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S.1547 to Reauthorize National Parks and Public Land Legacy Restoration Fund

Wednesday, June 17, 2026

Summary

  • The committee advanced S1547 to reauthorize the National Parks and Public Land Legacy Restoration Fund as amended by voice vote.
  • No witnesses testified during the business meeting on S1547, with debate limited to senators discussing fees, maintenance backlog, and compromise language.
  • Alex Padilla pressed Mike Lee on codifying the $100 nonresident park surcharge, warning parks could become de facto immigration checkpoints.
  • Sen. Hirono (D-HI) echoed fee and licensing concerns yet joined bipartisan voice vote advancing the compromise restoration fund reauthorization quickly.
  • Steve Daines urged swift Senate floor action and House passage to get the reauthorization to President Trump before July Fourth.

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Sen. Lee (UT)19:43 – 20:08

Morning. The committee will come to order. We're gonna conduct a brief business meeting, uh, before our hearing today, so we'll start with that. In today's business meeting, the Senate will take up S fifteen forty-seven, reauthorizing the National Parks and the Public Land Legacy Restoration Fund, sponsored by Senator Daines. First, let me ask if any senator wishes to offer an amendment. Ok.

Sen. Padilla (CA)20:08 – 20:09

Miss, Mr. Chairman.

Sen. Lee (UT)20:09 – 20:10

Yes, Senator Padilla.

Sen. Padilla (CA)20:12 – 26:27

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, uh, first I want to note that reauthorizing the legacy restoration fund is a priority for me as it is for many of us uh on this committee. In California alone we have nearly a five billion dollar deferred maintenance backlog on our federally managed public lands and this reauthorization could provide nearly a billion dollars to address that over five years it's why I co-sponsored the America the Beautiful Act which I thanked Senator Daines and Senator King for all their hard work on however the substitute amendment before us today would change the bill significantly from the one I chose and agreed to co-sponsor specifically I'm concerned about the amendment's approach towards non-resident visitor fees in january the Park Service implemented a whopping one hundred dollar per person surcharge for non-resident vis visitors at eleven national parks, including Yosemite, Kings Canyon, and Sequoia National Parks in California, some of the most heavily visited parks in the country. I'm concerned that this bill would codify this surcharge and apply it to all park service units that collect fees. I'm also particularly concerned about how the park service determines who is required to pay these extra fees. Our national parks are significant contributors to local economies, and should be welcoming to all who visit our country. Under the current practice, these fees have been collected on the honor system. However, if we codify this, I fear that parks could become de facto immigration checkpoints, where hardworking park service staff will be required to check passports, or birth certificates, and that's not their job. It's not something they're trained to do and that's not what i signed up for uh now as to the amendments i have a couple quick ones to my understanding the goal of the non-resident fee is to apply to foreign tourists however the definition of non-resident has been left very vague in the text before us that's why i filed a second degree amendment with senator hickenlooper that would only apply these surcharges to foreign visitors on tourist visas which i believe was the original intention The language in our amendment would bring the bill in line with the bipartisan House version led by Chairman Westerman and Ranking Member Huffman on the House side. Uh, this is uh amendment one A two. Uh, but, Mister Chairman, I understand that our staffs are having encouraging and productive uh conversations to resolve this drafting issue. So I certainly like to see these issues addressed in the bill before its final passage. Uh, but I believe since members of both sides want to address this uh or won't bring up the Padilla Hickenlooper Amendment one a two but I have another critical issue that we need to address which is how revenue from nonresident visitor surchar surcharges would be shared across the park service system colleagues currently at least eighty percent of the fee of the fee revenue collected at a park service unit stays in the unit where it was collected while twenty percent benefits other parks around the country. But, the bill before us does not keep any of the surcharge revenue in the park where the fee was collected. Instead, it would redirect all of the additional revenue into the broader legacy restoration fund. A strong belief that parks are that are heavily visited and experience additional strain on their natural resources and infrastructure should be which should be proportionally supported, based on these surcharges. So um second amendment padilla hickenlooper one a one has been filed that would require at least eighty percent of these foreign tourists' surcharges be dedicated to addressing the maintenance maintenance in the park where it was collected. Now I understand that this is the the surcharge was added as a pay-for and that we still do not have a CBO score for the bill. But in good faith, I will not bring up this second degree amendment for a vote today, knowing that we're continuing to work uh on this issue and maintaining the spirit that the parks that collect high levels of revenue receive uh uh their proportionate share of support for deferred maintenance. And lastly, Mister Chairman, uh my um amendment, my third amendment that I want to bring up, I believe it's critical that gateway communities and the public be able to have a say in these foreign tourist surcharges when the department of interior created these non-resident visitor fees in january they did not consult with the public in any way despite consultation being a legal requirement of the federal lands recreation enhancement act there was no public consultation on how expensive these fees should be there were no studies on the potential impacts on visitational levels and a analysis on the impacts to gateway communities and local businesses. Uh, I sent a letter to the Department of Interior in December with several of my colleagues on this committee requesting information on what public consultation occurred and how these fees would be implemented and we have yet to receive a response. Now, as written, the bill would strive to " maximise revenue" while " retaining non-resident visitation" when deciding the amount of the surcharge. It only seems appropriate that the gateway communities and local stakeholders should be consulted given the impacts to local economies and the bottom line for many businesses and families. Mister Chairman, I appreciate you working with my staff to include language in your substitute amendment to provide public participation opportunities uh to gateway communities and local stakeholders in accordance with existing law and given these surcharges would no doubt impact local communities I appreciate you supporting us in allowing all of our constituents to have a voice in this process and I appreciate that the uh manager's amendment includes language to address this third concern. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Sen. Lee (UT)26:27 – 26:34

Uh, thank you so much, uh, Senator Padilla. Uh, look forward to continue to work with you on these on these matters. I appreciate that. Senator Hirono.

Sen. Hirono (HI)26:34 – 28:43

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I share the concerns that Senator, uh, Padilla has expressed and the amendment bill would expand the authority of the National Park Service charge international visitors higher fees at all fee collecting parks and since january of this year eleven fee collecting parks have charged higher fees for non-residents we don't yet have data on what revenues what revenue that has generated or the impacts that those higher fees have had on visitations to gateway communities which is why as senator padilla noted it is important for our community input and consultation regarding these uh higher fees. We should have that information before we expand that uh to all fee collecting parks and codifying it into law. Another change to the underlying bill uh is that an entire provision has been included, giving the Department of the Interior the authority to license intellectual property. The amendment would give the Department of the Interior authority similar to that given to the Department of Defense, and the Department of Homeland Security, but without requiring similar governing regulations. I think that is an important uh aspect to giving this kind of authority to the Interior Department that uh the other two departments that have this kind of authority they did have to undergo rule making in in to implement that authority. So I'm a co-sponsor of the underlying bill which has brought bipartisan support, so I'm glad that we are uh moving the bill and I and I do support the basic purpose of this bill even in the amended form and the concerns that I have. Um and the underlying purpose is to extend the authority uh for the Department of the Interior to address uh deferred maintenance needs on our public lands and we know that that that's in the billions of dollars that of deferred maintenance, and it's something that I very much support. So I would again associate myself with Senator Padilla's remarks and hope that we can improve this bill before the full Senate considers it. Thank you, Mister Chairman.

Sen. Lee (UT)28:43 – 29:26

Thanks so much, Senator Horno. Uh, I'm gonna defer my opening statement and my remarks on the bill until, uh, after we vote and, uh, we'll allow everybody else to speak afterwards if they like, but would like to turn now, uh, to my amendment that I've offered jointly, uh, with Senator Heinrich. And I wanna thank Senator Heinrich and his team for, uh, a- and all the others who have participated in, in this, including Senator King, uh, uh, or, uh, or Uh, teams have worked, uh, very hard on this and, uh, grateful for it. Um, uh, this will be, uh, amendment one A, the Lee-Heinrich amendment, and this will be a voice vote. Uh, all those in favor of the Lee-Heinrich, uh, amendment number one A, all those in favor of that amendment say aye.

Sen. Hirono (HI)29:26 – 29:27

Aye. Aye.

Sen. Lee (UT)29:27 – 29:47

All those opposed say nay. The ayes appear to have it. The ayes do have it and the amendment is agreed to. We'll now go to the bill, S fifteen forty seven. Uh, as amended, um, and, uh, the question is on the bill. All those in favor of the bill, uh, signify by saying aye.

Sen. Daines (MT)29:47 – 29:48

Aye.

Sen. Lee (UT)29:47 – 29:48

Aye.

Sen. Daines (MT)29:48 – 29:48

Aye.

Sen. Lee (UT)29:48 – 30:12

Opposed, nay. The ayes appear to have it. The ayes do have it. And, uh, the bill S fifteen forty-seven, as amended, will be reported favorably to the Senate. Um, I'll now recognize any speaker who wants to be heard on this legislation. Uh, I I see uh hands up from Senator Daines and Senator Murkowski on this side, Senator King and Senator Heinrich on this side.

Sen. Daines (MT)30:13 – 33:48

Mr. Chairman, we just witnessed something that looked very easy, but was very hard. Um, this was a very profound moment to have a voice vote on what we just accomplished. And, uh, it's nice to have some good news in Washington, D. C., for a change of bipartisan cooperation. compromise and a great outcome. Uh, the teams were up literally until about six thirty this morning, working to get to this point, and I wanna commend them. Uh, Chairman Lee, Rank Member Heinrich, thank you, uh, for your leadership. And thanks to all the staff who were bleary-eyed and bushed this morning for working very late nate late nights and long hours to get to where we're at here today. This is a big step forward. The Great America Outdoors Act was viewed as one of the greatest conservation wins in fifty years. I think similarly now we extend the work that was done with that bill by reauthorizing this tremendous investment in in addressing the maintenance backlog, International Parks and National Forest. Uh, this amendment and the bill we're sending to the full Senate represents a bipartisan and bicameral collaborative outcome. We've been working with the administration both sides of the aisle here in the Senate, as well as keeping our House colleagues in the loop, Chairman Westerman and Ranking Member Huffman, so that we can move it not only out of the Senate, but get it through the House and to the President's desk. We've taken priorities from the House, the Senate, the administration, many members on this committee, and there were reforms made. The reforms we did make strengthened the Legacy Restoration Fund, helped us tackle that growing maintenance backlog on our parks and public lands, It's a great down payment to help fix the aging infrastructure and bolster our recreation economy. This is supported by over one hundred groups. It has sixty-four Senate bipartisan cosponsors. And I want to thank my co-chair, Senator King, his staff. As many of you know, on the National Park Subcommittee we don't have a chairman and ranking member. Uh, Senator King and I have always agreed on a handshake, we are co-chairs. No matter which way the gavel falls in majority minority position, Senator King and I are co-chairs. Been a wonderful partner on that subcommittee, and we have an outcome here today. I also wanna thank Senator Murkowski and her staff, Secretary Burgum and his staff. I can't tell you how many text messages I have on my phone right now in the last seventy-two hours, with the secretary. working together with the administration to get to this point here today, this morning. I know their teams work all night with many of the staff that are sitting behind us here on this dais today. I look forward to working with Chairman Westerman. They had a big hearing. They even had Kevin Costner in Hot Springs, Arkansas on Friday, uh, to, uh, to have a hearing about this, this bill, as well as ranking member Huffman. We want to thank them for the work already done. And now, once we have done the work here to toss it to the House and get it through there as quickly as possible. So I urge my colleagues here and my friends in the House, let's get this bill on President Trump's desk before the fourth of July. I can't think of no better president, uh, no better president for the president in the country on the America's two-fiftieth birthday than supporting our national parks and our public lands. Chairman Lee, thank you.

Sen. Lee (UT)33:48 – 34:10

Thank you, Senator Daines, and I, uh, a minute ago I'd - I'd - I thanked, um, Senator Heinrich and uh Senator King and their teams and uh neglected to mention others including Senator Murkowski you Senator Daines for your great work on this um a- a- and I know you and your teams have also been working uh really hard on it and burned the midnight oil along with uh Senator Mark Lewis.

Sen. Daines (MT)34:09 – 34:12

And and Chairman if I may say uh you are the Chairman you have the gavel,

Sen. Lee (UT)34:11 – 34:11

Yep.

Sen. Daines (MT)34:13 – 34:16

were it not for your cooperation on this bill we wouldn't be here today as well,

Sen. Lee (UT)34:16 – 34:16

Thank you.

Sen. Daines (MT)34:16 – 34:22

Mr. Chairman, and I thank you for that because you hold the gavel and without your cooperation and leadership we wouldn't have this outcome. So thank you.

Sen. Lee (UT)34:23 – 34:24

Thank you. Senator Borkoski.

Sen. Murkowski (AK)34:26 – 37:27

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And Senator Daines, I'm I'm pleased to be able to follow your comments. Um, you have been a leader in this space with the Great American Outdoors Act from the very beginning. Um, you have, uh, had a passion and a purpose, I think, towards this, and it is, it's reflected in the working relationship that you have with your Vice Chair. uh, Senator King. I too want to acknowledge the extraordinary hard work, uh, that so many people put into this. And I was somewhat amused by your statement, uh, Senator Daines, that we made this look easy this morning. Um, and it was, it was anything but, but I think that that is reflective of the hard work to get to yes, instead of people who were coming to the table, dead set to oppose it, just just to be able to oppose something. And in fairness, that's kind of the political climate that we are operating in. And so I think it says much about what we're talking about here this morning, which is our great American outdoors, something that whether you are from Montana, Alaska, Hawaii, California, Mississippi, doesn't make any difference where you are. There is a deep uh love for our national treasures. um, and for those, those areas that, um, uh, that we find very personally, uh, connected and attached to. And so when we look at the list of deferred maintenance around the country, um, for these treasured spaces and places, uh, we should all be worried about it. And so what was put in place with the Legacy Legacy Restoration Fund was significantly important. Uh, we need, we need to be aggressive in how we are handling our, our deferred maintenance. And so this reauthorization was very important. What was equally important in this, and I think the role that I and and and really my staff on the Appropriations Committee, um, uh, worked aggressively, uh, around the clock with Senator Merkley's, um, uh, team, I chair the Appropri- Interior Appropriations Subcommittee along with Senator Merkley. And so, uh, our role here is to make sure that Congress's role in in understanding how we're going to implement these priorities is maintained. And so ensuring that there was a list that is presented, um, from the president to the legislative branch, as outlined in in Goa, was important to maintain that, and how we, how we are able then to, to not only receive a list, but to be able to, um, insure that there is accountability on on both sides, that we are not um establishing a a venue for the administration, um any administration going forward to to to kind of pick and choose,

Sen. Lee (UT)37:27 – 37:27

Mm-hmm.

Sen. Murkowski (AK)37:27 – 37:49

um and inject layers of politics into what should not be political, but again really caring for our treasures. So I'm I'm very appreciative uh Mister Chairman of your leadership in this and Senator Heinrich your willingness uh, to work with all of us, not only on this committee but outside the committee as well. Um, truly very appreciative.

