a great job on fraud. And going after fraud that has been committed, uh, the Fraud Task Force seems to be working well. And from Tennesseans, I hear a good bit about this. They want the fraudulent activity to stop. It's taxpayer money. And they want their money to be used ri- wisely. Um, we have had legislation that would apply to uh individuals that have come into the country either illegally or maybe they've been naturalized citizens uh but the Fraud Accountability Act would push for that deportation and denaturalization if they have been found to be defrauding individuals or local state or federal government. I'm over time, and I'll ask you for this in writing since I'm over my time. But I'd like to hear from you why it is important to put more tools in that toolbox for you all to go after these individuals that are defrauding the US taxpayer.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:20:56 – 2:20:56

Mm-hmm.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:20:57 – 2:20:58

Thank you, Mister Chairman.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:20:58 – 2:20:58

Thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:20:59 – 2:21:04

Before I call on Senator Coons, Senator Durbin would like to speak for a short time.

Sen. Durbin (IL)2:21:05 – 2:21:49

Very sure. Thank you, Mister Chairman. based on the statements just made by the senator from tennessee we've checked the transcript of the committee during the november thirtieth twenty twenty three supreme court ethics subpoena authorization mark up i chaired and attempted to recognize senator blackburn multiple times so that she could offer amendment regarding epstein's flat logs but her republican colleagues prevented her from doing so by filibustering and then invoking the senate rule on two hours to end the mark up Many Epstein records, including flight logs, have been public for years. My staff subsequently reached out to Senator Blackburn to work to identify which records she actually wanted and still believes had not been made public. To this day, she's never responded.

Sen. Blackburn (TN)2:21:50 – 2:22:05

Uh, Mister Chairman, um, uh, since he mentioned my name, I have previously, and will continue, there is video, there is a transcript, and Mister Blanch, I'll be happy to forward that to you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:22:07 – 2:22:07

Senator Coons.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:22:08 – 2:22:31

Uh, thank you, Mister Chairman, Ranking Member. Um, Acting Attorney General Blanche, thank you for your service and for appearing here, and thank you to your family, uh, and to the men and women of the Department of Justice who work tirelessly to, uh, fight crime and to make our nation secure. I'm grateful for their service. Uh, I'm sorry that your schedule apparently didn't permit us to meet before this confirmation hearing, but I, uh, hope and expect we'll find time to meet, uh, soon after today.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:22:31 – 2:22:32

Uh, absolutely.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:22:33 – 2:24:02

Thank you. As I consider your nomination, like all other nominations to similar cabinet positions, I need to know you're qualified to serve, you demonstrably are, that you have the policy views to serve well, we will discuss that today. And most importantly in this role, um, that you have the independence, uh, to serve as the Attorney General, uh, for the American people. And that last question has troubled me the most. You're in charge of a Department of Justice I don't recognize, uh, prosecuting the President's political enemies. Firing rank and file prosecutors and FBI agents because of the cases they were assigned to. Slashing grants for law enforcement and public safety. These are some actions that in your previous confirmation hearing before us, you said you would not take. Now, I appreciate your statement walking back the one point eight billion dollar weaponization fund, uh, that you created, but I question how it got that far and we'll get into that. Um, you sat in appropriations hearing earlier this year for me and defended it at that time. In fact, I, if I remember correctly, you told me I was wrong for criticizing it. But following questions by Senators Durbin and Cornyn, I'm concerned it's not dead yet, and I think we should talk that through. Overall, this is not what I believe the American people expect or deserve from the Department of Justice. Having spent critical parts of January sixth in this room, taking shelter from the mob, um, I just found it open with some questions. How many people were convicted of assaulting law enforcement officers on January sixth?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:24:04 – 2:24:12

I believe around a hundred and twenty, um, approximately, but I could be off a few more if you if you want.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:24:11 – 2:24:20

Y- y- you are. Um, the answer is more than two hundred. And how many of those individuals had their sentences commuted or were pardoned by President Trump?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:24:20 – 2:24:25

President Trump either commuted or pardoned every defendant from the January sixth events.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:24:25 – 2:24:39

That's correct. And in this room right now, and outside this room, are Capitol Police officers protecting us in this hearing room. Um, how many of them do you think might have friends or colleagues, um, who were attacked by supporters of the president on January sixth?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:24:40 – 2:24:50

I I don't know the numbers, but I'm sure many of the Capitol Police officers who are here today worked, either were working on January sixth or or knew people who were.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:24:50 – 2:25:42

Uh, I'll just say that, um, I considered a shameful slap in the face of the men and women of law enforcement. for those convicted of assaulting police officers to have been pardoned. I know you were not serving as Deputy Attorney General when President Trump pardoned those folks. But you said just a few moments ago that you were not celebrating this decision by the President. He was exercising his constitutional power. But earlier this year in front of CPAC, a conservative uh event, um I would say from the transcript you actually trumpeted it as an achievement. And I quote, saying, " If you look at what happened to the men and women convicted because of January sixth, by five p m on January twentieth, every one of them was either pardoned or had their sentence commuted by President Trump. So when folks say, " You've done nothing." I say you have a very short memory. Would you say that you are proud of President Trump's decision to pardon individuals who assaulted law enforcement?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:25:42 – 2:26:07

No, that's not what I was saying there at all, Senator. So, I was responding to inquiries around why more hadn't been done by the Department of Justice with respect to January sixth defendants. And so my answer was that they, January sixth defendants and and some of their lawyers had a short memory, because a lot had already been done indeed by the end of the day on January twentieth. They had all been pardoned or commuted.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:26:06 – 2:26:06

Uh, I

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:26:07 – 2:26:20

So I wasn't celebrating it, I was merely stating a fact, which is that the January sixth defendants did receive a a very generous um pardon or commutation from President Trump, every one of them on January twentieth.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:26:19 – 2:26:37

A a generous, and in my view, for those who had assaulted police officers, unwarranted, unjustified, ahistorical, uh, and a terrible precedent. Let me move on to questions I've asked in previous hearings. Is President Trump, just as a simple matter of constitutional law, eligible to run for another term as president in twenty twenty eight?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:26:37 – 2:26:39

I don't believe he is, no.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:26:39 – 2:26:54

Um, that is a correct, in my view, reading of the plain language of the twenty second amendment. Um, why do you think several of the judicial nominees of this administration have refused repeatedly to answer that question simply and clearly as you just did when I put it to them.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:26:55 – 2:26:58

I have no idea why they answer questions the way they do.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:26:57 – 2:26:58

Me neither.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:26:58 – 2:26:59

I mean, I mean,

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:26:58 – 2:26:59

It was confounding.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:26:59 – 2:27:02

you're asking me to speculate about something I I I don't know.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:27:02 – 2:27:06

Is the Department of Justice that you are running independent from the White House?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:27:07 – 2:27:37

The Department of Justice, like every single department in the executive, is part of the executive. I mean, Article Two of the Constitution, um, gives the power of the executive to President Trump. So we certainly operate with integrity. We certainly operate in a in a the the single mindset to serve the American people and do the right thing. Um, but but I am a member if confirmed. Um, I will be a member of of the cabinet. I'm serving in the acting capacity that way now, just like the other cabinet members, and President Trump can fire me um whenever he wants.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:27:35 – 2:27:35

Has he?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:27:37 – 2:27:37

So

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:27:38 – 2:27:40

Um, do you have a sense why he fired your predecessor?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:27:41 – 2:27:43

I have no idea. I mean,

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:27:43 – 2:27:43

Uh.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:27:43 – 2:27:48

President Trump, we we all serve at the pleasure of President Trump in in this administration, and and and

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:27:47 – 2:27:56

Did President Trump ever post on Truth Social, your predecessor to get at it, to prosecute his perceived political enemies?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:27:56 – 2:27:59

I I don't think those were his exact words, but you did.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:27:58 – 2:28:00

Those were not his exact words,

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:27:59 – 2:28:00

No, but I I uh

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:28:00 – 2:28:22

but clearly that was the intention. Um, it is my impression, sir, that you are here rather than your predecessor because the president was unhappy with her failures to actually secure convictions of folks like Attorney General Tish James or former FBI Director Jim Comey. If you're confirmed and you're asked to take an action you believe to be illegal or unethical, would you resign?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:28:22 – 2:28:27

I'm, I, that will never happen, but yes, if it were to happen, I'm not gonna violate my oath to the constitution.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:28:28 – 2:28:42

I appreciate that answer. Um, you did answer a question by a colleague about input that you gave uh to the president. Did you ever say no to the president on the slush fund, the anti-weaponization fund? Did you advise him against this?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:28:43 – 2:29:06

Um, I am not, will not talk about communications I have with the president. I, served as his lawyer for a couple of years before he was elected i'm the deputy attorney general and the acting attorney general so i'm not gonna talk about communications um that that i have with him but senator i will say that um president trump trusts me to give him counsel um counsel does not mean an yes man and

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:29:05 – 2:29:05

i recognize that

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:29:06 – 2:29:10

and so that's and that's true in my case like it should be in any attorney's general's case

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:29:09 – 2:30:15

so let me just for a minute bear down on the anti-weaponization fund you've testified to the house we are not moving forward with that fund period But you've repeatedly refused to put that commitment in writing or to submit a declaration to the court. You're an officer of the court, a member of the bar. You should be able to make that assertion in a court filing or even in a letter submitted to this body. On May nineteenth, you testified before the CJA, the Justice Appropriations Subcommittee. Since the case had been dismissed, there was no judge and no mechanism for judicial review. But in an opinion this week, a federal judge wrote, and I'm quoting, that your testimony was at best misleading, explaining the court remained available to review this agreement had you sought relief. Why not seek review of the settlement agreement or submit some record, some writing, given that the president continues to publicly champion this weaponization fund and given your previous answer to me in another hearing, that you wouldn't say whether or not those who assaulted cops on January sixth would be eligible for multimillion dollar payouts.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:30:16 – 2:30:19

So there's a lot of questions there. First of all, we have put it in writing.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:30:18 – 2:30:18

Indeed.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:30:20 – 2:30:58

It's in repeated court filings in EDVA and um and DC. So this narrative that you won't put it in writing happens not to be true. The reason why neither myself nor Secretary Besant agreed to put a declaration in is because there's long-standing precedent that judges cannot ask cabinet secretaries or people like me to put in declarations. It has nothing to do with the that whether the fund is alive. I'm under oath today and I've said it's dead repeatedly. Um, I uh uh said it to the house oversight committee, um, and and I I'm happy to say as many times as necessary. Um, uh, as far as what the the judge said in Florida,

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:30:57 – 2:30:57

Thank you.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:30:58 – 2:31:09

just the last question you asked about Florida, um, did that judge disagreed with what I said? I still believe the eleventh circuit precedent which I've studied. Um, I am right. So we'll see.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:31:09 – 2:31:41

Thank you. Y- you did say earlier this is the most transparent department of justice in american history. We have nothing to hide and you started by saying we're here um to rebuild trust. Two decisions or two OLC opinions I'm very interested in. I'm the senior democrat on defense and intelligence of probes I'm the most senior member of the foreign relations committee on my side who's currently serving on this committee. Um I'm curious as to why the most transparent department has refused to release the OLC opinion that justifies the sixty-six strikes the military's

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:31:53 – 2:32:16

Well, Senator, we made the head of OLC available on multiple occasions to explain that to to you and other members of the committee. Um, and that that is extraordinarily transparent and unprecedented, uh, that that we've done that. Whether an OLC opinion is is released is there's a lot of of process that goes into that, but the idea that we were not transparent about our legal basis there is absolutely not true.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:32:16 – 2:32:51

OK. Another chance to be transparent. Um, the FISA court in March um certified your section O section seven O two proceedings, but found compliance deficiencies. Um, this is an important power of the federal government that will soon be up again for a vote, and you have not declassified that opinion. Senators Cotton and Warner, Republican and Democrat leads on intelligence, In April, wrote the administration saying that they expected declassification of this March opinion within two weeks, yet it remains classified. You have a bipartisan request from the leadership of Intel. Will you declassify it or make it available to us?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:32:52 – 2:32:59

Um, we're we'll we'll continue to look at that, I agree with you that that's a very important issue and and we need seven O two um reauthorized.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:32:59 – 2:33:02

Thank you. Last question, if I could. The Safer,

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:33:01 – 2:33:02

Okay.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:33:02 – 2:33:22

the Safer Supervision Act is cosponsored by Senators Lee, Cornyn, Tillis and Lankford. And it gives a path forward to making sure that federal probation and parole is more effective. We've discussed it before. Will you meet with me to talk about ways that this important criminal justice reform supported by federal law enforcement could move forward?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:33:23 – 2:33:25

I think that that effort i-

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:33:24 – 2:33:26

Please give a short answer to that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:33:26 – 2:33:30

I think it's, yes. Abs- I very much agree with what you're trying to do there, Senator.

Sen. Schiff (CA)2:33:30 – 2:33:30

Thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:33:31 – 2:34:37

Before I call on uh, Senator Schmidt, and after Schmidt uh gets done speak uh questioning uh we're going to take a fifteen minute break and that fifteen minute break starts when you leave the chair and be back in at the fifteenth minute before then i'd like to enter in the record uh for your supporting your nomination from three hundred and eighty two thousand members of the national fraternal peace fraternal order of peace the letter emphasized mister blanchard's distinguished record of public service and his commitment to work closely with law enforcement across the nation. The letter states quote, " We believe Senator, Mister Blanchett's leadership will help ensure that the Department of Justice remains focused on public safety, the rule of law, and providing unwavering support for the law enforcement professionals who risk their lives daily to protect our families End of quote, without objection, it'll be entered. Senator Schmidt.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:34:38 – 2:36:57

Thank you, Mister Chairman, um, Mister Blanch, welcome. Um, you are, you're entering this arena in this confirmation hearing as the nation's Chief Law Enforcement Officer at a very interesting time in our country's history, where the folks on the other side of the dais, the Democrats, in my view have just taken it all out of salt on the men and women of this country, who serve in a law. We just, a couple of months ago, got through a government shutdown where I was on the Senate floor listening to things that I never heard, certainly an elected official say, in characterizing the men and women who serve this country to enforce its laws, calling them the Gestapo, President Trump's secret police, uh, masked mercenaries. This is insane. These calls to defund ICE, This hammer and sickle wave that came through New York just a few weeks ago, that's now dominating the discussion on the other side of the aisle. The central plank, of course, is defunding the police, assaulting, overthrowing Western civilization. This is not your grandfather's Democrat party, and you're you're fielding questions, um, that I think are totally unfair, but it's all meant, I think, to undermine and demoralize. I saw it in my time as uh Attorney General in Missouri, where we had a Soros-funded prosecutor who refused to prosecute crime. Uh, and police officers, many retired early. Um, fewer came into the ranks, uh, to protect and serve. And so, uh, you're coming at an important time, I think President Trump, like he has with the military, has inspired um, the men and women on the front lines to serve. Um, you're helping, I think, restore that with your focus on violent crime, your focus on fraud. Um, I heard one of my colleagues say that this is the most troubled Department of Justice in history. I, I uh, I happened to live through the previous administration, where you had a Department of Justice completely weaponized against political opponents. They tried to, tried to throw their chief political opponent in jail, ruin his family's lives. You were, his lawyer to see some of that and was with you in a courtroom in New York, to witness that defense in one of those cases.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:36:56 – 2:36:56

Yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:36:58 – 2:40:27

um, were aimed against Catholics in this country who happened to attend a traditional Catholic Latin Mass. Went after parents under the Patriot Act for showing up to school board meetings to object to critical race theory, or the masking of their kids. We lived through Jack Smith, and the chairman has just revealed new revelations of course, that he was reading text messages. By the way, Jack Smith testified Under oath, he didn't do that. He testified that they just had the phone logs. We know that's not true now. Jack Smith should be subject to prosecution for lying to Congress. So this weaponization, let's draw a distinction. When you go after your political opponents, that is a weaponization. When you hold people accountable who weaponize the justice system, that's not the same thing. So you have a very important job. I wanna highlight uh a few things that you've done uh in your in your time as as as Acting Attorney General, hopefully as Attorney General you're confirmed. You created the National Fraud Enforcement Division. I think this is very, very important. I think it's the tip of the iceberg, what we're seeing in Minneapolis, uh in California and places that that I think the work will continue. Carried out the the largest healthcare fraud takedown in department history. Expanded the fight against Medicaid fraud after the ninety million dollar Minnesota uh fraud take-down. You secured six fraud convictions involving more than one point one billion in less than three weeks. Cleared the backlog of immigration cases, allowing for deportations, more deportations. You filed a historic number of denaturalization cases. You secured major anti-DEI wins against IBM and PayPal. Uh, you ended the EEOC's racist disparate impact regime. You secured four hundred and fifty years of prison time for Antifa members involved in the terrorist attacks against ICE. You prosecuted the Southern Poverty Law Center for secretly funneling millions of dollars to the KKK and neo-Nazis. Um, that's a pretty, that's a hell of a record in a hundred days. Um. But, uh, more work continues. I wanna talk about a few things that I'd like to, and I'm gonna allow you to answer, um, to, to focus on. Um, first, I think we have to break this sanctuary city scam, the system. To, to the, to the people watching or listening at home, what is a sanctuary jurisdiction? Here's what it means. It means that if you are a criminal child rapist, and you're here illegally, and you've been released from prison, they will not tell federal immigration authorities that you're being, that that person is being released. They would rather have that individual, that monster, released into the community than be deported. That's how sick this regime is. And so, um, we were able to secure in the ICE funding, I was able to secure in the ICE funding, three hundred and fifty million dollars. to clean up this mess to allow ice in those sanctuary jurisdictions to actually carry out those deportations sanctuary cities be damned um will you use every tool that you have in your toolbox to go after these sanctuary jurisdictions

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:40:27 – 2:40:59

uh i mean absolutely you just hit the nail on the on the head when you described one example but there are thousands of examples of our law enforcement agents being put at risk because instead of going into a jail to arrest somebody or take somebody who's here illegally even with a final order of deportation, that individual gets released in the community, and it puts everybody in the community at risk, it puts law enforcement at risk, it's not consistent with the law. And so, yes, I definitely pledge to you that we will do everything uh that we can at the department to to to combat that.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:40:59 – 2:41:34

The second one is to crush the the machinery that uh converts illegal conduct into political power, for the left. And I'm talking about the racial gerrymandering. um, the straw donations, foreign money, identity theft, fraudulent online contributions, the non-profits that finance extremism while lying to their donors. Will you enforce the Constitution and Voting Rights Act against unlawful racial gerrymandering and investigate credible evidence of straw donations, foreign contributions, identity fraud, and other legal activity through ActBlue or other fundraising platforms?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:41:34 – 2:41:36

Yes, of course, Senator, yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:41:36 – 2:42:12

Thank you. Third, Protect free speech from the new censorship machine. Search engines determine what information Americans find we're more and more reliant on these things. App stores determine which platforms can reach the public. A I systems increasingly determine which claims are treated as true, false, respectable, extreme, or beyond discussion. Will you enforce a zero tolerance policy for federal officials who pressure technology companies to suppress lawful speech and work with Congress to expose communications between federal agencies and the companies controlling search, social media, app distribution, and and AI.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:42:12 – 2:42:13

Absolutely. Yes, Senator.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:42:13 – 2:42:37

Thank you. I wanna just give for the two and a half minutes I have uh left with my time. I guess give give you an opportunity. You saw um what happened to the Department of Justice under Merrick Garland and the dirtbag Jack Smith and under Joe Biden's regime. What what lessons do you draw from that?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:42:38 – 2:44:15

The biggest one is that is that the Department of Justice belongs um in the business of protecting our communities. And so when I talked about during my opening statement about um bringing the violent crime um rates down and um combating fraud and going after the fentanyl crisis in this country, that's that's the lesson I learned, is that we do not need to be um spending um millions and millions of dollars bringing hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of prosecutors to DC um to go after um literally an entire administration yes the president yes his family but also anybody that knew him, anybody that worked with him, his gardener at Mar-a-Lago was targeted uh we did we should not be doing that, we should be arresting bad guys, we should be and that's what we're doing so we're empowering assistant US attorneys around the country, FBI, ATF, Marshals, DEA, HSI agents um to go out and and make communities safe and and in my mind the, when it comes to the federal government, that's um, combating drug dealing, um, combating illegal immigration, um, narco-terrorism, using our HSTF task forces, um, and, and above all, and just as importantly, is, is fraud, and bringing money that is stolen from the American taxpayer, and getting it back, and, and putting the guys responsible in prison. That's what I've learned, is that we can just go out and do our jobs, Um, and we can do it. There'll be noise in DC. Like I said, we we prosecuted nearly a hundred thousand informations and indictments since January twentieth. We're talking about three or four. Um, and and that's the message that that I take to to prosecutors around the country.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:44:15 – 2:44:40

Thank you, and I and I also wanna thank you, um, um, early on with this administration in in Kansas City, but specifically in St. Louis working with the department, Kash Patel, others, St. Louis got the largest infusion of permanent FBI agents anywhere in the country and they're helping clean up the streets. People feel safer. Uh, it's a great American turn around as relates to crime. Those numbers hopefully will continue and I look forward to working with you on those efforts as well.

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:44:39 – 2:44:41

Thank you, we will. Thank you, Senator.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:44:40 – 2:44:41

Thanks.

Sen. Grassley (IA)2:44:42 – 2:57:59

Uh, before we take this fifteen minute break, I wanted to say that from twelve thirty till one I'll be in the capital to vote. Another republican will chair the meeting, so we're gonna go on through the noon hour. And uh so we'll take a break now and we'll be back at eleven forty five and senator blumenthal. Will be the first person to ask questions. Uh i'll ask senator blumenthal is it quiet enough for you to proceed. Proceed then. Proceed then.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)2:58:01 – 2:58:07

Thank you. Uh welcome back. Mister Blanch thank you for being here thank you to your.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:58:06 – 2:58:07

Thank you.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)2:58:07 – 2:58:38

Family and uh i wanna join in thanking the. men and women of the Department of Justice, uh, for their service. Um, I wanna begin where maybe we have some common ground. You would agree that the Islamic Republic of Iran is well known to detain, torture, even kill political dissidents, including evangelical Christians. Would you not?

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:58:41 – 2:58:43

um yes senator they have they have done that yes

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)2:58:44 – 2:59:53

and last week the iranian american legal defense fund filed a lawsuit alleging that the trump administration has adopted a policy of collaborating with the islamic republic of iran to provide details about asylum applicants this is the united states government providing information regularly and frequently to the iranian government about iranian nationals who are seeking asylum here in the united states these are declarations made under oath before the court about high officials stationed here with iran getting information from the united states government and then the american government deporting hundreds of individuals including evangelical christian back to iran where they face torture imprisonment potential death were you or the department of justice consulted about this policy

Todd Blanche (Witness)2:59:54 – 3:00:06

um i that's not our policy senator we would never send somebody home to be tortured that's not what the american uh people would expect of us that's certainly not what president trump does so i'm not familiar with the lawsuit you're talking about but

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:00:05 – 3:00:05

but

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:00:06 – 3:00:07

there's no such policy

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:00:07 – 3:00:10

Will will you commit to investigate these allegations?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:00:10 – 3:00:22

I haven't know nothing about the lawsuit. I will uh uh When I say you say commit to investigate allegations, we don't do that. Uh, but certainly if if the lawsuit needs to be answered and part of that includes investigation, absolutely.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:00:22 – 3:00:31

Well, you do investigate allegations of illegality. This policy would clearly be not only illegal, but morally repugnant.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:00:28 – 3:00:29

There is no such policy.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:00:31 – 3:00:35

Would it not? You agreed with me that it should not be the policy of the United States to do it.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:00:36 – 3:00:40

but in your question you're you're suggesting there is such a policy i'm telling you there is no such policy

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:00:41 – 3:00:45

well if there is no such policy then i presume you would investigate it

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:00:47 – 3:00:52

um when i see the lawsuit i'm just not familiar with it we we will of course do what's appropriate

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:00:52 – 3:00:54

but you you'd agree with me that it would be wrong

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:00:55 – 3:01:00

when that it would be wrong meaning it would be wrong to send somebody home to be tortured yes

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:01:01 – 3:02:59

let me ask you uh about uh allegations in connection with david gentilly i think we talked about the these allegations when you visited me thank you for coming to my office in may of twenty twenty five david gentilly was sentenced to seven years in prison for his role in an almost one point eight billion dollar ponzi like scheme that defrauded over ten thousand investors many of them middle class retirees of their hard-earned savings and he was in prison he boasted to fellow inmates and others that he was going to be released because he paid two point five million dollars for clemency evidence collected by the eastern district of new york supported those allegations and reportedly also included statements by father frank man that he spoke to the president about david gentilly the eastern district of new york was investigating these allegations and reportedly received a call from one of your top deputies instructing them about the concerns of the department of justice the investigation was stopped by the eastern district of new york i wrote to you on june twenty third and united states attorney joseph about these allegations that investigation into this impropriety was shutdown at the request of your office did you have any involvement or knowledge about the commutation of mister gentilly's sentence

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:03:01 – 3:03:09

President Trump, um, as I've said a couple of times today, has full authority to pardon or commute, um, anybody convicted of federal crime.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:03:09 – 3:03:10

That's not my question.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:03:10 – 3:03:12

So I, I'm answering your question, Senator.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:03:11 – 3:03:14

Did Did you know that?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:03:13 – 3:03:43

I'm answering your question. Um, so, um, what, my communications with President Trump I will not talk about. Um, he does not, nor should he. He has no obligation to discuss, um, pardon or commutation decisions with me, and he has not. As far as the the um what you just suggested about an investigation i believe you're referring to a news article that was the result of um apparent leaks and i i i would caution that there is falsehoods in those news articles

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:03:43 – 3:04:00

i'm asking you whether you had any involvement in commuting that sentence or in stopping the investigation into the allegations of impropriety payment to possibly payment to father fragment.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:04:00 – 3:04:16

And I answered the first question, but when you say stopping an investigation, there's an assumption built into your question that I will not concede. We will not talk about whether exists investigations exist or don't exist. Um, and certainly some leak about something that we supposedly did, um, doesn't warrant an answer either.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:04:16 – 3:04:19

There was an investigation. Correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:04:19 – 3:04:29

I am, no, I I that's my whole point in saying is that there's an assumption baked into your question that I don't think is true. meaning that we cannot comment on even the existence of investigations like that.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:04:28 – 3:04:34

You've you've commented this morning to Republican colleagues about several investigations.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:04:34 – 3:04:35

No, I haven't.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:04:35 – 3:04:40

Well, you commented in response to the chairman about the FISA investigation.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:04:40 – 3:04:41

About the what? Excuse me?

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:04:41 – 3:04:43

The investigation that he asked you about.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:04:44 – 3:05:00

So, Senator, the my point is that you're asking me questions about a news article, the source of which was apparently leaks. Um, it would be inappropriate for me as the acting attorney general, to comment on such leaks or news articles that that you're referencing but when it goes

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:04:59 – 3:05:47

well i i accept that you're not gonna answer my question but i think there is a need for the inspector general to look into the investigation that was apparently according to these articles and other information stopped as a result of your intervention let me let me move on uh in twenty seventeen more than uh ten thousand nine eleven victims filed suit against the kingdom of saudi arabia uh that lawsuit is heading to trial information uh was promised by president trump in september of twenty nineteen that information has not been provided will you commit to meet with those families and provide the information they need for their lawsuit

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:05:47 – 3:05:56

um folks from my office have have met with the representatives of those families, uh, we will commit to continuing to, to have communications, of course.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:05:57 – 3:05:59

And provide the information they're seeking?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:05:59 – 3:06:04

Well, you're saying, I, I don't know what the information is you're talking about. So, obviously, I can't just commit to providing the information.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:06:04 – 3:06:29

Well, let's talk about other information. Information about the Epstein abuses. Your predecessor apologized to the Epstein survivors, with good reason. Because as you've said today, mistakes were made. i'm asking you today with epstein survivors in this room to apologize to them

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:06:31 – 3:06:59

well so my heart breaks for every victim of any sexual crime um whether it's involving mister epstein or somebody else and so if you're asking me to apologize that this happened to them of course absolutely this is a horrible thing which is why this department of justice, this administration is focused um very heavily on going after these predators. And so yes, of course, that's part of my job is being empathetic to the victims of crimes.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:06:58 – 3:07:06

Will you apologize to them for the mishandling and mistakes that were made by the United States Department of Justice?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:07:06 – 3:07:13

I will, I will absolutely say that any mistake that we made should not have been made. And I very much,

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:07:13 – 3:07:14

Well there in this

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:07:13 – 3:07:55

I very much ap- uh uh I can answer the question or you can just interrupt me, Senator, I I am answering your question. Um, I very much, um, am and I have said this to anybody that asks, and publicly before, um, any mistake that was made is not appropriate. Um, and so yes, I am sorry that, um, in about one percent of the of of the documents, mistakes were made. But what I will say on top of that is we put tons of resources to rectifying those mistakes immediately, including pulling down documents within minutes of being informed that they were there were mistakes potential mistakes made, and working twenty four seven to rectify any mistakes and and that's what i would expect the victims would want us to do in their counsel and and this body as well

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:07:55 – 3:08:09

and you would agree with me wouldn't you that you can well meet with any of the survivors or victims with their counsel present you said you can't meet with them but you could meet with them if their counsel

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:08:08 – 3:08:32

i never said i can't meet with them i said if they were represented i had to meet through through counsel but of course i can meet Um, I'm the acting attorney general of the United States, so yes, I can. I, I very strongly believe that if, for these victims to tell their stories and the evidence that they have, they should meet, like any victim of a crime, with the FBI, um, or a law enforcement agent, and that we will do everything we can to prosecute if we can.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:08:33 – 3:09:06

The judge in Florida referred your misconduct. She concluded that there was misconduct and misrepresentation. an improper purpose in that legal action to the bar of new york for potential discipline including losing your law license i know you disagree with the result of the ruling has that kind of referral ever happened by a federal judge for an attorney general of the united states

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:09:07 – 3:09:08

can you can you go back

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:09:08 – 3:09:40

i don't know but i'll tell you something um that judge never asked us to respond She never gave us an opportunity to respond to anything. And she didn't refer me. She just asked that a copy of the order be provided the New York bar, because there are several activist groups that have filed complaints against me. So, so listen, I, as I've said earlier, I, I think anybody on this committee, especially the lawyers that have practiced can read that opinion and reach their own conclusions. But I very much disagree, um, with, with the judges' um, insinuations about me. Um, and, and we're gonna do what we can to make that right.

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:09:40 – 3:09:51

one one last question would you agree with me that agents of the united states should not fire into cars unless there is fire their weapons into cars unless there is an imminent threat

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:09:52 – 3:09:53

give a short answer to that

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:09:53 – 3:10:02

there's a well established standard as to when an agent um can discharge their firearm and i think that that's that's something that's that that should be followed in every case

Sen. Blumenthal (CT)3:10:03 – 3:10:06

and that includes not firing weapons into cars

Sen. Britt (AL)3:10:08 – 3:10:09

mister chair

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:10:09 – 3:10:11

before i well do you wanna respond to

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:10:11 – 3:10:17

i mean uh there's not really a response it it requires federal agents to um follow the rules

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:10:16 – 3:10:32

then then let's move on before i call on senator brett i want a another letter supporting the nominee from the american border story a national organization representing three hundred angel families

Sen. Britt (AL)3:10:32 – 3:10:33

i was just thinking

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:10:33 – 3:10:39

quoting from the letter the families we work with are not focused on politics

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:10:39 – 3:10:39

yeah

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:10:39 – 3:11:11

they want leaders who take crime seriously who understand the national security implications of open border criminal open border criminal networks and who will prioritize victims over ideology we believe todd blanchett understands that responsibility and would approach the office of attorney general with seriousness it demands End of quote. Without objection, that'll be entered in the record, Senator Brett.

Sen. Britt (AL)3:11:11 – 3:13:27

Thank you, Mister Chairman, and I think that's an excellent segue. I appreciate your commitment to all of the victims, the Epstein victims, your commitment to hear from them and fight for them. Thank you for saying that today. I only wish that my democratic colleagues had that same level of conviction when it came to meeting with the families of those who have lost loved ones at the hands of illegal aliens. So thank you for that letter. Thank you for your commitment. I can only hope that they will answer the call and meet with their own constituencies, who unfortunately um have lost um ones that they hold dear. Mister Blanch, um I wanna applaud the work that you and DOJ have done to reduce crime and violent crime across the country. We've heard it a number of times here today, both in the Chairman's opening, to Senator Moody talking about it, to you talking about it. We currently have the lowest murder rate that we've had since nineteen hundred. When you're looking at violent crime arrest, we are up a hundred and eighty-four percent. This is real results. This is what you're supposed to be doing, keeping Americans safe. We know that you've done that through a number of ways, um, task force and joint operations, inter-agency cooperation. We've seen the forces, those successfully pursue numerous cases in our state related to major major drug trafficking, related to firearms trafficking, um, all of which has been linked to, in many cases, you know, broader criminal enterprises. So, we're glad that our children are safer and that our communities are safer. What I'd like to know from you, um, because we've seen in Alabama this have tremendous results. We've even seen in one case, uh, a corrupt local law enforcement, enforcement officer in the southern district of Alabama, who had engaged in a range of criminal activities, um, in his capacity as an officer, being held accountable through this work. Um, based on what I've seen in Alabama, I hope that you continue this all across the country. Can you speak to the work of these task forces and the success that you've seen, and how you intend to build upon this work moving forward, um, if and when confirmed?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:13:29 – 3:14:56

Yes. So the Homeland Security Task Force regime that we've set up in every single state and every single district in this country is designed to do what, just what you were describing. So work not just with the federal government, not just DOJ, but to work with um Department of Homeland Security, sheriffs, cops, local prosecutors, um local law enforcement, and and assistant US attorneys to go into that community and eradicate it of human trafficking, drug dealers, narco-terrorism, and the the results, it's been set up for almost a year in most in most places, and and the results are evident in the statistics that we show, but they're really more evident when when I go out to US Attorney's offices and meet with HSTF um groups like I do all the time. Um to a person they say, " This is what we needed forever, this is what works." Having law enforcement get together in a room and say, we need to tackle, or this apartment building has a drug problem, or the even this individual needs to be targeted because he's a violent felon and needs to go off the streets. It's it's basic law enforcement that that I've done for a long time, that that President Trump echos and and trumpets and has done since January twentieth. And and that's why I think that's why we're seeing the success that we're seeing. And we're not slowing down. Um, HSTFs are are up and running, uh, full speed ahead and And I hope that we continue to still see the results that we've seen over the past um ten months or so.