Sen. Lee (UT)37:50 – 37:52

Thanks so much, uh, Senator Heinrich, and then we'll go to Senator King.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)37:54 – 38:45

I wanna thank you, uh, Mister Chairman, for marking up, uh, this legislation. Uh, this is a good model for how we can get things done on this committee. Um, you know, when I go home, left, right and center, uh, people make their their family memories on our public lands. And so reinvesting in that infrastructure is incredibly important. Uh, I also wanna thank, um, Senator Dain, Senator King, all of the co-sponsors, the appropriation staff who worked all night, uh, to land this deal. And, uh, and we got it done with minutes to spare. So, um, I, I, I don't think, uh, it may look easy this morning, but this was a big lift and I wanna thank everybody who worked so hard to make it happen. Thank you.

Sen. Lee (UT)38:45 – 38:46

Senator King.

Sen. King (ME)38:47 – 39:28

Well, I wanna provide my thanks just as all of us have, uh, particularly to the staff, uh, who often don't get the recognition, who are working as, uh, Senator Heinrich said all night, literally, to to finalize this document. Um, Steve, uh, Senator Daines, great to work with you, and, uh, this is the way this place is supposed to work. uh bipartisan work together on a common cause important to the American people uh Mister Chairman I appreciate your accepting my amendment that this money will be allocated alphabetically by PARC alphabetical starting with Acadia actually I'm that's no no such thing but it's a good idea

Sen. Daines (MT)39:28 – 39:33

um this is a strong objection from the guy who loves Yellowstone

Sen. King (ME)39:29 – 39:29

uh

Sen. Daines (MT)39:34 – 39:38

which I know I know Senator Barasa would associate himself with those numbers

Sen. King (ME)39:37 – 39:37

and

Sen. Heinrich (NM)39:37 – 39:38

and you'll see

Sen. King (ME)39:38 – 39:39

and and and he's got Zion.

Sen. Lee (UT)39:40 – 39:42

I guess Zion is not gonna fare well in that one, eh?

Sen. Daines (MT)39:42 – 39:46

We- we're gonna have the why caucus or rebel here, but go ahead, Angus. Proceed at great risk.

Sen. King (ME)39:46 – 41:29

Uh, yeah. No, seriously. Um, and I do want to in- inject one note, uh, of - of frustration, not with this bill, but - but for the necessity of the bill. Uh, through multiple administrations I had great problems with the last administration on not providing adequate maintenance in the regular budget. uh we're doing a bill on deferred maintenance because we haven't adequately done maintenance which should have been done every year as part of the base budget of the of the interior department of the national park service so um this is a major accomplishment but i think we should also work with the current administration the next administration uh to to be sure that that uh this doesn't we don't have to do this every five years uh uh because not doing maintenance is a kind of debt. It's incurring a debt, and we're now gonna pay that debt, but going forward I I hope that uh whoever's in charge of the Department of the Interior and the uh National Park Service budget will take the maintenance responsibility as seriously as they do the other portion. So uh uh but with that note I uh this is an extraordinary achievement and it's being done on the on in exactly the right way with a lot of work uh a lot of compromises, a lot of uh Uh, uh, but as I think Senator Mikowski said, a lot of the impulse was to get to yes. And we made that happen. And we're not there yet. We've gotta work with the House. We gotta continue to refine the bill, uh, get through the, on the Senate floor, but, uh, this is an important step forward for America and for our national parks. And I wanna thank the Chairman and the and, and, uh, Ranking Member Heinrich for their leadership on this. We wouldn't be here without you. Thank you.

Sen. Lee (UT)41:30 – 41:48

Thank you. Um. OK, what - what we're gonna do now, we'll - we'll go ahead and conclude the business meeting and then I'll give my opening statement for the hearing and - in which I'll also, uh, give my brief remarks on this bill, uh, put those, eh, i- into the record. Uh, our - our national parks are

Sen. King (ME)41:50 – 41:50

Mm-hmm.

Sen. Lee (UT)41:52 – 42:06

Our national parks are among the most popular features of the U. S. government. Not everything we do in this town necessarily brings about absolute popularity, but people like their national parks. The national parks are iconic. They're among the most recognizable places in America.

Sen. King (ME)42:07 – 42:07

Yeah.

Sen. Lee (UT)42:07 – 48:32

Millions of people travel from across America and from throughout the world to witness their beauty. And we, as Americans, have a responsibility to make sure that they're well-maintained and that they're, uh, gonna be there for generations to come, uh, as, as beautiful, uh, as ever. By twenty twenty, however, there were was some broad agreement that the federal government had fallen short of that responsibility. Roads, trails, uh, visitor centers, campgrounds, water systems, and other critical infrastructure at many of our national parks and on other federal lands were piling up. Uh, they were piling up these, uh, huge deferred maintenance backlog lists. faster than the agencies responsible for managing them were able to address them. The Great American Outdoors Act, uh, uh, uh, often pronounced as GOA, was Congress's answer to that challenge. But when GOA first came before Congress during the first Trump administration, I had serious concerns about how the program was structured and whether it would actually solve the problems that it was set up to solve. Specifically, the dra- the, uh, uh, the - the drafters included a permanent extension of the Land and Water Conservation Fund in Goa, which allowed the government to continue permanently growing a federal estate that it's uh proven not to be able to to manage uh uh as evidenced by its massive and growing deferred maintenance backlog uh increasing costs and restricting uh many communities, especially in the western United States where a lot of these lands are found, and ultimately adding to the deferred maintenance backlog. At the time of passage of Goa, the deferred maintenance backlog across federal land management agencies, uh, clocked in at about twenty-six billion dollars. Today, after six years and roughly ten billion taxpayer dollars, that maintenance backlog has skyrocketed up to forty-three billion dollars. Reasonable people can disagree as to why the backlog has increased instead of decreased. But whatever explanation one prefers, the fact remains that Congress should not reauthorize programs on autopilot. We ought to stop from time to time and ask whether they're achieving their intended purpose. And if the intended purpose of GOA was to reduce the backlog, and six years later the backlog is larger than when the program began, significantly larger, I would add, then what should Congress do? Well, one of the things that I appreciate about this committee is that members can disagree and then keep talking and work forward toward a stronger product and a better outcome. I'm very proud of that. And as I've mentioned earlier, uh, um, uh, together with, uh, Senator Daines, Senator King, uh, Ranking Member Heinrich, uh, Senator Murkowski, and, uh, so many others, uh, and the Trump administration, we've done just that. I'm also, uh, very grateful uh, for secretary Burgum at the Department of the Interior for his help and encouragement. Mm. And, um, I also, uh, again want to thank the staff who worked literally all night, uh, and, um, uh, uh, uh, given that we recently experienced another, uh, all night photo-rama, I, I know that that can be very taxing. And so I, I thank them and, uh, uh, all those involved. Uh, but the amendment that we adopted today, um, along with this bill, uh, uh, to, to pass it on to the Senate floor represents a real compromise. And while I've got concerns uh that language added at the behest of of my colleagues on the Appropriations Committee uh could slow down the issuance of twenty twenty-seven funding to our states, and the legislation does not include needed reforms to the Land and Water Conservation Fund, the improvements reflected in the legislation demonstrate what can be accomplished. when members are willing to engage in good faith negotiations and work through legitimate concerns to figure out what can pass. So I hope that we can carry the same approach into conversations that lie ahead, because there's still a lot of work to be done. We ought to continue examining how federal agencies prioritize maintenance and how and what in what order projects are selected uh uh for maintenance, whether the current policies are encouraging the federal government to acquire land faster than it can maintain the land, uh, the vast acreage that it already owns. Look forward to continuing those talks with my colleagues in the months ahead. The drafters at the original go-up made, um, uh, not a t- uh, Uh-huh. uh, there - there - there wasn't an adequately serious attempt to offset spending within the bill even though many of the ideas were proposed. Uh, the late Senator Enzi proposed a solution. Include a modest surcharge on foreign visitors to our national parks. This is done in other countries when Americans visit foreign destinations, and it makes sense to codify President Trump's executive order on the, on this point. That said, the bill before us is already partially offset. This is a positive step, but we all have a responsibility to ensure that legislation of this size is, is fully paid for, uh, before it reaches the President's desk. And I also believe that will be crucial to its passage. uh, i- um, i- in - in the House, if not also the Senate. And I hope we can continue working together to identify additional offsets, uh, as the bill moves, uh, through the Senate process and advances to and through the floor. America's national parks are a source of great national pride. It's my hope that if we can continue working together, as we have today and, uh, in the days leading up to it, we can pass them on to the next generation in a condition that will make us all proud. Anyone else wanna speak on this bill before we uh uh proceed to the separate hearing on the Great American House- Outdoors Act? I'm actually doing Yeah. Yep. Alright, the business meeting is now adjourned and uh uh we'll begin the hearing.

Sen. King (ME)48:29 – 48:30

Right.

Sen. Lee (UT)48:33 – 48:37

With a separate table. Yep, got you. Thanks. What would you like to have?

Sen. King (ME)48:37 – 48:37

This one.

Sen. Lee (UT)51:51 – 58:10

OK, we'll now uh open the hearing portion of our of our meeting today. Today we're pleased to be joined by the governors uh uh or representatives of five U. S. territories. These territories are beautiful and distinctive regions of America, and I look forward to hearing from each of these uh uh governors and representatives uh as to the state of affairs of the U. S. territories, and what, if anything, uh, they would ask of Congress. These governors, or their senior representatives, are as follows. The Honorfer, uh, Jennifer Gonzalez-Colon, um, uh, Governor of Puerto Rico, welcome. The Honorable Albert Bryan, Junior, the Governor of the U. S. Virgin Islands, welcome, sir. Mister Henry Hoffschneider, uh, Chief of Staff, uh, to Governor David Appetung. Uh, uh, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands. We're CNMI here today because the governor is dealing with the impact of a major typhoon that has hit his territory. Welcome. Uh, uh, also the the honorable Lord of the St. Aflage Leon Guerrero, Governor of Guam. Welcome. And the honorable Nick Pula, uh, the Governor of American Samoa. I, uh, wish to welcome each of you, uh, to this committee. America's territories occupy some of the most strategically important ground under the American flag. Uh, they strengthen American national security and support our economy, extend America's presence i- i- into regions that will play a defining role well into the twenty-first century. In the Pacific, Guam, and the Northern Mariana Islands. Um, uh, we see lands that are key to America's ability to deter aggression and maintain stability in the region increasingly threatened by China's growing military ambitions and its potential designs with regard to Taiwan. Further south, American Samoa expands our presence in the region, providing valuable logistical support for U S operations while strengthening our relationships with Pacific island nations. In the Caribbean, Puerto Rico and the U. S. Virgin Islands anchor America's security and economic interests in that region. Their location gives the United States a strategic foothold to stride some of the hemisphere's most important shipping lanes, while Puerto Rico has become a hub of America's pharmaceutical manufacturing capacity. These territories have been part of the American family for generations. They've contributed greatly to our country, and they'll continue to play a really important role in its future. Their importance to our country is undeniable. So, too, are the challenges they face. In Puerto Rico, the island continues to struggle with energy reliability, aging infrastructure, and concerns about the management of public resources. Millions of citizens still live with an electric power grid that too often experiences devastating rolling blackouts. The Virgin Islands face similar challenges, public debt, high energy costs and aging infrastructure continue to place pressure on residents and on businesses. Residents of the Virgin Islands pay some of the highest electricity rates anywhere under the American flag, rates that are roughly three times the U. S. national average, while continuing to endure service disruptions and aging infrastructure. If the northern Mariana Islands' economic concerns increasingly intersect with and affect national security concerns, The CNMI sits just sixty miles from Guam, which houses some of America's most important military installations. Earlier this year, my colleagues and I called on the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of the Interior to terminate the CNMI Economic Vitality and Security Travel Authorization program, a Biden-era policy that allows nationals from the People's Republic of China to enter the Northern Mariana Islands for up to fourteen days without a visa. This policy has threatened, uh, uh, to create, and in some cases created, serious problems. Chinese nationals have been convicted of, uh, trafficking methamphetamine into the CMN- CNMI. The program has facilitated birth tourism and created additional travel avenues to Guam. At a time when the Chinese Communist Party is actively seeking To expand its influence in that region, and seemingly everywhere, we shouldn't be providing special access to a US territory for PRC nationals. I continue to urge the Department of Homeland Security, along with the Department of the Interior, to terminate the CNMI, Economic Vitality and Security Travel Authorization program, and to end Hong Kong's participation in the broader Guam CNMI visa waiver program. Guam remains indispensable to America's security posture in the Indo-Pacific. As tensions in the region grow, Guam's importance will only increase, making it all the more important that we take seriously the challenge, uh, the challenges that we face in that region as a whole. The circumstances facing each territory are very unique, but a common theme run runs through them all. Strong infrastructure, sound governance, economic opportunity, and national security are deeply connected. Our territories are not peripheral to America's future. As competition in the Pacific intensifies, as economic pressures continue in the Caribbean, and as these communities confront challenges of their own, Congress has a responsibility to pay attention. Their future matters, not only to the people who live here, uh, uh, uh, not only to the people who live there, rather, uh, i- in those territories, uh, but to the United States of America as a whole. Uh, cheers. Uh, happy now to recognize, uh, our ranking member, Senator Heimer.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)58:11 – 1:03:17

Thank you, Chairman Lee, and I want to thank all of our governors and witnesses for being with us here today. Um, this hearing reflects an important duty of this committee to invite and provide a platform for leaders from the United States territories to address Congress, and speak directly about the issues affecting their communities. And what we as senators and members of this committee are doing here today is simple but important. We are listening to you. Uh, we can review reports and data, but there is frankly no substitute to hearing directly from all of you about the experiences, the challenges, and the future plans of your communities. Taken together, you represent roughly three point five million Americans living in Puerto Rico and Guam, in the Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, and the US Virgin Islands. Uh, the people you represent serve in our military, they strengthen this nation, they live under the policies passed by Congress, and yet too often their voices reach this chamber only when Congress chooses to make space to hear them. As our nation prepares to mark two hundred and fifty years since the Declaration of Independence I also recognize that more than a hundred and twenty-five years ago the United States established the governing framework for the territories that still shape these relationships today. These relationships are deeply important to our nation, but they have also created a reality where millions of Americans continue to experience a very different relationship with the federal government than those of us living on the mainland. That reality makes hearings like this one even more important. This morning we will hear uh from these representatives about energy costs, about disaster recovery, health care access, food security, and economic development in their communities. We will hear what it takes to build resilience in places that have experienced extraordinary hardship. One challenge facing every territory represented here today is the rising cost of energy. Families, small businesses, schools, hospitals, and local government are all feeling the impact of high electricity and fuel co- and fuel prices. And while we are seeing energy costs skyrocket across the country, island communities often feel those impacts first and more severely because much of their energy supply depends on imported fuel. I know you all are working with your communities to modernize aging energy infrastructure, strengthen grid reliability, but - but I also know that these efforts take time. resources and sustained commitment from the federal government as well. And many of your communities are also still recovering from devastating natural disasters from the hurricanes that reshaped Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands to recent typhoons in the Northern Mariana Islands and Guam that have once again demonstrated how important it is that we invest in durable infrastructure in island communities. And climate change is making all of these challenges harder. from increasing the frequency and severity of extreme weather events, to placing even greater strain on already fragile infrastructure, agriculture, and critical services. Energy resilience is not a luxury for island communities. It is the foundation for everything else. When electricity prices run two or three, even four times higher than the national average, that is not simply an inconvenience. It is. every part of daily life and every corner of the economy. Uh, the issue is not a lack of local leadership or willingness to do the work. The question is whether the federal government is following through on the commitments that have already been made, funds already appropriated, projects already underway. Too often implementation moves far slower than communities can afford to wait. But these challenges extend far beyond energy and disaster recovery. For many families, unequal access to basic federal programs remains part of that same story. I have long supported greater parity for the territories in federal nutrition, and health programs, and I believe that this committee should continue using every tool within its jurisdiction to help communities build resilience against storms against habitat loss and invasive species, against rising energy costs, and against the kind of slow federal response that can turn a disaster into a decade-long crisis. At a time when families are already paying more for electricity, for fuel, groceries, and other daily necessities, Congress has a responsibility to understand whether federal policies are helping communities build resilience or making those challenges harder to overcome. To our witnesses, thank you for making this trip. The Senate does not always come to you, but you are here. And we are listening. Thank you.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:03:19 – 1:04:06