Sen. Britt (AL)3:14:56 – 3:17:13

Thank you for your commitment to that and all the work that you've done. Um, I wanna take a a brief moment. Our um distinguished and late colleague, Senator Graham, was excited about your nomination. He was passionate about many things, um, which we saw here in this committee, um, just in amazing ways. Um, one of the things that he was a champion of was the unborn, and that is a deeply held conviction that we both have. And I wanna talk to you and address the issue of the chemical abortion drug that we have seen just spread coast to coast as you know pursuant to a Biden-era administration administrative action the FDA there is no longer an in-person dispensing requirement in place for the drug, for Mifepristone. It allows it to literally be dispersed across state lines, all across the country. We are losing children and we are putting women in harm's way. Look, it has no oversight, no safeguard, I got to hear the story of Johna Afholder who's here with us today, and I am so grateful for her willingness to be here. But I got to hear it firsthand yesterday. I know many people have read her story in recent news articles about her then boyfriend, now ex-boyfriend, a doctor, no less, actually forcing a crushed abortion pill into her mouth. in the middle of the night, then taking her keys, holding her hostage so that she could not go get help. This is sick and twisted and must stop. He used his ex-wife's information to buy those drugs online, to kill his own child, and to endanger Johna's life, and sadly her story is one of many, and so can you commit

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:17:27 – 3:18:02

Uh, a- absolutely, Senator, and it's not only what the Department of Justice can do, but it's what the FDA is doing right now for the first time in a decade, actually doing real studies about the safety and and the appropriateness of these drugs. And, you know, I've seen video myself of of what uh appears to be pills coming even from overseas um to to young women and doesn't matter who applies for it, anybody can get it, there's no instructions, they just come dumped out of a little plastic bag and and it's um it's wrong, and I very much commit our resources to to stopping this.

Sen. Britt (AL)3:18:02 – 3:19:30

Thank you very much. I wanna turn to an issue that I also raised with former Attorney General Bondi, and that's illegal offshore gaming and the concern in the rise of illegal gaming. amongst minors. In twenty twenty four, a study found that individuals who began gambling before the age of eighteen are fifty percent more likely to uh develop an addiction to gambling. This has become a major issue among America's youth, in particular America's young men. Just last year in the northern district of Alabama, we saw a case where ten men pleaded guilty to managing a sports betting operation, and accepted over two billion dollars. in wagers via an offshore server located in Costa Rica. Senator Blumenthal and I have worked together on this issue and recently introduced the Game Act which would prohibit social media companies and advertising websites from targeting minors with sports betting advertising online. We also sent a letter to DOJ encouraging the department to use its existing statutory authorities to pursue injuctive relief and to block illegal offshore gaming operations. I wanna tell you how much I appreciate the response. It was very substantive um that I got to that letter. But can you also commit to me today that you're gonna make this issue a priority and take robust action to combat the reach of illegal gaming operations within the United States and then in particular the targeting of minors through this.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:19:30 – 3:19:32

Uh yes, Senator, absolutely.

Sen. Britt (AL)3:19:32 – 3:21:13

Thank you. The US Census Bureau reported over a decade between twenty ten and twenty twenty that over sixty-five population in the United States experienced the largest ever ten year numeric gain and percentage point increase in terms of share of the overall population. In its annual report to Congress last December, the FTC noted that total fraud losses by older Americans defined as age of sixty and older, increased almost four fold from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, shooting up from six hundred million in twenty twenty two point four billion in twenty twenty four. As our society ages and we can it will continue to be a problem that we must take robust action to address particularly given technological advances and other ways that this fraud is occurring I introduced the GART Act with Senator Gillibrand and it would allow state and local law enforcement agencies and to use certain federal grant funding to utilize a blockchain for investigating financial fraud. It also permit federal law enforcement to assist state and local law enforcement with tracing tools for blockchain technology. I'm thrilled it was reported out of this committee, uh, by voice vote earlier this year. I know that DOJ has programs in place, like Elder Justice Initiative, but can you speak specifically to DOJ's efforts with respect to elder financial fraud and the extent to which we will work to continue to make this a priority, under your leadership, and the importance of collaboration with state and local law enforcement officers, as we work to bring justice to these people who have been abused.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:21:13 – 3:21:57

Yes, Senator. We are very focused, not only at main justice, but at every US attorney's office, um, on, on protecting our elderly who are absolutely victims of scams of any sort. And many of the scams are coming from, um, overseas, from Burma and from of these, uh, of these literally entire buildings filled with, um, with individuals cold calling um our senior citizens, trying to get them to give them money or send them send them money. And so we are we've we've charged um I think over three hundred this year alone. Um we'll keep on doing that and and it is a it has been a priority as it should be, and it will remain a priority of the department to to target these um these criminals, again many of whom are are not even in this country, going after our senior citizens.

Sen. Britt (AL)3:21:58 – 3:22:00

Thank you so much for your service and I look forward to supporting your nomination.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:22:01 – 3:22:02

Thank you, Senator.

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:22:02 – 3:22:41

Before i call on senator rona i have another letter uh for the nominee uh supporting mister blanche uh from the american united for life a pro-life organization i quote mister blanche's commitment to respecting human life is evident in his actions as acting attorney general we at american united for life are confident in mister blanche's commitment to a fair and even application of law end of quote without objection it will be entered in the record senator herrano

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:22:42 – 3:23:07

thank you mr. chairman welcome mr. blanche to ensure the fitness to serve uh of all nominees who come before any of my committees i ask the following two initial questions since you became a legal adult have you ever made unwanted requests for sexual favors or committed any verbal or physical harassment or assault of a sexual nature.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:23:07 – 3:23:08

No, Senator.

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:23:08 – 3:23:13

Have you ever faced discipline or entered into a settlement relating to this kind of conduct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:23:13 – 3:23:14

No, Senator.

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:23:16 – 3:23:44

Mister Blanchet, over the course of the past five months, the New Mexico Department of Justice has talked to your staff about getting access to information for its investigation into a alleged crime at Jeffrey Epstein's Zorro ranch. Will you and your team continue to cooperate with the New Mexico Department of Justice and help it get the information it needs?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:23:45 – 3:23:49

Yes, we're continuing to work with with them and yes, yes, Senator.

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:23:48 – 3:24:20

Thank you. Mister Blanch, at an April eighth press conference, a reporter asked you a question about President Trump's desire to see his perceived political enemies prosecuted. You answered quote, " That is his right and indeed it is his duty to do that." To clarify, Mr. Blanch, do you believe it is the president's right and duty to order the investigation or prosecution of his perceived enemies, yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:24:21 – 3:24:36

I can't answer that yes or no. That wasn't the question. And my answer was that as the um as the president of the United States, under article two, he's in charge of the Department of Justice. And so my my answer reflects that idea, not that he has a right to go after his political enemies.

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:24:34 – 3:25:33

I think what the Reclaiming my time, I think that what the president meant was pretty clear, and I just wanted to know whether um you thought that that is indeed his right and duty to prosecute his perceived enemies. So let me get to that. Investigations of the president's perceived enemies aren't theoretical. They are happening. for example last august president trump posted on social media that george soros should be charged with rico weeks later one of your deputies directed several us attorneys offices to investigate soros' charitable foundations for violating the rico statute mr. blanch to confirm were the us attorneys offices asked to launch these investigations because of the president's post yes or no

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:25:34 – 3:25:40

i'm not even confirming that they were asked to do but most certainly not because of any truth from president trump

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:25:39 – 3:26:18

well the president definitely excuse me the president definitely posted that uh he should be mister sower should be charged with vico and lo and behold several weeks later that is exactly what your office sought to have done since last year doj has sued thirty states seeking their voter lists. Fourteen of those lawsuits have been resolved by federal judges. Mister Blanche, did any of those fourteen federal court judges from across the country agree with DOJ's legal position? Again, yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:26:18 – 3:26:22

Um, with some of the legal positions, yes. Um, it

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:26:22 – 3:26:22

Pardon?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:26:23 – 3:26:28

w- The answer to the question is yes, some of the judges um agreed with some

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:26:27 – 3:26:28

the fourteen judges

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:26:29 – 3:26:34

agreed with some of our legal positions and and most of those cases are under uh under appeal

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:26:33 – 3:26:53

actually um that's not correct uh the answer is actually no these fourteen federal judges some of them were trump appointees disagreed with doj s position in terms of getting access to these voter rolls and it's all part of doj s attempt um the president's attempt at election interference

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:26:48 – 3:26:48

well i think this

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:26:57 – 3:27:33

we know that federal judges are a problem for you certainly a problem for president trump because uh they actually care about facts and evidence and that's why last fall at a federalist society event you called for young lawyers at that event to join you in fighting a war and you said we need you because it's a war and it's something we will not win unless we keep on fighting the war that you were talking about was against federal judges who were ruling against the administration correct

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:27:34 – 3:27:35

uh no

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:27:38 – 3:27:51

well then do you believe that judges should be impeached based on their rulings against this administration and the president yes or no

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:27:50 – 3:27:53

no No, I don't believe that.

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:27:55 – 3:28:27

On that you disagree with the president because he believes judges should be impeached for disagreeing with them. President Trump sees DOJ not only as a tool to attack his enemies, but also useful for helping his friends. To that end, on May eighteenth you signed an attorney general order establishing funding and setting out requirements for the so-called anti-weaponization fund correct you signed such an order

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:28:26 – 3:28:29

yes i did sign that document yes

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:28:28 – 3:28:30

have you rescinded that order

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:28:31 – 3:28:35

yes the order is no longer in effect there is no weaponization fund correct

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:28:33 – 3:28:38

oh the listen but that is not my question my question is did you rescind that order

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:28:38 – 3:28:41

yes i'm doing it under oath right now it does not exist

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:28:39 – 3:29:18

no no the fact no when you answer that uh there is no fund that is not rescinding the order because you can resurrect that order at any time So actually your answer is no, you have not rescinded that order. Mister Blanch, one one of your first acts as a Deputy Attorney General was to issue a memo eviscerating DOJ's enforcement work against crypto criminals. Crypto crime surged in twenty twenty five. Mister Blanch, are you aware that Americans reported over eleven billion dollars in crypto fraud losses to the fbi last year

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:29:18 – 3:29:33

our our crypto enforcement is way up compared to a year and a half ago so i didn't eviscerate anything to the contrary actually we empowered aus's around the country to go after um criminals in the right circumstances and we're doing we continue to do it

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:29:29 – 3:29:48

uh it's too bad i take it you are not aware that um there were reports of over eleven billion dollars in crypto fraud reported to the fbi that was my question are you aware or are you not aware

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:29:48 – 3:29:51

are you talking about the fraud that we have prosecuted

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:29:51 – 3:29:56

no i'm talking about the eleven billion dollars worth of crypto crime this is a pretty good simple question

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:29:51 – 3:29:52

that eleven billion

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:29:57 – 3:29:57

did you

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:29:57 – 3:29:59

i i just don't understand the question i'm sorry

Sen. Hirono (HI)3:29:58 – 3:32:34

are you or are you not aware but it doesn't seem you're aware because you're making all kinds of excuses the fact is that uh we uh crypto enforcement you eviscerated that work that your department is supposed to be doing uh so anyway mr. Blanch when you issued your memo ending crypto crime enforcement you held significant amounts of crypto currency yourself and i sent you several letters asking you about it and i'm still awaiting your answer mr. Blanch it is clear to me that your leadership is going to be a continuation of what we have seen so far as a trump department of justice or more like to be called the department of retribution and corruption. You see nothing wrong with the president treating DOJ as his own personal law firm, to use as a weapon against his perceived enemies, and as a way of helping his friends, and as a tool to interfere with the upcoming elections. The states run elections in this country, but you wanna insert DOJ at every step of the process. suing the states with frivolous claims and sending threatening letters to secretaries of state. You wanna suppress the votes of American citizens who will have a chance to resoundingly reject the president's corruption at the ballot box this November. You signed a memo eviscerating DOJ's cryptocurrency enforcement work, leading to a surge in Americans being victimized by cryptocurrency fraud. You also championed a slush fund for the president's allies who attacked police officers on January sixth. From the beginning, we all knew that that's what this fund was for, but now we have findings of fact from a federal judge concluding that the fund came out of a fake lawsuit filed solely to lend an air of legitimacy to the president's attempt to compensate his insurrectionist allies. You played a key role in attempting to perpetuate this fraud on American taxpayers, and you oversaw the botched release of the Epstein files, denying justice once again to survivors who have been waiting so long for it. You have no business being the Attorney General of the United States of America. I certainly urge my colleagues to vote against your confirmation. Thank you, Mister Chairman.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:32:39 – 3:33:06

I mean, Chairman, on on the crypto point, um, our crypto prosecutions are way up, and it is very true that crypto um fraud is is a is a is a thing, and it's still happening. But um, getting rid of a a task force of a bunch of lawyers in Washington DC, did nothing more than empower AUSAs around the country to to bring cases, which is what they've done. So. i'm i'm proud of the work that we're doing in that space and will continue to do it

Sen. Grassley (IA)3:33:08 – 3:34:31

um i before i call on senator tell us uh we've been talking about political prosecutions you've been criticized and the department's been criticized but i wish you'd spare me the outrage uh they cheered on biden as he weaponized the justice department targeting president trump congressional republicans parents catholics and conservative americans nationwide so i think that the other party has zero credibility on this issue moreover we uh let's look at some of the so-called political prosecutions underway how about the southern poverty law center The group's apparently been funding extremist groups like the Ku Klux Klan and the National Socialist Movement. How about Don Lemon and the ICE uh protesters? They stormed and intimidated folks in the middle of a church service. Those are not political prosecutions. Protecting the taxpayers of other First Amendment rights. is the responsibility of the government and the Justice Department. Senator Tillis.

Sen. Schiff (CA)3:34:32 – 3:36:46

Thank you, Mister Chair, and I I'm gonna take up where where you just left off. Um, thank you for being before the hearing, I think you're doing very well, Mister Blanch. Um, I'm gonna kind of ascend to the uh rarefied air of the the moral high ground here for a minute. Um, as I've heard some of the Democrats um, talking about this administration, It's almost as if they weren't here when the Biden administration did the indictments against President Trump. Um, we've already heard it ta- talk about Jack Smith. We haven't talked about the way that they dealt with a family member who was being indicted and Hunter Biden. Um, I don't remember them saying anything during those days, uh, in judiciary committee. Um, I don't think I remember them ramping up the, uh, freedom of access to clinic entrances and trying to pro-life people um from the the law that they decided to ratchet up in nineteen ninety four uh couple of important cases there um and then the january sixth capital riot prosecutions um the fact of the matter is and i'll get to this in a minute the part i don't like about it but hundreds or thousands of people's lives were destroyed because they did something stupid that day and there's a vast different between difference between doing something stupid and doing something that destroys your career and ruins you financially. And this administration, the Biden administration, tapped on the emotions of the time to over-prosecute and weaponize the DOJ, and went after people that I believe deserved a pardon because they weren't the people that attacked police officers. They weren't the people who knowingly destroyed the Capitol. They weren't the people who proudly went in like a QAnon shaman and pretended like he'd taken the Senate ground. They're the people that get me mad. which is why I'm not gonna talk about them anymore. But, um, it's remarkable how it's almost as if that, uh, men in black, that device they use to erase their memories, it's remarkable that these people sat before this committee when all that was going on and not a whiff. I hate duplicity and I hate situational ethics.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:36:46 – 3:36:47

Yeah.

Sen. Schiff (CA)3:36:48 – 3:37:45

to say I was against that and I'm also against some of the decisions of the president, not you, mister Blanche. You work for somebody and you gotta do what you're told to do. And I hope you stay within the uh ethical bounds of the of the law. You you have to answer to the bars and everyone else. But it's just jarring to hear people criticize this administration when they can't look in the mirror and ask themselves why they weren't criticizing an administration when they happen to have a blue jersey. Now, my criticism of the of the administration with the red jersey. January sixth, I have searched heaven and earth and I haven't found anything except a passing comment at a C-SPAN conference. So can you tell me definitively that you think um that any Capitol Police officer who was harmed on January the sixth was a victim of a heinous crime at the hands of the person who did it?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:37:45 – 3:37:48

Yes, and should have been prosecuted, and was.

Sen. Schiff (CA)3:37:48 – 3:40:36

And they were. Um, and um, and so I just, with the members, please, you know, as as long as you can prove you've been consistent, use those sound bites. But don't use them when you look the other way, when fundamentally at the abstract level, President Biden did everything that you're accusing President Trump of doing. And a part of what we've gotta get rid of, Mister Blanch, political physics going on. American people are an exceptional uh people, and they always like to best each other. And what I've seen happening here is when we have a bad action of one administration, I'll be damned if we don't repeat it with the other one. I want leadership that says we're gonna ratchet things down and not make the heinous mistakes that the admin- Biden administration did. Let's be better than them, not better at prosecuting people that maybe we shouldn't take a little bit more time before we indict them. But let's let's just be better than them. Let's set an example and stop this spiraling or the next Congress that I will not be a part of we'll be talking about it again or in twenty twenty nine if a Democrat president comes in they're gonna up the ante and they're gonna go right after the behavior of this administration as an example of why they should. Because this administration has done the same thing to justify their uh some of their behavior. I'm not criticizing you, but I'm trying to just cut through the the rhetoric and let people all know that we are at this place today in part because of the actions of the Biden administration and and the weaponization that I even saw under Garland, who I generally supported. So, let's just be real here, people, if you're gonna criticize one administration, look in the mirror before you do it. Now, uh, Mister Blanch. I wanna stick a fork in this turkey of a seventeen seventy-six fund. And you've said that it's moot. I've had colleagues here, attorney, I'm not an attorney, I'm a, I'm a, a, a business consultant. I see a problem, I wanna solve it. This is a problem. It should never be paid out. You've said it's gonna be moot, that it's moot. Others, these smart attorneys that I'm surrounded by, I think that the courts are probably gonna deal with it. the court capacity on this issue, if I could walk to the Senate floor with an agreed to piece of text coming from the administration that just renders this whole thing dead, gone. I don't need a probe's language. I don't need a statement from the administration. All I need is language to say everybody around here said it's over. So why can't we agree to language that I could walk down to the Senate floor and get a UC and dare the Democrats to to oppose ending this. And they're a Republican too if the president supports it. Why is that a bad strategy?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:40:37 – 3:40:48

It's it's not. I mean, certainly the Department of Justice and the White House has worked with you and your colleagues to come up with language. We do not object that path or or including it in in some other vote.

Sen. Schiff (CA)3:40:48 – 3:41:40

I wanna make the distinction though, because I know that Senator Collins and the appropriations team are working on this language. Uh, but you've alre- I don't know if you've been paying attention to Congress. I believe this, yeah. You've got your own job to do. But we're not necessarily getting along really well right now. The cha- I mean, Schumer's already threatening a government shutdown. We we haven't even had appropriations discussions, you know, except ongoing negotiations. He's already threatening a shutdown. So that language could be in a bill that's dead on arrival because nobody's gonna do it. My question is, who on earth, who in this Senate chamber would raise an objection if we were able to put something on the floor that ended this debate? The only reason I think that a Democrat would be opposed to it is they love milk in this thing for what it is. I wanna stick a fork in it. And can I get your commitment to uh, uh, to maybe provide us with some technical assistance on what that language would look like?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:41:41 – 3:41:41

Absolutely.

Sen. Schiff (CA)3:41:42 – 3:42:02

Thank you. Um. Mister Blanch, I uh, I did wanna just echo, and and uh, Mister Chairman, um, I know I I caught him off guard, or if if I can uh, seek unanimous consent to put into the record the letter that uh, Senator Cornyn and I sent to Mister Blanch.

Sen. Lee (UT)3:42:02 – 3:42:02

Without objection.

Sen. Schiff (CA)3:42:03 – 3:44:22

Um, so that that's the letter on uh on the issue that uh Senator Britt most recently brought up uh w- w- I think there's a way to solve that and I have confidence in your ability to do it uh Mister Blanch uh but it is very important. Um, and uh I guess for the purposes of uh uh back to the pardons, I get pretty emotional about that. The um. I think a better, we need to do a better job of of um looking through the pardons process, OK. I've talked about the January sixth pardons, but in this administration, and I'm no fan of Ed Martin, that's exactly why he'll never get confirmed in the US Senate as long as I'm here. That's only a hundred and seventy-two days. Maybe he can come back next year. Um, but um, I think the pardons process is something else we have to look at. Um, the Democrats are consider are are criticizing this administration for pardons. Uh, you take a look at the egregious list of pardons in the in the uh in the Biden administration. Let's not forget that the Biden administration also had prospective pardons, get out of jail free card. I heard people criticizing some of the get out of audit uh arguments uh for the agreement, seventeen seventy six. That Biden in the eleventh hour gave prospective pardons to people who hadn't even charged with anything. Again, the point that I'm trying to make, folks, is you're all victims of political physics. There was no criticism about that then. And now we're trying to criticize this president for pardons that I've criticized. So the point here, and I do believe that in the Trump administration, I have talked about the um the January sixth pardons, but I'm concerned that the Binance CEO got, um, got pardoned. I'm, I'm concerned that there was talk about a corporation getting a pardon. So I'd be very curious, uh, if you're confirmed, if, uh, we could sit down and understand how that process goes and to what extent we can have visibility into these people getting pardons. Starting with a lot of the pardons that came out of the Biden administration. Can I get your commitment if confirmed to walk through that process?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:44:22 – 3:44:23

Of course, yes, Senator.

Sen. Schiff (CA)3:44:24 – 3:44:27

Thank you, Mr. Blanch. You've done a great job today.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:44:28 – 3:44:28

Senator Boker.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:44:36 – 3:44:38

Good afternoon, Mr. Blanch. Um,

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:44:37 – 3:44:38

Good afternoon.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:44:38 – 3:46:26

our president has a very well-documented history of attempting to corruptly influence government officials to advance his own personal interest. He called the Republican secretary of Georgia, asking him to find enough votes to overturn the election. He withheld military aid to pressure Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden's son. For these things, he has been impeached. He's been criminally convicted in Georgia, uh, and died in Georgia because he uses his power to unjustly influence people. When a president routinely pressures public officials for his own personal benefit, the Department of Justice has to remain independent. This brings me really to you. and I think what has you at the center of so much concern, is that you seek to lead the Department of Justice after being the President's personal lawyer, lawyer. The American people are really entitled to know whether your allegiance to the rule of law is your focus or your allegiance to one man who clearly has an insatiable appetite for revenge, self enrichment, and the abuse of power. So I wanna talk about your record. Under you, the department has prosecuted people that have caught folks on both sides of the political aisle by surprise. Jim Comey, Letitia James, my colleague Adam Schiff, Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. This casts a shadow over your ideas, any ideas of independence. You directed the arrest of Mayor Ras Baraka of my city of Newark. You weren't at Delaney Hall on May ninth, twenty twenty five. when he was arrested. But yes or no? Did you have a conversation with special agent in charge, Ricky Patel, ordering him to arrest Mayor Baraka?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:46:28 – 3:46:33

Um, I had a conversation, I didn't order him to arrest. I authorized the arrest, which is my job.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:46:34 – 3:49:18

So you were not there and and we have body camera footage of him then moving, and saying we are arresting the mayor right now per, this is his quote, the Deputy Attorney General of the United States. I wanna put that into the record, your comments there, and that district court, assessing all of your conduct, admonish the Department of Justice. This is their, this is the quote of the judge, of the federal judge. "Your role is not to advance political agendas. Your allegiance is to the impartial application of the law and to uphold due process for all." But this is just one example cited by over one thousand two hundred current and former Department of Justice officials appointed under the presence of both parties who warned that you should not be in this position because of your inability to be independent from your personal allegiance to Donald Trump over the rule of law. I met yesterday with Epstein's survivors. Some of them are here in the room today. Congress, in a bipartisan fashion, passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act because the American people were demanding justice. Yet you failed to abide by that law and release the files by the deadline established by the law. And when the files were finally released, you failed to protect the survivors that that law was intended to protect. Survivors' personal information, including names, phone numbers, home addresses, and images were released. Powerful people were redacted. survivors were subjected to re-traumatization. More than twelve hundred victims, yet only two people have ever been prosecuted, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Now, I was stunned earlier by your conversation with one of my colleagues, that you wouldn't even commit to meeting with the survivors. But you did meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. Your claim that you can't meet with these victims because they're represented by counsel is utter nonsense. Counsel can be present or a client can waive their right to have counsel. But you're a lawyer. You know this. That was not truthful, what you said to my colleague. You said that they should meet with the FBI. All of these women have reported their crimes decades ago, but yet you won't meet with them. What you will do is meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. Over a year ago, you sat with her, and you publicly said you were seeking the truth. So let's talk about what that two day meeting produced. Did your interview with Miss Maxwell lead to a single additional person being charged, yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:49:19 – 3:49:20

No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:49:20 – 3:49:23

Did it lead to a single new investigation, yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:49:27 – 3:49:30

I can't talk about whether there's any investigations.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:49:29 – 3:49:35

The, I'm not asking you about an ongoing or closed investigation. I'm just asking you about this unusual

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:49:34 – 3:49:36

I can't answer your question, yes or no.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:49:36 – 3:49:45

Did you did you or anyone else from the DOJ or associated with the president discuss a presidential pardon with Ghislaine Maxwell or her attorneys?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:49:46 – 3:49:46

No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:49:47 – 3:49:49

Did you discuss clemency, yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:49:50 – 3:49:50

No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:49:51 – 3:49:52

Did you discuss her

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:49:52 – 3:49:53

She was convicted. What do you mean, clemency?

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:49:53 – 3:49:57

Did you discuss her transfer to another institution, yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:49:57 – 3:49:57

No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:49:58 – 3:50:09

Well, just one week after your meet meeting, Miss Maxwell was transferred from a low security federal institution to a minimum security prison camp, were you involved with that transfer?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:50:10 – 3:50:22

When, as I've talked about before, um, in the time leading up to me going down to meet with her, um, we learned that she was receiving um, threats. The, it turned out when we were there, it turned out

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:50:21 – 3:50:23

I'm gonna interrupt you for a matter of time, cuz

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:50:24 – 3:50:27

Okay, well it's not a, a question I can answer apparently in the sense that you're giving me.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:50:26 – 3:50:40

Sir, I'm gonna tell you this because I deal with, issues of criminal justice. When people are under threats in a Bureau of Prison facility, they're put into solitary confinement or protective. They're not moved to a camp.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:50:40 – 3:50:41

That's not always true.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:50:41 – 3:50:41

It is,

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:50:41 – 3:50:42

You're just wrong.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:50:42 – 3:51:29

well, what is what is true is someone that is accused of child sex trafficking under the Bureau of Prison's own policies is not put in a facility like this that seems clearly like a reward. The Department of Justice is also responsible that powerful corporations play by the same rules. Let's take a proposed merger between Paramount, Warner Brothers, and Discovery. This is no ordinary transaction. It was a proposed one hundred and eleven billion dollar merger involving two of the last remaining legacy Hollywood studios. As Deputy Attorney General and later Acting Attorney General, you o- exercised oversight of the antitrust division. You approved the decision to close the department's investigation into that merger, yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:51:31 – 3:51:33

I was part of the decision. I don't know whether.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:51:33 – 3:51:36

Yes, you were involved in that. That is a yes. Did you,

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:51:36 – 3:51:37

That's incredible.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:51:36 – 3:51:42

did the career attorneys who investigated that deal recommend closing that investigation?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:51:37 – 3:51:45

The answer to I didn't have a conversation with the career, but as I was saying earlier,

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:51:44 – 3:51:45

I didn't ask you that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:51:45 – 3:51:45

I was.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:51:45 – 3:51:51

I asked you, did the career attorneys who investigate the deal recommend closing the investigation?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:51:50 – 3:51:52

I have no idea what they were talking about.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:51:52 – 3:51:55

You were in charge of that department yet you have no idea. Well, this is.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:51:55 – 3:52:00

I didn't say I had no idea. I said no idea about the question you asked about whether the what the career attorney's view was.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:52:00 – 3:52:02

You do not know what the career attorney's view was.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:52:02 – 3:52:06

I'm not sure what the view was with respect to closing it or not closing it.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:52:05 – 3:52:33

Well, let me tell you why ethics laws that bind you about the appearance of a propriety are so, so damning in this case. On the same day that Paramount shareholders voted to approve the merger, David Ellison, the head of the acquiring company, hosted a dinner that you attended, honoring the president of United States. While you were at that dinner, The DOJ was still investigating a merger. Did you speak with Mister Ellison on that evening?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:52:35 – 3:52:35

Uh, no.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:52:37 – 3:52:44

Did you discuss with anyone involved in that organization that evening the department's ongoing investigations?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:52:44 – 3:52:44

No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:52:45 – 3:52:54

Well, six weeks later, after that dinner, that investigation was closed, that you're stating you have no idea if the attorneys in charge even finished their investigation.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:52:55 – 3:52:56

That's not what I said.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:52:56 – 3:52:57

What did you say?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:52:57 – 3:53:05

You asked me a question about whether the attorneys um recommended that the investigation be closed, and I said I wasn't sure. That's different than the one you just threw back at me.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:04 – 3:53:10

Well, it it it it you you do you believe that that creates an appearance of impropriety that you were at a dinner?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:10 – 3:53:11

No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:11 – 3:53:26

OK. The Justice Department ethics rules are very clear about a proof about about avoiding the appearance of impropriety. In a case like this, I don't think that's appearance of impropriety I think that's improper.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:27 – 3:53:28

Every

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:27 – 3:53:38

That the elected, that the connected and the powerful are getting a chance to rub shoulders. It would seem appropriate that you avoid those kind of appearances in dinners like that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:39 – 3:53:44

Every appearance or dinner or speech that I give uh are cleared by ethics officials.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:44 – 3:53:47

So you, your your attendance at that dinner was cleared by ethics officials?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:47 – 3:53:48

Everything that I do,

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:48 – 3:53:50

I didn't ask you everything you do,

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:48 – 3:53:50

when I do outside, I think,

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:50 – 3:53:52

was your appearance at that dinner.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:50 – 3:53:53

when I, when You can ask the questions,

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:52 – 3:53:52

Clear.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:53 – 3:53:58

but you cannot control my answers. I'm under oath and I can answer the questions as I choose to answer them.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:53:58 – 3:54:00

Were you approved to approve?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:53:58 – 3:54:01

OK, so what I will tell you is when I do things outside,

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:54:00 – 3:54:01

Yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:54:01 – 3:54:01

when I do things,

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:54:01 – 3:54:03

Were you approved by ethics to

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:54:02 – 3:54:10

when I do things outside of the, uh, outside of the department, whether it's a speech, whether it's a dinner, whether it's an event, they are approved by ethics officials.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:54:12 – 3:54:15

You did not answer whether that attendance was approved.

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:54:15 – 3:54:17

Every time I go out it's approved, yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)3:54:19 – 3:56:39

You know, Lincoln. It was said about him that if you wanna see the true character of a man, don't feel him an adversity, give him power. Uh, I believe you you you've had a lot of power. And so we don't have to speculate about what has been revealed with your time in that office. We we don't need to worry about what kind of Attorney General, you you've already had that power. This isn't a job interview like usually. You've sat before this committee before. You've made promises time and time again before. You got the job actually to be the number two and the acting director. So this isn't a confirmation hearing, this is more of a performance review. And clearly, when it comes to the treatment of Epstein victims, when it comes to politically motivated prosecutions, when it comes from avoiding appearance of impropriety with corporations, you failed. You're asking this this body for a promotion. And you've spent today making a lot of promises, promises to follow the law, promises to be independent, promises to serve the American people and not the president, but we don't need your promises. We have your record. We have watched you exercise one of the greatest powers entrusted to any public servant. And what have you shown us? One thousand two hundred victims waiting for justice. What have you shown us? There's two prosecutions. While the party, while the people involved, the victims, or waiting for action, one of the people prosecuted gets the most cushy arrangement possible after you visit with her. Again and again, you seem to be favoring the interests of a president and the powerful. You've chosen Trump over truth. You've chosen corporations over the constitution. And you failed to meet the test. I'll say this in closing. This is why your nomination should fail. The Attorney General's client is not the President. It's the American people. You've been protecting one man for most of your career, for years and years and years. He has demonstrated himself to put undue pressure, this is why he was impeached, this is why he was criminally indicted. If your, it's, if your record and your testimony today should show us anything, it should show you, in my opinion, that you should not be confirmed to this job.

Sen. Lee (UT)3:56:39 – 3:58:07

Thank you, Senator Booker. Before I commence with my questions, um, I've been asked by Chairman Grassley, uh, to enter something into the record. Uh, on behalf of, uh, Senator Grassley, I'd like to enter into the record a red letter supporting Mister Blanch's nomination. This is from the Newark Police Superior Officers Association, which represents the leaders of the Newark, New Jersey Police Department. The letter touts Mister Blanch's experience, character, temperament and leadership. It goes on to state, " Mr. Blanch has consistently demonstrated an unwavering commitment to the rule of law, the fair administration of justice, and the constitutional rights afforded to every citizen, including the due process rights of law enforcement officers. Throughout his distinguished legal career, he has earned a reputation for integrity, professionalism, sound judgment, and respect for the rule of law. These qualities are essential for the nation's chief law enforcement officer." close quote. Without objection, I will enter this into the record. Mister, Mister Blanch, um, at the outset, earlier you were asked by one of my colleagues about the settlement agreement, and about the definition of some of the terms. Now, as I've been going through that, uh, uh, uh, it seems to me that some of those terms were defined earlier in the agreement, albeit not in the, in the uh, section of the agreement that you were shown on the board. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:58:08 – 3:58:09

Yes, Senator.

Sen. Lee (UT)3:58:09 – 3:58:15

And, uh, uh, those make a difference. Do they not, to the nature of the question asked to you?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:58:15 – 3:58:17

Yes, of course, yes.

Sen. Lee (UT)3:58:17 – 3:58:23

You have no reason to believe that the so-called weaponization fund will continue because of the settlement agreement. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)3:58:24 – 3:58:25

I am confident it will not.

Sen. Lee (UT)3:58:25 – 4:00:57

Great. Now, d- during the previous administration, we saw an unprecedented an unfortunate weaponization of the US Department of Justice, an institution near and mere dear to my heart as I know it is to yours, and an institution that's got a a long and storied reputation for impartiality. Public trust in law enforcement plummeted as a result. That should concern every member of this committee and indeed every American. The Arctic Frost investigation swept up more than four hundred Republican-aligned groups and individuals with blanket investigations, phishing expeditions in some instances, designed to intimidate and silence conservative voices or anyone deemed not favorable to President Biden and those who served with him. Investigators even violated the sanctity of Congress, uh, in a a brazen move, uh, that tramples on all sorts of protections, including the fundamental separation of powers. As Chairman Grassley's investigation continues, Just yesterday, we learned that Jack Smith's team bypassed a required filter review and directly accessed the text, not meta-data, not information about who texted who and what time they did so, but, but the actual content, the substantive content of texts of forty-four members of Congress, six of them, on the Senate Judiciary Committee. All without notice in a baseless fishing expedition. This was un-American and it comes uncomfortably close to spying on a co-equal, coordinate branch of the US government. As you know, protecting individual liberty and our constitutional rights is a top priority of mine. I appreciated your testimony in May before the CJS appropriation subcommittee, in which you called the secret collection of phone records from a dozen members of Congress, quote, " the worst form of abuse", close quote. I sponsored the bipartisan, uh, NDO legislation long before Arctic frost, and I believe this must be fixed, no matter who holds the presidency in a way that protects all Americans. In fact, this uh uh calls upon us, is underscores the need to pass that NDO reform measure. What steps have you already taken, uh, in your capacity as Deputy Attorney General and now Acting Attorney General? And what reforms do you plan in the future to end these practices and this trend of weaponization within the department?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:00:57 – 4:02:09

Uh, thank you, Senator. Well, there's a number of things we're doing. Most significantly, it's it's getting materials together and and being transparent with this body and this committee like we did um recently with the emails that you just referenced. Because one of the best ways that we can make sure we never do again what we did um before, is by exposing ourselves and and letting the American people see what we did. Um, we're also taking steps to um to to right the wrongs. So That means again, going back and issuing reports and and issuing findings and conclusions, ar- around um not only what the Department of Justice did at times, but other agencies within the executive, and and and calling ourselves, holding ourselves to account that um we shouldn't do it again. And and the the most important thing, and and it's come up a lot today, but it is just having prosecutors prosecute bad guys. And so it's it's getting prosecutors out of DC and into US Attorney's offices, and and unleashing them to do what they should be doing and what they should have been doing for the past four years as well, which is tackling the drug, the drug um pandemic and epidemic we have in this country, going after the fraudsters. And that's the best way to make sure that the next department of justice continues doing the right thing and not the wrong thing.