Thanks so much. Uh, and he makes an excellent point. A lot of our witnesses come from across the country. You've traveled, uh, much farther distances than many of them have to travel, and, uh, we're grateful for that. Um, I'll now invite each of you, uh, to give your opening statements, um, and your full written statements will also be made part of the record. We'll begin today with Governor González-Golon. Um, uh, uh, who has been serving as, uh, the fifteenth Governor of Puerto Rico since the ratification of the Puerto Rico Constitution in nineteen fifty-two. She formerly served, uh, in the Puerto Rico House of Representatives from two thousand two, uh, to twenty seventeen, and as Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty five. Uh, Governor Gonzalez-Colon, you may proceed.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:04:07 – 1:08:51

Thank you, Chairman Lee, Ranking Member Hendrik, and all members of this committee. Thank you for the opportunity to bring the state of Puerto Rico today. I think it's important to having the territories today. As Governor, I made a commitment to restore fiscal responsibility, accelerate the reconstruction of our energy grid and critical infrastructure, and strengthen Puerto Rico's contribution to national and economic security. And we are delivering some results. In two thousand sixteen, Puerto Rico faced bankruptcy and Congress enacted promessa. Last year, I signed our first certified balanced budget since that law. And now, for the first time in a decade, the government of Puerto Rico led the budget development process. Once approved by thirteen days, we expect this will become our second certified certified balanced budget. We have cut contract spending by over nine hundred million dollars in just one year, and and repealed nearly four hundred regulations and thirteen pages of obsolete regulatory text. And we are advancing reforms to improve the ease of doing business and attract investment on the island. As a result, total employment reached one point one million in March of this year, the highest level since two thousand and eight. In one year our trade surplus expanded by thirty percent, exports increased by three point six percent, reaching sixty-four point two billion dollars. And construction employment increased by five percent, adding n- one thousand nine hundred jobs. When I took office, Puerto Rico was facing a power generation shortfall, and projections indicated that we will experience widespread blackouts blackouts last summer. Thanks to God, and working with the Trump administration, and with emergency orders from the Department of Energy, we restored more than one uh sixteen hundred megawatts of generation capacity. and have not experienced an island-wide blackout in over a year. With DOE's support, we are investing three hundred and sixty-eight million in million dollars in grid improvements, scheduled for completion by the end of this year. With EPA permitting assistance, we are converting power plants from oil to cleaner and more affordable natural gas. A transition expected to reduce energy costs by approximately a hundred million eighteen million annually. We are also pursuing three thousand megawatts of new permanent base load generation through public-private partnerships. Throughout strong oversight of utility operators, we have accelerated FEMA funded energy reconstruction projects increasing construction by more than twenty-five percent. FEMA funded permanent works projects in execution have increased by more than thirty-seven percent. During the past week, over the thousand hundred customers lacked water due decades of underinvestment in our water utility system. We're still restoring that service, and to permanently restore it, we have committed over seven point five billion dollars in three hundred and fifty-one active capital improvement projects. We're helping bring manufacturing back to America through an aggressive reshoring strategy after all made in Puerto Rico is made in the USA. To date, twenty twenty-three manufacturing companies such as Eli Lilly Amgen, Stryker, have committed to invest more than two point six billion dollars and create more than five thousand seven hundred jobs, supporting our economy while reducing US dependence on foreign adversaries for pharmaceuticals and other critical products. With a renewed attention on the Western hemisphere, Puerto Rico is also playing a leading role supporting the counter-narcotics operations in the Caribbean, and helping keeping the homeland safe. Looking ahead, One of our most pressing priorities is securing long-term Medicaid funding for Puerto Rico after the current five-year agreement I achieved while I was serving in Congress expired in September twenty twenty seven. More than one point three million Americans on the island rely on this program. As I have outlined, we are balancing budgets, rebuilding our new infrastructure, and strengthening the American supply chain, and creating new opportunities. As the United States approaches its two hundred and fifty anniversary, Puerto Rico stands ready to continue contributing as an equal full-fledged member of the union. Since two thousand and twelve, Puerto Rico voters chosen statehood in four plebiscites. I look forward to working with Congress to respect that democratic mandate, and secure equal rights, responsibilities and representation for the three point two million Americans who call Puerto Rico home. Thank you, and I look forward to your questions.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:08:52 – 1:09:08

Thanks so much, Governor. Uh, we'll now turn to Governor Brian, uh, of the U. S. Virgin Islands. Governor Brian is serving as the ninth governor of the U. S. Virgin Islands, a role that he has held since January seventh, two thousand nineteen. Governor Brian, you're recognized and you may proceed.

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)1:09:09 – 1:15:07

Chairman Lee, Ranking Member Heinrich, distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. I am honored to be here on behalf of the more than eighty-seven thousand American citizens and other residents who call the United States, Virgin Islands, their home. As I prepare to conclude the services, as I prepare to conclude the service as Governor, I do so with great pride. I've had the privilege and the test of serving through some of the most difficult chapters in our history. I've watched our people recover from two category five hurricanes, and endure a global pandemic that temporarily brought our tourism economy to a standstill. But despite this, we have come out of the other side with a tourism industry and a community that is stronger than before. And through it all, I have watched Virgin Islanders rebuild with the resilience, determination, and patriotism that have always defined our community. We are proud Americans. Our sons and daughters serve in uniform. Our students pledge allegiance to the same flag that flies over this capital. But throughout my years as Governor, I have come to understand a difficult truth. Despite our American citizenship, Virgin Islanders are asked to overcome barriers that Americans elsewhere never have to face, simply because we're because we're in this great nation we call home. That is not simply unfair to the people of the Virgin Islands. It is also a missed opportunity for the Union. We occupy one of the most strategic locations in the Caribbean. We can strengthen America's maritime presence, support energy security, expand regional commerce, and serve as a gateway to the hemisphere. Yet our ability to contribute is too often constrained by outdated federal policies and foreign actions beyond our control. And over the past seven years I have learned that these issues are not faced only by our territory the American territories have increasingly come together to identify shared challenges and speak with a common voice. That cooperation has shown that these are not isolated concerns, they are common American challenges that can and should be addressed, through partnership. So my message today is simple, the people of the Virgin Islands are not asking for special treatment. We are asking Congress to remove these barriers to guarantee that we have the same opportunities, the same tools, and the same chance to succeed that every American community on the mainland enjoys. One of the clearest examples of these barriers is health care. More than twenty-four percent of our population is over the age of sixty-five, and thousands of Virgin Islanders rely on Medicaid, Medicare and disability benefits. Congress has already taken important steps to improve the health care funding for the territories, such as a permanent adjustment to the territory's Medicaid matching rate. And I thank the members of both parties who helped make that progress possible. But the work remains unfinished. While the Medicaid funding in the States automatically expands whenever enrollment or economic needs rise, the Virgin Islands continues to operate under a permanent federal funding cap. Our hospitals face similar challenges. Even Ver- when Virgin Islanders can access care, the institution serving them must operate under a reimbursement system, TEFRA, that has not kept pace with the realities of modern medicine. Similar disparities exist with supplemental Security Income or SSI. An elderly American citizen living in a state may qualify for SSI benefit. But that same American citizen with the same disability and the same financial need may lose access to those benefits simply by moving to the Virgin Islands. Their citizenship has not changed, their circumstances have not changed, only their address. The promises and benefits of American citizenship should not depend on the geography as the Supreme Court recognized in United States versus Vallejo Maradero. Only Congress can address these disparities. And the same principle applies to economic opportunity. For generations, the refinery on St. Croix was an economic engine for our territory, created jobs and strengthened families. But it remains closed due to the uh heavy-handed application of environmental rules. That is not only a loss for Virgin Islanders, it is a missed opportunity for the united states we need the kind of future at home that helps the federal policies help today under the net cfc tested income regime federal tax rules can treat investment in the virgin islands as much like the investment in foreign jurisdiction discouraging companies from investing in an american community but the virgin islands is not a foreign country we opened under a miracle tax system established by congress itself, yet we are treated disparately by the European Union as we are uh a blacklisted uh entity even though our taxes are cons- are controlled by the US. I want to conclude by saying, as my see my time is running out, that I I really want to thank the Congress uh over the last eight years, we have made tremendous progress. We have fixed our retirement system, by the end of the year over fifty percent of our grid will be renewable. We have recovered uh over twenty five billion dollars for our recovery. We have out of that eleven billion of that is already uh created opportunities in contracts uh our tourism product is on fire all we need now is to get the same treatment as everybody else and yes our our power woes are becoming less and less but we still need some help there as well so I'd like to thank the committee for their that they have done for listening to us over the years and for the tremendous support of the bipartisan budget act which has really set us on a course for, that is anchored in progress. Thank you.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:15:09 – 1:15:42

Thank you, Governor Brandt, uh, the chair now recognizes Mister Hofschneider, uh, testifying on behalf of the governor of the Northern Mariana Islands. Mister Hofschneider serves as chief of staff to Governor Apateng, who again unfortunately was not able to join us today, as uh CNMI continues to recover from the effects of Typhoon Sinlaku, which made landfill in April but has caused significant destruction to CNMI, necessitating uh his ongoing presence there uh to uh to dig out from that mess. Uh, Mister Hofschneider, thanks for joining us, you're now recognized.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:15:43 – 1:25:15

Thank you. Hofidei, Tiro, Buenos Dias, Chairman Lee, Ranking Member Heinrich, and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you. I am Henry Hoff Schneider and I serve as the Chief of Staff to David M. Appetine, Governor of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands. I am honored to provide these remarks on behalf of Governor Appetine and the people of the Commonwealth. The Governor sends his regrets that he is unable to appear in person today. Conditions in the CNMI and the current demands of disaster recovery require his presence at home, as our government, our communities, our federal partners continue to work on the work of recovery following Supertyphoon Sinloku. The governor has asked me to convey his deep appreciation to this committee for its undistracted attention to the needs of the CNMI and for the federal partnership that remains essential to our recovery stability and long-term future. When the governor was last in last in Washington DC in February of this year the commonwealth participated in section nine O two consultation and the senior meeting of the inter-agency on insular group uh areas. At that time we discussed many of the same long-term challenges that continue to shape our future, economic recovery, infrastructure, energy, labor, health care, and federal partnership. In Ferber- February these challenges were already severe. The Commonwealth was facing a deep fiscal and economic crisis caused by the failure of our primary economic sector. tourism to recover from the collapse of international travel after the covid-nineteen pandemic, historically important visitor markets had deteriorated, government revenue had declined sharply, and federal pandemic resources had expired. Since then, these challenges have deepened. Nine weeks ago, Super Typhoons in Loko struck our islands, it tested our people, our infrastructure, public services, and our economy. damaged homes, disrupted power and water systems, affected businesses, public facilities, roads, ports, schools and health care services, it plays a new pressure on a government already operating under austerity. Governor has asked me to be clear with the committee. The cinema is still recovering. It is recovering from super typhoons in Lago. It is recovering from economic collapse. It is recovering from the pandemic. That is why federal assistance at this moment in the Commonwealth's history is so important. Commonwealth has limited means to resolve its fiscal challenges on its own. We have a small revenue base, a narrow private sector economy, high fixed costs, and limited access to outside financing. We must still fund schools, health care, public safety, utilities, corrections, medical referrals, employee and retiree health coverage and pension obligations. Those responsibilities do not d- do not disappear bef- because revenues decline. Post-disaster revenue data show that come well fiscal two thousand twenty-six revenue forecast had been revised downward by approximately nine percent, or twelve point three million dollars. In A- April twenty-two twenty-six, revenues fell approximately six point seven million dollars, or thirty-two percent below the established baseline. We have also incurred more than two point six million dollars in obligated unbudgeted disaster related costs. These are major losses for a government of our size. The largest recurring weaknesses in our economy here base economy ec- revenue base is the condition of the randomized tourism ministry. Tourism remains our primary private sector economic engine. It supports hotels, restaurants, transportation, retail, tours, cultural activities, airport revenues, jobs and government collections. But visitors arrive arrivals are projected at approximately four hundred four thousand five hundred eleven in fiscal year two thousand twenty six, more than five hundred thousand fewer than the six hundred seven thousand arrivals recorded in fiscal year twenty eighteen. Airline seats capacity has fallen from approximately seven hundred sixty-two thousand seats in fiscal year twenty eighteen to approximately one hundred sixty-seven five hundred seats in fiscal year two twenty two thousand twenty six, a seventy-eight percent decline. For the CNMI, air service is the foundation of our tourism rec- recovery. Visitors cannot drive to the Commonwealth, they cannot take a train. Every visitor must arrive by air. When airline seats disappear, the ceiling for recovery drops with them. This has created a difficult cycle. Fewer flights remain mean fewer visitors. Fewer visitors mean lower hotel occupancy and lower hotel occupancy tax collection. Lower collections mean fewer resources for marketing and air service development. The Mariana's Visitors' Authority's share of hotel occupancy tax revenues has declined from fourteen point two million dollars in fiscal year twenty. to approximately one point four million dollars in fiscal year twenty twenty six. We are trying to rebuild tourism for approximately twenty two percent of airline seats seventeen percent of the visitors and ten percent of the NVA occupancy tax funding that existed when the industry was healthy this is why economic the Economic Vitality and Security Travel Authorization Authorization Program EVS TAP and secure travel pathways are so important, the cinema takes national security security seriously. We do not ask the federal government to ignore security. We ask that security be balanced with the economic reality of our islands. EVS tap must be secure, accountable, and supported by strong screening. But removing it without a workable replacement would harm our economy at a time when we are still rec- covering from the disaster and years of decline. We ask for serious consideration of secure travel pathways for the Philippines and other appropriate visitor markets. The Philippines is a close ally of the United States and has strong family tie ties to our community. A Philippines waiver or or or travel authorization could strengthen tourism, support air service and r- reduce dependence on any one market. Energy cost is another major pressure. The CNMI relies heavily on imported fuel for power generation. In May two thousand twenty six, the Commonwealth Utilities Corporation fuel adjustment charge increased from approximately twenty four cents per kilowatt hour to approximately forty four cents per kilowatt hour an increase of approximately eighty one point six percent the Commonwealth government has to historically been spent approximately twelve million to fourteen million dollars per year on utilities. Under the higher fuel adjustment charge, annual utility costs could rise to approximately twenty one point eight million dollars to twenty five point four million dollars. That could mean nearly ten million dollars to eleven million dollars in additional annual costs for government operations. Schools need power, healthcare facilities need power, power, public safety, buildings, water systems, waste water systems, ports, public facilities, all depend on reliable electricity. The CNMI needs reliable baseload power, a modern generation plan, stronger grid infrastructure, energy efficiency, and continued support for the Commonwealth Utilities Corporation. Clean energy is important, but we must be practical. Our hospital cannot run on promises. Our economy cannot recover on promises. We need power that works everyday, including after storms. We are grateful for FEMA and SBA and all federal agencies working with us after super typhoons in Lokoa. Their system helps families repair homes, helps small businesses keep workers employed, restores public services and brings co- brings confidence back to our community. But I ask the committee to understand that the financial impact of a disaster in the cinema cinema goes beyond damaged buildings, includes lost business, lost wages, uh in- interrupted tourism, higher construction costs, energy power costs, and the strained place in a small government with limited resources. For that reason, I respectfully ask Congress and the administration to support an increased federal cost share for FEMA pub- public assistance categories C three G. The C three G was must repair roads, public buildings, utilities, waterways and other permanent infrastructure. We cannot fully recover if the local share for that workforce's deeper cuts to essential services. The labor impacts are also serious. As of May two thousand twenty six the CMI Department of Labor had received nineteen workforce I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm Mr. Chairman, can I continue or