Sen. Lee (UT)4:02:10 – 4:04:05

That's wonderful. I mean, sometimes uh when you're doing the things that are not supposed to be done, you're not doing the things that are supposed to be done. I appreciate your efforts in that regard. On another topic, federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections. Separately, a law called the National Voter Registration Act of nineteen ninety-three, sometimes known as the NVRA, requires, among other things, that the states keep their voter registration files clean, removing voters who have died, who have become ineligible, and to make those maintenance records available for public inspection. The Department of Justice has relied on that disclosure requirement uh to request state voter rolls and to confirm compliance with this mandate in the NVRA among the states. But, a number of states have refused. And when the Department of Justice has sued in order to correct this problem, some federal courts uh, ha- have issued rulings indicating that the NVRA doesn't clearly authorize the NVRA. Uh, the, uh, the NVRA doesn't clearly authorize the, the, the, this kind of compelled production of the complete voter registration files. So the department is thus left without a reliable, viable enforcement tool, even where non-compliance might be staring us in the face, as it is in some jurisdictions. Put simply, non-citizens can't legally vote. But a number of these states, uh, mmm, blue states more than others, are doing everything they can to prevent the Department of Justice from enforcing the law. Uh, in the meantime, we've got an interpretation of the, of other provisions of the NVRA that have made it, uh, uh, in tandem with this other problem, virtually impossible to enforce the law prohibiting non-citizen voting in federal elections. In your view, would the Save America Act give the Department of Justice clear authority in its efforts to protect the sanctity and security of those elections?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:04:05 – 4:04:07

Yes, absolutely. Yes.

Sen. Lee (UT)4:04:07 – 4:04:29

Thank you. I, I, I appreciate that very much. This is a very important issue. Now, under your leadership, The Department of Justice, Fraud Enforcement has seen some real success. You've got a lot of success stories under your belt already. Can you describe how you're leading that effort in the department to combat citizen fraud, healthcare fraud, and fraud in taxpayer funded programs and organizations?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:04:30 – 4:06:19

Yes, we're making it a a high priority. We're working with the White House and and the anti-fraud task force, and and unleashing, again, having prosecutors focus on fraud. And so that means working with inspectors general, That means working with the FBI, DHS, um, to, to get these cases, take them to prosecutors. The fraud division itself is being built up. We've already had tremendous success just in the past, um, four weeks in, in recovering billions of dollars, um, that, that had been stolen from, from the FISC. And this is work that, that is just starting. We've always done fraud cases. This isn't a new thing for the Department of Justice to do. But the focus on these fraud cases and the focus on every US attorney having multiple focused on going after fraud cases is something new, and and it's something that that is important to President Trump and it should be important to everybody uh not a Republican or Democrat issue at all and and that's why we're doing it shifting gears a little tell us just very briefly about what the department's doing under your leadership to protect children from predators. Uh it's listen there is no greater responsibility prosecutors have than than protecting our most vulnerable and so we we recently stood up, um I have a leader, she's here today um running our our task forces going after any sort of human trafficking or child predators uh in those cases making sure we're coordinated we are again focusing aus on going after these cases we've seen multiple investigations leading to prosecutions and even multiple sentences at this point um starting since um since we first took office um over a year ago and and again this is about spending resources where they should be spent so instead of spending time in d. c. working on cases that we really have no business working on. We are out in the field protecting, protecting our victims, protecting children, and going after the the predators that are in every community, and and putting them in federal prison.

Sen. Lee (UT)4:06:20 – 4:06:47

I'd like to turn now briefly to to section seven O two of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act uh FISA seven O two. Uh, and I want to address some of the repeated claims made by some of my colleagues, that our intelligence collection under seven O two would go dark, uh when the statute uh uh lapsed as of uh midnight on june twelfth as you know section seven O two operates under a uh uh under a year-long certifications uh approved annually by the FISA court is that correct

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:06:48 – 4:06:50

yes that's correct

Sen. Lee (UT)4:06:49 – 4:06:55

and and the government most recently obtained approval of its seven O two certifications in march of this year is that correct

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:06:55 – 4:06:56

it did yes

Sen. Lee (UT)4:06:56 – 4:07:00

so those certifications remain valid until they expire right

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:07:00 – 4:07:01

correct

Sen. Lee (UT)4:07:01 – 4:07:05

and they don't expire until midnight on march sixteenth of twenty twenty seven is that correct

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:07:05 – 4:07:06

that is correct

Sen. Lee (UT)4:07:06 – 4:07:16

ok So, i- i- in the event that the telecommunications providers don't comply, the FISA court can and would compel compliance and impose fines. Isn't that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:07:16 – 4:07:17

We would certainly try. Yeah.

Sen. Lee (UT)4:07:17 – 4:08:04

Yes, we would come. Thank you. Um, I, I wanna echo briefly, um, what my colleague, uh, uh, Senator Coons, uh, Coons has commented with regard to the Saper S, Saper Supervision Act, uh, to ensure that supervised release is focused on those who need it, promoting both efficiency and public safety. So thanks for your comments on that. I really appreciated those. Um, uh, and then, uh, also, you know, some of my colleagues have have mentioned a recent court order, um, in the case regarding the leak of President Trump's tax returns and the ensuing settlement. Responding to that opinion, uh, w- was there any improper coordination of any kind between the Department of Justice and the Trump team as to this settlement?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:08:05 – 4:08:06

No, not at all.

Sen. Lee (UT)4:08:06 – 4:08:19

OK. So, in fact, the the case itself was settled uh based on an apology without any compensation being awarded, without the president receiving a penny. Isn't that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:08:19 – 4:08:30

Correct, and completely consistent with the federal rural civil procedure forty-one, which absolutely allows what happened here to happen. It happens in hundreds if not thousands of cases around the country every year.

Sen. Lee (UT)4:08:30 – 4:08:33

For any entity, whether it's the US government or otherwise,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:08:44 – 4:08:53

Thank you uh, Mr. Chairman. Uh, Mr. Blanch, uh welcome. Do you believe every human life is sacred?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:08:54 – 4:08:55

Can you repeat that, Senator? Sorry.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:08:55 – 4:08:57

Do you believe that every human life is sacred?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:08:58 – 4:08:58

Yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:08:59 – 4:09:54

Uh, so do I. Uh. know my, a lot of my colleagues have uh made remarks about our uh uh colleague who recently passed. This last week we've also seen Lorenzo Salgado Araujo fatally shot by an ICE agent during an enforcement operation in Houston. Earlier this week, Juan Sebastian Guerrero was killed in another fatal ICE involved shooting in Maine. Uh, I'm not here to debate uh immigration policy or em- how immigration enforcement has been uh, conducted by this administration. My questions are specific to law enforcement policy and best practices. Given that these are officer-involved shootings, federal officer-involved shootings, what should the, what role should the Department of Justice play in ensuring independent and transparent review and investigations over these incidents?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:09:55 – 4:10:19

It depends on the agency that, well, that the law enforcement officer was a member of. So if it's a fia agent as opposed to a um an ice agent or an hsi agent and the role that we should play depends it depends on the conduct normally each agency has their own procedures for investigating any type of shooting um and and usually involves their um inspector general um or an internal office at some point along the way the d.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:10:17 – 4:10:27

so uh i don't wanna cut you off too too quickly here but i wanna come back to that point but first ask uh should there should state and local law enforcement be involved

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:10:19 – 4:10:22

o. j. may play a role sure sure

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:10:27 – 4:10:31

in ensuring that there is an independent investigation in these incidents.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:10:31 – 4:10:40

I mean, it it depends. I think there's a lot of times when state and local some should definitely be involved, but I don't think unequivocally state and local have to be involved for independence. Of course not.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:10:40 – 4:11:23

Here's the bottom line why I'm asking these two questions. Because in prior incidents, you referenced Minnesota earlier in your testimony, Alex Preddy and Rene Good were also fatally shot. Um. And as far as we can tell, it's been months and months, there's been no justice in these cases. Far as I can tell, those officers were not fired, they have not faced any charges, so it does um undermine any confidence anybody should have in the Department of Homeland Security's ability, through the Inspector General or otherwise, to investigate its own. So I come back to the question, what should the role of the Department of Justice be, when there's federally officer involved shootings?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:11:24 – 4:11:35

Well, I very much disagree with the statement you just made. The mere passage of time between um January and today doesn't mean there's no justice. It doesn't mean that there's no so these investigations do take time.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:11:33 – 4:11:33

No.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:11:35 – 4:11:45

And as Senator Klobuchar talked about, um, and and and it's her state, um, we are, we meaning the federal government, have worked with the state and locals in that case.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:11:43 – 4:12:17

Uh, I I do wanna move on to other issues, but here's what I see. I mean, no justice, clear justice, and I get investigations take time, but no justice Uh, in those two cases, what we have seen is people continuing to die, not just in detention facilities, but on the streets of America. Next topic. Um, coming back to January sixth. There've been several of my colleagues who've asked about the the quote unquote, uh, slush fund. Do you personally believe that someone who's forced, who forcibly entered the US Capitol, assaulted law enforcement, should be rewarded with taxpayer money? Yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:12:17 – 4:12:30

I'd i can't answer yes or no but if you want the answer i think that the the fund that doesn't exist anymore set up parameters where no somebody that you just described would likely not recover funds

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:12:29 – 4:13:05

which which brings me to my other point cause several members have asked and i know senator till is specifically focused on the weaponization slush fund and language versus declarations versus appropriations bills on how to undo this i also need to be clear that january sixteenths cannot should not be able to seek payouts from other sources, including the federal tort claims act. Do you commit to vigorously defending taxpayer money from being paid out to january sixth writers, those who were convicted of their involvement with january sixth regardless of the source of funding from the department of justice?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:13:06 – 4:13:17

You're talking about a a statute that exists and allows anybody to seek um to to file a suit against the united states so i can tell you we always vigorously defend our cases, um but i i can't

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:13:18 – 4:13:33

But we know this, we know this is an hypothetical. Uh, there's been at least four letters that I've signed on to, along with Senators Durbin, Klobuchar and Whitehouse who asked earlier about the status of January sixth rioters seeking payouts from their apartment. When can we expect responses to those letters?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:13:35 – 4:13:41

When you say status, you mean those that have filed cases in court? I don't know what that means.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:13:41 – 4:13:46

Yeah, status of their their uh request for payouts being reviewed, approved or not.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:13:47 – 4:13:57

i i think anybody including um january sixth defendants can file a claim under the federal towards claims act and i think some of them have those cases are ongoing they're publicly available on ecf

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:13:58 – 4:14:20

and i know some people would suggest well they've all been pardoned for uh their crimes on january sixth so this may be fair game are you aware that at least ninety seven january sixers have been accused of new crimes since january sixth twenty twenty one including violent crimes by the way, child molestation, et cetera, that sounds like the worst of the worst to me.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:14:21 – 4:14:33

Um, I if if anybody commits a crime, they should be investigated, arrested and prosecuted. So if you're talking about people that committed federal crimes, and they happen to have been pardoned before, they should be arrested and prosecuted. Yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:14:33 – 4:14:59

Well, I look I look forward to that as well, and uh, we'll follow up in questions for the record. Um, Mister Blanch, during our courtesy meeting a few weeks ago, you said that independence of the department was a misnomer in the context of the department of justice because the president sets policies uh and priorities, and your view, the department of justice must enforce the law in a way that carries out the president's goals. Do you recall that conversation?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:15:00 – 4:15:03

Yeah, I definitely did not say that, but nice try.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:15:02 – 4:15:08

Okay. No, that's exactly what I recall from our conversation, so I wanna be on the record saying I disagree.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:15:07 – 4:15:09

Oh, I'm happy to tell you what I said if uh to help your recollection.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:15:09 – 4:15:12

Park, so so the department of justice should be independent or not?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:15:13 – 4:15:25

i think the as i said earlier the department of justice is under the executive branch if confirmed i will be member of the president's cabinet so absolutely my obligation is the american people and the rule of law

Sen. Lee (UT)4:15:23 – 4:15:24

ok

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:15:25 – 4:15:26

so we'll talk about the if

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:15:26 – 4:15:29

but that being said i am a member of the of the cabinet of the president united states

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:15:27 – 4:16:34

we'll we'll talk about the if confirmed in a minute but let me also point out the department of justice own website states right on the homepage that what the department's core missions is independence and impartiality So, let me bring a specific example. Last fall, President Trump issued a statement for National Domestic Violence Awareness Month, where he said, quote, " I am steadfastly devoted to uplifting survivors of domestic violence and ensuring they know they are never alone and that help and support are always within reach." End quote. Sounds like a statement that we'd all agree with. But, the Office of Violence Against Women is a vital component of the Department of Justice. that administers grants to organizations that provide services for victims of domestic violence sexual assault dating violence and stalking and provides critical resources to organizations that support victims yes or no are you aware that the uh office is substantially delayed in notifying grant recipients of awards that were intended to begin october first of last year

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:16:35 – 4:16:44

we are rolling grants out on a rolling basis and continue to do so, we will continue to do so. We didn't have the grants authorized till January of this year. Um, so.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:16:44 – 4:16:55

And it's now July, it's been six months. Next yes or no question. Are you aware that as a result of the delays, many organizations have been forced to lay off staff and reduce services for domestic violence victims yes or no?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:16:55 – 4:16:56

I am not aware of that, no.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:16:57 – 4:17:12

OK. Uh, we're happy to provide you uh information and and cases. Are you aware that many notices of many notices of funding opportunities for the fiscal year twenty-six have yet to be posted for grants that are supposed to begin on October first of this year.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:17:13 – 4:17:24

Um, I know that we are posting, that we are caught up from the last fiscal year, the budget wasn't approved until January of this year, we had to finish last year's first, we're putting them out every single day.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:17:23 – 4:17:41

Again, it's been six months, are you aware that multiple congressional offices from both sides of the aisle, this is not partisan, on a bipartisan basis have reached out to the office about delays and have not been given any concrete timeline despite the real and substantial impact that these delays are having on domestic violence services.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:17:41 – 4:17:50

That's not true. I've testified publicly about it on multiple occasions and we have given a timeline. I just gave you the timeline today, which is that we're doing it every day on a rolling basis.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:17:50 – 4:17:50

Well this

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:17:50 – 4:17:53

We're caught up to last year's and we're moving forward and we anticipate

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:17:51 – 4:17:57

So I'd like to see a more specific schedule so that organizations in California and every other state for that matter,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:17:53 – 4:17:55

having all of them done by the end of this fiscal year.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:17:57 – 4:19:32

can know when to anticipate when to expect their funding. I know my time is running out, let me just uh end with this. Mr. Blanchett's duty of the Attorney General of the United States to quote " operate free from partisan consideration and protect citizens' rights to equal justice." But what I've heard today fails to inspire much confidence in your ability to carry out that duty or to put federal law before loyalty to the president. I add to that um facts from the judiciary. district courts in thirty-one cases uh have uh recognized that the administration has violated court rulings. The Solicitor General refuses to rule out refusing to abide by court rulings that they, this circuit court rulings that they disagree with. In immigration cases alone, the administration has admitted violating uh court orders in the District of New Jersey alone more than fifty times. This does not sound like a department of justice. The American people deserve better. And and you know, a lot of nominees come before us and say, well, if I'm fortunate enough to be confirmed then this or that. I'm not buying that. I know you're not confirmed for the top spot. You're acting at the top spot. You were the number two from nearly the beginning of the term. Yes, a lot of this accountability falls on your shoulders. The American people deserve an Attorney General who put the Constitution above political retribution. Uh, I don't think you're fit for this job. Thank you, Mister Chair.

Sen. Lee (UT)4:19:34 – 4:20:25

We'll go next to Senator Modi. Before we do that, I've been asked by Senator Grassley, uh, the Chairman, to enter into the record, uh, a letter supporting Mister Blanch's nomination from the United Coalition of Public Safety, which represents many of the nation's largest law enforcement organizations and tens of thousands of law enforcement officers across the country. The letter highlights both Mister Blanch's qualifications to serve as Attorney General and his unique quote, uh, his unique approach to the criminal justice system. It states quote, "We believe Mister Blanch will serve with honor, fairness, and a steadfastness, uh, a steadfast commitment to the rule of law. His leadership will undoubtedly enhance collaboration between law enforcement and the Department of Justice, ensuring that our communities remain safe while reinforcing public confidence in our own system." Without objection, this letter will be admitted into the rec- record, and Senator Moody, you're recognized.

Sen. Moody (FL)4:20:26 – 4:20:32

Thank you, Mister Chairman. Uh, good to see, good to see you again and good to talk with you about your nomination,

Sen. Lee (UT)4:20:31 – 4:20:31

You too.