Sen. Lee (UT)1:25:16 – 1:25:24

Uh, y- yeah, if you could, if you could wrap it up and uh the next thirty seconds or so uh we'll move on. You're about four minutes over but uh y- y- uh you can have another thirty seconds to wrap up.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:25:25 – 1:25:31

I'll just wrap up. Um, I still have more to read from Governor Appetine, but uh thank you for this opportunity.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:25:32 – 1:25:59

Thank you so much. Uh, really appreciate it, uh, Mister Hoffschneider. OK, uh, uh, we um will now turn, uh, to the Honourable, uh, uh, Governor Guerrero from Guam. Uh, she's, uh, currently serving as Guam's ninth Governor. Uh, this is a position she's held since January seventh, twenty nineteen. Governor Guerrero, you're recognized. Hit the microphone button, if you will. Thank you.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)1:25:59 – 1:31:11

Sorry. Mister Chairman Lee, Ranking Member Heinrich, and members of this committee, half a day and thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the people of Guam. Guam sits at the center of America's Indo-Pacific defense posture. From Guam, the United States projects power, sustains logistics, supports humanitarian operations and maintains deterrence across the region. Today that strategic goal is expanding through one of the largest military realignments in the Pacific since World War Two. This build-up is unfolding on a small island community with finite land, aging infrastructure and civilian systems already under pressure. Guam is the tip of but that spear is only as sharp as the community behind it. Our resilience as a community is the foundation underpinning America's defense readiness in the Pacific. It is the basis for DOD's call for a whole of government, one Guam approach to strengthening our Indo-Pakom forced posture dating back to two thousand and six. It is what not only justifies the reconvening of the Economic Adjustment Committee, but demands it. Health care is the clearest example. Guam is nearly seven hours from advanced care on US soil. In the Pacific, distance creates risk. The Department of Defense has recognized Guam's role in medical surge capacity and civilian-military interoperability in the Indo-Pacific. But our health care infrastructure was not built for the growth and mission, demand now arriving. A modern Guam medical complex will strengthen civilian care, military readiness and regional response capacity in a theater where time and distance shape outcomes. The same challenge exists with power res- resilience. The military mission on Guam runs in a civilian grid vulnerable to typhoons, aging infrastructure and above ground transmission failures. Our recent brush with Super Typhoons and LACO reminded us that Guam remains one major storm away from becoming a critical defense community unable to fully function operationally. Hardening and undergrounding critical power systems would strengthen operational continuity, emergency response, communications, healthcare delivery and military readiness throughout the region. Cyber security must also be treated as part of the national defense picture. Cyber attacks, supply chain disruption, and grey zone operations now target the civilian systems that sustain military power. Guam's hospitals, utilities, public agencies, communication systems, and infrastructure networks are part of the resilience architecture that supports America's specific posture. That same principle should guide the federal government's approach to deep-sea mining. Guam understands the national security interests of critical minerals, as well as supply chain resilience. But decisions involving the Pacific Ocean cannot be made without the Pacific communities most directly affected by them. BOEM current process concerns potential mineral leasing across a vast offshore area near Guam and the CNMI that is one regional marine ecosystem. And any environmental impacts to this ecosystem will disrupt our economy, our culture and social integrity, lasting for generations. For that reason, Congress must invest in the infrastructure that underpins both Guam's resilience and America's defense readiness, including a modern Guam medical complex and the hardening of our power system. And Guam is already doing its part. We're not sitting on the sidelines waiting to be rescued. We've eliminated our tr- our structural deficit, rebuilt our rainy day fund and reduced debt obligations for the first time in generations. Now we ask the federal government to match the scale of the mission with the scale of the partnership, convene the EAC, adopt a one Guam approach, align resources with reality. As we join the nation in celebrating two hundred the years of independence, I ask that you remember this. Guam has given the lives of its sons and daughters, the best of its land and a share of its treasure to keep this nation safe and free. We have done so without a vote in Congress, a vote for president, or a meaningful voice in our own future. Yet our commitment to America has never been measured by what we receive, but by what we are willing to give. Today we ask only to be equal. I also would officially invite you to come visit our island because you will see how beautiful it is where America's day begins. Sidus Masi.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:31:14 – 1:31:29

Thank you so much, uh, Governor Guerrero, and, uh, uh, finally, last but not least, the chair recognizes Governor Pula from American Samoa. Governor Pula is serving as the ninth governor of American Samoa. He's previously held a number of roles in the United States government,

Nick Pula (Witness)1:31:37 – 1:38:10

Thank you. As uh, cultural chief of the people of American Samoa, I remove my traditional lay as a sign of respect, as I speak to the esteemed body of the United States Senate. Chairman Lee, Ranking Member Heinrich, Distinguished members of the committee, talofa lava, and warm greetings from the people of American Samoa. Thank you for the opportunity to to appear before you today on behalf of the nearly fifty thousand American citizens and nationals who call American Samoa home. At the outset, I would like to thank this committee for its continued support of the US territories. I also extend my compliment to Congresswoman who we fatally red-wagoned on behalf of American Samoa and the territories on the US House side. In addition, I'm grateful to the inter-agency group on the insular areas, IGIA, for its role in coordinating federal engagement and helping advance critical infrastructure and economic development priorities across our islands. American Samoa has proudly been part of the American family for a hundred and twenty-six years. As America's only permanent sovereign presence south of the equator, American Samoa occupies a unique place in the Indo-Pacific region. Yet our greatest contribution to this nation is not our location, it is our people. For generations, American Samoa, likened to its sister territories, has maintained one of the highest per capita military enlistment rates in our country. Our sons and daughters proudly serve this nation in times of peace and war, demonstrating an unwavering commitment to the United States. Despite that commitment, American Samoa continues to face long-standing challenges. Our per capita income remains below that of every US state. Geographic isolation, high transportation costs, and limited economic scale continue to challenge our ability to grow and diversify our economy. Yet we have demonstrated that federal investments can produce meaningful results. For example, American Samoa obligated its full American Rescue Plan Act, ARPA, allocation ahead of the federal deadline. Some of those funds are now supporting significant health care modernization efforts at our only hospital, the LBJ Tropical Medical Center. We are constructing a new emergency unit an ICU and the territory's first MRI facility. These projects demonstrate that federal investments, when paired with responsible stewardship, deliver measurable results. However, significant barriers remain. Through the IGIA, American Samoa has identified fifty-nine priority infrastructure projects totaling approximately two point six billion across energy, transportation, healthcare, telecommunications, and so forth. These are foundational investments required to maintain essential services and support long-term economic viability. I would like to highlight six priority requests. First, energy security. We request continued investment in renewable generation, battery stor- storage, grid modernization and water infrastructure projects. Our grid is small. Isolated and fully exposed to global fuel price volatility, reducing diesel dependence is the fastest path to lowering costs. American Samoa Power Authority, ASPA, requested five projects, totaling twenty-three point three million. Second, the port of Pangopangol. We seek federal partnership to modernize our Seoul Maritime Gateway, with an estimated cost exceeding two hundred million. The territory has already committed ten million for stabilization. We are also looking at using the port as a transshipment hub for critical minerals mined in the Cook Islands, facilitating transport to the US for processing. Modernization is urgent. Current cargo handling capacity lacks regional ports that process more than twice the containers per hour. This investment will lower freight costs strengthen supply chains and protect a strategic US asset in the Pacific. Third, health c- health care modernization. We seek continued support to modernize our hospital and expand clinical capacity. Today, patients requiring specialized care must travel to Hawaii or New Zealand. We request relief from the territorial Medicaid match requirement, and inclusion in future rural health transformation funding. Current statutory structures do not reflect the physical realities of insular systems. Fourth, air traffic control. Our air traffic is controlled by a control tower in independent Samoa, eighty miles away. We request funding for a US operated air traffic control tower at the Pangopangos International Airport Airport to improve aviation safety, emergency coordination and operational control. Fifth, deep-sea mining policy. American Samoa maintains opposition to deep-sea mining in its waters at this time. Should federal policy advance, we request rigorous science-based review, full consultation with Pacific jurisdictions, environmental safeguards and equitable benefit sharing. Sixth. ARPA t- extension. We respectfully request an extension of the December thirty first, twenty twenty six deadline of for ARPA funds to ensure full and responsible deployment of remaining recovery resources. The story of American Samoa is not of dependence, it is one of partnership. Continued partnership will help American Samoa become resilient, economically viable, and capable of supporting both local priorities and broader national interests. in the Pacific. Thank you for this opportunity. God bless the United States, and God bless American Samoa. Thank you.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:38:12 – 1:38:38

Thanks so much. Governor, appreciate your opening statements. We'll now proceed with five minute rounds of questions. In order of seniority, I'll go first, followed by uh Ranking Member Heinrich, then after that in order of seniority, subject to the early board rule, as long uh followed by this committee. Uh, Governor Gonzalez-Colon, I'd like to start with you. Um, your - your former secretary of economic development resigned after stating publicly that interventions by your office,

Nick Pula (Witness)1:38:39 – 1:38:39

Yeah.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:38:39 – 1:39:16

um, following contracting investigations, quote, " made it impossible to continue performing the duties of the position with the integrity and autonomy that the role requires and that every secretary owes to the public," close quote. Now, his resignation was followed by ten other senior officials' resignations at the, uh, uh, resignation of the director of, uh, of core three, uh, the disaster recovery terminal. Now, did you or anyone in your office encourage, uh, direct or request that disciplinary actions related to these investigations be reversed?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:39:18 – 1:40:12

No, sir. And first, they're separate things. The first, the allegations are all false. The second, the core three director, this did resign. and he told me about that in April of this year because he got a family issue, and he will continue to work with me in other re in in other assets. So it's completely uh false, the allegation the former secretary is making. Uh second, he did ask about that contract, and I instructed him uh about cancelling uh because he he he prompted uh the problem with the contract, and he was worry about the situation, who I so I told him to he if he was distracted to cancel and if we do the contact, no contact was awarded uh whatsoever. So those are false allegations and they're investigated at this time by the Department of Justice in Puerto Rico.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:40:12 – 1:40:17

OK. So so you've you've ordered an independent review of the allegations

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:40:16 – 1:40:17

Yes, yes.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:40:17 – 1:40:20

that have been raised and you're categorically denying allegations

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:40:19 – 1:40:20

All of them.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:40:20 – 1:40:23

of the uh of the former Director of Economic Development.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:40:21 – 1:40:21

All of them.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:40:23 – 1:40:30

Now I how can Congress be assured that federal funds sent to Puerto Rico weren't being misused or or misplaced.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:40:31 – 1:41:18

First of all, there are many federal funding on the island. We've been increasing the participation with the federal um uh IG office, the federal uh FEMA with the FBI and all uh the federal liaisons in many of the areas. We're increasing uh the reports in all of the agencies, not not federal funding uh at this time, during the last uh year. are being misused. As a matter of fact, we are increasing the use of federal funding and we are imposing uh more regulations in in s- uh uh to oversight and approving and presenting more local laws to review and to oversight on local and federal um uh federal uh uh budgeting, and and review and corrupt uh uh probes as well.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:41:18 – 1:41:35

OK, so i- if the allegations raised by the former uh Secretary of Economic Development are emphatically entirely false, i- i- any idea why he would say those things if they were untrue? It seems like the kind of accusation that he would know if it were not true, uh, that, that that could be figured out. Any, any ideas on that?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:41:35 – 1:42:19

I I I don't know what political motivations he may have. I don't I don't have an idea. Uh, there have been he submitted an allegation of one of his employees, uh, that has been submitted to investigation, that is part of the uh the Department of Justice, and he was referred uh to further investigation by the secretary of justice in puerto rico and is right now on the current investigation and that's the allegation saying that my office myself or my chief of staff is involved is completely false uh and and creating the narrative of any kind of involvement on this issue is is completely false again um there is no evidence there is no evidence of that sir in i will i will uh i will tell you more the

Sen. Lee (UT)1:42:13 – 1:42:14

thank you

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:42:19 – 1:42:30

The facts are there. There is no soaring uh deposition at this at this time. And the employee that he is referring, he is fighting that allegation as well.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:42:32 – 1:42:47

Uh, thank you. Uh, now, Mister Mister Hofschneider, do you think it makes sense for the citizens of one of America's biggest, uh, uh, most menacing adversaries, uh, that is the People's Republic of China, should be allowed to enter a US territory without a visa?

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:42:50 – 1:43:05

That's a good question. Um, the answer to that, um, as we look at it from a CNMI point of view, they shouldn't. Um, but there are other ways for other nationals to enter the CNMI, um, without a visa.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:43:06 – 1:43:12

Uh, uh, OK, so so you agree that Secretary Mullen should pro close that program with respect to the PRC?

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:43:13 – 1:43:36

Chairman Lee, that that's a that's a very difficult question to answer because Our economy depends on tourism. And around us, in the CNMI, the closest uh island is Guam. Uh, some people go to vacation or relax in the CNMI. And their US citizens, some of them are maybe not US citizens, but they enter the CNMI.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:43:36 – 1:43:37

But you would agree,

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:43:37 – 1:43:37

But, you

Sen. Lee (UT)1:43:37 – 1:43:43

wouldn't you, that uh, that w- we we shouldn't sacrifice American national security for tourism dollars, wouldn't you?

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:43:43 – 1:44:30

Of course not. But, but there's gotta be a way to make them both work at the same time um we take national security uh very seriously we we live with it we breathe with it the military comes and visits uh our governor once a month or regular meetings happen and and we talk to them about their activities what's going on on the island of Tinian as you all know there's a big military project going on there Guam as well And it's it's very serious, but to just cut it off and and look at tourists from other uh market source uh would be very, very detrimental to our to the cinema economy.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:44:30 – 1:44:46

OK, uh my time's expired, but I'm not confused by your answer. I thought you were saying a few minutes ago that you agreed that people from China should not be able to enter your territory without a visa. But your last statement seemed to contradict that. Uh, help me understand which way you're going.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:44:46 – 1:44:55

Uh, what I'm saying is we need to work on a system that, um, would protect national security and protect the CNMI's economy as well.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:44:55 – 1:44:56

Understood.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:44:55 – 1:44:56

That's that's our life.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:44:56 – 1:44:56

Yeah.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:44:56 – 1:45:06

You're talking about tourism generally, not not necessarily supporting ongoing, uh, uh, visa-free entry by PRC nationals into your territory.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)1:45:06 – 1:45:08

Right. Um, let's work on that.

Sen. Lee (UT)1:45:07 – 1:45:10

OK. Understood. Thank you. Senator Heinrich.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:45:12 – 1:45:43

Governor, uh, Colon, um, Puerto Rico residents continue to face all too frequent outages and reliability concerns. Uh, that's despite billions of dollars in federal investments intended to modernize the grid. And I understand that you've raised concerns regarding Luma's performance and in fact are actively moving to challenge their their legal contract in court. Uh, if Luma's out of the picture, Who steps up to manage Puerto Rico's grid and generation assets?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:45:45 – 1:46:35

Since the last year we've been trying to resolve the um the lack of commitment of Luma with the government of Puerto Rico, I inherit that contract, so what we've been doing is first trying uh to coordinate those difference w with the contract the contract says, that when you have a difference with the contractor, in this case the operator, you you manage those difference negotiating with them and having um uh that um that difference being resolved by the courts and we tried to do that and that's the reason we filed a first uh motion to the courts that's still uh pending they tried to remand that to the federal uh case uh the uh judge swain at the federal level said that that should be resolved by the local courts so that still in the in that uh in that um in that

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:46:35 – 1:46:36

venue

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:46:35 – 1:46:52

that that court the second we filed after not being resolved we filed a second motion to cancel uh the contract uh that is still uh pending uh to be review uh one of the issues is that we are asking the court to make a transition process to allow

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:46:51 – 1:46:54

right no i understand that but if you are successful

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:46:55 – 1:46:55

mmm

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:46:55 – 1:46:59

who steps in and manages the grid in the generation process

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:46:58 – 1:47:06

we want to have a private company as well uh with experience in the united states Uh, so we are not looking to get into, uh, public hands.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:47:06 – 1:47:13

So that that would require an immediate transition, it would require a commitment from some private entity.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:47:10 – 1:47:13

At least for you. Yes.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:47:13 – 1:47:19

I wanna understand that transition. I don't want there to be a gap. I mean the the people of Puerto Rico

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:47:17 – 1:47:21

Of course. There should not be any gap, of course.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:47:19 – 1:47:27

need more reliability in in their power than they have now. So, like, who would who would fill that gap?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:47:28 – 1:47:52

The question that we are asking to the court in that case is to allow a transition process at least to a year to allow the government of puerto rico to begin a formal process to ask for um uh companies that are interested and they are uh to begin that process of formal uh request for proposals and begin that transition process but as we are

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:47:52 – 1:47:58

so would luma still retain management through that year or with someone else

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:47:58 – 1:48:04

that that will be uh part of the decision that the court needs to make Because as as we are binding

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:48:03 – 1:48:08

But what what incentive would Luma have to to manage for a full year if they're if they're

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:48:09 – 1:48:13

We are we are not we need we need the the court to decide

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:48:09 – 1:48:10

out?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:48:14 – 1:48:25

how that transition process will go, because the government of Puerto Rico is not looking to go back uh to government operating the system, and and and I wanna and I and I wanna make that clear.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:48:23 – 1:48:27

I appreciate that. PREPA had huge challenges in that.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:48:26 – 1:49:04

Exactly, we already got a bankruptcy in PREPA, so we are not looking at the government take back that operation. So we wanna have a a private uh operator like we do have Luma right now, and a transition to another private operator. Uh so to make that transition process we should have companies uh with experience in United States. So so we want companies that are got experience in United States in transmission and distribution to make that happen. In order in order to get that ready, we need the court to allow us that period of of one year to make that uh, open process. We cannot begin that process with the proper instruction of the court.

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:49:05 – 1:49:19

Uh, you referenced w- thirteen hundred megawatts of, uh, restored generation capacity. Um, can you walk through what specific projects represent - make up that thirteen hundred megawatt figure?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:49:18 – 1:49:28

Yes. During last year, uh, we saw many reports of, you know, what was going on. We got a very old system, and - and many people know from seventies and

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:49:27 – 1:49:30

Yeah, I r- recognized that

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:49:30 – 1:50:50

uh so we went with the department of energy and and and and prepa and and even genera which is the other operator to try to switch oil uh and and uh all installations uh to convert them uh to uh to lng right and and most of them and just combined cycle so we are talking about plants like san juan and palo seco um that were transitioning, even last week we were transitioning all turbines, uh they were invested more than fifty eight million dollars from the Department of Energy, uh and they were revamped uh in in in a few months and and given now uh more energy. Um uh pickers, new unit pickers that are being uh converted on the island, they were using oil and now are using uh gas, they're gonna be installed from FEMA money, uh tesla units for batteries across the island as well six units that are gonna be installed to the end of this year so what we've been doing is changing the complete use of oil to a diversify basket basket of energy combined cycle um uh of course uh lng and batteries as an opportunity to increase energy base load and life

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:50:50 – 1:51:05

chairman i apologize for going over my time uh before for uh as i wrap here i just wanna ask unanimous consent to enter a letter from uh governor uh guerrero and governor apatang regarding deep-sea bed mining into the record

Sen. Lee (UT)1:51:05 – 1:51:06

that will be admitted without objection

Sen. Heinrich (NM)1:51:08 – 1:51:09

senator wyden

Sen. Wyden (OR)1:51:09 – 1:51:49

thank you mr. chair governor i think we need a little bit of an update on medicaid and uh a number of members here uh on our side have worked hard to try to provide stability to puerto rico's medicaid program over the last few years but the temporary fixes are about to expire as you know i'm sure but i think if we but we need to we need to be more flexible and we need to be more flexible if congress fails to act puerto rico plunges into a because i think it falls multi-billion dollar medicaid funding uh cliff near your nearly half of your population yeah you know it just relies on this program i mean this is a life-saving healthcare well i think it's a it's a huge yeah that's a big effort but it's a pretty big effort really can you just paint uh a clear picture for the committee of what this funding stability means for puerto rico

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:51:49 – 1:53:39

it will be get us dropping not having uh that appointment of resources uh in September of twenty twenty seven. First of all I wanna say thank you Senator, because you've been al- you've been always a leader helping us uh to the government of Puerto Rico to achieve uh the last deal of making um the huge amount that was done, uh during my time serving in Congress. I I will give you an a a curious example. Puerto Rico's Medicaid money is always capped at fifty five percent FMAP. That that means that we cannot receive more than five hundred million dollars. It's it's cut by law. Uh, d d uh different from the rest of the states, that depends on a formula based on uh the poverty rate. We don't have that as as territories. So th so that means that Congress need to intervene. As the Hurricanes hit us in two thousand seventeen, we received a hundred percent Fmat for two years. And after that, because of the because of the pandemic, we received Eighty six percent, FMA, which is the uh the the cost share of uh the federal uh money that was assigned to the to the territories. At this time it's seventy six percent. It it covers one point three million Americans, at least in Puerto Rico. Even with that money, and we're talking about three point six billion dollars a years on the island, that never cor- uh covers all the mandatory programs for Medicaid on the island. Because we cannot afford the rest of the programs. That means we don't cover long-term care for elderly citizens in Puerto Rico. That's the reason you see a lot of Puerto Ricans moving to Florida, moving to Texas, and moving to the rest of the States, because there they can receive all the mandatory programs.

Sen. Wyden (OR)1:53:39 – 1:53:43

I wanna I wanna I wanna get in one other question that I know you care about.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:53:39 – 1:53:42

But in Sorry.

Sen. Wyden (OR)1:53:43 – 1:54:49

I just want you to know that those of us that have been working with you, we're gonna pull out all the stops to handle the situation that's coming up at the end of the year and i share your view that the pain would be devastating the other question i just wanted to get into very quickly with you is um the question of um of the statehood uh uh matter and uh the department of justice and state and congresses have made clear again and again that the alternatives to the current unincorporated territory status under the constitution are essentially statehood nationhood is a purely dependent uh nation or nationhood freely associated with the united states but certainly there are people in politics you know here who are floating ideas of a commonwealth that isn't governed by congress and can even make its own treaties but it's still part of the united states what do you think about these i call them unconstitutional fantasies they seem to me to be a distraction and the status question needs to stay focused on if Puerto Rico should become a state or an independent nation, and I would be interested in your thoughts.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:54:49 – 1:56:21

First of all, even Republican and Democratic uh Department of Justice and any administration of both parties has declared that unconstitutional. Non-territory can declare what federal laws applies to a territory. That that that cannot happen. In a plebiscite proposed by the Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico saying that you can have a territory saying what federal laws applies and what not, and they can have which country they wanna do a treaty or not, is been banned by the Supreme Court of this land and the Department of Justice, by both departments, uh by the Department of Justice of the Republican Administration and Democratic Administration, both. And the people of Puerto Rico have rejected, not once, not twice, four times in a row but and and the last one in twenty twenty four but more than sixty percent of the vote against the current territorial status so that is denying the consensus of the island of more than sixty percent that they want statehood so senator i believe that the only options the people of puerto rico got are or independence remaining as a territory or statehood which is the preferred option of the people of the island and you know what more than two hundred and thirty thousand people on our island have served the United States uniform and as as we are celebrating the two hundred and fifty anniversary of America it is time to solve our issue

Sen. Wyden (OR)1:56:21 – 1:56:28

well s- well said and i particularly appreciate your salute to the people who wear our uniform it's incredibly important,

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:56:26 – 1:56:27

thank you sir

Sen. Wyden (OR)1:56:28 – 1:56:28

thank you Mr. Chairman

Sen. Lee (UT)1:56:29 – 1:56:29

thank you, Senator King

Sen. King (ME)1:56:30 – 1:56:57

thank you Mr. Chairman um governor uh lot of discussion about uh uh uh power and electricity today um I was surprised to learn that Puerto Rico, something like only twenty percent of your power source is is solar, and that's mostly rooftop solar rather than any major system. First question, is it true that the current administration cancelled some three hundred million dollars earmarked for solar development uh in in Puerto Rico, earlier this year?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:56:58 – 1:57:14

During the, my time in Congress, uh Congress approved uh a billion dollars uh money uh to solar installations on the island. i believe more than five hundred million dollars were installed in solar panels across different areas to try to solidify the creek

Sen. King (ME)1:57:13 – 1:57:15

but was there a cancellation

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:57:15 – 1:57:39

no it was it was reapportion three hundred and sixty eight million dollars instead of helping uh ten thousand individuals to one point three million citizens on the island with that money with those three hundred and sixty eight million dollars uh we improve the one point three million uh people on the island's and that's the reason we don't have power edges. Uh, and like a

Sen. King (ME)1:57:38 – 1:57:50

But it strikes me as odd that there would be a a diminution of funds for solar. You're you're the Saudi Arabia of solar. Uh, you have enormous solar potential. Uh, and I I don't I don't understand.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:57:50 – 1:57:51

And and we don't have anything against solar.

Sen. King (ME)1:57:51 – 1:57:56

But in all your testimony you talked about LNG and other energy sources. You I don't think you even mentioned solar.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:57:55 – 1:58:08

We we we wa- and and we want, actually I I was I was one of the co-authors of of that solar bill. But the situation we do have in the island, sir, is that we don't have enough generation at this time. And and we

Sen. King (ME)1:58:08 – 1:58:09

Solar is generation, Governor.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:58:09 – 1:58:16

Y- yes, but in order to have the whole island with with power, we needed to have base load generation.

Sen. King (ME)1:58:17 – 1:58:19

Solar plus batteries is base load.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:58:17 – 1:58:29

And Yes, and we are adding batteries uh this year. Actually, I've I signed a contract with FEMA uh to add the biggest amount of batteries in in in the island. So we are making diversified.

Sen. King (ME)1:58:28 – 1:58:45

A separate a separate question about resiliency, a sort of mundane question. I know in the in the virgin islands they've installed these massive amount of telephone poles that are carbon fiber I think, governor, a clearly enormous increase in reliability. Have you done that in Puerto Rico for your transmission?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)1:58:45 – 1:58:53

The transmission line that's uh Luma, they are changing some of the poles, they are using concrete in in in in in the most of the poles that are being installed.

Sen. King (ME)1:58:54 – 1:58:56

So that is part of your grid restoration.

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)1:58:58 – 1:59:17

Uh, Senator Farley, we with the, to the solar i think you were referring to the solar for all program we lost fifty million and was revoked by the administration it was a a a plan we had to uh subsidize low interest uh solar loans and also uh grant uh

Sen. King (ME)1:59:16 – 1:59:18

and that was that was cancelled for the virgin islands

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)1:59:18 – 1:59:19

that's correct

Sen. King (ME)1:59:19 – 1:59:21

which is also pretty good place for solar

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)1:59:21 – 1:59:22

right

Sen. King (ME)1:59:22 – 1:59:34

um quick quick question any chance of that refinery on saint croix being reopened other other uh by a new is there any redevelopment plans that clearly was a major uh driver of the economy of the islands

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)1:59:34 – 1:59:55

thank you for that senator absolutely uh i'm speaking to people interested in purchasing it weekly especially since um the action in venezuela uh our refinery was uh made specifically to refine that crude so there's a lot of interest and we're hoping we can get it uh it properly invested permitted and at least start to the rehab before the end of the year

Sen. King (ME)1:59:55 – 2:00:10

thank you um governor guerrero um Question about your your grid. Uh, do the extensive US uh national security facilities on Guam depend upon the local grid, or do they have their own energy sources?

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:00:13 – 2:00:22

Our Guam Power Authority is the only um provider of energy to the whole island, including military bases.