Sen. Moody (FL)4:20:33 – 4:21:05

uh, Mister Blanch. Um, and and everything that I warned about in my introduction seems to be proving true, that good faith and nuance is just gonna be thrown out the door as a price to be paid for, clicks and tweets and, um, promotion of some partisan agenda today, because I, now quote from one of my colleagues, they said to you, " Protecting one man for most of your career. Would you define your career as uh protecting one man, Mister Blanch, and if not, why not?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:21:06 – 4:21:36

Uh, I mean absolutely not. I mean, I am a prosecutor, I'm a career prosecutor. I started out as an intern, um, down the street at the Department of Justice. I was a paralegal, I was a law clerk, when I was representing President Trump, I had other clients as well. Um, so the the the fact that I represented um President Trump for a period of time under two years does not define my career, nor does it define me. I should be defined by the work that I did as a prosecutor and by the work that I've done leading this department um since March of last year.

Sen. Moody (FL)4:21:37 – 4:28:08

I think one of the true um crises that we face as a nation right now, and you can pick the subject matter at which this would apply, but the American people who are supposed to be where the power lies in this country. It was how our government was set up. It was a government to serve them and force them, first and foremost, to protect their rights. And as part of that, even our founding father said, " In order to do that, you have to have a government that effectuates safety." And so I truly believe that your agency is one of the most important in our government structure for those reasons, because you have the responsibility of all of that. And one of the really, the, the most serious challenge I see facing our nation right now is that the people don't trust that Washington is indeed working for them, or being accountable to them, or being, um, serving their interests first. And I just came from a hearing where you had, uh, Nick Shirley, James O'Keefe. You really don't a partisan swath of uh witnesses testifying about fraud in this country. And I think, you know, this administration is making announcement after announcement, you yourself are making announcement after announcement, the extent of fraud that has been uncovered. And I commended Nick Shirley, and this is a young, he described himself as an independent journalist, but he started out disrupting, you know, young at like fifteen weddings, I wanna say. And I think that spirit of challenging the status quo or formality has really driven him to disrupt. What I think the American people believe is a bureaucracy historically that has not only be- maybe because of its size, maybe because personnel in there aren't too quick to want to uncover, but has really, uh, been not inclined, complacent, or is set up to not uncover and really go after some of this fraud. And I have been astounded by the amount that this administration has uncovered. And I commend people like Nick Shirley and James O'Keefe that have been out there because they're American citizens and they believe that their government owes them accountability and stewardship of taxpayer money. Uh, first and foremost, and he said, " I can't believe that for so long nobody paid attention to this." And we're seeing just Fraud that is just um something that we haven't imagined. And I'm really proud of this administration and the DOJ, specifically under your leadership for setting up a specific division now, to go after these things that are raised. Um, I've and and the results speak for themselves. I mean, you've established a new National Fraud Enforcement Division, charged with comprehensive approach to rooting out fraud. We just saw a twenty twenty six national healthcare fraud take down, where you charged four hundred and fifty five defendants in connection with schemes involving more than six point five billion in fraud. I believe we brought together the most states and territories ever in the history of the department's existence in going after fraud. That was all under your leadership. And this administration, and I think that delivers a remarkable message, not only to the people out there committing these, this fraud against the American taxpayer and really against the next generation that's gonna inherit this. I mean, I'm a mother of a teenager right now. I feel terrible that they're going to inherit all of this because before we can have, before Biden ever pushed out swaths of money that went to corruption and fraud, an American taxpayer had to earn it. Or we had to borrow it on the backs of our next generation. And so I am proud of the department saying enough is enough, the free ride is over, we are digging in, we're gonna take, not only are we just gonna, you know, talk about it, we're gonna actually show you what we're doing and we're gonna create an entire different division. I think it speaks volumes that you have the new head of your fraud division with you today in the audience. Think America should know that. That didn't exist before, you. I would like for you to tell the American people right now a little bit about that, because I have to tell you. When some of these states learned about this fraud going on, when Nick Shirley showed up and exposed some of this insane fraud that was happening right under state administration government's noses, the reaction from state leadership and the governor of um Minnesota called Shirley far far right delusional conspiracy theorist maybe because he campaigned on these small businesses that were set up with that money so that the American people like, " We are growing small businesses. Make me your vice president." Maybe that's why he had to knock Nick Shirley down a notch. Governor Newsom came out and said, "slow surely is the fraud." He he tried to ridicule and demean this twenty-four year old kid who was just uncovering fraud and these are chief executives of states. So I'd like for you to explain what you're doing differently. Because right now I just came from a hearing where not one Democrat was in the room to ask these, this bipartisan witness panel about the fraud that's happening, or what we could do about it. Not one Democrat was in the room. And we've got elected officials around the state, when people are trying to bring it to their attention, calling out the the people bringing it to their attention, and not only that, trying to pass legislation to stop them uncovering it. In California they have a Stop Nick Shirley Act, which should be called the Protect Fraudsters Act, I assume. But tell us what you're doing different and how you're gonna work to uncover and root out and go against criminals in these states, where these elected officials are complicit. maybe aiding and abetting, because they're going after the people that are trying to raise the issues.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:28:09 – 4:28:59

Uh, yes, so, before we talk about California and Minnesota, it's worth talking about states that are working with us. So places like Florida, places like Ohio, where we're working closely with the local government, getting um information about individuals who are uh who are committing fraud, applying for money from the federal governments where the state serves as a pass through. And what what President Trump and and the Vice President did um, um last fall was said enough is enough we need we need an all out government approach to combat fraud and and so part of that is our new fraud division and and the work that they're doing is is exactly what you just described and and some of the stuff that nick surely has uncovered has been incredible but it's going into these states and and and identifying at this point just low hanging fruit so fraudsters that have set up um daycare centers that have set up um autism centers

Sen. Moody (FL)4:28:59 – 4:29:01

and layering centers Make sense.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:29:01 – 4:29:02

Learning centers,

Sen. Moody (FL)4:29:02 – 4:29:02

Hearing.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:29:02 – 4:29:03

hearing centers,

Sen. Moody (FL)4:29:03 – 4:29:03

Hearing.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:29:03 – 4:30:44

everything, and all they're doing, and and there's there's no patience. They're just collecting money, um, for off the backs of taxpayers. And then you have, it's true, the governor of Minnesota, um, did nothing but obstruct our efforts month after month. And then when we did a take-down and we executed a law enforcement action on a given day, he hopped on to X and said he was happy to partner with us. Um, he's not partnering with us. He's not working with us. And so that that's very disappointing. The same thing with the governor of California, where the amount of fraud that's being stolen out of um the generosity of taxpayers around this country is in the billions of dollars. But listen, but but not without talking about that, um what is the what we can say that it's extraordinarily positive is that we have arrested um hundreds and hundreds of fraudsters just this year alone, and we got a lot more to do between now and the end of the year. And that's the work of again our federal agents, our inspector generals, um, DHS, HSI working with us, FBI, and, and then our prosecutors who are now, have been given full authority and have been unleashed to, to tackle this problem. There is no fraud too small. Colin McDonald says it, and, and it's right. If you commit, um, one thousand and one dollars of fraud, you should expect to go to federal prison. And we're going after the biggest fraudsters and the smallest fraudsters, because any dollar that's, that's taken, uh, inappropriately is something that, this Department of Justice won't tolerate. Um, so it's a it's a big effort and and it's gonna take a lot of work. We're hiring a lot of prosecutors, we're using a lot of AUSAs around the country, but I expect that we'll continue to see the results that we're already seeing. So thank you very much for the work that you guys have done as well to to help facilitate our success there.

Sen. Moody (FL)4:30:44 – 4:30:45

Thank you, Mr. Blant.

Sen. Grassley (IA)4:30:45 – 4:30:46

Senator Welch.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:30:47 – 4:31:04

Uh, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very much, uh, Deputy Attorney General. I wanna talk to you a little bit about the anti-weaponization fund. Uh, just by way of background, you've had a long standing relationship, of course, with President Trump. Uh, served as his, uh, personal, uh, criminal attorney, right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:31:06 – 4:31:08

I met him for the first time a couple years ago.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:31:09 – 4:31:16

Right. And in the course of your, uh, representation as a president, you earned over nine million dollars. Correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:31:17 – 4:31:21

Well, my, my law firm was paid that much. I had six or seven lawyers.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:31:20 – 4:31:23

Well, that was, that was in your financial disclosures.

Sen. Grassley (IA)4:31:21 – 4:31:21

Mm-hmm.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:31:24 – 4:31:25

i don't have a problem if you

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:31:25 – 4:31:29

no i i did i was paid it sorry i wasn't but i'm saying it went to my law firm i had employees

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:31:27 – 4:32:19

right right uh it it it's been raised that you have a close relationship with the president but you're entitled to that and the president is entitled to appoint as attorney general a person in whom he has some trust so that's not an issue for me but on the anti-weaponization fund uh there is the question of whether a president who is suing the taxpayers, the IRS, for ten billion dollars, and where his formerly personal lawyer is representing the taxpayers, is there a conflict of interest? And my understanding is that before you actually, uh, got here, you did get ethics training when you were, uh, after you were acting a dep- a deputy attorney general, correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:32:20 – 4:32:20

Yes.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:32:21 – 4:32:31

And my understanding is that you were advised that you should not be engaged in matters that affected President Trump in his individual capacity. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:32:32 – 4:32:40

No, I'm not sure what your understanding is based upon, but no. Well, I was, there's very clear ethics rules that I, I have, was required to follow that I do follow.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:32:39 – 4:32:45

It's, it's, it's based on a letter from Mister Terrell, and you've received normal ethics training,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:32:44 – 4:32:45

Yes.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:32:45 – 4:32:57

and normal ethics includes that you do not represent someone with whom you have been uh representing them before. In a personal matter, right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:32:57 – 4:33:02

I'm not trying to get uber technical, but there are very technical rules around the ethics requirements and I follow them.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:33:00 – 4:33:08

Look, let me Alright. Well, maybe you could provide us with what the ethical materials were that we provided.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:33:06 – 4:33:08

I can tell you right now if you're interested.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:33:08 – 4:33:24

What I'd like you to do is send us the materials. Let me go on. If you had an issue, there was a dispute involving say Paramount. would you have a lawyer from the Justice Department who owned nine million dollars in stock negotiate on behalf of the government? with that company?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:33:26 – 4:33:32

Uh, it it depends on the as long as there is an ethical and no reason there was no conflict then lawyers

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:33:31 – 4:33:45

So if I had nine million dollars in stock with Paramount I'm representing the people, there's an adverse relationship, adversarial relationship, you'd let me negotiate on behalf of the people when the outcome of those negotiations would have a

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:33:45 – 4:33:46

If you

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:33:45 – 4:33:47

impact on my stock price.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:33:47 – 4:33:54

Sorry, I just wanna understand your hypo. If it, if a lawyer for the Department of Justice has nine million in paramount stock, they should not be on that case.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:33:54 – 4:33:54

Right.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:33:54 – 4:33:55

I agree. Yes.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:33:55 – 4:34:14

OK. And you know, what happened here with the president that's so mystifying to many of us, it would be analogous if the governor of Vermont sued the department of taxes for ten billion dollars. And we don't appoint attorney generals, but in New Hampshire they do, but let's say we did. And the governor is formerly personal attorney.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:34:14 – 4:34:15

There's no comparison between.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:34:14 – 4:34:37

Let me let me finish my question. This, the governor sues the Department of Taxes for ten billion. His former personal attorney, he's who's now he's appointed attorney general, negotiates with the Department of Taxes and ends up settling by setting up a fund, in the control essentially of the governor, for one point seven seven six billion. That doesn't sound fishy to you?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:34:38 – 4:34:45

Well, the way, the hypo you just described, um, I don't think it's appropriate to use the word fishy, it's either ethical or not ethical,

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:34:44 – 4:34:45

Well, you know what,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:34:45 – 4:34:45

and there's no

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:34:46 – 4:35:03

Vermonters would just say it stinks. I mean that is truly bizarre, that the chief executive gets his appointed person who was formerly his personal attorney to negotiate on his behalf, where at the end of the day taxpayers are gonna pay, so I'll just leave it at that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:02 – 4:35:09

But the other thing I'll correct though, is you used the word as if I negotiated, I wasn't part of the negotiation, which I've said before,

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:08 – 4:35:09

Your department is.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:09 – 4:35:09

so

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:10 – 4:35:13

you had to sign off on it that's that's that is your signature

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:10 – 4:35:15

yes that's true yes that is my signature

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:14 – 4:35:24

so whether i mean look you're at the top of the pile here so you don't get involved in all the phone calls and all the details but at the end of the day you have to do due diligence and satisfy yourself

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:17 – 4:35:18

yes

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:24 – 4:35:27

that you in good faith can sign off on the agreement

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:27 – 4:35:27

correct

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:27 – 4:35:31

and you did so that is your responsibility and i'm sure you accept that

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:28 – 4:35:33

yes oh i do have a responsibility to forward i agree with that yes

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:32 – 4:35:52

that's right alright and you know Let's talk about the pardons. I understand the president, any president has total authority to pardon anyone he or she wants. And that includes commuting sentences and including and it includes restoration of gun rights.

Sen. Grassley (IA)4:35:51 – 4:35:53

Uh, we need to get we need more answers.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:53 – 4:35:55

You know who Liz Oyer is.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:56 – 4:35:57

Yes.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:57 – 4:35:58

And you know who Mel Gibson is.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:35:58 – 4:35:59

Yes.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:35:59 – 4:37:02

Alright, Mel Gibson was convict convicted of domestic violence. What he did was he punched his then girlfriend in the teeth, threatened her with a gun, while she had their infant in her arms. Now, it's the president's decision he can restore mister Gu- Gibson's gun rights. That's not your decision. But my understanding is you had a pardoned attorney, who when requests were made to restore gun rights to domestic abusers. They'd be vetted. Mental health issues, other issues, and that's because five hundred percent increase in homicide rates of uh domestic abusers who have guns. You asked, or you you're one of your people asked, Liz Oyer to provide a letter that basically said, " OK, we can restore his gun rights." Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:37:05 – 4:37:11

i that happened the day i was starting um i know miss oyer has claimed that that

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:37:09 – 4:37:12

it was two days it was two days after

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:37:12 – 4:37:22

that i know that miss oyer has claimed that that had anything to do with her firing i didn't even know that i know nothing about mel gibson or that letter when i fired her nothing

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:37:23 – 4:37:24

so so why did you fire her

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:37:25 – 4:37:27

for a number of reasons for one her

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:37:27 – 4:37:28

were there two days

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:37:29 – 4:37:42

yes for a number of reasons um it had nothing to do with mel gibson um the decisions that she had made as Pardon of Attorney in the weeks and months leading up to the end of President Biden's term, were completely inconsistent with President Trump's authority,

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:37:42 – 4:37:42

Mister

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:37:42 – 4:37:48

including recommending commuting every single individual on death row, which even President Biden didn't do.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:37:48 – 4:37:57

Right. I'll let I'll let the the American be, and Americans be the jury of whether that sounds right. But two days after you were there, she got fired.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:37:56 – 4:37:56

It is right.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:37:58 – 4:38:19

She was told to do a letter that was basically gonna validate the decision the president had made to restore gun rights to a man who sma- smashed his girlfriend's mouth th- there with a gun and uh uh did it with the with her holding their infant

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:38:19 – 4:38:21

And had nothing to do with why she was fired by the way,

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:38:21 – 4:38:21

right

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:38:21 – 4:38:22

nothing.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:38:21 – 4:38:50

now my the what also is documented is that she was gonna testify uh here in congress before a round table and people were dispatched federal marshals to go to her home at night it turns out she was not there her eleven year old son was there alone and fortunately at the very last minute that access to her house or that that the trip to her house was cancelled

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:38:50 – 4:38:55

that's not true i mean if you want me to answer with the truth i can

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:38:53 – 4:38:57

what part of it what part of it is not true

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:38:57 – 4:39:15

um when when we learned that she was going to testify privileged communications like we do anytime a former employee is gonna violate their ethical duties we drafted a letter we tried to serve that letter on our via email, we tried to contact her, she would not answer her phone, so the way the department of justice serves people

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:39:12 – 4:39:12

OK.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:39:15 – 4:39:18

in every case is with deputy united states marshals.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:39:17 – 4:39:18

Alright. Alright.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:39:18 – 4:39:21

We endeavored to do that and then she accepted service.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:39:20 – 4:39:41

Alright. OK. Oh thank you, I'll go on. Kash Patel, I do wanna go back to my colleague, Senator Weiss. has some concern i have concerns about him because of the reports about his drinking about the incredibly bad morale there but i'm not gonna ask you on that you are a supervisor so obviously you have some responsibility to be reviewing this behavior

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:39:41 – 4:39:44

i don't think he has any issues drinking he has no issues with morale there

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:39:41 – 4:40:35

but ok alright well let me here is what is very clear he was at the white house for eight hours and this is after a report came out in the new york times they talked about the four hundred million dollar qatari plane that was air force one not having certain uh uh deceptive uh defensive capabilities and issued subpoenas to reporters demanding that they turn over their news sources. I happen to believe it's extremely important to protect the right of the press, to have confidential sources in order to get out information that is absolutely in the public interest. Do you support mister pite- mister uh p- Patel's efforts uh to subpoena and and and get reporters under the grill to disclose who their confidential sources are.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:40:35 – 4:40:47

The Department of Justice requires that I authorize it, which I did, and those reporters, we're not targeting reporters, they're material witnesses, just like a reporter would be a material witness to a car crash.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:40:47 – 4:40:48

Yeah, but w-

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:40:47 – 4:40:49

They are witnesses, and so j-

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:40:49 – 4:40:56

And the question you wanna ask them is who were their sources. That goes to the heart of the First Amendment.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:40:55 – 4:41:06

No, no. No, the question we wanna ask them is who provided them with classified national security information which everybody in this body should wanna protect. I would hope.