Sen. King (ME)2:00:22 – 2:00:33

So, so the security of that of that grid, you mentioned cyber, This is very important, yes. but also just uh vulnerability to some kind of attack uh is a very important issue,

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:00:32 – 2:00:32

Right.

Sen. King (ME)2:00:34 – 2:00:36

not only for the people of Guam but for our national security.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:00:36 – 2:00:37

Absolutely.

Sen. King (ME)2:00:38 – 2:00:39

And is that uh

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:00:39 – 2:00:45

So we have we have been working very uh closely with uh Indopay.com

Sen. King (ME)2:00:40 – 2:00:40

Go ahead.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:00:46 – 2:01:22

and also federal governments um to um enhance the security uh for those grids and for our power transmissions. One of the biggest um resilient action I think is putting uh the transmission lines underground that's very key to hardening and uh efficient and uh effective transmission of energy um but we have, yes, we are very aware uh Senator about cyber security, we're very aware about attacks to Guam.

Sen. King (ME)2:01:20 – 2:01:31

Are you are you under are you under assault? Are are you uh uh I I know the People's Republic of China realizes the strategic value of Guam. Are you experiencing cyber attacks and

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:01:32 – 2:01:32

Yes, we have.

Sen. King (ME)2:01:32 – 2:01:35

potential sabotage, those kinds of things already?

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:01:36 – 2:02:07

Yes, we have um had some cyber attacks just recently. Uh um, federal government, FBI, the uh CISA and other various federal agencies are working very closely to uh monitor, investigate and uh help us uh identify those attackers and of course uh try to get rid of them but we have been yes we have had several uh just recently um a cyber attack

Sen. King (ME)2:02:07 – 2:02:15

and so that's uh that's a problem not only for the people of guam but also as i mentioned for national security because of the strategic importance thank you

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:02:12 – 2:02:20

absolutely yes so we have a very good relationship with military and helping us to enforce that and strengthen that

Sen. King (ME)2:02:21 – 2:02:26

I have visited your island to visit those military facilities and I can attest it is a very beautiful place. Thank you.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:02:26 – 2:02:27

Thank you.

Sen. King (ME)2:02:27 – 2:02:28

Thank you, Ma- Mr. Chair.

Sen. Lee (UT)2:02:29 – 2:02:31

Thank you very much, Senator King. Senator Cortez Masto.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:02:32 – 2:02:55

Thank you. Welcome to all of you. Thank you for traveling, um, a, a long distance to get here, and I appreciate, um, continue to work with all of you. Can I just, uh, so, so while you understand we've been talking a lot about your grids, are you all seeking grid modernization? in your in on your islands. Is that true? Is that and and let me start um, Governor, with you, just a yes or a no.

Sen. Lee (UT)2:02:55 – 2:02:57

Yes. Yes.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:02:58 – 2:02:59

Yes.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:03:00 – 2:03:00

Yes.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:03:01 – 2:03:02

Definitely yes.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:03:03 – 2:03:37

Definitely yes. And so as you have been planning this great modernization, it hasn't happened overnight. There were plans that you have undertaken. Um, Congress has appropriated in a bipartisan way funding to help support some of that grid modernization. I'm curious, um, under the new administration, my understanding is some of those projects that were previously, um, permitted and ready to go forward under, under the previous administration have now been pulled back. Uh, and they have eliminated those projects. Is that true for, uh, all of you? Is that, is that, uh, has that happened under this administration?

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:03:37 – 2:03:48

I- in the case of Puerto Rico with the relocation of phone, some of the phones, the DOE with executive orders, Has uh commenced and s- done some of that uh relocation and and conversions, yes.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:03:48 – 2:03:49

OK.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:03:49 – 2:03:50

Yes.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:03:50 – 2:03:52

Governor, so they have as well, OK. Chief Stout.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:03:54 – 2:04:02

Um we received sixty three million dollars for um solar energy.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:04:01 – 2:04:02

Solar for all, yeah.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:04:02 – 2:04:10

And we still have that, we're working on expending that um grant um for the projects that we identified in the grant proposal.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:04:10 – 2:04:16

No, other than that, has any federal dollars been pulled back based on projects that are already were approved to move forward?

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:04:16 – 2:04:17

No. No.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:04:17 – 2:04:18

OK. Governor Guero?

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:04:18 – 2:04:21

Not for us, just the solar for all. Yeah.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:04:21 – 2:04:24

Uh, and you do have solar funds that you can move forward with, or that's been pulled back?

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:04:25 – 2:04:26

That's been pulled back, yes.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:04:26 – 2:04:29

So no more funding for solar. OK. Governor?

Nick Pula (Witness)2:04:31 – 2:04:34

Uh, no, but projects are proceeding.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:04:35 – 2:04:37

Projects are pro- proceeding forward.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:04:36 – 2:04:37

Mm-hmm.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:04:37 – 2:05:26

Great, thank you. Um, uh, here's what I'm curious about. Um, and I'm hopeful, um, I'm gonna ask all of you. Um, obviously the grid modernization in your communities is key, not just for your, um, constituents, everybody on the island for their safety and their healthy. It's important for national security. It's important to, to address, uh, cyber issues. So many things that we have been talking about. Um, as you're planning to move forward, um, and you are looking at that grid modernization, I would hope that you would continue to talk with us and let us know what you need in terms of that modernization. But most importantly, based on your geography and where your island is located, what's the best generation? What's the best generation that, right, for for that electricity that we should be focused on and not playing politics with, or favoritism? I'm gonna ask every single one of you.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:05:26 – 2:05:28

Uh, for us, of course, solar.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:05:28 – 2:05:29

Mm-hmm.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:05:29 – 2:05:49

Um, I think, uh, Senator Lee said, uh, we are the Saudi Arabia, uh, in terms of solar. And, uh, Yes, and we are aggressively in our island. Um, uh, have solar farms and have many, uh, several projects that, uh, turn to solar generation.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:05:49 – 2:06:23

And you need the funds to continue to move forward. And by the way, let me just say, uh, from Nevada, solar is our number one generation for clean and renewable. And by, and not only is it important and it creates jobs, it's good for the economy, it keeps people connected, but we have batteries as well. And battery storage, and it is a base load. I don't care what this administration says, it is an essential base load, and if we are not developing that ba- those batteries, we are not de- developing that type of technology, uh, some other country is going to be, and we're gonna be left behind. So, uh, thank you, Governor, if you have something to say.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:06:22 – 2:06:32

I just wanna say also for us, uh, we've experienced two major typhoons and our solar farms were very resilient, uh, and was very good.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:06:33 – 2:06:35

Thank you. That's fantastic to hear.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:06:34 – 2:06:34

Yeah.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:06:35 – 2:06:35

Governor

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:06:35 – 2:07:12

In our case we uh we change our public policy so we are now diversifying on our energy portfolio. So we are doing hydro, we're doing uh solar, we're doing LNG, we need to lower our cost of energy which is so expensive. We're doing batteries uh to uh you know lower the cost of energy as well. Uh we're doing combined cycle and uh and of course we we need to have some oil, but right now oil still uh the most expensive one. and we need to get rid of a lot of the fines from epa so that's reason we are changing uh to uh to lng in maintaining uh solar as well

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:07:13 – 2:07:13

thank you

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)2:07:13 – 2:07:51

yeah one of the things i i wanna point out is unlike the mainland we don't have redundant grid so when you're on an island if you if your power goes out in georgia you got texas or somebody else to pick it up so when we're out they're out so yeah our focus is to go at least seventy percent solar the batteries are very expensive Um, but we have to get that in. The difference is we're we're buying solar now from our our public provider. We have uh these uh private providers. We're paying eight to eleven cents a kilowatt hour compared to twenty-three cents to thirty cents generated. So there's it's it's really gonna revolutionize living on an island.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:07:51 – 2:07:53

Mm-hmm. Thank you. Kevin?

Nick Pula (Witness)2:07:53 – 2:08:50

Um, that's a great uh question, Senator. I think uh one of the things I wanted to mention is that we're all different. everybody think uh you know we're in the islands there's the sunshine there's wind you know american express card anyway um in american samoa if you fly in we'd hardly have any flat land it's mostly like mountains just rise up beautiful green so therefore with solar we don't have a lot of flat land so we don't have a lot of solar and uh also uh we we tried we've tried in smaller places that were we we have some flat land and with the wind uh the there are studies that have been done and sometimes it's not consistent so we basically i think we all kinda look at different uh right now we're looking at wave energy uh that's something

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)2:08:49 – 2:08:49

mmm

Nick Pula (Witness)2:08:51 – 2:10:45

uh let me let me just say something is which is really um it was all over the united states we had a western governance association meeting the Department of Interior earlier this year, February. I was sitting between Governor Don Levy from Alaska and another governor from Montana. And of course, we had the Secretary of Energy there, Secretary of the Interior. Uh, we were talking about this, and I think at one time the uh, a US Attorney General, I was wondering where the Attorney General was uh, and I realized with Western governments, there's a lot of lawsuits against the federal government uh, with the energy. And so, I asked Don Levy from Alaska, " Hey, since uh the president said, you know, drill, baby, drill, you're g- you're gonna have a lot of oil from Alaska, why don't you ship it down to Hawaii, you're in the Pacific, you know, for the Indo-Pacom in the state of Hawaii, and then we can ship it down to American Samoa, we're south of the equator, and I can sell that to all the Pacific island nation that China is having domination over them." Uh, I mean, that's a good thing we can do. And Don Levy said to me, Governor, what's your kilowatt per hour? I said about forty cents north of forty cents. So he wrote it down and then he goes uh, how much do you pay for gas? I said about four dollars something, almost five dollars. So he thought a minute, turned to me and he said, you know, Governor, you'd be better off with a small nuclear energy. And I was like, well, I don't certainly don't wanna say the word nuclear to my constituency. But the the point I'm saying is that we are so different in all the states and, you know, in including our territory, so we're trying to look at ways how to uh get our energy um used. So I think it's a combination of things. That's the short answer I just wanna say.

Sen. Cortez Masto (NV)2:10:45 – 2:10:48

Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:10:47 – 2:11:59

For, can I just say something about for the CNMI? Um, CNMI um power plant i- is more than fifty years old. So we're looking at modernizing the power plant. will always depend on fossil fuel to to guarantee base load. We're also looking at the small modular units. Uh it's still years before it's commercialized. Uh geothermal where to spend exploration few years back or ten years back, uh we wanna begin restart the exploration. Wind energy, solar like a the governor from uh american samoa said our land area is very small unlike that it's it's it's a bit larger but our utilities corporation our company now is um reviewing contract with our attorney general to enter into an independent power producer uh for solar energy and and that's gonna generate somewhere between sixty to seventy megawatts of electricity so uh we're looking at all options there's no one perfect answer it's going to take a combination of a few. Thanks.

Sen. Lee (UT)2:12:01 – 2:12:01

Senator Padilla.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:12:02 – 2:13:46

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I wanna return for a minute on a topic that Senator Wyden raised during his line of question, uh, and that is, uh, territories being forced to run Medicaid on a capped block grant and the matching rate that's been frozen, uh, and how they're disproportionately and negatively impacted relative to rates they might otherwise receive, uh, compared to their state counterparts. Uh, so part of it was a funding, uh, and reimbursement question, uh, its impact on providing care. I had a follow-up question for Governor Gonzalez-Colon as it pertains to workforce. Uh, right, because, uh, uh, you testified that, uh, below market federal rates are pushing providers off the island not just the patients but providers themselves when a puerto rico physician moves to florida the federal government pays the same doctor mainland rates because of their practicing in florida which is higher and then when patients follow they enroll in mainland medicaid at a higher match uh it only makes sense uh so doesn't underpaying puerto rico for uh fail even on a these policy terms and arguments shifting costs to the states number one but then the island losing both patients and physicians so my question i guess would be what role do uh training pipelines residency slots and licensure play in growing a homegrown workforce and where would federal better federal support make a difference

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:13:48 – 2:17:03

first of all senator you're completely right And and that's one of the main pro- problems we do have. And that creates a another situation. The United States is putting more money in those states, so it's more cost for the for the system than allocating those resources in the in the local states. Even when we receive um a minor increase in the funding on on the island, we are retaining those professionals on the island, uh and and even with the last uh deal that was done in Congress, we increase a little bit uh the retainer not just for the physicians but for the whole industry and maintaining those on the island uh on the island as well. What we did in the last year, we increase uh the amount of local residents for for the uh local uh doctors, because that's another situation we gotta brain drain. Uh our our local uh you know University of Puerto Rico, which is a local school of medicines, they graduated they moved to the states, uh they got hired immediately, and locally they receive almost a half the amount of money that they may be uh doing in the states so that creates double problem um um less doctors on the island, less professionals on the island, they got the same licenses, they they're uh professionals uh in not just um uh nurses and and the rest of the uh uh the healthcare industry as well, so we increased those, cms and and they're been visiting the island the whole the whole uh year they've been visiting the island meeting with the stakeholders uh professionals as well one of the problem is we don't have as the us version island just mentioned the disproportional share hospital uh portion we don't have the ssi so those create an additional burden to our local hospitals and and that's a situation that we may lose private hospitals on the island because they need to cover a lot of a lot of the services that are not covered by by by by by the system. And in the case of Puerto Rico, none let me tell you one one of the one of the problems we do have. Long term care space, uh service, we don't cover that. Um the long term uh we added non-emergency transportation la last year, if if this is not extended we may take that away. Uh durable medical equipment, we include that in twenty twenty four we will take that away as well. Hospice care, we include that in twenty twenty four, we may take that away. Home care is the first time included, we may take that away. Those are mandatory programs in the rest of the states, but in the case of Puerto Rico we don't have the we we don't have the the enough resources to cover those uh those mandatory programs. We we we n- we shrink tho- those resources. If we go back to the five hundred million dollars we're talking about, giving some resource to six hundred thousand people instead of one point three million uh assistants uh to to the rest of the island so low income subsidy we don't have the Medicare savings program as well so those are different programs that Medicaid guidance states that we don't have in the territories and that create another constraint in our system and that's the reason people just take a ticket and they move to any other state

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)2:17:03 – 2:17:24

uh just to add on that the the fact is is is all our hospitals are public. So we don't have the ability to turn down anybody. So insured, uninsured, underinsured, we pay, I mean, uh, for eighty-seven thousand people, we're handling at least like fifty to sixty million dollars in uncompensated care, annually. And it's boring a hole in us.

Sen. Padilla (CA)2:17:25 – 2:17:26

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Sen. Lee (UT)2:17:28 – 2:17:30

Thank you very much, Senator Padilla. Senator Gallego.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:17:31 – 2:18:05

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Ranking Member, uh, Governor Cohen, good to see you again, and obviously Always good to hear from my friends in Puerto Rico. Uh, I'd love to talk about SNAP, cuz obviously there is a disparity there. And uh, you know, Puerto Rico's been part of the United States now for more than a century. Uh, in nineteen eighty-one the island was removed from the National Food SNAP program. And this move cut Puerto Rico's funding by nearly twenty-five percent. And as you know, Puerto Rico's current nutrition system program is capped also. Unlike SNAP, it cannot expand when need increases, so emergencies, for example, which tend to happen. And when Hurricane Irma and Maria devastated out in twenty seventeen, Puerto Rico didn't

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:18:21 – 2:18:22

Yes,

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:18:21 – 2:18:22

Yeah.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:18:22 – 2:20:44

this is one of the issues that we need always to come to Congress. Whenever there's a national declaration of disaster, territories need to come to Congress and enact a new law to assign new resources because we don't have that provision. We just got um the nap program, not the supplemental nutritional assistant program, the rest of the state got this nap program. So that creates another burden uh to the territories. We need to wait until Congress act, and that may take months, that may take weeks, it all depend on the necessity to receive that extra money uh to helpful people in the case of a of a situation, it could be a terri- it could be an earthquake, it could be a tsunami, it could be a um um a hurricane. In the case of Puerto Rico, nap is a cat block rent. So that means you got just that amount of funds that is designed uh to to the island, in in the case of Puerto Rico we import from the States almost ninety five percent of what we consume. So this is not that we're taking the food from China, we're not taking the food from any other places we're taking our food from the states uh and it's traveling directly from florida in our weekly uh uh commute so in in that sense in order to get our our the food to our table to people in in real need uh we are asking to have a transition process and the government of puerto rico since last three four years uh by different measures that have been uh are being approved by by congress are making that transition transition not just in paper coming with the department of agriculture uh to allow us a low in one point two low income residents uh to uh receive uh you know the in employment and training program uh to start a pilot program to see how we can make that happen right now there there's been language approved in in the nutritional system program to allow that to continue to happen with the system of the department of agriculture um the the house approved yeah uh it's version in the foreign bill um and we are we worked with that committee uh and they report language in in in in our case the funding approved uh um will will literally raise a little bit of the funding for the island

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)2:20:44 – 2:21:27

senator can i put in real quickly it's your go ahead good go ahead um in the virgin islands you know i i look at the cnn reports that are american mainland americans are complaining about four percent inflation we have not seen less than seven percent inflation in the last five years, and we've had as high as fourteen percent inflation and, I always use chicken to make sure people understand what we're dealing with. A bucket of chicken in St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands is fifty-six dollars, a twenty piece hot wings is thirty-five dollars. And not that we, we can afford to go to Kentucky fried chicken, cuz it's luxury eating for us, but that's true in the rent, the power, everything else, so our efforts now in solar is to be able to control the price

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:21:24 – 2:21:24

yeah

Albert Bryan Jr. (Witness)2:21:27 – 2:21:38

this is the only way we can control inflation as we move forward i would love for us to consider setting different poverty income limits for the territories because of the duress that we are are seeing

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:21:38 – 2:22:40

no thank you governor and and um i have three kids and i traveled to puerto rico with my three kids and they love eating uh and so i i i end up paying a lot and the governor has met with them all so she knows what i'm talking about one of the things that actually got first interest in, particularly in Puerto Rico is cuz I served with a lot of Puerto Rican Marines, uh, in the Iraq war, and Puerto Rico actually has some of the highest concentration of veterans and per capita participation. And one of the things that they really disturbed me when I got back was that a lot of them do not receive the same benefits that they do on the mainland. So if you serve your country as a, you know, uh, American, Puerto Rican, uh, and you go to, uh, Florida, you get full benefits, right? Try Care for Life, you get treated great. However, if you are a veteran, uh, on the island of Puerto Rico you do not actually get the same benefits. Can you describe that disparity, uh, Governor, and any other Governors have you seen that kind of disparity? Because I think it's particularly disturbing for many of us that have served with, uh, men and women from the territories, that their benefits are entirely zip code related instead of the fact that they serve their country.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:22:41 – 2:22:56

And you just said it, they are just related to the place they lived. If they live in Florida they got their full benefits. And we're not just talking about being veterans. is that that disproportionate share of hospital the the uh social security income

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:22:56 – 2:22:56

Yep.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:22:56 – 2:23:09

uh that that is related to their age is just because where they lived uh they lose that benefit as as soon as they get back home and sometimes they just wanna get with their family and and they cannot receive

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:23:08 – 2:23:08

Mm-hmm.

Jenniffer González-Colón (Witness)2:23:09 – 2:23:20

that home uh and and it's a shame and and and that's the reason people are continue voting to end that disparity and I know that's the same situation for for for most of the territories

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:23:20 – 2:23:20

Yes, Governor.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:23:20 – 2:23:27

For us in Guam, Senator, we do have those benefits, but our biggest problem is they're so slow in coming.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:23:27 – 2:23:27

Mm-hmm.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:23:27 – 2:23:37

Uh, claims processing is very, very slow. Um, when veterans uh apply for durable medical equipment, they have to go to Hawaii to get the durable medical equipment.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:23:37 – 2:23:38

Mm-hmm.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:23:38 – 2:23:57

Uh, and so one of my suggestions, which I had already posed to the secretary of the veterans, is that uh we do our own regional claims processing in Guam. And if we do that, then we can also service Palau, Pompeii, the Marshall Islands, who also have a lot of US veterans there,

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:23:57 – 2:23:57

Right.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:23:58 – 2:24:00

but these people have to fly

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:24:00 – 2:24:01

Right.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:24:01 – 2:24:05

to either Guam or US to even do their claims processing.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:24:05 – 2:24:07

Because, yeah, as na- cuz they're nationals,

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:24:07 – 2:24:09

Because they're sovereign nations, yes.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:24:07 – 2:24:12

the US They're sovereign nations but they're US nationals that can serve in the military,

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:24:11 – 2:24:13

Yes, absolutely.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:24:12 – 2:24:14

but don't necessarily have the right to, but I think people forget that too,

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:24:13 – 2:24:13

Right.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:24:14 – 2:24:14

yeah.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:24:14 – 2:24:32

So if we have this regional office where we can do our own claims processing then we can also service these uh outer islands through satellite offices. So uh for us it's more the processing. It takes months, sometimes even years uh to get the service.

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:24:32 – 2:24:32

Yep.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:24:33 – 2:24:34

Um,

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:24:33 – 2:24:34

Go ahead.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:24:34 – 2:25:06

Senator, I was just gonna echo the same thing, during the first Trump administration I traveled with the then secretary of the veteran affairs to the islands. We went all the way to Pohnpei, which is a federal state of Micronesia. And that was the issue. We were in Hawaii, where a lot of them have to travel to. And uh, I tell you, I w- I was really surprised the way the veterans were talking to the secretary of the veteran affairs. They call it the bitching session. Because

Sen. Gallego (AZ)2:25:06 – 2:25:12

It's pretty common as a veteran, just to be honest. Doesn't hap- it happens in Arizona, happens in New York.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:25:11 – 2:25:30

That's right. I, I was surprised. And then, you know, I was like, wow. So we were trying to like i was working at department of interior to kinda do the thing what governor guerrero is saying kinda have it at a regional base where the other satellite offices can help some of these veterans who you know fought in the war so

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:25:30 – 2:25:30

yup

Nick Pula (Witness)2:25:30 – 2:25:31

same thing thank you

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:25:31 – 2:25:32

thank you

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:25:32 – 2:25:32

uh

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:25:32 – 2:25:33

yes

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:25:33 – 2:26:57

uh the same thing is going on in the cnmi that guam is uh experiencing american samoa i just wanna let everyone know uh governor appitank is a vietnam veteran and he is like seventy five seventy six years old is going through a lot. And the other veterans that have come home, uh and made Saipan their permanent home, they wait. They need services, medical services, um answers from the veteran office, uh it takes time. And um sometimes we get word that someone's coming over to Saipan to help the veterans uh with med medical care, medical needs, uh where they go to. But sometimes they don't come. uh we have to wait and then if veterans have to fly to guam for a very simple treatment or or test the cost is so much to fly from guam and back i mean from saipan to guam and back it's over six hundred dollars and there's only one airlines that flies between these two islands united airlines it used to be uh we can pay for a round-trip ticket to guam for like two hundred three hundred dollars but now it's that high. And veterans are are, you know, they they need to relax, they enjoy their their moments, their their remaining time and they have to go go through additional stress to just try and get help.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:27:00 – 2:27:00

I can take a

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:27:00 – 2:27:02

You know, Senator, if I if I can

Nick Pula (Witness)2:27:03 – 2:27:04

Up to the chair at this point, I apologize.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:27:05 – 2:28:40

I just wanna I just wanna make a comment about air transportation, as throughout the islands the South Pacific, the North Pacific, air tran- transportation is very key for connectivity, for the economy, for commerce and so forth. And we are very limited in air transportation. And one of the reasons is the Cabotage law, which says that a foreign air carrier cannot go to two US uh ports of entry. So with us in Guam, this costs it take it's about four thousand dollars just to go from guam to the united to california and back to hawaii it's about two three thousand and so if the cabotage law was exempted from us we could use philippine airlines we could use china airlines we could use korean airlines they can fly to Guam, pick up passengers and go on to the United States. So you ask what Congress can do if you could review this cabotage law and just give us an exemption or a waiver uh to uh be able to have the opportunity and the access. I'll tell you, South Pacific is islands is the same thing, they have limited, limited carriers and so is the Pacific. Removing the Cabotage Law is gonna do a lot to improve commerce and the economy of our islands in the Pacific.

Sen. Lee (UT)2:28:41 – 2:28:43

Thank you. Senator Murkowski and then Senator Virona.

Sen. Murkowski (AK)2:28:45 – 2:32:11

Thank you, Mister Chairman, and thank you for for holding this hearing. It's good to see uh our Governors here and um uh to have the opportunity to to renew acquaintances. Um uh we should not limit our governors to five minutes when you come back to uh once a year or maybe once a session um hearing but this is this is the way our process is set up so I feel like I need to offer a little bit of an apology um because it is so important that you are here that you all have flown as long as you have as many hours um as you have uh and so I hope that you have had a good reception as you are meeting individually with members and members of the administration to express the concerns and to state specifically the many, many ways that we can, the the federal government can be there to help, whether it's on the healthcare side, the issue that you have raised, uh, Governor, uh, uh, Guerrero, about the cabotage and how we deal with transportation. Uh, there are so many things that we need, we, we are in a position to do to help But we need to understand the impact. My state of Alaska is going through what I know, um, virtually all of, of you are facing as governors as we're looking at the high cost of fuel. When you are communities that are powered by diesel, and the price of diesel has gone as it has. We have a little bit of an extenuating circumstance in, in Alaska because our fuel deliveries, um, in many of our coastal communities are, are twice a year. Um, not due to distance, but due to ice. And so we have similar challenges again, where I feel that, uh, I represent a big islanded North State, whereas your islands may be smaller and warmer, but many of the same challenges. Uh, I wanted to ask, um, uh, both to Governor Guerrero and, and Governor Pula because, um, uh, both Guam and, and American Samoa have raised some concerns or issues regarding the uh potential offshore critical mineral uh development and and Governor Guerrero, we had a little bit of a chance to talk about that yesterday in in my office. I think we're all looking to try to understand that. I mean in in Alaska we are we are eyes aware, not certain of how this would work, the regulations are not in place um and it has raised it has raised an issue of concern um, in in northern waters as well. So, I'm, I'm wondering if you can share, uh, with the committee what you might consider meaningful consultation uh with territorial governments would look like, uh, before the federal government advances any future leasing decisions. And, and, and further to that point, um, about the, the role possibly you see, uh, of the government when it comes to uh to surveying, mapping, uh we'd we we don't know what we don't know oftentimes um uh but the ability to even characterize the the the resources um if commercial development remains uncertain so if you can just please speak to that issue because it is very, uh relevant to the to the moment.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:32:12 – 2:33:01

Thank you very much uh Senator, you're absolutely right and one of the biggest uh concerns we have in our island is um this deep-sea mining licensing and exploration uh project that's really going very, very fast without any input if anything uh by the Pacific Islanders other than maybe the uh time to make public comments. But we expect that we would want we want actually face-to-face communications uh with those entities and that we don't learn about these uh requests for interests or comments through public media. Uh you can imagine our surprise when that happened.

Sen. Murkowski (AK)2:32:59 – 2:33:04

Haven't have have you asked for that? Have you asked for that um one-on-one dialogue?

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:33:05 – 2:33:08

I have met, yes, with uh the head of BOEM

Sen. Murkowski (AK)2:33:09 – 2:33:09

Mm-hmm.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:33:09 – 2:34:43

and uh we have asked uh to be heard um and And uh they did they did come out but uh very limited time with us and didn't really spend a lot of time with our public uh to get the input. And even American Samoa was actually the first island that had that uh event going on. Uh but even with sixty five thousand comments submitted, we felt we were not heard because the next day the process of the licensing changed and was expedited. Then a few days later we hear that the land uh area space uh was expanded without even our uh knowledge and information. So uh this is what we suffer in our islands is policies that are uh past made acted on without input from any of us and And I guess that's because of our political status, we're an unincorporated territory, uh and so my fear of this is that the United States could just come in and say, oh you have no control, we are just going to come in and and uh mine these waters and please know that this is our livelihood our lives are very dependent on these waters so uh I think more dialogue, more discussions uh, and listening to our concerns, genuinely listening to our concerns.

Sen. Murkowski (AK)2:34:43 – 2:34:47

Governor Pula, you, American Samoa has clearly been um in the news.