Sen. Grassley (IA)4:41:08 – 4:41:09

Senator Hawley.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:41:11 – 4:41:13

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Blanch, good to see you.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:41:14 – 4:41:14

You too, Senator.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:41:14 – 4:41:18

You're ge- you're getting towards the end here. Are you uh still sure you want this job?

Sen. Grassley (IA)4:41:20 – 4:41:20

I do, Senator.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:41:20 – 4:42:54

Good, all right, good, good. Well, that was a rhetorical question, but I'm but I'm glad the answer is yes. I wanna start with uh Jack Smith and the latest revelations of his illegalities, which seem to have no end. I mean, listen. I I've had my text messages, did have my text messages by him scooped up red, who knows what he did with them. I've had my cell phone monitored. He tracked my incoming calls, my outgoing calls. He tracked my metadata. He tracked my location. I mean, Lord knows what else. The part that really offends me though is that he didn't just do it to me and members of Congress. He did it to ordinary Americans. I've had Missourians come to me and say, " I had FBI agents show up at my door, knock on my door and say, were you in Washington DC in January of twenty twenty one?" These are people who did nothing wrong. They weren't even here. They come to me and they said, " What what is going on? What am I gonna do? I can't afford an attorney." What really gets me at the end of the day is he lies about it. I mean, he has lied and lied about it. And I wanna just make good that claim. Here is a record, I'm gonna read it to you, a record of Jack Smith's responses, under oath now, to members of Congress. He is asked, question, as it relates to members and their staffs and senators, it's just the toll records as far as you remember. Smith, that is my recollection. Question, did the records that you requested include the content of text messages? Smith, answer, no. Now, maybe there's some nuance I'm missing here, but it sounds a lot to me like this guy didn't tell the truth. Have you thought about investigating this guy for perjury?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:42:55 – 4:43:00

Um, the in, we take testimony in front of this body very seriously, yes.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:43:01 – 4:43:43

Good. Well, I, I think he absolutely should be investigated. I think he absolutely should be prosecuted, if at all possible, and based on his responses under oath, I think he should be. And I think it's time that we say that these people who did this, who engaged in this mass illegality, blatant violation of the separation of powers, blatant violation of the Constitution. We know what they did to President Trump. We know what they did to to, uh, everyday innocent Americans. And that's before we even touched the issue of trying to recruit spies into Catholic parishes, sending members of the anti-terrorism division to go hound parents who went to school board meetings it's unlike anything we've ever seen in American history. And my view is there needs to be accountability for it. I hope that you will investigate Jack Smith for perjury, and I hope that possibly you'll prosecute him.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:43:43 – 4:43:44

Yes, Senator.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:43:44 – 4:45:58

Um, let me switch gears and ask you about a Missouri, a Missouri specific issue. My state has a number of laws that protect the unborn. We're a very pro-life state in Missouri. And that includes laws that limit the use of the chemical abortion drug, the circumstances under which it can be prescribed. You need to see a physician and so forth under Missouri law. Now, as you know, Joe Biden gutted all of those restrictions. He took away President Trump's safety restrictions on this chemical abortion drug. He instituted a a mail-order abortion policy. So my state went to court to try to defend our state's laws. A number of other states, Republican states, did this. And of course, in the meantime, the president changed, thank goodness. And now we have President Trump. But that means that that now we have the state of Missouri, Republican state, along with a number of other conservative Republican states, are in court against a Republican administration. fighting over Joe Biden's abortion policy. And by the way, while I'm on this subject, I I just wanna show you why it matters to Missouri. Here's what, here's what happened in Missouri after Joe Biden changed the rules and contravened our state laws. Look at the abortions. I mean, dramatic increase. Dramatic increase. Because under Joe Biden's abortion rules, it doesn't matter what your state law is. Doesn't matter what the voters in my state do. You can just mail in this abortion drug, no prescription, No follow-up visits for the mother. No medical support at all. You mentioned this earlier, I think you, you can mail these in from overseas, from India, for heaven's sake. And that's where many of them come from. Nationally, we see the same thing, since Biden put his policy in place, massive increases, massive increases in the number of abortions. Here's, here's what I wanna get at with you. I, I just hate that we have these Republicans stay, I hate this policy, first of all. But I hate it that we have these Republican states in court against a Republican administration. And it just seems to me there's gotta be some solution to this. So I I just wanna ask you, what what do you think that is? I mean, how do you think we can get to some solution here from all of this mess and and find our way out of it I just I I turn it over to you what do you think?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:45:58 – 4:47:01

I share, I share your concerns as does this entire administration, as you know, I mean, we have the most pro-life president in history and you are um one of the most pro-life senators in this body and and so that is a good thing i i don't wanna talk about litigation strategy here it's not appropriate but i it is uh i will say as we've said in our our briefing we are not defending what biden did and will not um the fda has has a process that that we're letting them um go forward in and that's this is again in our briefings um that takes a year they've committed to do it significantly less time than a year. And and we are um, we'll we'll always um, and when I say we, I'm not just saying the Department of Justice, I'm saying President Trump's administration in its entirety will protect the the life of the unborn and and and work with um the states and and obviously you, to make sure that we do that in the best way. I just I I wanna get to a solution as well. I I don't wanna talk about litigation strategy here. I don't think that's the right the right forum, but I I sh- I very much share your concerns, Senator.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:47:01 – 4:47:16

Um, you mentioned just a second ago, I think this is an important point, I just wanna make sure I I drive this home. You're not defending this abortion policy, Biden's abortion policy, which changed President Trump's own rule. You're not defending that in court, right? I mean, that's, you're not defending that on the matter.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:47:16 – 4:47:18

And it's in all of our pleadings that we are not correct.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:47:18 – 4:47:42

Yeah. And, you know, even, uh, the FDA commissioner said, I'm just gonna quote him here, that Biden's rules as a legal matter lacked adequate consideration. Uh, the HHS secretary Uh, Bobby Kennedy said that uh Biden's rules invite potential dangers by offering them for precedent without sufficient medical support or supervision. So that's, those are from your filing. So that's, I wanna be clear on this. You, you do not defend this policy on the merits whatsoever.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:47:41 – 4:47:42

Correct.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:47:43 – 4:48:02

And presumably you have no issue with with President Trump's earlier rule, which had common sense safety restrictions. You h you had to see a doctor, get a prescription, there had to be a follow-up visit to see uh if there was any hemorrhaging, Those were in place before Biden gutted them. Presumably there's no issue with any of those.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:48:02 – 4:48:05

I anticipate we, the department would defend those rules, yes.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:48:05 – 4:48:20

So, okay, this that leads me to this question. Why not, while the FDA is doing its review, why not put President Trump's rules in place? They're good rules. Why not do that rather than leave in place these rules? I mean, just explain that to me.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:48:20 – 4:48:42

Well, I this gets to my original point when I I don't think it's appropriate to to talk about our strategy, litigation strategy here, except to say that I, that, that we want to get to a good result consistent with President Trump's um administrative um directive and priorities and and we very much believe that the Biden rules were wrong. So, um, we're we're continuing.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:48:43 – 4:48:54

Good, I'm glad to hear that. Do you have any thought w- about uh what a solution, a good result might might be? I mean, do you have any and I'm not asking you to discuss your litigation. I mean, apart from that, I mean, how are we How are we gonna get out of the litigation?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:48:54 – 4:48:55

I

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:48:54 – 4:48:56

I wanna be clear, I wanna get out of the litigation.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:48:56 – 4:48:56

I'm sure.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:48:56 – 4:49:06

I hate the fact that we're l- all of these, again, all these Republican states are litigating against the Republican administration. We gotta find some way to end that. So maybe you have a thought on that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:49:06 – 4:49:35

I hope, I hope that the the work the FDA is doing now, because remember, we have to we have to have studies that are we can defend in court. We have to be able to say to a judge, probably in this district, that our change was not arbitrary and capricious. So we're trying to let FDA, we meaning the Department of Justice, um, do their work, um, so that we can have, uh, continue to protect the, the, the lives of the unborn children and frankly the state's laws like Missouri's, which is really what, what's being violated here, um, at its core.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:49:36 – 4:50:57

Let me just ask you one other thing on this. I know that you've seen these stories, these news reports about women who are assaulted by their boyfriends or whomever. Uh, they they get pregnant, the boyfriend doesn't want it, you know, they, they take the drug, crush it up, lace it in their drink, or what have you. You know, uh, one example, Rosalie Markovich, uh, you know, Rosalie, she got pregnant, she did, she was excited, she did not wanna have an abortion, she wanted to have her baby, her boyfriend did not want that. So, without telling her, certainly without her consent, he, he laced the drug into her drink. Uh, it caused her to, uh, begin to miscarry. Uh, he restrained her so she couldn't, uh, go to the hospital. I mean, you know, this, this is assault. Uh, multiple states now have brought dozens of criminal charges against men who, who do this. My question to you is, have you thought about devoting resources at the Department of Justice? You know, putting together um, an initiative that might bring resources from the criminal division, the civil division, and the US attorneys together, you know, call it a protecting women and children initiative, that would work then with uh states to go after these coerced abortions. You know, to sta- to protect these women, uh, to help states enforce their laws, and to go after these uh these criminals who are using Joe Biden's policies to commit assault left, right and center.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:50:57 – 4:51:11

I very much commit to looking at that. I I share your concerns, the story you mentioned, I I I'm aware of that story, it's horrible. I think there's a lot of that is not necessarily a federal crime, but the federal government can certainly help in that space.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:51:11 – 4:51:41

I think if you and I'll end with this, Mister Chairman, I I think that if you stood up, I mean as a former State Attorney General, I can just tell you that when you when you can get resources in investigation and prosecution, it's immensely helpful. You've had tremendous success with that already under your tenure in other criminal areas. I think that if you were to stand up a f- a full-fledged initiative at DOJ, put somebody senior in charge of it, to go after these actors who are, who are abusing the rules that Biden put in place, I think that would do a lot for women and children, their safety in this country.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:51:41 – 4:51:41

Thank you, Senator.

Sen. Hawley (MO)4:51:41 – 4:51:42

Yeah, thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)4:51:42 – 4:52:25

Great. Before I go to Senator Schiff, I'd like to enter another rec letter in the record. This supports the nominees from civil rights lawyers who litigated cases against the justice department across multiple presidential administrations. The letter states that Mister Blanch has quote, gone a long way to restoring faith in the rule of law and has been especially encouraging to pro-life cause for which so long has been relegated to a second class status, end of quote, without objection, that'll be entered in the regular, senator's shift.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:52:26 – 4:52:52

Thank you, Mister Chairman, uh, Mister Blanch, you represented the president in three, at least three criminal cases, the hush money payment case in New York, the January sixth case, and the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case. You said when you appeared last before this committee, you'd consult with ethics lawyers about that apparent conflict of interest in handling any case involving the president, having been his personal counsel. Did you consult with Joseph Terrell, a senior ethics lawyer at the department?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:52:54 – 4:52:56

Um, I believe I met with Mister Terrell, yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:52:56 – 4:53:07

Did Mister Terrell tell you that ethics laws and policies required that you not be involved in cases involving uh your prior and

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:53:08 – 4:53:08

Yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:53:08 – 4:53:10

uh representation of the president?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:53:10 – 4:53:10

Yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:53:11 – 4:53:17

So in those three matters, the hush money payment case, January sixth case, Mar-a-Lago case, you were to recuse yourself.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:53:17 – 4:53:20

I'm recused, correct. Well, by the way,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:53:20 – 4:53:21

So.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:53:20 – 4:53:25

the cases are not ongoing, Senator, but to the extent there's any work around those cases, yes, I'm recused.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:53:26 – 4:53:52

So, you said to CPAC a couple months ago. The other things that are happening, there is not a single man or woman at the Department of Justice who had anything to do with those prosecutions, meaning the prosecution of the president. So you're saying that it's not a conflict of interest for you, to be involved in the firing of prosecutors who prosecuted your client, your former client, there's no conflict there, is that your

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:53:51 – 4:53:53

No, there is, I wasn't involved.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:53:53 – 4:53:57

So at CPAC you're taking credit

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:53:54 – 4:53:54

That would be a conflict.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:53:57 – 4:54:03

for the firing of these Department of Justice lawyers, but you're not willing to take responsibility before this committee, is that the case?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:54:04 – 4:54:04

No,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:54:05 – 4:54:05

Okay.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:54:05 – 4:54:07

I'm making, I sa- I, there was a statement I gave at CPAC.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:54:06 – 4:54:43

Well you you were you were bragging about this at CPAC, the firing of these prosecutors, the firing of the FBI agents, the getting rid of everyone who investigated your client, you were proud of that, speaking for the Department of Justice, but you don't think that's a conflict of interest. You moved to vacate, I don't think you're gonna deny involvement in this, you moved to vacate the convictions of twelve Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, which erased their convictions, restored their gun rights. These people were convicted in the January sixth investigation, which also involved the president, who you represented. You were involved in dismissing those cases, were you not?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:54:44 – 4:54:52

I was uh I'm the acting attorney general. So, yes, my department moved to dismiss. Um, I I was not involved.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:54:50 – 4:54:55

So you you didn't recuse yourself from that matter. You were willing

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:54:55 – 4:54:58

No. There's no reason to from the the Proud Boys matter?

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:54:59 – 4:54:59

Yes,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:54:59 – 4:55:01

I mean, oh, you know the rules.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:54:59 – 4:55:02

it was the it was it was the it,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:55:01 – 4:55:03

There are rules that say when they have to be recused,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:55:02 – 4:55:03

yes, there are rules.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:55:03 – 4:55:04

and that's not one of them.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:55:04 – 4:55:09

Uh, there are rules, and when you're told to recuse yourself from investigations that you handle for the president,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:55:08 – 4:55:09

I always do.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:55:10 – 4:55:11

You're supposed to recuse yourself.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:55:11 – 4:55:13

No, what I represented the president.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:55:11 – 4:55:34

So you you have also you have also said You've also refused to release volume two of the special counsel's report. That was an investigation into the Mar-a-Lago Mar-a-Lago documents case. How is that not an abundant conflict of interest? Refusing to release to the public an investigative report of an investigation into your client.

Sen. Schiff (CA)4:55:34 – 4:55:39

I am not a judge. A federal judge has said it cannot be released.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:55:37 – 4:55:45

No, no, no, no, no. The department's position under you. the department's position under you, mister Blanch, was do not release the report.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:55:46 – 4:55:47

So that position

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:55:47 – 4:55:53

When, if you went into court asking them to release it, it would be released by now. So how is that not a patent conflict of interest?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:55:53 – 4:56:00

What you're saying happens to not be true. I did not do that. What you're talking about happened before I became the Deputy Attorney General.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:55:58 – 4:56:01

So you you support the release of line two?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:56:00 – 4:56:08

No, I don't, but I'm recused and had nothing to do with that case. Like you can't accuse me of violating my ethical rules and then lie about what I did.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:56:08 – 4:56:15

So you had nothing to do with the decision, uh, to prohibit the release of the report. You had nothing to do with the department's position.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:56:14 – 4:56:15

I wasn't in court.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:56:15 – 4:56:17

I wasn't asking whether you were in court.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:56:15 – 4:56:17

No, I'm not asking. I was

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:56:17 – 4:56:23

I'm asking you whether anyone sought your opinion or used your guidance in refusing to release volume two.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:56:24 – 4:56:25

When that litigation,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:56:24 – 4:56:26

Are you saying you had nothing to do with that decision?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:56:25 – 4:56:36

when that litigation was ongoing, I was a private citizen, still representing the President of the United States. It was before, um, March, um, since March, to the extent there's been anything in front of that judge,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:56:35 – 4:56:37

Yes, I am, and, Mister Blanch,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:56:36 – 4:56:37

I hadn't been part of it.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:56:37 – 4:56:59

I, I asked you in your last whether you would release the report. Your answer was no. Your answer was not, I will recuse my answer, myself. Your answer was no, I will not release the report. That was your testimony last before this committee. You subsequently were advised by ethics lawyers not to be involved in these matters. But it appears you were involved in these matters. Let me ask you about another matter you were

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:56:59 – 4:57:00

But I wasn't involved.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:56:59 – 4:57:00

Well,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:57:00 – 4:57:02

You can't say it appears I was involved, but I said I wasn't.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:57:00 – 4:57:04

let me let me, OK, alright, well, let me let me let me ask you about another one. You have your name on.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:57:03 – 4:57:06

Actually, this is, the true past of matter at some point.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:57:04 – 4:57:19

Let me, let me, yeah, it does matter. We just don't hear much of it from you. But let me ask you about another matter you have your name on. I don't think you can deny responsibility here. And that is the IRS settlement agreement. So, you put your name on this.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:57:17 – 4:57:17

Yes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:57:20 – 4:57:41

That absolves the president of tax liabilities in the past. The president was convicted in the case you represented him in, of falsifying business records in part for tax purposes. Does this settlement not absolve the president of any liability for tax crimes associated with what he's already been convicted of?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:57:42 – 4:57:46

That's not what he was convicted of, and not to have to do with t- for tax purposes.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:57:44 – 4:57:56

Well, I I I'm happy to read the statement of facts, the participants took steps that mischaracterized for tax purposes, the true nature of the payments made in furtherance of this scheme. So you know,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:57:56 – 4:57:58

The participant there was not the president,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:57:56 – 4:57:59

Mister Blanch, you you you

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:57:58 – 4:57:59

it was somebody else.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:58:00 – 4:58:08

Well, if the president is conspiring with others to falsify business records to help them cheat on taxes, He is also exposed to liability. You know that as well as I do.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:58:08 – 4:58:09

He can't be audited for that.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:58:09 – 4:58:38

And, of course he can be. Of course he can be. And he can be prosecuted for it. But the agreement you signed, on behalf of your former client, on behalf of your current client, in a, in a staggering example of self-dealing, prohibits that. Let me ask you this. Does this tax agreement, this addendum you signed, also hold him harmless from any audit? or tax liability with respect to the billions in crypto money he made in his first year as president.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:58:39 – 4:58:49

It's it's not forward-looking. So to the extent there are taxes filed by the president or his sons or the trump organization after the date of that agreement, there's no protection.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:58:48 – 4:58:51

Well, but before that agreement. So any taxes,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:58:51 – 4:58:54

So he hasn't filed taxes yet for money he made last year,

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:58:52 – 4:58:52

so any

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:58:54 – 4:58:55

right? So, no.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:58:54 – 4:58:58

Y- yes. So, um, if he filed,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:58:57 – 4:58:58

So no protection.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:58:58 – 4:59:11

if he filed tax returns this year for money he earned last year, that his sons earned, that his World Liberty Financial, all those people earned and defrauded taxpayers on it, he faces no liability under this agreement you signed.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:11 – 4:59:15

No evi- there's no evidence taxpayers were defrauded, and he is not protected.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:13 – 4:59:19

But, but there is, there's, there's a disagreement that you've absolved him of any liability over it.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:15 – 4:59:20

He is not protected. He's not protected. No, I just said he's not absolved.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:21 – 4:59:21

So,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:21 – 4:59:22

So, the question was

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:22 – 4:59:25

so the disagreement doesn't apply to, to a tax return filed last year,

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:25 – 4:59:26

To tax return.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:25 – 4:59:26

or filed this year.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:27 – 4:59:30

To tax returns filed after the date of the agreement? No, it does not apply.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:29 – 4:59:35

No, before the agreement. A tax return filed in, in, uh, this calendar year before this agreement.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:34 – 4:59:37

Before the agreement it applies, not after.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:36 – 4:59:50

Yes, okay. So for a tax return filed this year for last year, for the billions he made, there is no tax liability even if he cheats on his taxes or his kids do or his business do. He is absolved of that further potential liability.