Nick Pula (Witness)2:34:45 – 2:35:08

Sure. Well, American Samoa is in a a very interesting situation because in our EEZ we do have those critical minerals out there. I, as uh Governor of American Samoa our life blood is basically tuna

Sen. Murkowski (AK)2:35:08 – 2:35:09

mmm

Nick Pula (Witness)2:35:09 – 2:35:28

which is you know a migratory species so in the pacific islands and this is something i'm gonna complain about the united states for long many years have kinda neglected the fishing industry in the pacific china has now dominated

Sen. Murkowski (AK)2:35:26 – 2:35:28

mmm mmm

Nick Pula (Witness)2:35:28 – 2:36:00

you know uh the our areas we have the largest uh starkish canning tuna left uh for domestic tuna we the starkish supply of rations for the military uh and they're hanging on to uh our cannery now the fact that we have critical minerals in our e. e. z. and the fact that territorial waters only go out to three miles beyond that that's the federal government

Sen. Murkowski (AK)2:36:00 – 2:36:00

mmm

Nick Pula (Witness)2:36:00 – 2:37:22

i wanna my people to know that i am against um mining however should the federal government move forward that we would like to have basically a seat at the table to be able to understand science and everything so that we don't damage this area because of the resources on the other hand i would rather for national interest of the united states we have those minerals in there, if they do it right, do it in a way that is environmentally friendly, that we, our little territory, would very much appreciate, you know, revenue sharing. Uh, not only just for our territory, but it's important for the national interest. I don't want my grandchildren to speak Chinese twenty years from now. I want them the united states to have power over energy uh in terms of uh fuel and all that i mean the world's in commotion these days and uh i wanna do right by our nation and i wanna do right by my territory so that's where i am

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:37:22 – 2:37:23

thanks

Nick Pula (Witness)2:37:22 – 2:37:23

thank you

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:37:23 – 2:40:21

senator can i say something um for cmi yeah i think it's really important uh alright uh real quick about deep-sea mining yes we went through the process the publication went out they invited comments we submitted comments over I th I think Boehm received over sixty five thousand comments he he mentioned something about meaning meaningful consultation so that's a a a term that needs to be defined by Boehm and the cinema Guam included if you look at the cinema the northern mariana islands archipelago were a chain of fourteen islands and it's extends south near guam and it goes all the way up north on the eastern side is the mariana trench mmm and then right along that it the proposed mining area that's really cool uh it borders the mariana trench mmm the second area identification that came out from bohem identify the western side of the um chain of islands. Now you have our archipelago sandwiched between two mining potential mining areas. Once mine permits are are issued and commercial mining begins uh I'll leave it up to you to imagine what what conflict might arise. We have ocean vessels that come in, they deliver goods to our islands, uses the same ocean to do their exercise, their training so their troops would be defense ready. We have our culture. We've lived on the islands for for many, many, many years. We know the waters around us. Uh, no one has asked us about what do the waters mean to us. It's our food. I- it's our identity. We've never done anything to to jeopardize it. Um it's it's amazing yeah and then president trump signed the commercial tuna uh it opens up the pacific ocean our area as well so that's what that would create additional activity up there so can you imagine the traffic the the who knows what might happen up there so uh governor apatang is opposed to deep sea mining but we need to sit down uh with with met with with matt giocona um this february he said they'll be out to to meet with the people our our community and they send their representatives they were there on the island for just a day and they left after that um so we need more meetings more meaningful consultation it doesn't just mean that we look at the environmental or the ecosystem that might be damaged. We need to look at our economic livelihood.

Sen. Lee (UT)2:40:22 – 2:40:23

Thank you. Senator Huronna.

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:40:27 – 2:41:05

Thank you. I just wa- wa- want to have a little bit of clarification regarding the deep sea uh mining. So uh Governor Guerrero you mentioned that that that is uh happening rapidly but uh is it the consensus of each of you, by the way thank you for coming this far to share with us your priorities and your concerns but Is it that that do all of you share the concern that that you are not uh being given a meaningful consultation or input to what is happening in your environment and in the seas that are that surround your uh nations? Is that a shared concern with all of you?

Nick Pula (Witness)2:41:05 – 2:42:04

Senator, I I I do wanna say that the BOEM office, as well as uh NOAA folks have traveled down to american samoa they've gone out to the area where their critical minerals uh in april the deputy secretary uh mcgregor of the department of interior came down to american samoa spoke to the leadership of our legislature myself and our delegate to congress uh mr. erdogan so we are engaged i i wanna say that we we have been engaging and most likely because american samoa in the eez do have those uh critical minerals therefore there has been i would say engagement with us we i am still not uh there yet in terms of concurring with uh the speed of how they are moving forward

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:42:01 – 2:42:01

ok

Nick Pula (Witness)2:42:04 – 2:42:12

uh i have been told that even if they issue license uh through boeing in the month of august

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:42:12 – 2:42:12

governor

Nick Pula (Witness)2:42:12 – 2:42:12

uh

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:42:13 – 2:42:33

i don't have that much time although i would like to request the chair to give me a little bit more time as others have because uh this is really important for all of us to understand so the you uh uh are being engaged but uh governor garrulia you're you're expressing concerns that that you folks guam has not been

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:42:34 – 2:42:36

you're absolutely right senator

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:42:34 – 2:42:36

adequately consulted

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:42:36 – 2:42:47

on november twelfth i found out through uh the announcement public announcement about a um public comment period

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:42:47 – 2:42:48

mmm

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:42:47 – 2:42:59

for a deep sea mining in mind you guam is not identified in the deep sea mining but cnmi is but where they want to do the deep sea mining

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:42:57 – 2:43:00

mmm mmm

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:43:00 – 2:43:03

is very close to guam so it does affect us

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:43:03 – 2:43:04

yes

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:43:04 – 2:43:11

and when i found out about it i called governor tank to see hey did anybody tell you and he said no

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:43:11 – 2:43:11

mmm

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:43:11 – 2:43:20

and so uh uh that's a very concrete example of yes going quickly without input from the islands

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:43:16 – 2:43:36

mmm thank you so uh what would you suggest that we uh contemplate doing to make sure that all of you have adequate input to uh this particular activity Deep-sea mining in your water?

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:43:36 – 2:43:44

My s- my suggestion is that Congress ask to put a pause on deep-sea mining

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:43:44 – 2:43:44

Mm.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:43:44 – 2:44:09

and do a lot of research on science and data. And to allow also or you know, I know you can't force people to do this, but to come forward uh through uh the agencies to meet with the leaders and the people uh through public uh public town hall meetings and so forth so

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:44:09 – 2:44:09

mmm

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:44:10 – 2:44:18

um you can't legislate increased communication but certainly uh work towards policies

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:44:14 – 2:44:14

mmm

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:44:18 – 2:44:26

that might say to uh everyone uh let's look at this uh more closely before we move so forth

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:44:25 – 2:44:36

with the remove your support uh so kind of a um communication the the the to the powers that be that there be a pause on the deep sea mining do you all agree

Nick Pula (Witness)2:44:35 – 2:44:37

yeah yeah

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:44:37 – 2:44:38

yes uh

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:44:37 – 2:44:38

for me yes

Nick Pula (Witness)2:44:38 – 2:44:38

yes

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:44:38 – 2:44:42

governor appitank and governor guerrero have written a letter to um

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:44:42 – 2:44:43

thank you

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:44:43 – 2:44:48

chairman lee to introduce the legislation to play some more important

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:44:47 – 2:44:49

and you all agree that that would be a good idea

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:44:50 – 2:44:56

we believe so uh it it gives us time to to work uh and study what bohem is releasing um

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:44:52 – 2:44:55

ok yeah

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:44:57 – 2:44:59

most of the materials that they're releasing and information

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:44:57 – 2:44:57

listen

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:45:00 – 2:45:01

is is good for them

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:45:00 – 2:45:01

yeah i i

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:45:03 – 2:45:05

this is very serious senator

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:45:03 – 2:45:07

i am i'm trying to i'm trying to get a consensus yeah i'm trying to

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:45:05 – 2:45:10

because the seabed is not resilient at all

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:45:10 – 2:45:10

mmm

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:45:10 – 2:45:17

and once you go in there and you disrupt the seabed and the environment it's very hard to

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:45:17 – 2:45:17

yes

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:45:17 – 2:45:18

recover

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:45:18 – 2:46:26

as a as an island state hawaii is uh very aware of the potential for manganese nodules and other uh minerals in the in the waters off of hawaii and also i just wanna share with you that as an island state hawaii very very much empathizes and understands the high cost of energy if you are relying upon importing fossil fuels which is why for all the states hawaii uh residents paid among the highest for electricity and why we are so focused on alternative uh and renewable energies and i can very much understand why you um are going in that direction of looking for other ways of keeping the cost down for people so uh for your constituents thank you i did wanna uh ask a little bit about the visa waiver program i have some familiarity with the visa waiver so this is for uh mister hochneiter so um as far as i know the the there is still uh the visa waiver programs that apply to japan south korea and many of the european nations is that correct do you do you know

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:46:26 – 2:46:26

That's correct.

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:46:27 – 2:46:52

But in order for the the travelers to come from these nations, they still have to go through a vetting process. So my my question is for the program that you have in CNMI, are the Chinese uh people who avail themselves of this visa waiver program, are they vetted? Does the chairman express concerns about the kind of people who are coming in under this program?

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:46:52 – 2:46:55

They're supposed to be vetted by the immigration.

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:46:52 – 2:46:53

Are they vetted?

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:46:56 – 2:46:59

um uscis um

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:46:59 – 2:47:01

yeah they're supposed to be but they're not

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:47:00 – 2:47:07

and the vetting process i don't know if they're not because we are not doing the vetting it's

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:47:07 – 2:47:19

well the chairman expressed serious concerns about this program to the point where he is suggesting that they it be completely stopped do the people from the philippines also are they included in cnmi's visa waiver program

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:47:19 – 2:47:21

no they're not and that's what they're asking

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:47:20 – 2:47:21

would you like them to be

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:47:21 – 2:47:24

as well yes We're asking Very well.

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:47:24 – 2:47:32

I mean, is it the State Department that authorizes uh the the the would would they have to authorize uh CNAY to have such a program?

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:47:32 – 2:47:33

It's the Department of Homeland Security. Homeland security.

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:47:34 – 2:47:37

It's homeland security and it has to do with denial rates and there are various

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:47:34 – 2:47:35

Right.

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:47:37 – 2:47:42

kinds of factors that go into whether a country can enter a program like this.

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:47:38 – 2:47:50

Right. Right, so Governor Apateng and Governor Guerrero have written um Doc um Secretary of Interior Doc Burgum and

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:47:50 – 2:47:51

So I uh

Henry Hofschneider (Witness)2:47:51 – 2:47:57

DHS Secretary Mullen to include the Philippines in the bombshell like this waiver program

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:47:55 – 2:48:59

So uh uh I mean having worked on some of these programs for Hawaii, particularly Korea's um uh visa waiver for South Korea then I I I understand how important and what kind of impact uh such a program has on tourism. And that's why for Hawaii I I very much push for a national visa waiver for South Koreans. So I would suggest that I mean really not you know far be it from me to tell you all what to do but um Considering that I think this is an important program for CNMI as you suggested in your testimony, I do think that uh there probably needs to be a a more careful consideration of the process by which people come to CNMI under this program. So, for uh Governor Guerrero um You note that there is a lot of a a a lot of military uh infrastructure being built on guam and to to deal with the movement of the marines out of fotema and okinawa among other reasons so you do need workers don't you

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:49:01 – 2:49:05

yes we do and we have a h to b program

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:49:05 – 2:49:05

uh-huh

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:49:05 – 2:49:16

and initially the h to b program had capped the number of h to b uh was capped uh for the number of h to b workers to come to guam

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:49:15 – 2:49:16

uh-huh

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:49:17 – 2:49:37

but Congress has recently uh removed the cap and now there is no cap but uh it's only for military projects and the civilian community also need those H to B workers because our construction is also expanding and our economy is expanding so right now uh this is

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:49:32 – 2:49:33

Hmm.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:49:38 – 2:49:45

only available till uh twenty twenty nine and I know that there is a provision in the NDAA

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:49:40 – 2:49:41

Hmm.

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:49:46 – 2:49:55

to uh expand it to i think twenty thirty one uh and that would be uh greatly appreciated if it was supported and passed

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:49:56 – 2:49:59

would you consider um a a longer time frame because it's not a

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:49:59 – 2:50:03

i would consider maybe not even having a uh a time

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:50:03 – 2:50:06

i mean we have had to extend the this

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:50:06 – 2:50:15

the the other issue uh senator is it's only for military construction and one of my uh

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:50:07 – 2:50:08

worker resumption

Lourdes Aflague Leon Guerrero (Witness)2:50:15 – 2:50:23

request is that uh we just remove that military construction and just save for construction uh for the island

Sen. Lee (UT)2:50:21 – 2:50:21

mmm

Sen. Hirono (HI)2:50:22 – 2:51:19

yeah i understand and just as a a last um note you all raised some concerns about the high cost of providing healthcare and uh there have been some massive changes to medicaid that's gonna make it even harder for you all to provide um medicaid coverage And that is like going to hit millions of people nationwide. And so the I can certainly empathize with the the need for us to look at what kind of reimbursements you are receiving from Medicare, Medicaid. And the states also have that issue by the way because uh uh Hawaii for example would like our Medicaid reimbursements to be reviewed. So uh again um I hope that these are areas that we can uh take a look at and and see what we can do to uh uh work work with you all to support your needs. Thank you, Mister Chairman.

Sen. Lee (UT)2:51:20 – 2:55:10

Thanks so much, Senator Horno. Um, alright, we've um I had previously uh considered doing a second round, but we've got a vote that's gonna close soon and uh we'll turn into pumpkins, so we gotta head down there. I appreciate each of you for um coming today, and for your testimony, it's been very informative. As I close, I wanna make a a a couple of of comments. First of all, Governor Guerrero, I'm grateful that you raised the Jones Act of the skies issue. It, it, uh, appears to me, as I've been thinking about in response to your questions, um, some of our territories, and I, uh, would certainly include, um, uh, Guam, American Samoa, and CNMI in this. You're so far from the United States w- mainland and so much closer to many other countries than you are to the United States. This appears to disproportionately and unfairly, uh, affect you and your populations i- in a way that's fairly unique. It also seems to me that the, um, uh, purported public policy justifications of those laws as applied for your territories, uh, might be outweighed by the unique burden that your territories face in that. In some ways they, uh, they do to your areas what the Jones Act, uh, uh, might do to other territories. uh, including perhaps, uh, uh, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. So, I, I'm gonna take a look at that and I really appreciate you raising it. Uh, that is an important point. Um, with regard to, uh, the CNMI issue and the VISA waiver program, although I, I do believe we gotta, uh, get rid of that particular policy, I am very sympathetic to the, uh, concerns you expressed which are legitimate about maintaining your tourism industry. And I'd be happy to work with you and your governor, um, uh, to - to help think of other creative ways that we could do that without creating the same national security concerns that we face as a result of this. Uh, and then, Governor Bryant, I was hoping to follow up with you, uh, with an additional question, but I'm out of time and I'm gonna have to run quickly for a vote. And for that I apologize. Normally I'd like to stay afterwards and visit briefly w- with the witnesses, but I've gotta run very fast to get to this vote so I don't lose, but the the issue I wanted to flag, and that I may ask you about in a follow-up question in writing, relates to a a uh a gun uh uh a gun control measure passed by your legislature on D- on June twelfth. Uh, i- as I look at that, it appears to present serious questions as to whether it can withstand scrutiny under the second amendment, particularly in light of the Supreme Court's analysis in Heller, uh, a- and, uh, also in connection with the, uh, the Broome case and the - the test established in that case with respect to constitutional carry uh so I - I hope you'll take a look at that and consider a veto uh if as I suspect you'll - you - you will conclude after - after you've done the analysis these questions are significant. Um, with - with that we're gonna, uh, have to conclude the hearing. Any senator who wishes to submit additional questions for the record may do so. The deadline for submitting such questions for the record, um, i- is at six p m on Thursday, June eighteenth. Uh, senators will also have until six p m next Wednesday, June twenty fourth, to add statements, uh, for the record of today's hearing. So, thanks again to each of my colleagues for being here, uh, uh, for their participation in the business meeting earlier, uh, for helping to get that passed out of committee, and, um, And I a again I thank the governors and uh representatives for their important testimony before this committee. Um, and as I sprint to the floor, the committee stands adjourned.

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