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:50 – 4:59:50

No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:51 – 4:59:55

Well, it's in the plain language of your agreement. Did you write this language, Bhakti?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:55 – 4:59:58

You know what? Use the facts though, that he hasn't filed taxes yet.

Sen. Padilla (CA)4:59:57 – 4:59:58

Did you? Did you?

Todd Blanche (Witness)4:59:58 – 5:00:02

So when he files taxes, there's no protection based upon this agreement.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:02 – 5:00:04

Did, did you write this language?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:05 – 5:00:07

Did I write the, did I type it up myself?

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:07 – 5:00:08

Did you write this language?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:07 – 5:00:08

No. No.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:09 – 5:00:10

But you put your name to it.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:11 – 5:00:11

I did.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:11 – 5:00:13

So, who wrote this?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:14 – 5:00:17

Some, I, I don't know the person that actually typed it. I don't know who it is, on,

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:17 – 5:00:18

Was it,

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:17 – 5:00:19

somebody within the Department of Justice.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:18 – 5:00:23

was it one of the president's lawyers, or was it someone from the Justice Department or IRS?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:23 – 5:00:25

This document would have been somebody within the Department of Justice.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:24 – 5:00:26

Yes. But you have no idea who that is.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:27 – 5:00:29

I, I don't know the name of the person that typed it up.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:29 – 5:00:38

And did you debate with them? the statute of limitations which clearly would preclude the president's claim this ten billion dollar lawsuit

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:38 – 5:00:43

we had extensive discussions internally about the underlying litigation

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:42 – 5:00:46

and and you did you reject the statute of limitations defense

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:00:46 – 5:00:53

i i'm not a judge i don't reject things made there was there was there was discussion around the the litigation

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:00:49 – 5:01:02

but you signed an agreement for the us you you you signed an agreement for the us basically uh indicating that the justice department's position that the statute of limitations applies Doesn't matter.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:03 – 5:01:04

I I didn't, that's not what I said.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:04 – 5:01:05

It Well,

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:04 – 5:01:05

I didn't say that anywhere.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:06 – 5:01:18

who rejected the twenty-five defenses the IRS had to this sham lawsuit? Who rejected them? Who said that these defenses we're not gonna accept, we're just gonna go with the president's agreement and the slush fund,

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:18 – 5:01:19

There was,

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:19 – 5:01:19

and this immunity?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:19 – 5:01:22

there was a lot of discussion internally, um,

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:22 – 5:01:23

But you made the decision.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:22 – 5:01:26

about the case. I ma- what's the decision? What do you mean?

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:26 – 5:01:29

You made the decision to not defend

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:26 – 5:01:27

What decision?

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:30 – 5:01:37

the irs and the justice department you made the decision instead to sign this slush fund agreement for the president to settle the case correct yeah

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:34 – 5:01:36

we made the decision to

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:38 – 5:01:55

and in in doing that you basically decided that you were gonna be the lawyer for the president and the lawyer for the irs and the justice department, as the court found in this case there was no adversarial relationship,

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:01:53 – 5:01:56

no yes sir

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:01:56 – 5:02:44

the court found it was a sham it was a collusive relationship. And what I don't understand, Todd Blanch, what happened to the Todd Blanch who was a prosecutor in the southern district of New York? What happened to the prosecutor people had respect for? What happened to the prosecutor who once respected the rule of law? What happened to the prosecutor who said that there wouldn't be a whiff of political partisanship and then prosecutes the president's enemies over seashells, cases, over making a video stating the plain law and constitution, What happened to the Todd Blanch of the Southern District of New York that could convert him into you? Someone willing to say the president has both the the right, uh, and the duty to prosecute his political enemies. I cannot imagine that Todd Blanch of the old days would have ever done that.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:02:39 – 5:02:40

I'd never have said that.

Sen. Padilla (CA)5:02:44 – 5:03:23

What happened to you, Todd Blanch? Uh, I'll tell you this, I think Robert Caro had it right when he said that power doesn't corrupt as much as it reveals. I suspect it has just revealed who you are, and who you are as someone willing to sacrifice everything you once believed in, for that title, for that position, of Attorney General. And it is a sad story that we have seen from Trump appointee, after appointee, after appointee. We have seen people compromise themselves little by little, and then a lot by a lot, until they're sitting before this committee, and trying to justify the unjustifiable. I yield back.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:03:24 – 5:03:24

'Kay.

Sen. Grassley (IA)5:03:25 – 5:03:25

Uh.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:03:25 – 5:03:27

It, may I just briefly respond, Chairman?

Sen. Grassley (IA)5:03:27 – 5:03:28

Yes, you may.

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:03:28 – 5:04:46

Very briefly. So, I, you asked me what happened to Todd Blanch. I am still here. I am the same exact person I was when I was a federal prosecutor in the SDNY, which is do the right thing and and do everything you can to keep communities safe. So when I was a line prosecutor, when I was a supervisor, when I was the head of a division, my moti- my my motivation and my goal was the same thing, people who who worked with me and worked for me which is do the right thing um enforce the laws and put bad guys in jail and so you you spend time talking about these i did not that line that line prosecutor would never approve of a slush drive interrupt you i did not interrupt you a little courtesy would be appropriate so when you ask me what has changed ok and you talk about a single document that i signed ok and somebody had to sign that document when the president sued ok so i tried to do the right thing what i do every single day and what the prosecutors in this country do every single day, and the nearly hundred thousand indictments and informations that have been filed since January twentieth, is exactly what everybody in this building should want the Department of Justice to do, which is to make our community safer, enforce the laws, both civilly and criminally, and always do the right thing with integrity, which is exactly what I'm doing. So I am the same Todd Blanch I was when I was a federal prosecutor in the SDNY.

Sen. Grassley (IA)5:04:48 – 5:05:49

Uh before I call on the last senator to ask questions, I'd like to enter in the record a letter supporting the nominee from Peter Forselle, retired Law Enforcement Officer. As the NYPD Homicide Detective and ATF Special Agent, Mister Forselle worked alongside Mister Blanche when he was a prosecutor in the Southern District of New York. The letter states quote, " I know Todd Blanche, to be a quiet, thoughtful, soft-spoken man, but make no mistake, beneath that measured demeanor is a tenacious, fair, and deeply ethical federal prosecutor. He is the kind of lawyer who does not seek the spotlight, yet he consistently delivers results grou- grounded in the law and justice. End of quote, without objection, this is centered in the record, Senator Cruz.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:05:50 – 5:05:53

Thank you, Mister Chairman, Mister Blanch, thank you for the job you are doing.

Sen. Grassley (IA)5:05:53 – 5:05:54

Yeah, vote for animals.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:05:54 – 5:06:47

It is rich seeing Senate Democrats complaining about weaponization and politicization of the Department of Justice after four years in which they were complicit in the greatest abuse we have ever seen of the Department of Justice. I wanna do something that was strikingly absent in much of the questioning from our Democrat colleagues, which is actually focused on facts instead of made-up stories. And I wanna compare where the department was under Joe Biden to where it is now under your leadership. During the Biden administration, the Justice Department devoted extraordinary resources to investigating and prosecuting President Trump and his supporters. Is that correct, Mr. Blanch?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:06:47 – 5:06:48

It is.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:06:49 – 5:06:56

The department authorized Operation Arctic Frost, which investigated members of Congress and other political figures. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:06:56 – 5:06:57

Yes, Senator.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:06:59 – 5:07:09

The department's senior leadership, Attorney General Merrick Garland, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco, FBI Director Chris Wray, all personally approved the opening of this investigation. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:07:09 – 5:07:10

That's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:07:11 – 5:07:21

This investigation involved nearly two hundred subpoenas, targeted over four hundred Republican- aligned groups and individuals. Is that right?

Sen. Grassley (IA)5:07:22 – 5:07:22

Yes, Senator.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:07:25 – 5:07:44

And then the FBI obtained, without our knowledge, the cell phone data of twenty percent of the Republicans in the Senate, including me and many of my colleagues on this committee, as well as now FBI Director Kash Patel and now White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:07:44 – 5:07:45

Yes, Senator.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:07:46 – 5:08:33

Just yesterday, Chairman Grassley revealed that even more senators' communications were targeted. Jack Smith's team obtained and reviewed the text messages of forty-four members of Congress, including nineteen Republican senators. When the Department of Justice loses sight of criminals, because it is turned into a partisan arm of the DNC, the American people pay the price. It also meant the Department of Justice was not doing its job, which is enforcing the law and putting criminals in jail. During the Biden administration, there were roughly twelve million encounters at the southern border. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:08:34 – 5:08:34

Yes.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:08:35 – 5:08:43

Approximately two million illegal aliens were known to have entered, but were not apprehended, the so-called gotaways. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:08:43 – 5:08:44

Yes, that's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:08:45 – 5:08:52

Fentanyl became the leading cause of death for Americans between the ages of eighteen and forty-five. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:08:52 – 5:08:53

That's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:08:53 – 5:09:17

That was courtesy of the Democrats' open border policies of letting drug dealers and human traffickers flood into this country because they believed it would benefit them. politically. Violent transnational criminal organizations, including the Sinaloa cartel, the Jalisco New Generation cartel, MS thirteen, and Trendaragua expanded their operations inside the United States. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:09:18 – 5:09:19

It is absolutely correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:09:21 – 5:10:27

And then something we never hear from the Democrat side of the aisle. The victims. Jocelyn Nungary, I've not heard one Democrat so much as utter her name. The little girl tragically raped and murdered by two Venezuelan gang members the Biden administration released. Laken Riley, again, the Democrats cannot even say her name. Rachel Morana, mom. Brutally raped and murdered by another illegal, the Biden Justice Department released. These were daughters, these were students, these were mothers. And they would be alive if the Department of Justice had done its duty. So let's compare the lawlessness, the partisanship, the abuse of power of the Biden Department of Justice to what has happened in the last eighteen months. Mister Blanch, objectively, the American people are safer today than they were eighteen months ago. Is that correct?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:10:27 – 5:10:28

There is no doubt.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:10:29 – 5:10:41

Now, that's not simply empty rhetoric. Since President Trump took office, federal law enforcement has arrested approximately twenty-nine thousand violent gang members, is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:10:41 – 5:10:41

That's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:10:42 – 5:10:55

The department has disrupted or dismantled approximately two thousand seven hundred gangs a three hundred and sixty-five percent increase over the comparable period of time in the previous administration, is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:10:55 – 5:10:56

That's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:10:57 – 5:11:03

arrests of Trender-Aragua members have increased by approximately five hundred and nineteen percent. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:11:03 – 5:11:03

That's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:11:05 – 5:11:20

In twenty twenty five, the United States saw the largest one-year drop in violent crime and murder since nineteen thirty seven. Homicides across America's largest cities fell more than nineteen percent. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:11:20 – 5:11:21

That's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:11:22 – 5:11:40

Robberies fell nearly twenty percent. Aggravated assaults nearly ten percent. And that trend has continued into this year with homicides falling by yet another, seventeen point seven percent, and robberies by over twenty percent during the first quarter of twenty twenty six. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:11:40 – 5:11:42

It is. Yes.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:11:43 – 5:11:58

The department has also made protecting America's children one of its highest priorities. Since the beginning of this administration, the FBI has allocated approximately seven thousand two hundred. child victims, a forty-two percent increase. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:11:58 – 5:11:59

Yes.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:12:00 – 5:12:08

The FBI has arrested approximately three thousand five hundred child predators and human traffickers a one hundred and two percent increase. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:12:08 – 5:12:09

That's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:12:09 – 5:12:22

By April alo- in April alone, Operation Iron Pursuit located more than two hundred child victims and arrested more than three hundred and fifty alleged child sex uh abuse offenders. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:12:22 – 5:12:23

That's right.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:12:24 – 5:12:35

And across my home state of Texas, Operation Soteria Shield rescued eighty-nine children and resulted in two hundred and seventy-six child exploitation arrests. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:12:35 – 5:12:36

That's the correct stat.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:12:39 – 5:12:51

Mister Blanch, after la- less than eighteen months, would it be fair to say that the department is once again focused on protecting the American people and faithfully enacting the laws?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:12:51 – 5:12:53

That's exactly what we're focused on, Senator.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:12:51 – 5:13:20

Thank you, Michael. And I will point out that one direct result of that also is deaths by drug overdoses have dropped twenty percent. There are literally thousands of Americans who are alive today because of the job you and your colleagues at the Department of Justice are doing. And I for one wanna say thank you for focusing the department on saving people's lives

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:13:22 – 5:13:24

We have great prosecutors, Senator, and great agents.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:13:25 – 5:14:18

Now, I wanna go to a topic that Senator Hawley asked you about, which is the Biden administration rule, uh, concerning the abortion pill. Eighteen USC, section fourteen sixty-one, Comstock Act. provides that every article or thing designed or adapted or intended for producing abortion is declared to be non-mailable. Have to admit, that statutory text to me looks quite straightforward. It is not subtle, it is not difficult, it is straightforward. As you know, during the Biden administration, the Office of Legal Counsel issued an opinion concluding that those provisions generally do not prohibit mailing abortion drugs unless the sender intends them to be used unlawfully. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:14:19 – 5:14:20

Yes, that's correct.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:14:21 – 5:14:27

Now, office legal counsel opinions may be reconsidered when the Attorney General concludes they are inconsistent with the law. Is that right?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:14:27 – 5:14:28

That is right.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:14:30 – 5:14:39

Will you commit to carefully reviewing that opinion to ensure that it is, faithfully reflects the actual statutory text that Congress enacted?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:14:40 – 5:14:40

Yes.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:14:42 – 5:14:47

Likewise, as Senator Hawley asked, Louisiana versus FDA remains

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:15:05 – 5:15:05

Yes. Yes.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:15:08 – 5:16:10

And I want to point out the real consequences of the Biden administration's lawless authorization of mail-order abortions. According to FDA reporting, the abortion pill has taken more than three point seven million unborn lives, caused twenty-four maternal deaths, moms are being killed, and resulted in at least four thousand one hundred and ninety-five adverse maternal reactions including hemorrhage excruciating abdominal pla- pain and severe life-threatening infections. The position of the Democrats now seemed to be that women and teenage girls should be able to be, get mail-order abortions without a doctor being involved at all. And I will tell you, the death toll from that is horrific. And it needs to stop. Final question. Will you commit as Attorney General to faithfully and vigorously defending the second amendment right to keep and bear arms?

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:16:10 – 5:16:12

Yes, absolutely.

Sen. Cruz (TX)5:16:12 – 5:16:12

Thank you.

Sen. Grassley (IA)5:16:15 – 5:17:36

mister blanch thank you for your testimony today and to your family and friends who are here i thank you all as well you uh should be very proud of your performance today i think you performed admirably showed this entire country that you're eminently qualified to serve as attorney general If confirmed, I'm conf- very confident that you'll uh continue to do that superb job. Now, for everyone's information, written questions can be submitted for the record until five PM this Friday, July seventeenth. I hope as the nominee, when you receive those questions, please answer and return them to the committee. as soon as possible uh this hearing is adjourned but i want to say we'll reconvene tomorrow here at nine am for an executive business meeting and that hopefully that doesn't take very long immediately following that business meeting we'll have a panel of outside witnesses on this nomination meeting adjourned

Todd Blanche (Witness)5:17:37 – 5:17:37

thank you sir

Sen. Grassley (IA)5:17:39 – 5:17:40

ok

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